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Valny
Valny

FINALLY!  TATIANA GETS HER EMMY NOMINATION!

MarkHB
MarkHB

AMC is giving the Orphan Black premiere the full State of the Union treatment

lulee
lulee

All in favor of sending Helena after the voters who didn't vote for Tatiana, say "aye!"

ElectricBoogaloo

ElectricBoogaloo

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Tatiana on Seth Myers last week:

 

And this is from April, but I had to post it because I remember someone mentioned this German word (backpfeifengesicht) in one of the PTV forums (I can't remember which show though!):

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Isazouzi

Isazouzi

I know that's gonna sound stupid, but I feel like the person in these videos is not the actress who plays the clones, but another clone. She looks and sounds so different from them all.

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Lady Calypso

Lady Calypso

Honestly, I'm sad, but I'm also ok with it. Most shows should only go for five seasons. It keeps the stories tighter and it ensures that the show doesn't completely fall apart just because the showrunners are scrambling for new ideas. This also gives the cast room to find other projects, and I hope they all do. I'll certainly miss the show and the cast, but I'm ok with it ending with season five. It sucks, but it really is for the best. They can wrap it all up next season and provide all the answers that we have been wanting. 

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dampfire

dampfire

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Just in case there's any doubt about who the hardest working person on TV is....

http://hrecht.github.io/orphanblack-update/ 

ETA: Certainly don't mean to criticize.  Totally blown away by Hannah Recht's painstaking analysis.  But she actually might have been able to credit Tat with a couple more minutes of screentime (which would have put the total over the1600 mark) if she counted the Jennifer Fitzsimmons vids...which I'm not sure she did.  Regardless, BRAVO, Hannah!  Great work.  I thank you.  And I'm sure all of Clone Club thanks you.

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chocolatine

chocolatine

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3 hours ago, dampfire said:

Just in case there's any doubt about who the hardest working person on TV is....

http://hrecht.github.io/orphanblack-update/ 

ETA: Certainly don't mean to criticize.  Totally blown away by Hannah Recht's painstaking analysis.  But she actually might have been able to credit Tat with a couple more minutes of screentime (which would have put the total over the1600 mark) if she counted the Jennifer Fitzsimmons vids...which I'm not sure she did.  Regardless, BRAVO, Hannah!  Great work.  I thank you.  And I'm sure all of Clone Club thanks you.

If you have a GitHub account you can fork the repository, update the relevant files to factor in Jennifer's screen time, then do a pull request so Hannah can incorporate your changes. From what I can tell looking at the source files, you'd have to add Jennifer's minutes to the charactertable.csv and chartimebyep.csv files in the data folder. The R script that's computing the stats should update automatically, but you'd need to tweak the HTML and JavaScript files to update the front-end. But if you don't code, you could just update the CSV files and do a pull request for those, and Hannah can update the front-end herself. The fact that she put it on GitHub means that she wants people to collaborate, so she won't take the update as criticism.

If you're not familiar with GitHub, but can tell me how many minutes and seconds Jennifer was on screen per episode that she was in (IIRC it was just one, but I could be wrong), I can fork the repo, make the changes, and do a pull request from my account.

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ottoDbusdriver

ottoDbusdriver

8 minutes ago, Captanne said:

Good gravy.  This chart is amazing.  Well done, Hannah Recht!

Awesome detail indeed Hannah Recht.  And thanks @dampfire providing the link.

The one thing that those charts really emphasize is how little Helena we got in Season 4 compared to previous seasons.

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Not Beth

Not Beth

12 hours ago, dampfire said:

Just in case there's any doubt about who the hardest working person on TV is....

http://hrecht.github.io/orphanblack-update/ 

ETA: Certainly don't mean to criticize.  Totally blown away by Hannah Recht's painstaking analysis.  But she actually might have been able to credit Tat with a couple more minutes of screentime (which would have put the total over the1600 mark) if she counted the Jennifer Fitzsimmons vids...which I'm not sure she did.  Regardless, BRAVO, Hannah!  Great work.  I thank you.  And I'm sure all of Clone Club thanks you.

Firstly, thanks for linking to this. It was a great read.

Secondly, if you read to the About at the very bottom of the webpage, there's a disclaimer about why the page writer didn't include Jennifer Fitzsimmons' screentime.

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dampfire

dampfire

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14 hours ago, chocolatine said:

If you have a GitHub account you can fork the repository, update the relevant files to factor in Jennifer's screen time, then do a pull request so Hannah can incorporate your changes. From what I can tell looking at the source files, you'd have to add Jennifer's minutes to the charactertable.csv and chartimebyep.csv files in the data folder. The R script that's computing the stats should update automatically, but you'd need to tweak the HTML and JavaScript files to update the front-end. But if you don't code, you could just update the CSV files and do a pull request for those, and Hannah can update the front-end herself. The fact that she put it on GitHub means that she wants people to collaborate, so she won't take the update as criticism.

If you're not familiar with GitHub, but can tell me how many minutes and seconds Jennifer was on screen per episode that she was in (IIRC it was just one, but I could be wrong), I can fork the repo, make the changes, and do a pull request from my account.

Oh, you silly chocolatine wabbit, you!  I'm about as good a tweaking things on the computer as Tat is bad at acting.

As impressively informative as your post was, most of it (paragraph one especially) went whistling right over my head.  Never so much as heard of GitHub until I clicked on a link (courtesy of Allisonmac) on reddit yesterday.  Am glad to hear that the site is collaborative in nature and that Hannah wouldn't in all likelihood, "...take the update as criticism."

Just gave the Jennifer Fitzsimmons stuff a quick once over, and I came up with 3:14.  Most of that came in ep 203.  2:43 when Delphine first tells Cosima about the Jennifer vids.  10 seconds at the autopsy (only counted the actual "face time" of Jennifer's corpse).  Plus there was a 21 second snippet of one of Jennifer's vids in ep 204.  Cosima's watching it but is interrupted by Sarah, skyping from Cal's RV.

If you want get involved, chocolatine, feel free.  In the interest of absolute accuracy, I suppose it would be a good thing.  But it's hardly necessary in the more general sense.  Hannah's data, whether or not 3 minutes are added, confirms what I think we all pretty instinctively knew already.

Amazing as well: in 17 out of OB's 40 eps (if I'm reading the chart correctly), Tat actually logs as much (3) or more (14) screentime than the show itself is long!

(ETA: Perhaps you can stand down, chocolatine.  See below.)

4 hours ago, Not Beth said:

Firstly, thanks for linking to this. It was a great read.

Secondly, if you read to the About at the very bottom of the webpage, there's a disclaimer about why the page writer didn't include Jennifer Fitzsimmons' screentime.

Ummm, Not Beth...a quick admission of utter stupidity (and outright negligence)...I completely missed Hannah's explanation for all this down near the bottom of her page:

I decided to exclude home videos and corpses (RIP Beth and Katja) because including those scenes often repeated footage and also made it appear that Beth was alive and kicking in several episodes. For consistency, Jennifer's appearances via video and autopsy in season two had to be treated equally and therefore her scenes are not included in this analysis. 

My bad for failing to notice this.

Nonetheless, I'm not sure I entirely agree with Hannah's rationale for these exclusions.  I kind of get why she didn't want to acknowledge repeated Beth-related vid footage more than once.  But none of Jennifer's vid footage was repeated.  Furthermore, whether or not the characters were "dead" when the vids appeared seems relatively irrelevant to me.  Those characters were "alive" when the vids were made.  More importantly though, Tat had to "act" those parts.  So I don't see any real reason not to credit her with "acting" screentime.  Same goes for the corpses.  If Tat was actually "playing" the corpses (not all that easy to do as an actor), I'm not sure why such work should be categorically dismissed.

All of which is undeservedly argumentative hogwash on my part.  Hannah explained her methodology, accounted for these exclusions.  That's more than good enough for me.

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chocolatine

chocolatine

6 minutes ago, dampfire said:

Oh, you silly chocolatine wabbit, you!  I'm about as good a tweaking things on the computer as Tat is bad at acting.

As impressively informative as your post was, most of it it (paragraph one especially) went whistling right over my head.  Never so much as heard of GitHub until I clicked on a link (courtesy of Allisonmac) on reddit yesterday.  Am glad to hear that the site is collaborative in nature and that Hannah wouldn't in all likelihood, "...take the update as criticism."

Just gave the Jennifer Fitzsimmons stuff a quick once over, and I came up with 3:14.  Most of that came in ep 203.  2:43 when Delphine first tells Cosima about the Jennifer vids.  10 seconds at the autopsy (only counted the actual "face time" of Jennifer's corpse).  Plus there was a 21 second snippet of one of Jennifer's vids in ep 204.  Cosima's watching it but is interrupted by Sarah, skyping from Cal's RV.

If you want get involved, chocolatine, feel free.  In the interest of absolute accuracy, I suppose it would be a good thing.  But it's hardly necessary in the more general sense.  Hannah's data, whether or not 3 minutes are added, confirms what I think we all pretty instinctively knew already.

Amazing as well: in 17 out of OB's 40 eps (if I'm reading the chart correctly), Tat actually logs as much (3) or more (14) screentime than the show itself is long!

(ETA: Perhaps you can stand down, chocolatine.  See below.)

Ummm, Not Beth...a quick admission of utter stupidity (and outright negligence)...I completely missed Hannah's explanation for all this down near the bottom of her page:

I decided to exclude home videos and corpses (RIP Beth and Katja) because including those scenes often repeated footage and also made it appear that Beth was alive and kicking in several episodes. For consistency, Jennifer's appearances via video and autopsy in season two had to be treated equally and therefore her scenes are not included in this analysis. 

My bad for failing to notice this.

Nonetheless, I'm not sure I entirely agree with Hannah's rationale for these exclusions.  I kind of get why she didn't want to acknowledge repeated Beth-related vid footage more than once.  But none of Jennifer's vid footage was repeated.  Furthermore, whether or not the characters were "dead" when the vids appeared seems relatively irrelevant to me.  Those characters were "alive" when the vids were made.  More importantly though, Tat had to "act" those parts.  So I don't see any real reason not to credit her with "acting" screentime.  Same goes for the corpses.  If Tat was actually "playing" the corpses (not all that easy to do as an actor), I'm not sure why such work should be categorically dismissed.

All of which is undeservedly argumentative hogwash on my part.  Hannah explained her methodology, accounted for these exclusions.  That's more than good enough for me.

LOL! I've been working so much with GitHub lately that its jargon has become second nature and I forgot how weird it sounded when I first started using it.

I hadn't noticed the footnote either, and now that I've seen it I'll refrain from suggesting any changes, but I agree with you that any time TM was on screen that's work that she did and it should be counted. Moreover, FWIW, Jennifer wasn't dead before the show started. When Delphine showed Cosima the video diary in S2 she said Jennifer had died two days before, so she was alive when the show started, she just never found out that she was a clone.

Not to take anything away from Hannah's work though, that was amazing.

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

14 hours ago, dampfire said:

Just in case there's any doubt about who the hardest working person on TV is....

http://hrecht.github.io/orphanblack-update/ 

I love these notes toward the bottom:

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About

The data for this analysis was collected using a strict, consistent, and highly enjoyable but not peer-reviewed method of rewatching every episode with a spreadsheet open and one hand on the pause button. Scene changes or other breaks less than 10 seconds were ignored. Recaps, title scenes, credits, and previews were excluded from analysis. The data is as accurate as I could get, but use at your own risk.

I collected started this project before season two's premiere. I decided to exclude home videos and corpses (RIP Beth and Katja) because including those scenes often repeated footage and also made it appear that Beth was alive and kicking in several episodes. For consistency, Jennifer's appearances via video and autopsy in season two had to be treated equally and therefore her scenes are not included in this analysis.

Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with Orphan Black, Temple Street, BBC America, Space, or any other organization connected with the show. Photo originals credit to BBC America.

© Hannah Recht, 2016. View the data and code on Github. For questions or comments or theories about Beth Childs, contact me on Twitter. And if you've somehow read this far but yet haven't watched the show, go check it out RIGHT NOW.

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dampfire

dampfire

1 hour ago, chocolatine said:

...I agree with you that any time TM was on screen that's work that she did and it should be counted.

Not to take anything away from Hannah's work though, that was amazing.

Yeah...don't want to beat a dead horse (even less so, a live Hannah), but feel somehow compelled to take one last whack anyway.

It's pretty hard to watch Jennifer move from the relative optimism of, "...the amazing news is Dr. Aldous Leekie of the DYAD Institute says he can help, so they're going to fly me out for treatment," to her puking her guts out before demonstratively peeling off her head covering and bitterly stating, "Dr. Leekie couldn't even help me.  He lied.  How am I doing?  I'm going to die here," and to reconcile oneself to the fact that this is screentime destined for the discard pile.

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Mabinogia

Mabinogia

I'm trying to remember which ep was 23, where she was only in 26 minutes of it. Must have been a Castor heavy ep. I should be grateful that the Castor storyline gave her a much needed break...but I still hate it and wish they hadn't wasted my time on it.

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dampfire

dampfire

3 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

I'm trying to remember which ep was 23, where she was only in 26 minutes of it. Must have been a Castor heavy ep. I should be grateful that the Castor storyline gave her a much needed break...but I still hate it and wish they hadn't wasted my time on it.

The 23rd ep was 303: "Formalized, Complex, and Costly".  

A lot of stuff about Mark and Gracie.  Assorted visits to Willard Finch's farm.  Rudy returned to the Castor Compound after having offed Seth...requiring a certain amount of debriefing.  Bonnie and Alexis resurfaced.  

So, yeah, while it was a comparatively Leda Lite ep, Tat was still on the screen for better than half the running time.  The only thing close (and it wasn't really even close) to a major multiple clone scene was an impromptu skype conference (what to do with Seth's body) involving Sarah and Cosima (plus Art and Felix) early on in the ep.  Sarah and Cosima also had a brief telephone conversation (Castors and Ledas are siblings) near the end.

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Loandbehold

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Tatiana got an Emmy nod! I really hope she wins this time.

Now, if we can get the Emmy voters to actually watch her performance.

I'm also a little disappointed that OB (meaning Tat) wasn't nominated for best Drama cast. Everyone knew Game of Thrones and House of Cards would make it into that category, but, come on, a curveball nomination would have been nice.

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Loandbehold

Loandbehold

I was happy to find out that The Americans, Matt Rhys, and Keri Russell also got nominated. Someone in that forum posted an interview w/ the showrunners. I especially smiled at this quote: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/americans-showrunners-emmy-nominations-i-911100

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We're particularly thrilled to see Matthew and Keri's extraordinary work recognized because they're amazing. There should be a separate category for actors who play multiple characters. It's great to see that recognized by the Academy and their peers.

Yes, Mr. Fields. I heartily concur w/ that sentiment.

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chocolatine

chocolatine

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17 minutes ago, Loandbehold said:

I was happy to find out that The Americans, Matt Rhys, and Keri Russell also got nominated. Someone in that forum posted an interview w/ the showrunners. I especially smiled at this quote: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/americans-showrunners-emmy-nominations-i-911100

Yes, Mr. Fields. I heartily concur w/ that sentiment.

Does he include Matthew Rhys and Keri Russel in the multiple characters category because their characters (who are Soviet spies) work their assets under disguises (Clark, Patty, etc.)? That's not nearly the same as what Tatiana does, because the spies merely change their appearance, but not their speech or physicality. And they never appear as multiple characters in the same scene, obviously.

Not to knock The Americans, I absolutely love that show and I'm happy it's finally getting some mainstream recognition, but to me, what Tatiana does as Sarah/Alison/Cosima/Helena/Beth/Rachel/MK/Krystal is hands down more remarkable than what Keri Russel does as Elizabeth and her occasional disguises.

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jjjmoss

jjjmoss

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Her Emmy submission is The Antisocialism of Sex. Taking from Wiki the Maslany parts:

Sarah and Cosima come to terms with their input in the deal that led to Kendall’s death. Alison pushes forward with Gemma’s birthday party to maintain a sense of normality. Susan returns to the Island and informs Rachel of the creator of Neolutionism. Mrs. S disowns Sarah who begins to spin off the rails, drinking, partying and taking drugs. Sarah’s story starts to parallel Beth’s and she begins to hallucinate her. Evie...refus[es] to allow Rachel to take a position of importance within Neolution. Police interrupt the Hendrix slumber party and arrest Donnie on suspicion of narcotics trafficking. Duko then shows up and ominously says that he and Alison will be staying in touch. Sarah finds herself at the train station where Beth killed herself, conversing with her one last time. Cosima begins experimenting on herself by inserting Sarah’s bot in her own cheek as a desperate cure, as it is risk versus reward, suggesting that her death could help the clones learn about the disease. Felix talks her out of it, informing her that Krystal saw Delphine get carried away, alive, after she was shot. Felix then arrives at the train station, where Sarah contemplates jumping. He talks her out of it and she steps down, hugging and returning home. M.K. hacks Kira’s computer, who Kira calls the girl in the shadows. Rachel hallucinates something in her eye – a swan.

On IMDB, voters rate it as the very worst ep of the season. Hmm, maybe she's a Viola Davis or Robin Wright fan and wants to help their chances?

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chocolatine

chocolatine

21 minutes ago, jjjmoss said:

Her Emmy submission is The Antisocialism of Sex.

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On IMDB, voters rate it as the very worst ep of the season. Hmm, maybe she's a Viola Davis or Robin Wright fan and wants to help their chances?

I haven't kept track with how the Television Academy tends to vote, but maybe they favor emotional episodes in the drama acting categories?

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jjjmoss

jjjmoss

They do, but incumbent (and possibly the next Best Actress Oscar winner) Viola Davis's choice seems more obviously so, especially given her fame for crying scenes. The Vulture recap for her episode There's My Baby includes "Viola Davis and Tom Verica need to win all the awards for this scene. Holy hell, they acted the mess out of this. So heartbreaking." 

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chocolatine

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I think that the scenes between Sarah and Siobhan in the aftermath of Kendall's murder were the most overtly heart-wrenching of the season, so the episode selection might have been strategic. For me personally, the farewell scene between Beth and MK had more of an emotional impact, but I don't know that it would translate equally well for the Academy voters, many of whom probably aren't regular viewers. I don't think that emotional scenes are the show's strongest suit though, so I worry about TM's chances if that's the aspect that the Academy favors.

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Captanne

Captanne

Thank God it's 9,000,000 degrees and 99.9% humidity outside on a Sunday.  Otherwise, I might feel guilty about staying in and watching ALL THE ORPHAN BLACK VIDEOS FROM COMIC CON!!

Thanks for posting them, folks.

Just too awesome.

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topanga

topanga

6 hours ago, jjjmoss said:

So you think the casting director for (some of) Season 4's new characters is Emmy-worthy, because of Tatiana Maslany? That makes less sense than your original post. 

My take from Loandbehold's two posts is that Tatiana Maslany deserves an Emmy nomination for best performance by an ensemble cast. And I agree. 

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possibilities

possibilities

She does a good job of deflecting the praise when the interviewer asks her how it feels when viewers forget it's her in all the clone roles, or how she feels to be nominated for awards. Those are the kind of questions you really shouldn't ask people, because we all know it feels awesome but she can't say that without sounding a little braggy.

I wish they had asked her some more probing sorts of things.

Does anyone know which languages she and her parents and siblings speak? They referred to "several,"  but what are they?

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chocolatine

chocolatine

51 minutes ago, possibilities said:

She does a good job of deflecting the praise when the interviewer asks her how it feels when viewers forget it's her in all the clone roles, or how she feels to be nominated for awards. Those are the kind of questions you really shouldn't ask people, because we all know it feels awesome but she can't say that without sounding a little braggy.

I wish they had asked her some more probing sorts of things.

Does anyone know which languages she and her parents and siblings speak? They referred to "several,"  but what are they?

I think I heard her say in an interview that it was German and French, but I don't have a link to back that up.

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