S06.E06: Hamptons, 90210

[potato]

Bella has absolutely had a nose job and upper lip injections. She is gorgeous, and started from a great place, but has definitely had tweaks. http://beautyeditor.ca/2015/10/09/bella-hadid-before-and-after

Nose job for sure, but I'm not convinced of the lip injections. You really can't compare smiling pictures to non smiling ones...I speak from experience. 

 

Anyway, I'd be the last to recommend a teenager have plastic surgery, but Bella really is super beautiful now, so...

[jkitty]

Nose job for sure, but I'm not convinced of the lip injections. You really can't compare smiling pictures to non smiling ones...I speak from experience.

Anyway, I'd be the last to recommend a teenager have plastic surgery, but Bella really is super beautiful now, so...

I think the lip injection is harder to tell but I am still pretty convinced she has it. Her upper lip here has a hint of that duck look (just a tiny hint) when she smiles. https://instagram.com/p/-2Mh03kNks/

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/475557208-bella-hadid-attends-the-2015-cfda-fashion-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QQFCmELPoGAB6CHgl0vKD7WAPGi2kStGoddqosB1x4K%2BUuKj639CzKh7%2FWl%2Fx8CRsw%3D%3D

In fairness, pretty much all celebrities have tweaked their faces so it's not like she is anomaly. People are totally entitled to do as they wish with their bodies, IMO. It's just sort of disturbing how your she must have been when she had these things done.

Edited January 10, 2016 by jkitty

[zoeysmom]

Oh yeah...most definitely depression....depression can be a very common reason for drinking.....I did and still do suffer from depression, and boy there are so many times I wish I could pick up a bottle and be "free" for a little while.....but I just might not stop. Kim is definitely a very sad woman, imo....I can see it in her eyes, and I used to feel so awful for her.....and I guess I still do.....but she could stop. When you say you "could be projecting" are you depessed? I certainly don't want to pry, but it is easier to empathize with someone also depressed.

Kim had a childhood that was not always in her control, but rather controlled by her mother and studios. I just don't think though she will ever get it together.....she has so very much to live for too, but continues on a path of destruction. She is definitely very ill.

Kim was well behaved, for the most part, during her acting days.  I am not sure if she felt like she was being controlled but realistically all kids are controlled by varying degrees by their parents, school and extra curricular activities.  Not to be unkind to Monty but Kim's troubles seemed to start with Mr. Bon Vivant and his lifestyle.  She pretty much stopped working between Monty and Gregg.   After years of rehab and counseling it seems the problem doesn't lie in her childhood acting career but choices she made later on.  It can't be healthy to move on from one, two, three relationships over a period of six years and three children.  So perhaps her issues were more of a mental health issues that she later decided to self medicate with alcohol and drugs.  There is obviously something amiss in this family if it took Kyle two years to figure out she was suffering from depression.  Kyle seemed pretty firm in her statement it wasn't the childhood acting days that were the cause of Kim's chemical dependence.  Something tells me that is something that has been conveyed to Kyle not something she came up with on her own.

 

Coupled with her son's mental illness I think the bigger issue is just now being addressed.  Kim seemed to have no problem getting a doc to write prescriptions for anti-anxiety medication.  She seemed to be taking several when she went to see Dr. Paul. It just may have reached a point where she has to face the fact her issues are deeper than imagined.  My read on her is she is kicking and screaming to stay out of the realm of being labeled mentally ill. 

[DebbieM4]

I don't believe addiction is a disease....I think Kim could kick it if she REALLY

wanted too....she just simply doesn't want to. She has been an alcoholic and drug addict for so long, she wouldn't know how to live her life sober. I have some experience with alcoholism as I have been a recovering alcoholic for many years....I have been sober for a good while, but I must be hypervigilent to the temptation. I just don't think Kim has enough emotional strength to fight her demons. Imo, she needs long-term treatment in a really tough treatment program. Quite frankly, I think we'll read about her death in the next few years. Her body has sustained a lot of damage by now, one would think..damage that could effect her heart and brain. Recovery is not easy.

I think the problem with Kim is that she never really has acknowledged that she has a problem. And she's always full of excuses. Getting well would require admitting (really admitting, not just half-heartedly) that she needs help, and then being committed to getting that help and doing whatever is needed to accomplish her goal of getting well. She has never seemed anywhere near admitting that she really has a problem, and I honestly don't think her goal is getting well. She seems to be very stuck on proving to people that they can't tell her what to do. I don't know what has to happen before she finally realizes how serious her situation is, but apparently nothing that has gone on so far has been enough to serve as the wake-up call she so desperately needs. And that's a truly awful thing, because she's not just a danger to herself but also to others. We're never going to see anything change unless she herself decides that she has a problem. And I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see that happening.

Edited January 10, 2016 by DebbieM4

[ivygirl]

Finally got to watch this week's episode. Huzzah!

Minor random musings:

* I was saying to myself, "Wow, I really don't mind Erika." THEN she busted out her phone and talked *on speaker* *in the restaurant.* I know that was all for the teevee, but MAN that bugs me! I was just in a restaurant (enjoying some LVP Sangria, incidentally), and someone did that there, too. Seriously, why does the whole room need to hear your conversation?

* The argument between Eileen and Vince didn't really seem that serious, to me at least. Did they both seem annoyed with one another? Sure. But the harbinger of the end of the marriage? Not to me. Not yet.

* I don't blame the ladies for leaving the Capri, but I do think that they should, at minimum, have stayed until Lisa V arrived. If someone needed to check out the house, Kyle could've done so on her own.

* UGH. UGH. UGH. Bethenny. I wasn't thrilled that she came back to RHONY (I've never understood her appeal), and I am not happy that she's on RHOBH next week. I would've been happier if she was there to have a chat with Brandi, but no such luck.

[LIMOM]

Oh yeah...most definitely depression....depression can be a very common reason for drinking.....I did and still do suffer from depression, and boy there are so many times I wish I could pick up a bottle and be "free" for a little while.....but I just might not stop. Kim is definitely a very sad woman, imo....I can see it in her eyes, and I used to feel so awful for her.....and I guess I still do.....but she could stop. When you say you "could be projecting" are you depessed? I certainly don't want to pry, but it is easier to empathize with someone also depressed.

Kim had a childhood that was not always in her control, but rather controlled by her mother and studios. I just don't think though she will ever get it together.....she has so very much to live for too, but continues on a path of destruction. She is definitely very ill.

Both depression and alcoholism runs in my family which is why I wrote that I was projecting.

And yes, I had bout of depression from time to time.

Edited January 10, 2016 by LIMOM

[AsanteSana]

First off I have to say I really love reading all these posts and find so many to be thoughtful and spot on!

I work with menopausal women- Yolanda, given her age, is obviously in menopause. We saw her using transdermal hormone therapy a couple seasons ago- totally legit and can work like a charm. Anecdotally I have seen that many psych issues we struggle with during our teens- 40's creep back tenfold with menopause. If you are someone who struggles with an anxious nature as part of your personality, for example, you may have a strong resurgence of anxiety with menopause (same with depression etc) Also completely legit: a lab order for lyme titer. It comes back + or - There is no subjectivity about the result at that stage- A negative lyme titer has a high specificity/sensitivity- i.e. it's not likely to be a false negative. A med professional is either comfortable treating the lyme at that stage (if titer +) with antibiotics (likely if you are ordering the bloodwork then you are comfortable treating it) or the patient is sent to an infectious disease specialist. There are some rogue doctors who have questionable - meaning no rigorous double blind research studies etc- techniques for treating lyme- super long term antibiotics. We don't know if it "works" or not- it's up to the patient to stay in the conservative medical system and receive standard treatment or go elsewhere on a wing and a prayer.

All this to say... I do believe Yo has been diagnosed with Lyme as borne out by serum lab results. But she's also menopausal (which can cause tremendous brain fog too) and going through a divorce-- I feel she picks and chooses when to use her Lyme as an excuse to behave a certain way as she knows no one can call her out on it without looking like an asshole. Refusing to take off wedding ring for her big implant removal surgery-- eye roll!

[panthergirl13]

I've mentioned this before because I have a friend with Lyme among other things and I can't pin her down on the testing she's done nor the doctors she's seen. She does go to a holistic practitioner who has a bunch of letters behind her name. Its why I'm extra uncomfortable with Yo and in particular her soap box standing as a representative of chronic disease.

Yes, to both you and Umbelina. I was diagnosed with Lyme in 2009 and while the jury is now out as to whether I actually had Lyme (I have Early Onset Parkinson's, as it turns out, and my Movement Disorder Specialist at Columbia Presbyterian believes I was exhibiting early symptoms of PD..not being able to raise my arms....and that when 3 courses of oral abx didn't work, someone should have looked at other possible diagnoses). But the point is that I eventually went to a "reknowned Lyme Specialist" whom I barely saw at my weekly visits, and he put me on IV abx which nearly killed me. No joke. I ended up in the hospital for a month with gall bladder disease, pancreatitis (I had two babies with no drugs and that was a cakewalk by comparison) and sepsis. Almost. Dead. And on short-term disability for six months, thanks to the cure...not the disease.

Every time I see what Yo looks like now I just think she is doing herself so much harm. It's also not very "Dutch" to overtreat illness. I live in Holland now and you practically have to get on your knees and beg for an antibiotic here.

[WireWrap]

First off I have to say I really love reading all these posts and find so many to be thoughtful and spot on!

I work with menopausal women- Yolanda, given her age, is obviously in menopause. We saw her using transdermal hormone therapy a couple seasons ago- totally legit and can work like a charm. Anecdotally I have seen that many psych issues we struggle with during our teens- 40's creep back tenfold with menopause. If you are someone who struggles with an anxious nature as part of your personality, for example, you may have a strong resurgence of anxiety with menopause (same with depression etc) Also completely legit: a lab order for lyme titer. It comes back + or - There is no subjectivity about the result at that stage- A negative lyme titer has a high specificity/sensitivity- i.e. it's not likely to be a false negative. A med professional is either comfortable treating the lyme at that stage (if titer +) with antibiotics (likely if you are ordering the bloodwork then you are comfortable treating it) or the patient is sent to an infectious disease specialist. There are some rogue doctors who have questionable - meaning no rigorous double blind research studies etc- techniques for treating lyme- super long term antibiotics. We don't know if it "works" or not- it's up to the patient to stay in the conservative medical system and receive standard treatment or go elsewhere on a wing and a prayer.

All this to say... I do believe Yo has been diagnosed with Lyme as borne out by serum lab results. But she's also menopausal (which can cause tremendous brain fog too) and going through a divorce-- I feel she picks and chooses when to use her Lyme as an excuse to behave a certain way as she knows no one can call her out on it without looking like an asshole. Refusing to take off wedding ring for her big implant removal surgery-- eye roll!

In an interview she, Yolanda, gave, http://www.lyme-disease-research-database.com/lyme_disease_blog_files/yolanda-foster-speaks-about-lyme.html , she says that standard blood tests came back NEGATIVE for LD SEVERAL TIMES. After a 2 week stay in Cedars-Sinai Hospital where again no LD was diagnosed, she went to a Dr in Belgium who specializes in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and he diagnosed her LD. The Belgium Dr is suspect/questionable according to an article I posted a link to several pages back. Does she have or did she have LD? I don't know but at this point her rapid recovery after all/most of the leaked silicone was removed suggests that it may not have been LD. JMO

[FanOfTheFans]

I think Kim is very sick and no doubt suffers on a daily basis. But I also have sympathy for those caught up in her addiction. She has some culpability to these people. I don't know that I subscribe to the notion that she should never be held accountable for her actions because she has a disease. In fact, part of her getting well depends on her acknowledging this. With her it is complicated because she has put her stuff out there. Does that mean she should be drug through the mud publicly? I think much of people's desire to see that happen is more to do with frustration with her rather than to actually see her suffer.

Edited for punctuation

Edited January 10, 2016 by FanOfTheFans

[LIMOM]

Someone in the comments on Reddit suggested that the story line was made, in an effort to promote Yoyo into a wellness/lifestyle/health guru.

While it sounded farfetched at first, it could make sense.

She already tried the Martha Stewart route and failed, she could go for the Suzanne Sommers one.(which is also a big time fraud IMO and a friend of Foster)

[KFC]

* UGH. UGH. UGH. Bethenny. I wasn't thrilled that she came back to RHONY (I've never understood her appeal), and I am not happy that she's on RHOBH next week. I would've been happier if she was there to have a chat with Brandi, but no such luck.

I would have been quite thrilled with a LVP vs. Bethenny verbal showdown. Never gonna happen, but I'd love to see the two queen bees go at it. Both are in need of a comeuppance.

[AuntiePam]

I wonder what would happen with Kim if the pressure was off, if her family just let her be, if she didn't feel like she had to hide her drinking or totally stop. Would she be content with a few glasses of wine at dinner, or getting drunk at a party like so many people do? Or would she non-stop binge and end up dead in a bathtub?

Getting sober is causing her so much anxiety, it's like a catch-22. The pressure to stop drinking makes her want to drink. She feels like a failure because she can't stop. The world is judging her. I'd probably drink too.

[Showthyme]

Refusing to take off wedding ring for her big implant removal surgery-- eye roll!

It comes off as suspect to me when people try too hard to prove their love or loyalty in a marriage. Heidi and Seal annually renewing their vows comes to mind. Never leaving your spouse for an overnight trip. Refusing to take off a wedding ring when it is commonly done. There is no reason except to prove something.

[talula]

It comes off as suspect to me when people try too hard to prove their love or loyalty in a marriage. Heidi and Seal annually renewing their vows comes to mind. Never leaving your spouse for an overnight trip. Refusing to take off a wedding ring when it is commonly done. There is no reason except to prove something.

Lol, Yolanda may have worried that if she gave David the ring to hold while going under the knife she may never get it back from him. I have seen where the nurses cover the ring in tape around your finger so it doesn't fall off during surgery.

[kokapetl]

I wonder what would happen with Kim if the pressure was off, if her family just let her be, if she didn't feel like she had to hide her drinking or totally stop. Would she be content with a few glasses of wine at dinner, or getting drunk at a party like so many people do? Or would she non-stop binge and end up dead in a bathtub?

Getting sober is causing her so much anxiety, it's like a catch-22. The pressure to stop drinking makes her want to drink. She feels like a failure because she can't stop. The world is judging her. I'd probably drink too.

Kim became incredibly nasty when she became sober, and was obviously not happy being sober. Was that bitter reward worth all the trouble? Edited January 10, 2016 by Kokapetl

[JayEeeBee]

Rewatching this episode again and, for all the sniping and gossiping, the one thing that stood out? My darling Eileen Davidson coming down the stairs like Mr. Ed when Renna showed up. Why is it that Ashley Abbott can descend stairs as if she were floating on clouds but, in that scene, Eileen looked as if she was headed for the trough?

Edited January 10, 2016 by JayEeeBee

[AuntiePam]

Kim became incredibly nasty when she became sober, and was obviously not happy being sober. Was that bitter reward worth all the trouble?

Yep. "Bitter" is the key word, I think. Everyone around her can drink as much as they want, be silly and/or obnoxious, so Kim feels put upon, resentful, and deprived. Once a drinker gets that mindset, there's not much hope.

[ryebread]

Rewatching this episode again and, for all the sniping and gossiping, the one thing that stood out? My darling Eileen Davidson coming down the stairs like Mr. Ed when Renna showed up. Why is it that Ashley Abbott can descend stairs as if she were floating on clouds but, in that scene, Eileen looked as if she was headed for the trough?

 

I had to back that scene up. LOL. It actually looks like she was coming down the steps too fast and her heels were too high.  Maybe she was on the verge of losing balance. She practically heaved herself into the landing rail.

[Miss February]

I think the problem with Kim is that she never really has acknowledged that she has a problem. And she's always full of excuses. Getting well would require admitting (really admitting, not just half-heartedly) that she needs help, and then being committed to getting that help and doing whatever is needed to accomplish her goal of getting well. She has never seemed anywhere near admitting that she really has a problem, and I honestly don't think her goal is getting well. She seems to be very stuck on proving to people that they can't tell her what to do. I don't know what has to happen before she finally realizes how serious her situation is, but apparently nothing that has gone on so far has been enough to serve as the wake-up call she so desperately needs. And that's a truly awful thing, because she's not just a danger to herself but also to others. We're never going to see anything change unless she herself decides that she has a problem. And I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see that happening.

 

I agree.  Kim's defensiveness and tendency to blame-shift, along with gravitating toward people who see her as a victim, e.g., Brandi, Adrienne and probably her sister Kathy, do not bode well for her ever quitting alcohol and drugs.  I'm sure this is all sad for her loved ones, and her arrogance is probably very frustrating for them as well.

Edited January 11, 2016 by Miss February

[breezy424]

In an interview she, Yolanda, gave, http://www.lyme-disease-research-database.com/lyme_disease_blog_files/yolanda-foster-speaks-about-lyme.html , she says that standard blood tests came back NEGATIVE for LD SEVERAL TIMES. After a 2 week stay in Cedars-Sinai Hospital where again no LD was diagnosed, she went to a Dr in Belgium who specializes in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and he diagnosed her LD. The Belgium Dr is suspect/questionable according to an article I posted a link to several pages back. Does she have or did she have LD? I don't know but at this point her rapid recovery after all/most of the leaked silicone was removed suggests that it may not have been LD. JMO

 

I have to disagree with this a bit.  And Wire, you know how I feel about Yo and 'Lyme', and her constant contradictions.  In that article, she never says she was 'tested' for Lyme but rather her standard blood tests never showed an indication for Lyme.  However, I don't know what those 'indications' would be.

 

Now here's the interesting part,  I remember Yo saying that her Lyme spirochetes were discovered by the Belgium doctor from a tissue sample.  In this article she's saying that a test showed spirochetes in her brain.  I'm not a medical expert but that doesn't make sense...at all.  What brain tests are there that can 'see' spirochetes?  They can see white matter which can suspect MS.  And there is discussion that this white matter could be a result of Lyme but to my knowledge, they can't see 'spirochetes'.  Anyone - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[WireWrap]

I have to disagree with this a bit.  And Wire, you know how I feel about Yo and 'Lyme', and her constant contradictions.  In that article, she never says she was 'tested' for Lyme but rather her standard blood tests never showed an indication for Lyme.  However, I don't know what those 'indications' would be.

 

Now here's the interesting part,  I remember Yo saying that her Lyme spirochetes were discovered by the Belgium doctor from a tissue sample.  In this article she's saying that a test showed spirochetes in her brain.  I'm not a medical expert but that doesn't make sense...at all.  What brain tests are there that can 'see' spirochetes?  They can see white matter which can suspect MS.  And there is discussion that this white matter could be a result of Lyme but to my knowledge, they can't see 'spirochetes'.  Anyone - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

It is the way she worded it, that they didn't find LD in any blood test that makes me believe that she WAS tested for LD and the results were negative.

 

My Mom has MS and they look for "lesions" in the brain with an MRI but even then, about 5% of those with MS don't have visible lesions. It does appear that is some cases LD can be detected by an MRI much like MS.... http://www.ajnr.org/content/30/6/1079.full   They look for lesions/white matter.

Edited January 11, 2016 by WireWrap

[breezy424]

It is the way she worded it, that they didn't find LD in any blood test that makes me believe that she WAS tested for LD and the results were negative.

 

My Mom has MS and they look for "lesions" in the brain with an MRI but even then, about 5% of those with MS don't have visible lesions. It does appear that is some cases LD can be detected by an MRI much like MS.... http://www.ajnr.org/content/30/6/1079.full   They look for lesions/white matter.

I understand how you could interpret it that way.  Especially given how Yo always seems to get the 'facts' wrong.

 

Best wishes for your mom.  MS can be so serious for some.  I know lesions can indicate MS.  Been there, done that.  Nothing on the tests thankfully.  Anyhow, I think that MRI's can show an 'indication' of something but it's not proof.  It's a clinical diagnose.  My beef with Yo is her stating the brain test showed spirochetes.  I can't find anything to prove that...  But that's Yo's MO.  She likes to think she's the expert but the truth is she's proven herself not to be.

[platelets]

Gigi was acting weird to me. Something about her eyes, and also when she looked to the side when she said she had been asleep...

[WireWrap]

I understand how you could interpret it that way.  Especially given how Yo always seems to get the 'facts' wrong.

 

Best wishes for your mom.  MS can be so serious for some.  I know lesions can indicate MS.  Been there, done that.  Nothing on the tests thankfully.  Anyhow, I think that MRI's can show an 'indication' of something but it's not proof.  It's a clinical diagnose.  My beef with Yo is her stating the brain test showed spirochetes.  I can't find anything to prove that...  But that's Yo's MO.  She likes to think she's the expert but the truth is she's proven herself not to be.

Thanks! My Mom is now 80 years old and was a counselor for MS for several decades, I also helped counsel family members, which probably explains why Yolanda ticks me off so bad. My Mom was diagnosed through the old spinal tap method when she was in her thirties.

[DeeplyShallow]

Gigi was acting weird to me. Something about her eyes, and also when she looked to the side when she said she had been asleep...

Oh, completely agree, Princess GiGi wasn't alone, wasn't sleeping, and was definitely up to something. That's the feeling I had watching that little segment.

[Vicky8675309]

The white matter lesions in the MRIs are NON-SPECIFIC and you need to look at the clinical picture! A brain MRI can have white matter lesions that are non-specific and can be seen in demyelinating disease (like MS), vasculitis, microvascular changes, chronic migraine, etc…. It is NON-SPECIFIC. If they are ovoid and perpendicular to the lateral ventricles or if they involve the corpus callosum then that is more typical of MS however MS can have a normal appearing brain MRI. So if someone is 60 years old and has hypertension and a spell of neurological dysfunction and the MRI has non-specific white matter changes then most likely they have microvascular changes and had a TIA. If they are 30 y/o and had a week or two of blindness a year ago and more recently had right side weakness with the same brain MRI (maybe some enhancement in a left subcortical lesion) then it would fit more with MS. Look at the clinical setting (history, etc). I'd be more interested in Yo's csf results from a LP (cerebrospinal fluid analysis from a lumbar puncture).

The examples I gave are just examples. Yes, 60 year olds can have MS and 30 year olds can have htn. Both can have migraines….etc. Go to a neurologist!

Edited January 11, 2016 by Vicky8675309

[Yours Truly]

Kim spent three seasons telling us how well she is and how anyone dare question her sobriety.  There is no exploitation of her situation.  Getting drunk or taking pills is not a protected class.  She got her checks.  Time for an honest discussion on the issue without Kyle being subjected to it.

Why? That's the part I don't get. For ratings? So that the other women can vent about how much Kim Richards destroyed their life? I really don't get why Kim Richards MUST be discussed by these women at all. The same way I don't understand why I must speak to my neighbors about the drunk lady in the next building who comes home stumbling drunk 3 times a week. Will people talk? Of course. MUST I sit around and snicker at her obvious issues? Having a laugh and a snicker at her first stumble into the complex well sure. Funny sight, little quips, "someone's had too many", a little bit of relating and a comedic show. But after the next 3 months of the same display, well then the cloud of worry sets in and that's that for it being entertaining and I MOST definitely am not sitting around with others gossiping about her circumstances. And I wouldn't change my view even if she were to show up on the newest Bravo reality show. But that's just me.

[Yours Truly]

i hear you but it is really kicking a bitch when she is down.

I believe that addiction is a disease and in actuality, she is part of a protected class, ymmv.

AMEN!

 

Plus I'm also questioning the other women. Like seriously? To engage in it with no real dog in the fight. I get they know her and worked with her but is Kim's life affecting THEM (minus Kyle)? I don't get the justifiable connection that gives them any true acceptable reason why the cast should even be this inserted in Kim's business. Last season it was stretching because to me there are still boundaries even with co-workers/acquaintances/friends but now this season she isn't involved in any of these womens lives but an honest discussion about Kim Richards NEEDS be had. The slivers of thread that ties Kim to the rest of them is frayed beyond belief and the idea that there is some relevant reason why they should be talking about her is laughable.

[WireWrap]

AMEN!

 

Plus I'm also questioning the other women. Like seriously? To engage in it with no real dog in the fight. I get they know her and worked with her but is Kim's life affecting THEM (minus Kyle)? I don't get the justifiable connection that gives them any true acceptable reason why the cast should even be this inserted in Kim's business. Last season it was stretching because to me there are still boundaries even with co-workers/acquaintances/friends but now this season she isn't involved in any of these womens lives but an honest discussion about Kim Richards NEEDS be had. The slivers of thread that ties Kim to the rest of them is frayed beyond belief and the idea that there is some relevant reason why they should be talking about her is laughable.

Except that Kim was badmouthing several of the HWs in the press and in interviews she gave, especially LisaV, during filming. Which didn't make sense to me because Lisa didn't say much about Kim's addiction problem last season at all or any other season for that matter. 

Edited January 11, 2016 by WireWrap

[Yours Truly]

Kyle sees herself as the queen bee, IMO

I have always believed Camille. And thought that Kim was courageous to take a stand against lying, for the benefit of her sister.

Of course, it ended up costing her quite a bit as I believe that Kyle went tit for tat.

U don't back me up and I am outing you.

This of course is pure speculation , of course.

THIS!

 

I've always believed this and I've always had this feeling throught out all the seasons that Kyle used to hold Kim hostage. That's why I don't believe the long suffering Kyle and used to root for Kim because addict or no addict there's this sort of scared, desperate, fearful undertone that comes from Kim when dealing with Kyle. Yeah, sure when frightened enough she rears her ugly head but back in season one Kim seemed especially distraught and needy and completely unnerved by Kyle. Go back to season one and watch Kyle. She's a lot more dismissive, strong mannered and unforgiving when she deals with Kim while Kim seems hit a hurt, scared puppy, all the while seeming worried and apprehensive with Kyle whenever she knew Kyle was unhappy with her.  Look I know, I know Kim's an addict, horrible person, yada yaday but I saw the progression. As Kim was outted more and more she gave up more and more and said fuck it more and more. This is how I see it from Kim's perspective "Kyle's been holding it over my head for years and she finally did what she threatened to do so fuck all the hoops. Fuck feeling guilty, fuck apologize to Kyle, fuck our back and forth dance, fuck it all." After the first season Kyle realized how shit comes across on camera and did a COMPLETE overhaul on her persona and how she presents her "life" to the cameras. You can see it. She's a fast fucking learner and I have to say she's right up there with Lisa V with regards to keeping a nice balance with viewers and she's pulled a big recovery from the first season where she was very much disliked. She's lucky Camille was on that season.

 

Yeah, I have a feeling that a part of that dance between the sisters had less to do with poor poor Kyle and more to do with Kyle threatening Kim with public humiliation about her addiction. Kyle has a very huge calculating side to her and she will never allow herself to be made to look bad over anything. One thing that stood out in a TH. How she doesn't believe that Kim being a child actor had anything to do with her issues? That certain people are predisposed to having problems. Wow, way to dismiss a possible healing method. "Oh no, it wasn't the industry Kim, it wasn't our mother Kim, it wasn't the fucked up circumstances Kim it wasn't because you were the oldest, started first and did this longer than me Kim, it wasn't that you were a child actor Kim it's just cause YOU are YOU. YOU failed. YOU are broken cause hey I drove myself to school at 13 Kim and look I have a normal beautiful life I can be proud of Kim".

 

I don't know why, but I've seen this written all over Kyle's face since season one and it really drives me crazy. It's like I can see it plain as day and it's so weird that we all see things so differently in this world.

[SCS]

AMEN!

 

Plus I'm also questioning the other women. Like seriously? To engage in it with no real dog in the fight. I get they know her and worked with her but is Kim's life affecting THEM (minus Kyle)? I don't get the justifiable connection that gives them any true acceptable reason why the cast should even be this inserted in Kim's business. Last season it was stretching because to me there are still boundaries even with co-workers/acquaintances/friends but now this season she isn't involved in any of these womens lives but an honest discussion about Kim Richards NEEDS be had. The slivers of thread that ties Kim to the rest of them is frayed beyond belief and the idea that there is some relevant reason why they should be talking about her is laughable.

The pseudo concern on the part of the non-family cast members benefits them by increased on-camera time, first by talking about poor addled Kim and then going on about how Kim's words and actions have been so hurtful. As for Kyle, it's the same passive-aggressive BS we've watched since S1. In what is my always most humble opinion, Kyle glories in the other women bashing her sister; it takes the onus off her and, yet, is all kinds of pathetic. Kyle should just take some of her boutique income and hire a few people to spend day and night posting on sundry message boards about every bad bad thing Kim has done, is doing and, what the hell, may do in the coming days. It might cost a few bucks but think of the global audience she could reach.

THIS!

 

I've always believed this and I've always had this feeling throught out all the seasons that Kyle used to hold Kim hostage. That's why I don't believe the long suffering Kyle and used to root for Kim because addict or no addict there's this sort of scared, desperate, fearful undertone that comes from Kim when dealing with Kyle. Yeah, sure when frightened enough she rears her ugly head but back in season one Kim seemed especially distraught and needy and completely unnerved by Kyle. Go back to season one and watch Kyle. She's a lot more dismissive, strong mannered and unforgiving when she deals with Kim while Kim seems hit a hurt, scared puppy, all the while seeming worried and apprehensive with Kyle whenever she knew Kyle was unhappy with her.  Look I know, I know Kim's an addict, horrible person, yada yaday but I saw the progression. As Kim was outted more and more she gave up more and more and said fuck it more and more. This is how I see it from Kim's perspective "Kyle's been holding it over my head for years and she finally did what she threatened to do so fuck all the hoops. Fuck feeling guilty, fuck apologize to Kyle, fuck our back and forth dance, fuck it all." After the first season Kyle realized how shit comes across on camera and did a COMPLETE overhaul on her persona and how she presents her "life" to the cameras. You can see it. She's a fast fucking learner and I have to say she's right up there with Lisa V with regards to keeping a nice balance with viewers and she's pulled a big recovery from the first season where she was very much disliked. She's lucky Camille was on that season.

 

Yeah, I have a feeling that a part of that dance between the sisters had less to do with poor poor Kyle and more to do with Kyle threatening Kim with public humiliation about her addiction. Kyle has a very huge calculating side to her and she will never allow herself to be made to look bad over anything. One thing that stood out in a TH. How she doesn't believe that Kim being a child actor had anything to do with her issues? That certain people are predisposed to having problems. Wow, way to dismiss a possible healing method. "Oh no, it wasn't the industry Kim, it wasn't our mother Kim, it wasn't the fucked up circumstances Kim it wasn't because you were the oldest, started first and did this longer than me Kim, it wasn't that you were a child actor Kim it's just cause YOU are YOU. YOU failed. YOU are broken cause hey I drove myself to school at 13 Kim and look I have a normal beautiful life I can be proud of Kim".

 

I don't know why, but I've seen this written all over Kyle's face since season one and it really drives me crazy. It's like I can see it plain as day and it's so weird that we all see things so differently in this world.

 

This landed while I was posting. Yup, this too.

[Yours Truly]

I don't believe addiction is a disease....I think Kim could kick it if she REALLY

wanted too....she just simply doesn't want to. She has been an alcoholic and drug addict for so long, she wouldn't know how to live her life sober. I have some experience with alcoholism as I have been a recovering alcoholic for many years....I have been sober for a good while, but I must be hypervigilent to the temptation. I just don't think Kim has enough emotional strength to fight her demons. Imo, she needs long-term treatment in a really tough treatment program. Quite frankly, I think we'll read about her death in the next few years. Her body has sustained a lot of damage by now, one would think..damage that could effect her heart and brain. Recovery is not easy.

I actually think that in Kim's case managing it is what is best for her. I know it sounds crazy but people are all about black and white and to be honest Kim doesn't know how to live sober. I think it would be more torturous if at her age she would have to start all over. That is if she could even climb that mountain which I don't think she can. She doesn't have the proper support system AT ALL so to me that's that. I can't expect her to do it alone and I wouldn't expect her to start a journey that she KNOWS she needs the support but doesn't have it.  I know it's not popular opinion but I think the worst has come about because of the added pressure she's been under these last few years. When it comes to Kim I think the issue needs to be put to rest. I think helping her MANAGE her addiction instead of expecting her to kick it completely would put her on a better path, ease the anxiety and actually lead to longer recovery. She obviously can't handle anything more demanding. To me that seems like the more logically approach but then again I have no inside information about how her days go and how involved her family is so there's that. Who knows?

[Yours Truly]

http://www.aafp.org/afp/2003/0401/p1529.html

 

The American Medical Association has recognized it as a disease since 1956.  It's covered by health insurance as well.  I don't feel like looking it all up, but obviously TPTB DO recognize it as a disease.

 

I do too.  One person can take or leave alcohol/drugs, but the other simply can not.  I've known many of both types, and have one friend who was a true addict that really did kick it, AA and DA really worked for him, but for most, it's a very tough haul. 

 

I sympathize with Kim, she annoys me, but I do not think her struggle is easy, or simply a matter of "will power."  I think she was hooked very young on booze (probably mommy, or mommy's stash) and her rigorous Hollywood schedule and surroundings exposed her to uppers and downers so she could work and then sleep.  I often think of Judy Garland when I think of Kim, not 1/3rd of the talent, but probably very similar Hollywood childhood work, and exposure and expectations.  Addictive personalities have a nightmarish life once they start on any of the drugs or booze, and the treatments are pretty shaky, though they work for some.  Her life is hell.

I just have to say on top of this post that The whole child actor's of the 80's (as well as 50's 60's 70's and fading in the 90's) dilemma was very real. Thank goodness the awareness has been heightened and there are a lot of things in place (a lot of it morally) so that child actors are better protected and their childhoods not completely stolen.

[Yours Truly]

Yes, it is a recognized disease BUT like any disease, one has to seek treatment, what ever it is, to either cure or control the disease. IMO, Kim doesn't want to be sober, she prefers getting drunk and/or high to the reality of her life and the damage she has caused to those that love her. JMO

That very well may be but I guess the sympathizers try to point out that she has reason to want to escape. One doesn't just put on a super hero cape and bust out of the addiction bubble just because it's damaging to others. I mean some people beat it, but even those that have admit that it's a very very hard feat. For those who keep failing it shouldn't be seen as "they rather get drunk and hurt the one's they love". Hey I've been drunk. It isn't that great that you would "PREFER" it. In Kim's cause it seems more like a choice between her suffering and others suffering and she bouncing back and forth between the two. Tries sobriety to give relief to those around her for as long as she can take her own suffering then when she can't anymore she gets off, not falls off the wagon but gets off the wagon. That's why I think Kim needs to manage her addiction cause cutting it completely is something Kim just can't live with. I'm starting to see it as people expecting her to live with her demons so that they don't have to deal or worry about her addiction. I truly don't sense any real concern over her getting well. It seems like it's more about those around her not wanting to be burdened by it. That makes all the difference to an addict. I really feel sorry for Kim. No one's cared about her needs since she was a child and no one's caring about them now. Everything is always wrapped up in how it affects everyone else in Kim's life. I completely understand the reasons why Kim is indeed an addict and most likely will never stay in full recovery.

 

I wonder what would happen with Kim if the pressure was off, if her family just let her be, if she didn't feel like she had to hide her drinking or totally stop. Would she be content with a few glasses of wine at dinner, or getting drunk at a party like so many people do? Or would she non-stop binge and end up dead in a bathtub?

Getting sober is causing her so much anxiety, it's like a catch-22. The pressure to stop drinking makes her want to drink. She feels like a failure because she can't stop. The world is judging her. I'd probably drink too.

OH MY GOD! Exactly this!!!

Edited January 11, 2016 by Yours Truly

[Yours Truly]

Yep. "Bitter" is the key word, I think. Everyone around her can drink as much as they want, be silly and/or obnoxious, so Kim feels put upon, resentful, and deprived. Once a drinker gets that mindset, there's not much hope.

Yeah, well when you sense everyone around you are clutching their pearls because you're having a drink or think you're drinking then yeah, I'd be resentful too. I think there would be a difference if she didn't feel she needed to hide it and those around her didn't gasp when she takes a sip. The bitterness and resentfulness I feel comes more from the NEEDING to hide it and feeling JUDGED about it as well as people needing to REACT to it prematurely. Hey, be a little concerned but unless the bitch ends up swimming in your fountain or trying to ride your mini horse in your back yard (LOL) or getting into a car to drive then sounding the alarms is a bit extreme. That's what I felt kept happening season after season. It's the negative anticipation, the vibe that gets put out in the air and yup you guessed it Kyle was usually the one to start the wide eyed, nervous energy that would catch throughout the room.

 

Season after season Kim started getting fed up with it and started calling her out on the BS. Remember the airplane ride? How she reacted to Kyle running out of the restaurant. Sometimes Kyle's reactions could be considered understandable but by that time Kim was over it and didn't give a fuck anymore. Kyle created a specific narrative. Yeah, Kim actions DID NOT HELP whatsoever but the reactions Kim recieved over the years could have been a whole lot different if Kyle didn't always set off the vibe that SHE, KYLE would be the one needing support by the end of the evening, that she would be the wronged party, that SHE would be needing consoling.  Meanwhile subliminally vilianizing Kim. Time and time again that's exactly what we saw from Kyle.  I'm just saying I saw every stealth move Kyle set up and it worked like a charm. Unfortunately the only other person who didn't bite was Brandi and well, she wasn't the best advocate but girl knew what the fuck she was talking about when tried calling Kyle out alongside Kim. Reputation means everything in this world. Sad to say.

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[Yours Truly]

Except that Kim was badmouthing several of the HWs in the press and in interviews she gave, especially LisaV, during filming. Which didn't make sense to me because Lisa didn't say much about Kim's addiction problem last season at all or any other season for that matter. 

But was it a part of the show? I didn't know about it and I don't care to know about it. This is what I mean about shoehorning Kim's addiction into this season through third parties. They knew they couldn't pull off having Kim on as a regular but boy are they still hell bent on covering her addiction and her antics they are just going to do it with Lisa V and Lisa R as the night achors for BRAVONEW's LIVE at 8.

 

Lisa addressed what was said directly through twitter. Done.  Is every answer to whatever Kim is spouting "Let's talk about the most recent news involving Kim and her issues"?. Oh she didn't think I was supportive. "Not only did I respond to her via twitter but now we need to talk to Kyle about Kim's arrest". Wait, huh, what?? No relevance or connection to the show. Those inserts are brought up during filming randomly. Just as a way to let the other cast members start talking and to corner Kyle. Really? Pretty disgusting of these "ladies" I have to say since they run with it for "REALITY TV".

Edited January 11, 2016 by Yours Truly

[LIMOM]

When I look at Kim, I see sadness and a lost person.

When I look at Kyle , I see shadenfraude, competition and pure ugliness.Kyle was nicknamed Vyle for reason.

As far as Kathy, I see an aging party girl but I know very little about her.

[Yours Truly]

 

I agree with you that I doubt she will ever really kick this.  She doesn't have what it takes. 

(we should take this to the Kim thread, ooops, sorry mods!)

oooppss me too I was just catching up and responding. Got caught up. Sorry.

[zoeysmom]

Why? That's the part I don't get. For ratings? So that the other women can vent about how much Kim Richards destroyed their life? I really don't get why Kim Richards MUST be discussed by these women at all. The same way I don't understand why I must speak to my neighbors about the drunk lady in the next building who comes home stumbling drunk 3 times a week. Will people talk? Of course. MUST I sit around and snicker at her obvious issues? Having a laugh and a snicker at her first stumble into the complex well sure. Funny sight, little quips, "someone's had too many", a little bit of relating and a comedic show. But after the next 3 months of the same display, well then the cloud of worry sets in and that's that for it being entertaining and I MOST definitely am not sitting around with others gossiping about her circumstances. And I wouldn't change my view even if she were to show up on the newest Bravo reality show. But that's just me.

 

Same reason they mention Eileen's Emmy -it is the news.  Kim insulted the others at the Reunion and throughout the season got arrested, went on Dr. Phil and got arrested again.  It was all in the news.  I agree that the women should not approach Kyle about it but they should most certainly talk about it.  Comparing Kim to your neighbor is kind of irrelevant unless of course you and your neighbor are on a reality show or are in the media frequently.

 

It is the same thing with Yolanda, she floods social media and any reporter's ear she can bend about her fragile condition then turns around and lambasted the other ladies for asking what is up.  Yolanda doesn't listen to the women, expects to be the center of the show but does not want them to have a voice.

AMEN!

 

Plus I'm also questioning the other women. Like seriously? To engage in it with no real dog in the fight. I get they know her and worked with her but is Kim's life affecting THEM (minus Kyle)? I don't get the justifiable connection that gives them any true acceptable reason why the cast should even be this inserted in Kim's business. Last season it was stretching because to me there are still boundaries even with co-workers/acquaintances/friends but now this season she isn't involved in any of these womens lives but an honest discussion about Kim Richards NEEDS be had. The slivers of thread that ties Kim to the rest of them is frayed beyond belief and the idea that there is some relevant reason why they should be talking about her is laughable.

Well yes Kim life affects them, especially when Kim goes on the air and disparages one or more of them.  So yes Kim has remained a part of their lives and she is coming back on the show.  So she is entirely relevant.  Had Kim never been on the show and gotten arrested, chances are the headlines would be about Paris Hilton's aunt, or RHOBH star Kyle Richard's child star sister getting arrested.  If that were the case then it would be weird sitting around talking about Kim but as long as Kim is affiliated with the show it is relevant and necessary because in real life, people who do not even know her talk about her.

[The Mighty Peanut]

Why? That's the part I don't get. For ratings? So that the other women can vent about how much Kim Richards destroyed their life? I really don't get why Kim Richards MUST be discussed by these women at all. The same way I don't understand why I must speak to my neighbors about the drunk lady in the next building who comes home stumbling drunk 3 times a week. Will people talk? Of course. MUST I sit around and snicker at her obvious issues? Having a laugh and a snicker at her first stumble into the complex well sure. Funny sight, little quips, "someone's had too many", a little bit of relating and a comedic show. But after the next 3 months of the same display, well then the cloud of worry sets in and that's that for it being entertaining and I MOST definitely am not sitting around with others gossiping about her circumstances. And I wouldn't change my view even if she were to show up on the newest Bravo reality show. But that's just me.

 

Thanks for saying this. I couldn't agree more. I don't know why the actions of Kim Richards are treated like this long-lasting psychological trauma that leaves the ladies entitled to speak about her in public repeatedly and at length so that they may get over the atrocities perpetrated against them. Family members and close friends who have been profoundly affected by the consequences of her addiction I can understand. She ruined her own daughter's wedding FFS. But Eileen and Lisa? Jesus, so Kim told Eileen she didn't like her face and triggered Lisa R's devastating history of being shushed. Get the fuck over it. Go do superior sober shit like ignoring your dying parents. Kim's deeply ill and here they are all like "But....meeeeeeeeeeeeeee."

Edited January 11, 2016 by The Mighty Peanut

[Yours Truly]

Same reason they mention Eileen's Emmy -it is the news.  Kim insulted the others at the Reunion and throughout the season got arrested, went on Dr. Phil and got arrested again.  It was all in the news.  I agree that the women should not approach Kyle about it but they should most certainly talk about it.  Comparing Kim to your neighbor is kind of irrelevant unless of course you and your neighbor are on a reality show or are in the media frequently.

Taylor's husband killed himself that was on the news as well. They all tried to handle all that rather delicately though and the man was pretty much accused of being a wife beater and thief.

 

And I pointed out that even if she were to show up on bravo's newest reality show her CIRCUMSTANCES still wouldn't be considered entertainment to me or worthy of poolside banter and or a topic for unnecessary callous discussions like it is for these women. Reality paycheck or not certain lines don't have to be crossed ya know.

Thanks for saying this. I couldn't agree more. I don't know why the actions of Kim Richards are treated like this long-lasting psychological trauma that leaves the ladies entitled to speak about her in public repeatedly and at length so that they may get over the atrocities perpetrated against them. Family members and close friends who have been profoundly affected by the consequences of her addiction I can understand. She ruined her own daughter's wedding FFS. But Eileen and Lisa? Jesus, so Kim told Eileen she didn't like her face and triggered Lisa R's devastating history of being shushed. Get the fuck over it. Go do superior sober shit like ignoring your dying parents. Kim's deeply ill and here they are all like "But....meeeeeeeeeeeeeee."

I heart you sooooooo much for the bolded as well as the rest but the bolded!!!! Love, love, love!

 

Also, I can't help but add that a lot of speculation surrounds why Lisa R is neglecting them AND is JUSTIFIED in this and it has to do with childhood issues and stuff inflicted by her dad quite possibly. Hmmmm childhood issues justifying fucked up behaviors... Guess it only applies if your sober.

Edited January 11, 2016 by Yours Truly

[izabella]

Why? That's the part I don't get. For ratings? So that the other women can vent about how much Kim Richards destroyed their life? I really don't get why Kim Richards MUST be discussed by these women at all. The same way I don't understand why I must speak to my neighbors about the drunk lady in the next building who comes home stumbling drunk 3 times a week. Will people talk? Of course. MUST I sit around and snicker at her obvious issues? Having a laugh and a snicker at her first stumble into the complex well sure. Funny sight, little quips, "someone's had too many", a little bit of relating and a comedic show. But after the next 3 months of the same display, well then the cloud of worry sets in and that's that for it being entertaining and I MOST definitely am not sitting around with others gossiping about her circumstances. And I wouldn't change my view even if she were to show up on the newest Bravo reality show. But that's just me.

 

If one of my co-workers whom I worked with every day was a foul-mouth drunk, insulted me and mine, and then was sort-of fired and then got arrested, twice, you can bet I'd be talking about it and I'm not even on a reality show where I would be paid to talk about it.

 

As for whether Kim would supposedly be better off if everyone just left the poor girl alone and let her drink and take drugs as much as she wants, sorry, that's not possible when Kim's addictions are not kept to herself.  Instead, she had needed and expected financial support from her family, and emotional and physical support from the family for her children during her drunken/drugged hazes, as well as emotional support from her family for herself - who is she calling at 3am if not her family?  If Kim's family left her alone, she AND her children, would be homeless and broke (with the exception of whatever the kids' fathers might provide on their behalf....which means she might have LOST her kids if she was left to her own devices).  Kim's addictions aren't new, didn't start when she joined RH, and are ongoing to the detriment of her children and extended family over the years. 

Edited January 11, 2016 by izabella

[Yours Truly]

If one of my co-workers whom I worked with every day was a foul-mouth drunk, insulted me and mine, and then was sort-of fired and then got arrested, twice, you can bet I'd be talking about it and I'm not even on a reality show where I would be paid to talk about it.

 

As for whether Kim would supposedly be better off if everyone just left the poor girl alone and let her drink and take drugs as much as she wants, sorry, that's not possible when Kim's addictions are not kept to herself.  Instead, she had needed and expected financial support from her family, and emotional and physical support from the family for her children during her drunken/drugged hazes, as well as emotional support from her family for herself - who is she calling at 3am if not her family?  If Kim's family left her alone, she AND her children, would be homeless and broke (with the exception of whatever the kids' fathers might provide on their behalf....which means she might have LOST her kids if she was left to her own devices).  Kim's addictions aren't new, didn't start when she joined RH, and are ongoing to the detriment of her children and extended family over the years. 

And it's fixed by women gossiping about it on a show she is no longer on? Sending bad vibes her way? Engaging in her issues, life, antics? I just don't get the prolonged obsession over someone's definite journey to the grave. Seems pretty icky to me. Even if she did insult me at work. <Shrug>  That reality paycheck must have diamond studs framing it or something.

Edited January 11, 2016 by Yours Truly

[LIMOM]

If one of my co-workers whom I worked with every day was a foul-mouth drunk, insulted me and mine, and then was sort-of fired and then got arrested, twice, you can bet I'd be talking about it and I'm not even on a reality show where I would be paid to talk about it.

 

As for whether Kim would supposedly be better off if everyone just left the poor girl alone and let her drink and take drugs as much as she wants, sorry, that's not possible when Kim's addictions are not kept to herself.  Instead, she had needed and expected financial support from her family, and emotional and physical support from the family for her children during her drunken/drugged hazes, as well as emotional support from her family for herself - who is she calling at 3am if not her family?  If Kim's family left her alone, she AND her children, would be homeless and broke (with the exception of whatever the kids' fathers might provide on their behalf....which means she might have LOST her kids if she was left to her own devices).  Kim's addictions aren't new, didn't start when she joined RH, and are ongoing to the detriment of her children and extended family over the years.

That is the nature of her illness, IMO.

[izabella]

And it's fixed by women gossiping about it on a show she is no longer on? Sending bad vibes her way? Engaging in her issues, life, antics? I just don't get the prolonged obsession over someone's definite journey to the grave. Seems pretty icky to me. Even if she did insult me at work. <Shrug>  That reality paycheck must have diamond studs framing it or something.

 

Kim likes that paycheck a lot.  And the fame.  She wouldn't have been on the show otherwise, and she wouldn't be appearing later this season otherwise.

[zoeysmom]

If one of my co-workers whom I worked with every day was a foul-mouth drunk, insulted me and mine, and then was sort-of fired and then got arrested, twice, you can bet I'd be talking about it and I'm not even on a reality show where I would be paid to talk about it.

 

As for whether Kim would supposedly be better off if everyone just left the poor girl alone and let her drink and take drugs as much as she wants, sorry, that's not possible when Kim's addictions are not kept to herself.  Instead, she had needed and expected financial support from her family, and emotional and physical support from the family for her children during her drunken/drugged hazes, as well as emotional support from her family for herself - who is she calling at 3am if not her family?  If Kim's family left her alone, she AND her children, would be homeless and broke (with the exception of whatever the kids' fathers might provide on their behalf....which means she might have LOST her kids if she was left to her own devices).

I so agree.  I don't watch these shows for examples of exemplary behavior.  Human nature being what it is if someone screwed you over, of course their arrest would be subject for fodder, and screwed up at their daughter's wedding, and fled rehab, and got arrested again.

 

Without her family's support and at times cover up Kim would have been out in the cold a long time ago-or sober and gainfully employed.  While Kim had minor children she had some nice income.  So in effect it became her job and her family protected her so she could keep her child support rolling in.  I think more people question why Kathy and Kyle thought it prudent to bring Kim on the show. Granted it was ultimately Kim's decision.  Apparently, they relied on her behavior as a young working actress where she managed to show up, do her job and pick up a paycheck. 

 

 

And it's fixed by women gossiping about it on a show she is no longer on? Sending bad vibes her way? Engaging in her issues, life, antics? I just don't get the prolonged obsession over someone's definite journey to the grave. Seems pretty icky to me. Even if she did insult me at work. <Shrug>  That reality paycheck must have diamond studs framing it or something.

 

We are all headed to the grave.  It is a reality show, same thing when we talk about weddings and divorces.  How is it any different than talking of Teresa's indictment, arrest, sentencing and incarceration and finally her release?    This is Kim's behavior, there is no indication she was drunk at the time she got arrested at Target.  Most of the conversation was based around Kim needing help.

[izabella]

That is the nature of her illness, IMO.

 

It is the nature of her illness when it's not under control, which is why it doesn't seem to me that it would be possible to just let Kim drink as much as she wants and ignore it.  She's not drinking and taking drugs because her family is pressuring her to stop.  She is doing it because she is not in control of her illness and if it were ignored by her family and she didn't have to hide her addictions and just be as addicted as she wants, she'd end up the same place poor, unfamous people end up - she'd either have to get it under control, end up broke and homeless (because where is the money coming from that is going out on drugs and alcohol), or die.

[Yours Truly]

Kim likes that paycheck a lot.  And the fame.  She wouldn't have been on the show otherwise, and she wouldn't be appearing later this season otherwise.

Might as well get something too. No? I mean shit if the other women get paid for talking about Kim then hells bells.....

 

 

 

We are all headed to the grave.  It is a reality show, same thing when we talk about weddings and divorces.  How is it any different than talking of Teresa's indictment, arrest, sentencing and incarceration and finally her release?    This is Kim's behavior, there is no indication she was drunk at the time she got arrested at Target.  Most of the conversation was based around Kim needing help.

Just seems to be a little too much gleeful undertone in their demeanor about Kim's self destruction. Maybe I'm the only one that gets that vibe. Maybe not.

[MatildaMoody]

Kim has only been mentioned twice this season right? And both times they were brief "what's going on with your sister" type discussions. Were there more than the two mentions that I missed? Because, otherwise, this doesn't seem like anyone obsessing over or exploiting Kim (well, BRAVO maybe), but none of the conversations where they ask what is going on with Kim have been in depth  conversations in which Kim is the only point of discussion. It seems much more like providing some background info to set up her appearance at some point this season.