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[Joimiaroxeu]

See Hope, that's what happens when you let a kid think they run your life. But I'm confused because Thomas and Caroline didn't sleep together in NY, did they? They were just co-parenting. You'd think Douglas would wonder why his real mommy didn't sleep in the same bed as his daddy.

So Shauna blew back into town just to berate Flo again? Flights from Vegas must be really cheap.

Wyatt's face is going to crack so hard when he learns what Flo's been up to. I can't wait. But she won't tell him yet. I bet Shauna's gonna pop out with that gigantic stun gun and stop her. 🙄

I want to feel sorry for Hope but she makes it so hard. As soon as someone tries to confront her with reality she retreats to her "for the children" position. Hope, are you going to submit to Thomas for the children? ("Lie back and think of Douglas. And Phoebe and Kelly.") No one would expect you to do that. No one besides Thomas, Ridge, and Steffy anyway.

[Petunia13]

7 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

In any event, this marriage from hell ain't getting consummated and it's just Satan and his hand tonight

Quote of the week. 

You know if Ally was alive Thomas would been sent to dirt by now for usurping Hope and Liam’s marriage and manipulating her. If Bridget was still on canvas she would have given Hope some serious talk about grief and self care and called bull shit on Thomas within a week of his return. This show can’t have strong women who aren’t undermining each other though. 

Bradley is writing lazy shit, like always, but it’s high key sad the woman who on paper has everything. She’s beautiful, rich, talented, a large close family. Except her babies died, one was stolen, she’s extremely depressed and self sabotaging, out of self loathing choose the option of life she things she would cause the least damage and because of that married an abuser, and of all her family, friends and celebrity she’s alone. 

[TigerLynx]

5 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

I want to feel sorry for Hope but she makes it so hard. As soon as someone tries to confront her with reality she retreats to her "for the children" position. Hope, are you going to submit to Thomas for the children? ("Lie back and think of Douglas. And Phoebe and Kelly.") No one would expect you to do that. No one besides Thomas, Ridge, and Steffy anyway.

Steffy was one of the people who told Hope if she didn't love Thomas, not to marry him.  Think about it, Steffy, Liam, and Brooke were all in agreement on that.  How often does that happen?  That really should have told Hope something right there.

2 hours ago, Petunia13 said:

You know if Ally was alive Thomas would been sent to dirt by now for usurping Hope and Liam’s marriage and manipulating her. If Bridget was still on canvas she would have given Hope some serious talk about grief and self care and called bull shit on Thomas within a week of his return. This show can’t have strong women who aren’t undermining each other though. 

Bridget would have been talking to Thomas to.  Brad Bell and the writers don't like to remember this, but Bridget was close to Thomas, Steffy, and Phoebe.

I swear if Liam and Wyatt find out the truth, and either one of them says anything even remotely along the lines of - we need to think about this and break the truth to Steffy and Hope slowly maybe we should wait a little while - I will be crawling into my TV to bitch slap them back to the stone age.

[CountryGirl]

13 hours ago, ByaNose said:

So, Hope isn’t really into Thomas. Who knew?

LOL.

This is a perfect representation.

[Joimiaroxeu]

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Steffy was one of the people who told Hope if she didn't love Thomas, not to marry him. 

Oh yeah, that's right. Hmm, now that Hope is married to Thomas though I wonder if Steffy will fall in line with the "you must do your wifely duties" train of thought? For sure Thomas and Ridge will be riding that train, hard.

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I swear if Liam and Wyatt find out the truth, and either one of them says anything even remotely along the lines of - we need to think about this and break the truth to Steffy and Hope slowly maybe we should wait a little while - I will be crawling into my TV to bitch slap them back to the stone age.

Absolutely. I wouldn't be surprised though if Wyatt tries that tack because his whole fantasy of Flo will be falling apart. Liam AFAIC will have zero excuse not to tell Hope right away. Odds are though she won't believe him. 😟

[TigerLynx]

4 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Oh yeah, that's right. Hmm, now that Hope is married to Thomas though I wonder if Steffy will fall in line with the "you must do your wifely duties" train of thought? For sure Thomas and Ridge will be riding that train, hard.

Absolutely. I wouldn't be surprised though if Wyatt tries that tack because his whole fantasy of Flo will be falling apart. Liam AFAIC will have zero excuse not to tell Hope right away. Odds are though she won't believe him. 😟

I have some sympathy for Steffy, Liam, and Hope when it comes to Phoebe/Beth.  The rest of their personal lives, however, not so much.  Steffy should have followed through, and stayed off this merry-go-round.  Hope was already bailing on Liam before Thomas returned.  Liam could have moved in with Wyatt instead of Steffy.

When the truth is revealed, I wish Steffy would do the right thing (since no one else in this idiotic SL has), and give Phoebe/Beth to Hope.  Liam should tell Hope he doesn't want to get back together because the first time things get difficult, he believes Hope will bail again.  Steffy should pack up Liam's stuff, and send him to Wyatt's.  Then all three of them should move on with other people.  The writers can reunite Liam and Hope in a couple of years if they want to, but leave Steffy out of it.  This won't happen, but it should.

[Ohwell]

1 hour ago, TigerLynx said:

Liam should tell Hope he doesn't want to get back together because the first time things get difficult, he believes Hope will bail again. 

And she will.  I know he loves her, but there'll be more pain if they get back together.

[Joimiaroxeu]

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When the truth is revealed, I wish Steffy would do the right thing (since no one else in this idiotic SL has), and give Phoebe/Beth to Hope.  Liam should tell Hope he doesn't want to get back together because the first time things get difficult, he believes Hope will bail again.

Hope is clearly mentally ill, whether it's PPD or whatever. I hope Steffy and Liam don't just handle Beth over to Hope and magically expect her issues to disappear. Hope needs to learn to stop using children as crutches for her emotional problems. She needs therapy or I'm not sure Beth will be safe with her. I think in the short run she'll be overwhelmed and perhaps Liam should go back to her at least for a while to look out for the baby. (Also, won't their annulment be nullified and they'll return to being married legally? The reason for the annulment was the failure to produce a child and that will become an invalid excuse.)

[TigerLynx]

52 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Hope is clearly mentally ill, whether it's PPD or whatever. I hope Steffy and Liam don't just handle Beth over to Hope and magically expect her issues to disappear. Hope needs to learn to stop using children as crutches for her emotional problems. She needs therapy or I'm not sure Beth will be safe with her. I think in the short run she'll be overwhelmed and perhaps Liam should go back to her at least for a while to look out for the baby. (Also, won't their annulment be nullified and they'll return to being married legally? The reason for the annulment was the failure to produce a child and that will become an invalid excuse.)

If Steffy wants to help Hope with Phoebe/Beth, she can, although I think that would be very difficult for her.  Hope has other people that can help her with Phoebe/Beth.  I don't want Steffy to end up in a custody battle for Phoebe/Beth, and if anyone tries to accuse Steffy of stealing Hope's baby, I hope she kicks their collective asses.  Of course, I would like it if Phoebe/Beth is just Phoebe, not Hope's stolen baby.  Then Liam and Hope can go look for their daughter, and Steffy can move on with her life.

[Gam2]

As the mother of a daughter, even if I didn’t know about PhoBeth, I’d have thrown my daughter in my car and driven her very far away until I could call a psychiatrist to admit her on a 5150. To watch Brooke sit there and watch this travesty set my hair on fire. I know this is a fantasy soap opera but the writing has become so enraging that it makes me nuts.

[Joimiaroxeu]

Flo, stop trying to make us feel sorry for you! This all could've been over months ago if you weren't such a greedy coward. 😒

On top of eveything else, maybe Carter should lose his law license over that criminal adoption when the truth comes out. Maybe Taylor should sue to get her money back since he clearly did not do due diligence. Looks like Liam already found something off about those adoption papers. 😑

Edited July 25, 2019 by Joimiaroxeu

[CharlizeCat]

I watched today's episode on cbs.com at was preempted here for the Mueller testimony. Not about to let that nonsense RUIN MY SOAP (and get off my lawn while you're at it! LOL!)

Here's what happened in a nutshell:

Brooke found Hope sleeping on the living room sofa. (I still can't believe these huge mansions only have a handful of bedrooms and wouldn't Hope still have a room there?) Anyway, Brooke was take aback at the situation and thus began yet another circular argument about how Hope didn't need to marry Thomas in order to be a maternal figure to Douglas. Brooke even went so far as to suggest that she call Carter in the morning to began annulment proceedings. (I would love to be a fly on the wall in Carter's office when he gets these constant requests for Forrester-Logan-Spencer-Avant et al weddings, divorces and annulments, etc.) Brooke tried again to tell Hope that Hope and Liam could try to have another child together. Then Hope said (again) that she wouldn't survive another lost child and that the main reason why she married Thomas was to break her (she admitted) unhealthy attachment to Phoebeth. She tried to make Brooke understand that Hope has this indescribable bond with Phoebeth. Brooke didn't really know how to react and then there was a cut to Hope lying on the sofa crying and having flashbacks about her months of pregnancy shared with Liam. Yes. I agree that Brooke needs to get firm and insist that Hope get some professional help and not from Lippy Quack or James.

Wyatt tried and tried to get Flo to open up to him as to why she was so upset. She kept blubbering that she was afraid she would lose Wyatt if she told him, blah blah blah, even though Wyatt kept reassuring her. In the midst, Flo received another threatening text from Thomas (who was obviously frustrated and cranky, gee wonder why?) That, of course, broke the confession momentum. Then, Flo mentioned going back to Vegas (I SWEAR that if the writers let her also get off the hook by fleeing, I'M GONNA BE PISSED!) She was tearfully rambling on about how she wanted to experience so much in her future. She said, "get married, have a baby ... "  That was it. Nails in her coffin. Wyatt picked up on that immediately and jumped right in.  The best Flo could do was stammer carefully chosen words about how "Giving up Phoebe was so difficult. Handing Phoebe to Steffy was the right thing to do at the time," etc., etc.  Then she told a very confused Wyatt that she was tired and wanted to take a shower and go to sleep.

Meanwhile, Liam tried to get information about Flo out of an obviously tired and annoyed Steffy, who snapped that all she knew about Flo was that Flo was Phoebeth's birth mother, Flo is dating Wyatt and is Hope's long-lost cousin. She also pointed out that Flo really hadn't made much efforts at friendship then wondered if Liam was having thoughts that Flo might want to reclaim Phoebeth. Then she flounced off to bed. Wyatt then called Liam and told him about Flo's slip-up, which got Liam to digging around Steffy's house and he found Phoebeth's adoption papers. I think he took a photo of the birth certificate with his phone, then that was the end of the show. 

Soon ... please let this be soon.  I, for one, can't stand another day of Hope crying and moping like a martyr about her current situation, which she is solely responsible for. Nobody, not Dr. Shady, Thomas or anybody, put a gun to her head to make her go through with that sham of a wedding.  I also agree with the poster who said that Hope really is in no condition to resume raising Beth. I still stand firm that she needs some major inpatient psychiatric treatment. 

[TigerLynx]

Brooke not trying harder to get Hope to go to therapy is right up there with the fuckery of Brooke saying marriage was a sacred institution (since when?).  Brooke had no problem chasing after multiple married men when she considered them her destiny.  I guess if Hope were pursuing a guy who was married or engaged to someone else, then Brooke would know what to do.

No one is going to care if Steffy gets hurt if Phoebe/Beth is taken away from her.  If Taylor returns, she will make it all about herself.  Ridge might care for two seconds.  That's about it.  Everyone else will be worried about Hope.  Not saying they shouldn't be worried about Hope, but Liam and Steffy have been hurt by this to.

[Anna Yolei]

Of the three of them, Hope's been the one walking in a fog these entire 8 months, so yeah, they should be worried.

Plus, Steffy got Liam back by default (yet again), so Phoebeth will have served her purpose, save for any paternity reveal about Kelly that might shake out down the road..

That said, it will suck that while Hope will have a support team for her, no one in Steffy's family except maybe Ridge will give a shit. Taylor will make it as another excuse to bash trampy, evil Logans for stealing yet another thing from her family (except no, Taylor was an idiot and the result is the same regardless of Flo's parentage), Thomas of course is more than happy to hide the truth in his persuit of yet another uninterested woman and Ridge? Even if by some miracle we get Steffy doing the right thing without hesitation, you know he'll be pushing her to persue custody so she can keep her "family," IE Liam her carnival prize.

I do feel marginally bad for her on that end.

[CountryGirl]

Any sliver of sympathy I might have had for Hauxdi vanishes when I think about how she couldn't wait until the ashes of "Beth" were cold before she pounced on having her mother buy a toy for Kelly and ploy to get Liam back and couldn't get the "adoption" pushed through fast enough. 

There were red flags all over the place and I said then and I'll say now, I did not expect her or her whackadoo mother to realize the baby was, in fact, Beth, but they sure as shit should have sensed something was OFF in the speed/lack of red tape et al involved. 

I spent more time and consideration adopting my shelter cats than she did adopting a HUMAN.

So nope, I'm not gonna feel sorry for her. 

Also, I don't believe for two seconds that Steffy isn't going to be made out to be an equal victim, if not more so. And I am not here for this shit.

Edited July 25, 2019 by CountryGirl

[CountryGirl]

Can't wait to see Liam fly off to Vegas to find out Flo never birthed a baby there - or anywhere.

[Joimiaroxeu]

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I spent more time and consideration adopting my shelter cats than she did adopting a HUMAN.

IKR? I know these kinds of private adoptions have been done for decades and are mostly legal but I don't see how it's not considered human trafficking. How do you BUY a human being? I want everyone involved in that mess in jail, including Steffy. She knew on some level that adoption was shady even if she did hide behind Taylor's checkbook.

[jenrising]

54 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

I spent more time and consideration adopting my shelter cats than she did adopting a HUMAN.

Yes, let's not forget the history there. She threatened to buy a baby first because Hope didn't want her child around Taylor Quickdraw Hayes and Steffy was determined that Kelly should have a pet sister. 

[CountryGirl]

Poor Douglas.

That sonofabitch better not hurt that precious little boy!

He can die in a fire or fall off a cliff anytime now. Douglas would be much better off.

Edited July 25, 2019 by CountryGirl

[TobinAlbers]

Douglas is the best nemesis Thomas will ever have. Their back and forth was chilling but also kind of funny because when Thomas kept trying to manipulate and threaten Douglas to keep quiet and Douglas was like go on back to New York, Hope will take care of me with Thomas then saying no dice buddy , Hope  will come with me and I’ll leave you here with grandma and grandpa.  Douglas is okay with Thomas taking a powder. Also interesting that Douglas knows his mom is his mom and Hope isn’t his mom and he thinks Liam is cool which Thomas soooo didn’t like.

Douglas purposefully is making sure he remembers the truth. He’s gonna be the nail in Thomas’ coffin. I’m also at the point that I believe Thomas had a hand in Caroline’s death as she probably realized that Thomas was bonkers and was gonna run away with Douglas. It seems like Thomas’ psychosis is going to be that he’s trying to create the perfect family for Douglas that he feels he didn’t have with Taylor and Ridge. Caroline wasn’t cooperative so she had to go and so Thomas moved back home looking for the next contestant and found her in Hope. He’s doing everything in his power to make this family happen and thinks if I just do this, then it’ll all fall into place.

Just realized that this version of Thomas reminds me of Joe from (Lifetime/Netflix) YOU. 

[nkotb]

Yeah, Thomas is done. I can't see how they can bring him back from all of his misdeeds: rape, manipulating, accessory-to-murder, paternity secrets, drugging, & threats. However, all of those can't hold a candle to him threatening to abandon his own child, threatening to harm his child, & viciously reminding his child that his mother is dead & Hope is his mommy now. I'm hoping this is his exit story. I still think they can change Douglas' paternity & make him Ridge's child, but as long as Terrible Tom is gone, I don't care. 

I was actually relieved that the hospital administrator didn't just up & give Liam all of Flo's personal info. She actually followed HIPAA so far. 

[CountryGirl]

I honestly do not know why they went to the trouble of recasting Thomas only to go this route of apparently no return.

He is a legacy character FFS and was someone I rooted for under PF's capable craft with an assist from CH's Sally 2.0. 

I guess they just had to up the ante with the already ridiculous nightmare that has been the past seven months since the baby swap.

And so help me, if they go the brain tumor route...ala Y&R's JT (and don't get me started on how they thoroughly ruined the young man with a heart of gold who saved Colleen from the fire at Gina's into the retconn BS towards the end of his last run), I will cut a bitch.

[TigerLynx]

Steffy didn't get Liam back.  Hope tossed Liam aside, and told him to go be with Steffy, and Liam still wants Hope.  I do like the irony of - with Steffy proposing to Hope for Liam, and Hope sending Liam back to Steffy - that Liam doesn't have to waffle anymore.  Steffy and Hope are perfectly happy to swat the ping pong ball back and forth themselves now.

Lots of nice people pay thousands for a baby via private adoption, fertility treatments, surrogacy, etc.  It's not uncommon at all for several different couples to be competing for a baby, and for the bio parents to choose the highest bidder.  It doesn't make it right, but it happens legally all over the world.

Where are the writers going with Thomas?  I know none of these characters ever pay for what they do, but Thomas is a whole new level of despicable.

I wonder if the writers would be horrible enough to have Douglas kill Thomas?

Edited July 25, 2019 by TigerLynx

[TobinAlbers]

58 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

And so help me, if they go the brain tumor route...ala Y&R's JT (and don't get me started on how they thoroughly ruined the young man with a heart of gold who saved Colleen from the fire at Gina's into the retconn BS towards the end of his last run), I will cut a bitch.

If they go the brain tumor route , the better twist would be Thomas is still as nuts and conniving after the surgery. The man is just cracked through and through.

[SiouxB]

On 7/21/2019 at 7:30 PM, SiouxB said:

I hope every day that Beth will be on....

She is the only one worth watching...

When she said mama and then smiled, I almost lost it

I had to quote myself because I need to amend this post....

... IMO, there are TWO characters that are worth watching.... Beth ....

and now Douglas..

He was fantastic today and he really gave it to Thomas and has more brains than anyone in this whole debacle....I hope he’s the one that ultimately blows this thing skyhigh......

Would love to see Hope and Liam raising Beth AND Douglas !

[Joimiaroxeu]

Is Steffy modeling her look after the K Klan?

It's a wonder Ridge's grown-ass kids can manage in life at all without his constant running around strong-arming the people who have valid reasons not to like them. No, d-bag, you're the one who'll have to face that you were indeed wrong about Thomas. A wrecking ball of reality is heading your way.

Yes! Phoebeth's adoption stunk like week-old fish left in the sun and detective Liam is on the scent like a bloodhound.

And now Thomas is gaslighting his own child. Yo, Tom? Physically abusing Douglas is probably not the way you want to go. Not on top of the emotional abuse.

Spumors are afloat that Thomas is on steroids, which supposedly accounts for his overdeveloped body and his emotional outbursts. Meh. I'm still voting for straight up evil. I think his thought processes and actions are too deliberate and calculated for them to beyond his control because of drugs.

Edited July 25, 2019 by Joimiaroxeu

[ByaNose]

So, now Thomas is threatening his 5 year old son?!?! WTF. I know it’s a soap but it’s kind of creepy.

[mightysparrow]

12 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

Any sliver of sympathy I might have had for Hauxdi vanishes when I think about how she couldn't wait until the ashes of "Beth" were cold before she pounced on having her mother buy a toy for Kelly and ploy to get Liam back and couldn't get the "adoption" pushed through fast enough. 

There were red flags all over the place and I said then and I'll say now, I did not expect her or her whackadoo mother to realize the baby was, in fact, Beth, but they sure as shit should have sensed something was OFF in the speed/lack of red tape et al involved. 

I spent more time and consideration adopting my shelter cats than she did adopting a HUMAN.

So nope, I'm not gonna feel sorry for her. 

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Also, I don't believe for two seconds that Steffy isn't going to be made out to be an equal victim, if not more so. And I am not here for this shit.

Thank you for that TIMELY reminder.  Hauxdilox might be angling for Mother-of-the-Year but lest we all forget that Phobeth was bought and paid for in order to get Liam back in Hauxdi's bed.  As far as I'm concerned, Hauxdi got her money's worth and she'll be okay if Hope gets Phoebe as long as she can keep her talons firmly dug in Liam. Let's not forget that both Hauxdi and Thomas are Ridge and Taylor's children and come by their 'qualities' honestly.

Hauxdi will undoubtedly be upset when she loses Phoebeth but that's what happens when you engage in human trafficking, which is what BUYING a baby is.

[Petunia13]

Seeing Thomas twist his 5 yr old son’s arm and threaten him passes as content now. Remember when this show used to be about fashion, that was cute. 

[Anna Yolei]

8 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

Douglas is the best nemesis Thomas will ever have. Their back and forth was chilling but also kind of funny because when Thomas kept trying to manipulate and threaten Douglas to keep quiet and Douglas was like go on back to New York, Hope will take care of me with Thomas then saying no dice buddy , Hope  will come with me and I’ll leave you here with grandma and grandpa.  Douglas is okay with Thomas taking a powder. Also interesting that Douglas knows his mom is his mom and Hope isn’t his mom and he thinks Liam is cool which Thomas soooo didn’t like.

I didn't watch today for my own sanity, but it sounds a whole lot like TPTB are setting up for a Lope adoption of Douglas (which who the fuck knows, they might go through with killing Thomas off after all!). Honestly, the kid could do worse than be raised by Liam. He's a spineless jellyfish more often than not, but he has a decent moral compass when he's out of Steffy's orbit. I dig it...and if Taylor shreiks and cries over it, too damn bad.

8 hours ago, nkotb said:

Yeah, Thomas is done. I can't see how they can bring him back from all of his misdeeds: rape, manipulating, accessory-to-murder, paternity secrets, drugging, & threats. However, all of those can't hold a candle to him threatening to abandon his own child, threatening to harm his child, & viciously reminding his child that his mother is dead & Hope is his mommy now. I'm hoping this is his exit story. I still think they can change Douglas' paternity & make him Ridge's child, but as long as Terrible Tom is gone, I don't care. 

With the sole exception of Adam Newman, I've never seen a soap character threaten a child and survive into the next season. There's plenty of revisions I can site about his other misdeeds--hell, THE golden couple of the 1980s began as a rape that was backpedaled once the writers realized Luke and Laura were ratings gold--but doing shit like this to children? That's Sheila Carter territory. That's not an exaggeration....she literally groomed Erica/Mary into stalking and invading Rick's life, but she was old enough to finally cut ties and Sheila was carted off to prison at the end.

That said, Ridge doesn't need another son to fuck up. Between Thomas and the twerp RJ, his stock is very obviously defective. 😂

7 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

honestly do not know why they went to the trouble of recasting Thomas only to go this route of apparently no return.

To be fair, I doubt the baboons in the miserable joke of a writers' room know either.

It just dawned on me that for the very first time this decade, I cannot predict the way this story is going to end. I mean, we all could take a guess that Liam would sleep with Steffy if not the quickie Aspen wedding or assume Brooke and Bill would get close after Katie ran off, but the way this story is spirling out of control feels more like the "subverting expectations" fad sweeping across every part of Hollywood right now.

It's be one thing for a fairly newish legacy child like Adam Newman or Paul's son Ricky to get this sort of treatment, but this is Thomas. The oldest son of their longest standing male lead and the only son of a major pairing who has lost one child already. He's been a part of the show. I've never cared for the character who's always been an entitled jackass like his father, but they can lean into that without turning him into a cartoon villain.

6 minutes ago, Petunia13 said:

Seeing Thomas twist his 5 yr old son’s arm and threaten him passes as content now. Remember when this show used to be about fashion, that was cute. 

Pepperidge Farms remembers. 😥

[TigerLynx]

If the writers are going with Thomas is taking steroids and experiencing roid rage, then once again they have failed at the research for and the execution of this story.  Unless they want me to want Douglas to smash Thomas' face in.

Steffy didn't adopt a baby to spite Hope, and she didn't use the baby to get Liam back.  Hope shoved Liam out the door.  Both Liam and Steffy told Hope that her ending her marriage to Liam wouldn't necessarily result in Liam and Steffy getting back together.

This entire story seems like overkill.  The writers not only have Hope believe her baby died, but Steffy adopts the baby, Zoe, Flo and Xander could have ended the misery months ago, but didn't, Emma dies, Hope marries a psycho who is threatening his own child, etc.  What is the point of all this?

[Anna Yolei]

Yeah, roid rage doesn't manifest like this, no more than bipolar disorder makes people switch paternity tests all the other shit Sharon did between 2008 and 2016. It also conveniently wipes away the fact that Thomas has been absolutely horrible for nearly his entire adult life. He wasn't on steroids when he blew up Rick's car or lied about boinking Brooke to get Stephanie's shares. Fuck him.

[CountryGirl]

The one bright spot I can see of late is what a fine actor Henry Joseph Samiri is. The little clip I saw since I'm still on strike as far as watching an entire episode shows he's got more talent than a lot of adults on soaps these days.

And I love him calling Thomas out on his shit. 

But ugh to him being grabbed and hurt and threatened by the father who is supposed to love and care for him.

I'm convinced now more than ever that Thomas offed Caroline.

Edited July 26, 2019 by CountryGirl

[RedRockRosie]

1 hour ago, CountryGirl said:

The one bright spot I can see of late is what a fine actor Henry Joseph Samiri is. The little clip I saw since I'm still on strike as far as watching an entire episode shows he's got more talent than a lot of adults on soaps these days.

I agree. No wonder Hope fell in love with this adorable little guy- who wouldn't? Too bad he has such a deplorable creepy ragey worthless sociopath as a father!!

[DeafAngelboy23]

The first breadcrumb is being picked up... 

[CountryGirl]

And so it begins...

Debating whether to tune back in next week or wait until the following.

Decisions, decisions.

Edited July 26, 2019 by CountryGirl

[Gam2]

Oh, the writers will find a way to royally screw this up next week, never fear. We can skip 2-4 weeks before anything of interest happens again.

[SiouxB]

A great day because both Douglas AND Beth were in the episode and then they even shared a scene together !!

Flo & Zoe shared scenes as well but Douglas & Beth made more sense (even with only one of them able to speak !!)

[Gam2]

If I never see Flo and Zoe and Thomas again, it will be too soon. And send the cops over to London to find that bastard Reese and then to Las Vegas to arrest Shauna.

[Joimiaroxeu]

No, Steffy, you and Liam don't "have" Phoebeth. You and Liam are not married (or even an official couple) and as far as you know Liam has no relation to Beth at all.

I strongly appreciate how much self-confidence Douglas has in his own perception, despite someone he should be able to trust telling him to lie and deny his reality. He's a tough little kid.

Oh snap, that "how ya like me now?" look Douglas gave Thomas after he asked Hope if Beth's name had always been Phoebe! Go Douglas!

Hope. The price of being a mother figure to Douglas doesn't have to be your vaginal cavity! FFS! Why does no one just tell her she sounds like she's out of her mind? 😲

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and she didn't use the baby to get Liam back

Except for the part where people have kept referring to Liam as Beth's daddy and Steffy has never corrected them. I think it's exactly what she wanted, to upstage Hope with two babies that, oh woe, she had to struggle to raise all on her own. Steffy the millionaire who could afford a team of nannies for both kids. Hope bought into it and sent Liam back to her because gosh those poor babies needed a daddy to help raise them! (Meanwhile, I guess the girls would've been SOL if Hope's baby hadn't "died." 😑 This whole storyline is killing brain cells from coast to coast.)

[TobinAlbers]

Whatever happens, we need to keep Douglas. I really want to see this kid as a sassy teen in 10 years that adores his momma Hope and is buds with his on again/off again step-daddy Liam. Can you imagine Bill mentoring this kid? Sadly, I think Karen will claim him to try to counter all the Forrester genes and ‘save him’ from the Forresters - which she would have a point.

[CharlizeCat]

Here it comes. Amazing how a 5-year-old boy has the balls to do what SIX adults were too cowardly and unwilling to follow through on.

Yeah, I also loved the F-U to Thomas when Douglas asked Aunt Steffy if Phoebe had always been Phoebeth's name. Hee!

So it appears that this is going to drag on for yet another week. Seriously, SEVEN MONTHS for this? This could have been easily wrapped up in 2-3 tops. At least four months were wasted with daily repetitive conversation. Brad Bell gets no props in my book for crafting suspense. RASPBERRY! (I know I am preaching to the choir.) 

I feel exhausted and let down. Where does the show go from here?

Unrelated note, what was the random scene the other day when Sludge just busted in on Flo while she was working to sing Thomas' praises? It was completely out of left field and made no sense. Flo's disapproval of the Thope union might be obvious, but she hasn't gone around and openly bad-mouthed Thomas to anybody. I will give her that much credit. He came across and menacing and thug-like and I didn't understand why. All it did for Flo was probably reiterate that where Thomas is concerned, the apple didn't fall far from the tree. ???? 

I hope the next major storyline is the final blow-up of Bridge and that it turns out that Bill is Kelly's father. I would be very happy to not see Hope, Liam, either of those babies, Zoe or Flo until about 2021.

BTW, is there an age limit for the Best Younger Actor Emmy category? That kid who plays Douglas definitely deserves a run at a nom.

[tricknasty]

Hope and Thomas are starring in a new sitcom, you guys.  It's titled: "101 ways to avoid kissing and having sex with your husband." And it is a complete comedy. I can't wait to see what excuses she comes up with during their little 'honeymoon'.

[TessHarding2]

That little actor "gets" what his character is doing and thinking.  If his parents or acting coach is explaining it to him, well, he's really intelligent.

[Anna Yolei]

2 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

Whatever happens, we need to keep Douglas. I really want to see this kid as a sassy teen in 10 years

Pfffft. Good luck with that. Apart from Aly, none of the teens since Rick and Bridget have given their parents the grief they so richly deserve. Hope was mad about her paternity for all of two minutes and it got blown over faster than it took me to get processed into the Navy the week it aired.

The only good thing ATWT did in it's last years was show how the parents' behavior directly affected their children and say so. One of my faves was Parker Munson dragging Carly and Jack for their shit. I need Douglas to be that level of extra towards dear ol' dad, and if he shuts down Taylor's Logan histrionics and Ridge's...Ridgeness in the process, even better.

2 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

BTW, is there an age limit for the Best Younger Actor Emmy category? That kid who plays Douglas definitely deserves a run at a nom.

IIRC, Camryn Grimes wasn't a teenager when she was nominated.

He deserves it more than the interns would will undoubtably be posted up for pre-noms next year.

2 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

I feel exhausted and let down. Where does the show go from here?

That's the $64,000 question, isn't it? 

Like I said in my last post, I can't make a guess where the story will go because nothing makes sense. Not even the worst baby switch stories I've watched before this felt this draggy and dull, not even the one where Sage died two minutes after finding out Sharon had her son and the story carried out for another three months from there. At least there, I remember Dylan and Sharon having conversations that weren't about the baby and Nick didn't spend the entire time after Christian's death being all but catatonic.

2 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

I hope the next major storyline is the final blow-up of Bridge

I've had Nokia phones in the 2000s that were easier to permanently destroy than Bridge appear to be. 😕 They'll outlive Betty White, the Queen, the 2006 Prius your Uber driver picked you up in and the cockroaches that survive nuclear Armageddon.

i won't ask for miracles but I'd love it if they never have another story where they split up over their children again.

2 hours ago, tricknasty said:

Hope and Thomas are starring in a new sitcom, you guys.  It's titled: "101 ways to avoid kissing and having sex with your husband." And it is a complete comedy. I can't wait to see what excuses she comes up with during their little 'honeymoon'.

She can pull a move from Aleida from Orange is the New Black and tell Thomas she's been on her period....for three weeks 🤣

[TigerLynx]

3 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

Whatever happens, we need to keep Douglas. I really want to see this kid as a sassy teen in 10 years that adores his momma Hope and is buds with his on again/off again step-daddy Liam. Can you imagine Bill mentoring this kid? Sadly, I think Karen will claim him to try to counter all the Forrester genes and ‘save him’ from the Forresters - which she would have a point.

Karen, Ridge, Taylor, and Steffy would have more of a claim than Hope.

3 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

Here it comes. Amazing how a 5-year-old boy has the balls to do what SIX adults were too cowardly and unwilling to follow through on.

Which just underscores what spineless selfish worms Zoe, Flo, Xander and Thomas are.

There are so many things to dislike in this SL, but what's annoying me right now is it looks like it's going to be resolved by Liam saving Hope from Thomas.  Is Hope going to get to call Zoe and Flo out on not telling the truth MONTHS ago?  Will Hope get to react at all, or will it just be poor helpless Hope has to be saved?

It's to bad the writers never followed through on making Steffy and Hope closer (no I don't think a few scenes with the babies, or Steffy being Hope's maid of honor count all that much) because seeing Steffy and Hope kick Zoe and Flo's asses would have been fun.

[Petunia13]

Douglas and PhoBeth are the best actors on the show right now. 

Whenever Ally or Bridget are brought up all I think of is wasted storyline potential and how this show refuses to allow women agency or personality in blind allegiance to triangles of doom. 

Also, I am high repulsed by Thomas. I hate him more than Taylor, Pam & Charlie, and Zencole combined. It’s like Spinal Tap. “Ok he’s been rapey but let’s add manipulating a borderline suicidal grieving woman, and abetting stealing her baby, and threatening abandonment, verbally abusing, and twisting the arm of his 5 yr old son.”  (Sets meter pst max to 11).  One of the most disgusting lead dads on soaps, almost if not, as bad as Dan on One Tree Hill. He could die for all I care and Ridge if he’s forgiven for cape-ing for this piece of SHIT is done for me too. Brooke needs to squint so hard he shatters like glass. 

[mightysparrow]

19 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

No, Steffy, you and Liam don't "have" Phoebeth. You and Liam are not married (or even an official couple) and as far as you know Liam has no relation to Beth at all.

...

Except for the part where people have kept referring to Liam as Beth's daddy and Steffy has never corrected them. I think it's exactly what she wanted, to upstage Hope with two babies that, oh woe, she had to struggle to raise all on her own. Steffy the millionaire who could afford a team of nannies for both kids. Hope bought into it and sent Liam back to her because gosh those poor babies needed a daddy to help raise them! (Meanwhile, I guess the girls would've been SOL if Hope's baby hadn't "died." 😑 This whole storyline is killing brain cells from coast to coast.)

That's why Hauxdi was so hot to buy...oops, adopt...a baby to begin with.  Kelly wasn't enough to get Liam back so she was going for two.    All the talk about wanting Kelly to experience growing up with a sister like Hauxdi did with Phoebe is bullshit.  When was the last time she mentioned her sister.  She didn't even consider naming her child after Phoebe; HOPE did that.  Hauxdi named her child after Liam's mother in the one millionth attempt to get Liam back.

Let's not forget how much time Taylor spent moaning about how tired she was of the Logan's 'winning', especially to Dr. Reece.  Taylor's offer of $250,000 for the first baby he could produce is probably what pushed Reece over the edge from being a sleazy piece of shit to human trafficker.  Hope was passed out on the table and Taylor's offer flashed through his head.  He put the plan together and the rest is history.  Hauxdilox and Taylor aren't responsible for what Reece and Flo did, but their unquenchable thirst is what started this whole shitshow.  Of course that won't stop Hauxdilox for playing like she's the biggest martyr since Joan of Arc.

Edited July 27, 2019 by mightysparrow

[TigerLynx]

If Bridget, Ally, and Phoebe were still on the show, they would be stuck in some stupid triangle to, and would constantly be stabbed in the back by their own relatives.  I hated that not only was poor Bridget screwed over by Brooke and Katie, but Bridget was just supposed to forgive the selfish lying cheating bitches.  I also don't believe for one moment that nice sweet beautiful young Bridget would have lost out to the whining shrieking harpies.

Dr. Reece was desperate for money.  He would have sold Hope's baby to someone else which would have been a better story.  The reason Steffy ended up with PhoebeBeth is so Brad Bell can continue the triangle from hell.  In the end, this SL is going to lead back to Steffy/Liam/Hope in some stupid form or another.  Thomas wasn't needed in this SL either.  Liam and Hope believing their baby died, finding out she was alive, and trying to find her would have been the better story especially if it had saved us from months of Zoe, Xander, and Flo arguing about what to do, and then never doing anything.

[RedRockRosie]

I just keep wondering how poor baby Kelly is going to feel when she grows up. (Another adorable little girl with the most stunning eyes!) I mean they all act like Kelly barely exists. Its just Phoebeth, Phoebeth, Phoebeth ever since the day Steffy bought brought her home.

So...7+ months on this one storyline with nothing else in the pipeline to pick up when they end this torture. Great writing & storytelling guys. <sarcasm font> Way to plan ahead. I wonder if they even knew how long this mess would drag on when they killed/switched Hope's baby or that Thomas was gonna come along & be BSC.  (Do shows even do story bibles like in the old days or do they just make this crap up as they go??)

OMG I'll just be so glad when they finally free ALL of us from this mess!