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10 hours ago, Landsnark said:

Joe is in an insanely bad mood.  Eugene Robinson was brought on to represent his opinions, and Joe IS NOT HAVING IT.   Gene won't give an inch to Trump and Joe is angry.   It's all about Joe, folks.  All of this.  The election.  Both candidates.  All media coverage.  Every talking point.  It all has to do with Joe.  It pivots around Joe.  Just ask him.

Well I'll be...  Barnicle makes a good point about how Trump could begin to appeal to minorities.

Seriously, Joe was such an asshole today. He would not accept that there is nothing Trump can do to "pivot" his way to a win. No one is going to believe his change of heart. Even Nicole Wallace was like, it's done. 

And Joe keeps thinking the problem with the GOP is the packaging or the candidate and not the actual policy positions. It's bullshit denial on their part.

That said, I am glad they called out Hillary's BS blaming of Colin Powell for her email mess.

And I am not going to lie, I am loving this Twitter fight between Joe and Donald. 

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2 hours ago, pivot said:

Seriously, Joe was such an asshole today. He would not accept that there is nothing Trump can do to "pivot" his way to a win. No one is going to believe his change of heart. Even Nicole Wallace was like, it's done. 

And Joe keeps thinking the problem with the GOP is the packaging or the candidate and not the actual policy positions. It's bullshit denial on their part.

That said, I am glad they called out Hillary's BS blaming of Colin Powell for her email mess.

And I am not going to lie, I am loving this Twitter fight between Joe and Donald. 

I agree with all of these. Why does Joe think you can be rude and disrespectful (let's not even say "racist") to whole groups of people (and continue stereotyping them as poor and uneducated even when you're trying to kiss up) for over a year, and then suddenly--based on your very glib pollster's advice--suddenly "remake" yourself into someone who's respectful and inclusive?  How is that even acceptable as an EFFORT? 

It's sad when they think there's some chance for Trump to pretend he's someone he's really not and still have time to fool us into believing him.

And ITA about Hillary and Powell. She continues to (1) have horrible instincts on this subject and (2) apparently also be getting terrible advice. Please stop making excuses, Hillary! Thanks!

And ITA about Joe and Donald. It's too funny.  If Trump becomes president, though, he'll be much too busy watching cable news shows and fighting Twitter wars with all of his critics to ever do any "president-stuff".  I hope someone asks him about it sometime, but since he's only appearing on FOX now, I guess that won't happen.

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14 hours ago, Landsnark said:

Joe is in an insanely bad mood.  Eugene Robinson was brought on to represent his opinions, and Joe IS NOT HAVING IT.   Gene won't give an inch to Trump and Joe is angry.   It's all about Joe, folks.  All of this.  The election.  Both candidates.  All media coverage.  Every talking point.  It all has to do with Joe.  It pivots around Joe.  Just ask him.

Well I'll be...  Barnicle makes a good point about how Trump could begin to appeal to minorities.

I think Joe found about Trump's tweet before 7:30 am. Mika started the fight with Trump by saying that he sounded drunk when giving his speech in Fredricksburg. Mika knows that Trump never touches alcohol & that his brother Fred died from alcoholism. That was a very cheap shot by Mika.

 

Trump retaliates by attacking Mika on twitter & then threatens to expose Mika & Joe's relationship. That is a low blow by Trump. Joe ends up by responding to Trump by bragging about his ratings & telling Trump to focus on swing states & stop gawker type accusations. Joe was careful not to deny being in a romantic relationship with Mika.

Joe looks like a fool by starting to make positive comments about Trump now, while Mika is being insulted.

 

To be fair, Trump said that Mika & Joe are both clowns, but he was harsher on Mika calling her erratic & insecure about being Joe's girlfriend.

What a mess!. I suspect Joe will come out attacking Trump tomorrow at 6 am. Mika may be "off"tomorrrow. I am sure her kids aren't happy about Trump attacking their mom.

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13 hours ago, teddysmom said:

Trump thinks he has something on Joe, exposing "the worst kept secret at MSNBC"? 

How would Mika & Joe deal with being outed by Trump? Trump probably has proof that they stayed together at Mar A Largo ( Trump's resort in Palm Beach)

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4 hours ago, pivot said:

Seriously, Joe was such an asshole today. He would not accept that there is nothing Trump can do to "pivot" his way to a win. No one is going to believe his change of heart. Even Nicole Wallace was like, it's done. 

And Joe keeps thinking the problem with the GOP is the packaging or the candidate and not the actual policy positions. It's bullshit denial on their part.

That said, I am glad they called out Hillary's BS blaming of Colin Powell for her email mess.

And I am not going to lie, I am loving this Twitter fight between Joe and Donald. 

During the most recent GOP primary, I think that Rand Paul was trying to do out some outreach with the African American community.

I am trying to recall which GOP President had the highest voter support among African Americans since the Civil Right Act ? Nixon 72? Reagan 80?

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3 hours ago, oakville said:

To be fair, Trump said that Mika & Joe are both clowns, but he was harsher on Mika calling her erratic & insecure about being Joe's girlfriend.

 

I guess he could have meant that by tweeting "his very insecure  long-time girl-friend..." although I thought he meant she was an insecure person. The main insult, of course, was to include "long-time" in it, knowing Mika only divorced in June. That's pretty vindictive. As president, Trump might outdo Johnson in getting dirt on people from the FBI and using it against them. Or an "enemy's list " like Nixon. He's already well on his way with his "banned press" list.   My space bar isn't working, but W had 40% of the Latino vote, per LOD tonight. That's probably more than rReagan.                                                                                                                                                                        

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Tuesday recap. Mika is wearing her navy blue sleeveless dress. Joe in a navy blue sweater. Mika did not want address yesterdays tweets. Donnie wanted to talk about them. Joe bragged that he gained twitter followers.

 

The big topics were Hillary's emails from the Clinton Foundation. Joe said it was expensive to get access to Hillary & cost up to $32M. It's unclear whether US policy was changed . Mika said Hillary & Bill should have stepped down from the foundation when she was SOS.

Joe said Bill will step down if Hillary is elected. The donors only have 3 months left to mae donations to the Clinton foundation.

Eddie Glaude didn't believe Trump's outreach to African American voters. Joe said African Americans should have access to charter schools & improved living conditions. Eddie said it was difficult to discuss public policy towards AA by Democratic party leaders. Eddie said the GOP should discuss if their policies are helping poor whites in Western Pennsylvania.

Joe said that Trump should meet with the official representatives of the AA community like NAACP. He could get booed but at least he would speak to them.

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Heilemann was back on the set. He wondered if any of Hillary's missing emails had to do with the Clinton Foundation. It would be bad news for Hillary if those emails were released. Heileman said that Hillary may have classified them as personal. Heileman was wearing one of Donny Deutshe's jackets.

Mika was laughing at the urology exams.

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11 hours ago, oakville said:

I think Joe found about Trump's tweet before 7:30 am. Mika started the fight with Trump by saying that he sounded drunk when giving his speech in Fredricksburg. Mika knows that Trump never touches alcohol & that his brother Fred died from alcoholism. That was a very cheap shot by Mika.

Honestly?  I think Me-eka was spot on, and it wasn't a cheap shot at all...  I challenge you to go listen to that speech from Friday night and come away with a different impression.  His speech was slurred, he was yelling and shouting and sounded drunk,  elsewhere on the intertoobz I made the same observation.

I agree that the nastiest part of tRump's tweet was the long-time part.  He didn't out Joe and Me-eka - that's been in the ether for sure since Me-eka's divorce became public.  His characterization of Me-eka is just more of his in your face misogyny.

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After seeing Professor Eddie this morning, I think Hillary should run around every predominately black community in the country with Reverend Al, Jesse Jackson, the mothers who spoke at the democratic convention (like Treyvon Martin's).

James Carville couldn't talk this morning.  I think he would be more effective if he would disqualify Trump and his supporters, by hammering away on Trump's taxes and shady business dealings which have to be as damaging to him as the republicans think Hillary's emails and the Clinton Foundation are to her.

Plus I want so badly to get Mary Matalin's point of view.  Must be fun at their house right about now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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James Carville couldn't talk this morning.  I think he would be more effective if he would disqualify Trump and his supporters, by hammering away on Trump's taxes and shady business dealings which have to be as damaging to him as the republicans think Hillary's emails and the Clinton Foundation are to her.

Every time this clown comes on a show I just drown him out - he has been dining out on that 1992 victory for 24 years now, and hasn't done anything relevant since. He and his wife had that shtick going on that Tim Russert took such delight in and booked on MTP seemingly every week. He is like a wind-up doll.

Even Cackles leaves the reservation every once and a while.

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6 hours ago, stormy said:

After seeing Professor Eddie this morning, I think Hillary should run around every predominately black community in the country with Reverend Al, Jesse Jackson, the mothers who spoke at the democratic convention (like Treyvon Martin's).

James Carville couldn't talk this morning.  I think he would be more effective if he would disqualify Trump and his supporters, by hammering away on Trump's taxes and shady business dealings which have to be as damaging to him as the republicans think Hillary's emails and the Clinton Foundation are to her.

Plus I want so badly to get Mary Matalin's point of view.  Must be fun at their house right about now.

 

 

Well you can always just re-enact it.  Stand in front of a full length mirror.  Drink a gallon of white vinegar and then eat several tins of pickled oysters.  Followed by as many pigs feet in brine and then a whole jar of pickled eggs.  Wait for anywhere from a second to however long it take until you puke up your guts in a foul disgusting mess of half eaten food slathered in a coating of human bile.

Viola.  Mary Matalin.  Heinous cretin who sells herself and her ideology to whatever conservative beckons.  Her husband rarely is much better. 

 

And if you are a true masochist, do this every  day and you can pretend the entire Pat Buchanan family came for a stay.

 

Is it just me, or is Scarborough's ego so stroked that he cannot truly fathom he is in a social media slap fight with the Republican Candidate for President of the United States?  And not a Dynasty one either.  But one that is so pathetic it races past being funny and you just feel almost lessened by the smallness of those failing and never once making actual contact? 

Eugene Robinson needs to go a bit more Jonathan Capehart on Scarborough's ass.  Jonathan did a nice snap awhile back when Scaroborough and Barnicle tried to tell him how wrong he was when he explained his stance on where the Black Church core of many communities pushed against Gay Civil Rights.  Because what would an intelligent and eloquent young Black Gay man know about that compared to two intellectually dangling scrotums like Scarborough and Barnicle?

 

And since Scarborough seems to have a long history of loving to cheat on whichever woman he is, I wonder if the real secret is just when he and Mika were becoming public, Scarborough had already lined up another cheat like he did with the woman he cheated on his first wife with, and his second fiance and his second wife and the woman he apparently had in between?   True, the Spoiled Yam with that Moldy top is so out of touch he might think the Scarborough Mika workfest is not public knowledge.  But I'm wondering if there is more.

I'm hoping there is more.

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I like Carville.  He's nuts.

Just gonna stick a pin in this and leave it here...
Know what are two great tastes that taste great together?  Alex Wagner and John Heilemann.   They are both fun, funny, and smart.  She is maybe the cutest person on TV and irrepressibly lovable.   Together they be a stripe too light for a heavy hitting policy show, but... just think about it. 

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8 hours ago, NextIteration said:

Honestly?  I think Me-eka was spot on, and it wasn't a cheap shot at all...  I challenge you to go listen to that speech from Friday night and come away with a different impression.  His speech was slurred, he was yelling and shouting and sounded drunk,  elsewhere on the intertoobz I made the same observation.

I agree that the nastiest part of tRump's tweet was the long-time part.  He didn't out Joe and Me-eka - that's been in the ether for sure since Me-eka's divorce became public.  His characterization of Me-eka is just more of his in your face misogyny.

He may have been slurring his words, but to accuse a guy of being drunk when she knows that he doesn't drink is a cheap shot.

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3 hours ago, tenativelyyours said:

 

Well you can always just re-enact it.  Stand in front of a full length mirror.  Drink a gallon of white vinegar and then eat several tins of pickled oysters.  Followed by as many pigs feet in brine and then a whole jar of pickled eggs.  Wait for anywhere from a second to however long it take until you puke up your guts in a foul disgusting mess of half eaten food slathered in a coating of human bile.

Viola.  Mary Matalin.  Heinous cretin who sells herself and her ideology to whatever conservative beckons.  Her husband rarely is much better. 

 

And if you are a true masochist, do this every  day and you can pretend the entire Pat Buchanan family came for a stay.

 

Is it just me, or is Scarborough's ego so stroked that he cannot truly fathom he is in a social media slap fight with the Republican Candidate for President of the United States?  And not a Dynasty one either.  But one that is so pathetic it races past being funny and you just feel almost lessened by the smallness of those failing and never once making actual contact? 

Eugene Robinson needs to go a bit more Jonathan Capehart on Scarborough's ass.  Jonathan did a nice snap awhile back when Scaroborough and Barnicle tried to tell him how wrong he was when he explained his stance on where the Black Church core of many communities pushed against Gay Civil Rights.  Because what would an intelligent and eloquent young Black Gay man know about that compared to two intellectually dangling scrotums like Scarborough and Barnicle?

 

And since Scarborough seems to have a long history of loving to cheat on whichever woman he is, I wonder if the real secret is just when he and Mika were becoming public, Scarborough had already lined up another cheat like he did with the woman he cheated on his first wife with, and his second fiance and his second wife and the woman he apparently had in between?   True, the Spoiled Yam with that Moldy top is so out of touch he might think the Scarborough Mika workfest is not public knowledge.  But I'm wondering if there is more.

I'm hoping there is more.

Please put a warning on your posts when you describe the GOP nominee as a "Spoiled Yam with a Moldy Top" :) I nearly spilled my wine laughing. I think the Mika-Joe saga is distracting from the show. Why aren't they publicly admitting to their relationship? They aren't doing a good job of denying it. Joe became a grandfather yesterday. One of his sons that recently got married just had a child.

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Catching up with today's show. Donnie & Joe believe that Trump wants to start a PPV TV network after the election to compete with Fox. It will be called Trump TV & feature Ann Coulter. Apparently, Trump's goal is to create a TV network of supporters to compete with Fox News. Roger Ailes would help run it. Joe said it would be very profitable if Trump got 40 million votes.

 

I recall a few years ago that Joe was furious that Glenn Beck left Fox to start his own network & made millions. I suspect Joe wanted to do the same thing but no one would fund the iniative. Is Joe's plan to be the new Carville & Matalin?

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7 hours ago, oakville said:

He may have been slurring his words, but to accuse a guy of being drunk when she knows that he doesn't drink is a cheap shot.

She was wrong.  He's into the nose candy .

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5 hours ago, ariel said:

She was wrong.  He's into the nose candy .

I heard at least one talking head on MSNBC reporting that after one Trump speech his delivery was so slow and draggy that #xanaxTrump was created. I think it was last Friday? 

They played part of the speech and he was draggy and close to slurry.

But I doubt MJ would dare to cast such aspersions.

Yesterday it looked like Mika forgot to button her blouse.

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Willie seems much more present and engaged. At least there's that. Maybe he was distracted by his notes for the bullshit hour he had to spend with Al. I have no doubt they canned him, but at least he's back here and awake. After he got that Today job he went super politically correct, take all sides, be a serious journalist. I don't want that from him.

Cannot see Ben Carson without seeing the SNL parody. Someone slap that man awake. 

Always awkward when Joe or Mika are gone. All I can think about now is that they know where the other is - and maybe woke up together. Can't put the worms back in the can. 

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What was with the AP reporter? He was mumbling and stumbling so much I had to turn it off.

Is only CNN going to cover Trump's crazy medical "letter"?  There is so much to investigate with shady, sleazy Trump, (taxes, business dealings, who he's borrowed money from, how much he owes and to whom). 

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17 hours ago, Landsnark said:

Know what are two great tastes that taste great together?  Alex Wagner and John Heilemann.

I agree completely! I've been rushing home to watch them together on WADR in the evenings.

Re: Carville, he amuses me too, but he always makes a point that others seem to miss. i.e. the Clinton FOUNDATION actually does shit. Unlike Trump steaks, or Trump wine, this isn't just a vanity project. That said, the Clintons need to step away until (please God) 2024.

Re: Matalin, she has "left" the Republican party due to Trump (though she will say it is the direction that the party is headed). Wonder if that's permanent.

Re: Donnie Deutsch, our overgrown frat boy has matured. He handles Joe's ridicule quite well. I wanted to punch Joe on Donnie's behalf, yesterday.

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Willie does seem different.  At least he did today.  I noticed it and my wife even commented on it as well.
It's time for him to find another gear, and start making things happen for himself.  There are only so many hours of programming in a day and talent aren't just given shows, so now is the time for him to find his voice and earn a spot somewhere at NBC.

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I heard he was being groomed for Today, that NBC doesn't want to keep paying Lauer's insane salary. 

I remember when he & Savannah would guest host MJ and it was so good. They had good interviews, they joked with each other like normal coworkers or friends, instead of whatever the f is going on with Joe & Mika.    

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The Today Show announced that Willie would be leaving that hour he was on and that the ultimate toolbag Billy Bush was taking his place. I have no idea whether Willie left on his own volition. If not it must suck to be replaced by that loser. 

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7 hours ago, stormy said:

What was with the AP reporter? He was mumbling and stumbling so much I had to turn it off.

Is only CNN going to cover Trump's crazy medical "letter"?  There is so much to investigate with shady, sleazy Trump, (taxes, business dealings, who he's borrowed money from, how much he owes and to whom). 

His IFB was all kinds of messed up and there was background feedback to the show - you could here a whole other conversation going on.

Rachel covered the crazy tRump doctor last week - the membership to the AGC aspect anyways.  She didn't call the hospital about being on staff or having privileges though.

eta: Willie does the weekend Today Show.

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This morning Mika mocked the press that said she and Joe never questioned Trump on his "positions".  She did, but, she let it slide and never went back there again.

The only one on MSNBC that dogged him was Chris Matthews on Trump's abortion answer and his dropping atomic bombs on Western Europe.

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Well,well.   Vanity Fair takes  Joe and Mika and rumors (and Donald Trump's tweets about MJ) and bundles it all up into a pretty much "Rumor Confirmed" article (under the pretext of being about Mika watching Joe and the band), seemingly with their tacit consent. http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/joe-scarborough-morning-joe-music-band.

They seem to be doing everything they can to confirm the rumors, without actually confirming the rumors. 

I laughed at the part where Joe said he wrote a song called "Let's Fall In Love" a year ago, but he can't remember who he wrote it about. Yeah, right!

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7 minutes ago, Landsnark said:

I wonder why Joe and Mika haven't been on the show at the same time this week.  Did Trump's tweets effect them?  Seems silly.

They were both on together today for the first hour or so, then Joe disappeared. 

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3 hours ago, cased said:

I laughed at the part where Joe said he wrote a song called "Let's Fall In Love" a year ago, but he can't remember who he wrote it about. Yeah, right!

I think Cole Porter beat him to it.

But "I can't remember"? What a lame excuse!

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19 hours ago, Landsnark said:

I wonder why Joe and Mika haven't been on the show at the same time this week.  Did Trump's tweets effect them?  Seems silly.

I would suspect part of it is the time of year.  The last two weeks of August are always a mix-and-match on most network and cable news, as hosts take long-planned end-of-summer vacations.  Also. doesn't Mika have teen daughters?  Could be part of getting the kids set up for fall semester, plus maybe some quality time with kids in the waning moments of summer, post-divorce.

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Maybe I'm in the minority here, but Mika is doing a credible job this morning -  so far, anyway.  She's so much more forceful and engaged when Joe isn't on set.  When he's around, all she does is giggle and make 'reaction faces' more suited to a sit-com.  To quote the tRump:  "Maybe she isn't allowed to say anything".   ~~~    They're interviewing Hillary next hour, so let's see how that turns out.  Is Joe in some undisclosed location prepping for that verbal throw down?  I can't imagine that he'd go missing for that golden opportunity.  Or was it pre-taped earlier and he's off licking his wounds?  

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Friday Recap. It's bash Trump day on Morning Mika. Joe is off the show. but Mika said he would show up for the Clinton interview. Mika & the panelists are badgering an African American Minister. They are very rude to him. The guy isn't ready for a cable tv gang up. Mika was practically crying over Trump's comments in the first half hour. I suppose Mika is still upset about Trump calling her erratic.  Al Sharpton is upset that Trump is complaining about crime in the inner cities. Sharpton said Trump didn't do much for diversity in his company. They showed a clip of the Trump ad when Hillary attacked Obama. Mika should calm down. Hopefully, Joe will sing her some songs after the show!. That Vanity Fair article was hilarious.

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I don't need Mika to be the serious voice of the show.  She shouldn't shoehorn-in her personal emotions while speaking to the camera.  It's too forced and unnatural.  (But, at least she is speaking her mind.  Maybe I'm too hard on her??)

The Rev was good this morning.  He can be thoughtful and articulate at times.  Other times, notsomuch.
Barnicle should shave every morning.  Stubble makes him look seriously old - in a bad way.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Katrina Pierson is fucking CRAZY.  I marvel at her delusion.  I am enthusiastically interested in meeting her in her civilian life down-time (far from sharp objects, but near to vodka) to just listen to her for an hour or two.  My God, that would be entertaining.
I'm interested to observe the small talk between Clinton and Mika.  I wonder if Mrs Clinton knows who Mika is.
Mika is in a different dress for the Clinton interview, and her hair seems a little more done.

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Katrina Pierson is fucking CRAZY.

I think she is just staggeringly, colossally, criminally STUPID. That's how she can give those interviews with a straight face. I loved it when Rev Al said, "'Yes' and 'No' are different words too...and they mean the OPPOSITE of each other!"

It's nice to see Mika railing against Trump but it's just too late. She helped make this monster and she cannot un-own that.

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One of the more annoying trends that has emerged in this campaign is allowing candidates to call into shows. Trump started it and I wish more shows followed Chris Wallace's practice to not put up with that crap.

I wonder if that call was taped at another time, given the weirdness with Joe not being there and nobody else on the panel (other than Mika) being allowed to ask a question. 

I did love Joe mentioning that Hillary went to horrible racist Trump's wedding (I guess he wasn't such a horrible racist then?), but it didn't go anywhere (that's why these phone-ins suck). Also interesting how Hillary professed her admiration for George W. Bush.

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