B&B: What's Up Today at Forrester Creations? - Daily Chat

[nkotb]

2 things from the show today...

1.  Cool opening credits. 

2.  I sometimes forget that Kevin Arnold's mom's is the daughter of Rose Nylund.

Who wants to make bets on whether or not Pam's damned wedding happens? I'm getting the drift that it may not happen.  

[Petunia13]

Probably she will have an accident and Quinn will be blamed.  

[Anna Yolei]

21 hours ago, Gam2 said:

This show seems like a throw back to the 1970’s in the way it treats women and the way it portrays men thinking of women as only sexual conquests. Writers, Producers and Directors:  It’s 2018 almost 2019. Enough said.

Thing is, the show wasn't even this regressive back in 1987, when it frigging premeired. The whole story about Caroline's attack was so good because it stayed squarely about her agency. She didn't instantly forgive Ridge of pressuring her about sex and she told Bill Sr to stuff itabout using this as a way to get her back home. Taylor and even Brooke on occasion were allowed to call Ridge out on his behavior, Kristen and Felicia had their goals and there was Sally who had her own tricks up her sleeve who finally put her foot down to Clarke about his disrespecting her.

But today? Women are basically put on ice to prop worthless ass men. Katie's not even allowed to be an active player in her own son's custody hearing....a role played by a veteran of nearly 3 decades in this industry no less, who was carrying lead stories before graduating high school. What fresh hell is this?

[Waldo13]

Yes Ridge,Bill threw the first punch, but you didn't tell Brooke what you said to cause Bill to throw the first punch?

Ridge is turning into the hulk. Not in stature but in anger and color. He pursued his pregnant daughter?  Was she pregnant at that time or is Bill the real father?  This sounds like a prelude to another story line. 

Ridge is even more emboldened by Bill not pressing charges. Telling Bill to stay away from Brooke is just going to make Bill pursue her even more. Bill is a Stallion and Ridge is just a horse's ass. 

[nasir jones]

I feel like today was an episode no one asked for.

[Gam2]

Me too. Sigh.

[A-Lo]

1 hour ago, nasir jones said:

I feel like today was an episode no one asked for.

I have to admit, though, that I enjoyed the flashback scene of Stephanie and Pam with their mom on her deathbed (er...deathbeach).  At one time on this show, genuine feelings were shown.  Or maybe the acting was just better.  

[CharlizeCat]

I agree. You can't really go wrong with Aly Mills, Susan Flannery and Betty White (even playing "dead.")  Sure beats the hell out of Emma, Zoey and Xander.  That said, this was an episode that really didn't need to be aired. I think CBS is still trying to play catch-up from being pre-empted several weeks ago and could have easily skipped this one. That's why the Friday cliffhangers have been off in time.

Brooke acts like she's really afraid of Ridge. (You never saw that with old Ridge.) I think I have been confusing genuine fear with subservience. She still is being way too "Stepford" for my liking, but understand a little better now where she's coming from. I think she'll do/say anything to not provoke him.

Quinn has more resolve than I have. If Pam had barged into my house uninvited and mouthed off at me like that, I would have thrown her out and told her under no circumstances was she getting married at my house, then I would have thrown Stephanie's portrait out of the house along with Pam.  To hell with Eric.

Edited October 31, 2018 by CharlizeCat

[TigerLynx]

6 minutes ago, CharlizeCat said:

Brooke acts like she's really afraid of Ridge. (You never saw that with old Ridge.) I think I have been confusing genuine fear with subservience. She still is being way too "Stepford" for my liking, but understand a little better now where she's coming from. I think she'll do/say anything to not provoke him.

Brooke's original story with Ridge was pretty much Brooke wanted Ridge, and she wanted to get him away from Caroline and Taylor.  I don't know what they are going for with new Ridge, but I thought the reason Brooke put up with Ridge's crap was because she was obsessed with having him.  If Brooke is afraid of Ridge, she can dump him, and run to Bill, or hire bodyguards.  The idea that Brooke stays with Ridge out of fear goes against 30 years of Brooke begging Ridge to be with her while Ridge dumps Brooke to be with some other woman.

[Gam2]

Really Ridge? You had to go back once again to Bill’s room (in the ER still?) and threaten him to stay away from YOUR possession? What a weenie. I despise what this character has become and despise how this actor is portraying him. SPEAK UP, NEEDLE.  Or is he THREAD? I commented on another thread that there are other whisperers on other shows: Cane on Y&R and Sam on GH. Makes me nuts!

[CharlizeCat]

I wasn't speaking in retrospective terms. Brooke acting like she's afraid of Ridge has just seemed to be a recent occurrence. I, and others who have posted here, have pointed out that Ridge was been verbally abusive to Brooke. He also is prone to violent behavior (not to Brooke) but towards other men and he also has bursts of rage where he does stuff like throw things around the office or knock everything off the desk onto the floor. He also goes ballistic at the mere mention of Bill's name. It's OTT very aggressive and scary behavior.

[Joimiaroxeu]

Lemme get this straight: If I go over to someone's home, goad them into punching me, and then try to kill them in return, I can escape criminal charges merely because they threw the first punch? OK, good to know.

Bill, maybe you should not want to be a guy who wears a miniature letter opener as a necklace. You must have been the laughing stock of LA with that thing.

IMO, Quinn should insist that the Forrester mansion get out of the wedding chapel business altogether. I think it's ridiculous how everybody expects gets married there. It not as if it's some kind of historical site or a castle or something. If anything there seems to be a lot of bad karma in that living room. How many of the marriages which began in that room have lasted more than a couple of years? And how many people have been married multiple times to several different people in that room? It's ridiculous.

[Gam2]

Totally agree. That wedding venue is the kiss of death. The writers have just run out of ideas to make this show interesting. 

[TigerLynx]

29 minutes ago, Gam2 said:

Really Ridge? You had to go back once again to Bill’s room (in the ER still?) and threaten him to stay away from YOUR possession? What a weenie. I despise what this character has become and despise how this actor is portraying him. SPEAK UP, NEEDLE.  Or is he THREAD? I commented on another thread that there are other whisperers on other shows: Cane on Y&R and Sam on GH. Makes me nuts!

Which is completely different from RM's Ridge whose response to another guy being in the picture is to dump who he is with, and immediately move on to someone new or old.

26 minutes ago, CharlizeCat said:

I wasn't speaking in retrospective terms. Brooke acting like she's afraid of Ridge has just seemed to be a recent occurrence. I, and others who have posted here, have pointed out that Ridge was been verbally abusive to Brooke. He also is prone to violent behavior (not to Brooke) but towards other men and he also has bursts of rage where he does stuff like throw things around the office or knock everything off the desk onto the floor. He also goes ballistic at the mere mention of Bill's name. It's OTT very aggressive and scary behavior.

TK is a horrible recast.  I didn't like RM's Ridge, but he wasn't a violent lunatic.  There were a few violent physical confrontations with other guys, but Ridge was the loser in a few of them.  At any rate, while I never understood Brooke's obsession with RM's Ridge, Brooke or any woman being with TK's Ridge makes even less sense.

[CRT]

I was pleasantly surprised to see the flashback. Until recently, using a flashback featuring actors not in the episode would've required paying Susan Flannery and Betty White the same fee they got for the original episode, but as of July 1, the actresses only have to be paid the daytime minimum fee for use of the flashback.

[bittersweet4149]

5 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

But today? Women are basically put on ice to prop worthless ass men. Katie's not even allowed to be an active player in her own son's custody hearing....a role played by a veteran of nearly 3 decades in this industry no less, who was carrying lead stories before graduating high school. What fresh hell is this?

It's Mansoap, and it freaking sucks (see Hospital, General).

Edited November 1, 2018 by bittersweet4149

[drivethroo]

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Where has Donna been living for the past however many years?

Wasn't it mentioned at somebody's wedding or event that Donna was living in Dallas?

[Anna Yolei]

7 hours ago, TigerLynx said:

TK is a horrible recast.  I didn't like RM's Ridge, but he wasn't a violent lunatic.  There were a few violent physical confrontations with other guys, but Ridge was the loser in a few of them.

Of the five TOTAL fights I remeber old Ridge getting into for the fifteen years I watched him:

-One was him with the rest of the me family being livid at Deacon about Bridget

-One was a fight with Massimo when he felt he was trying to come between Steph and Eric

-Two fights involved Rick, who at the time was every bit the selfish entitled prick he accused Ridge of being; one involved serious injury that later was revealed to be faked but Ridge looked worried for in more than a "Oh shit, I might have to talk to police" sort of way I also remember Rick being the instigator in both instances.

-the last one was when Ridge fried Andy like an egg after discovering what he did to Brooke

That Ridge was capable of being a trash bully towards his enemies (he had disgusting choice words for Darla and Amber), but he had a human side to him and I didn't believe he lived for the fight. 

[Petunia13]

How does Bill forgiving Ridge for attacking him prove he's going to be a better father? 

[Ohwell]

"Dead" Betty White looked like she was on the verge of cracking up.  I know I was.  I love her!

[A-Lo]

You know who has the best chemistry on this show?  Ridge and Bill.  I didn't mind Ridge returning to Bill's room (even though it was a stupid-ass thing to do) because it gave us more of them interacting.  And made me kinda like Bill again, something I thought would never happen after all the Stuffy nonsense.

[nkotb]

That's the absolute truth, @A-Lo. TK's Ridge is a non-charming ass, as opposed to DD's $Bill, who's charming with occasional-ass-tendencies (he's my favorite, though). However, together, they have amazing chemistry. 

Pam's unhinging makes me uncomfortable to watch. It's not entertaining, it's just unsettling.

[Gam2]

Yeah, it looks as if Pam’s meds aren’t working for her anymore. She was way, way over the top in her actions/reactions today. I think even Quinn was starting to feel sorry for her and Eric is looking concerned too. 

[Waldo13]

Today's episode was sponsored by the letter A for animus. Ridge and Eric towards Bill and especially Pam towards Eric. Yes I said Eric but Pam is channeling this through Quinn. Pam can't stand that Eric replaced her beloved Stephanie with Quinn.  How dare he love another woman. How dare he get remarried. Pam wanted Eric to sit on a couch, with a blanket on his lap, and look at Stephanie's portrait reminiscing about his life with her. Pam wanted to take care of Eric, feed him, and stuffing him full of lemon bars.  Quinn is the interloper who took Eric away from her world of fantasy.  Pam called Quinn a witch but wasn't Stephanie witchy herself?   

[CharlizeCat]

Stephanie was referred to as Satan-ie around these parts for good reason.

[Joimiaroxeu]

Ugh, I am so over Pam. Her sense of entitlement is ridiculous to me. And why has there been a week of shows devoted to this argument between Quinn and Pam? Who cares where Pam's wedding is?

Pam, Stephanie is dead and the living have moved on. Get over yourself. I'm thinking Quinn should've called the police on that psycho. She seems to be losing her tenuous grasp on her sanity and may become a danger to herself and/or others.

But Bill, you didn't get Steffy. There's a flaw in your thinking, buddy. Like the Rolling Stones sang, you can't always get what you want.

[TigerLynx]

Pam has always been delusional.  As for Eric, he moved on while Stephanie was still alive.  The times Eric did get back together with Stephanie, it was usually by default.  Either his other option left him (Brooke), or was crazier and more dangerous (Sheila) than Stephanie.  Eric has been involved with several other women, but it somewhat followed the same pattern.  Stephanie would always be in the background just waiting to pounce.

[CharlizeCat]

I can't figure out where this is headed with Pam. If I were Quinn, as soon as Pam got the step stool out, I would have been on the phone with 911 or where the hell is the estate security detail?

I don't really see Pam turning back from this. Maybe she will be taken away to a mental hospital and that will be the end of the wedding and hopefully, Pam and Charlie on my screen. 

I was expecting Bill and Ridge to whip out their dicks today and have Justin produce a tape measure. /eyeroll.   Brooke is a fool and in deep denial.

[Joimiaroxeu]

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I was expecting Bill and Ridge to whip out their dicks today and have Justin produce a tape measure.

Justin would probably look at what both of them are working with and just snicker quietly. Maybe they should get Thorne to do the  measuring. ?

[Swiss]

I started watching B&B again about a month ago.  Had been a long time viewer but got sick of the repeat couples.  I'm giving up on it again.   I loathe Ridge, his unkept beard and annoying voice. And the Pam character is just too out there..lock her up.  Maybe I'll tune in when the big earthquake hits and see who is still left standing at Forrester Creations..

Edited November 2, 2018 by Swiss

[Petunia13]

3 hours ago, TigerLynx said:

Pam has always been delusional.  As for Eric, he moved on while Stephanie was still alive.  The times Eric did get back together with Stephanie, it was usually by default.  Either his other option left him (Brooke), or was crazier and more dangerous (Sheila) than Stephanie.  Eric has been involved with several other women, but it somewhat followed the same pattern.  Stephanie would always be in the background just waiting to pounce.

Eric was cheating on Stephanie in the first episodes of the show! And they always had a tenuous sometimes loathing or manipulative dynamic. Pam has no idea of anything she spouts off about. Of course Eric would moved on he moved on and off since day one of that marriage. 

[Anna Yolei]

I don't understand the point of regressing Pam back either. Just, why?! I agree Pam's wedding doesn't need a whole week dedicated to manufactured drama.

But then, what else would they fill the time with? More ToD? Another go at Statt at Sally's expense? The interns no one gave a shit about? Heaven forbid Maya be allowed to have her own agency and a story independent of being Rick's wife and sounding board. ?

Edited November 2, 2018 by Anna Yolei

[SiouxB]

God, shut UP, Pam !!

...by the end, she was ranting & raving and totally out of control.....

Eric looks like a doddering old fool for not throwing her out of the house , no matter who her sister was

[domi]

Lock up pam in an asylum. She is completely crazy and Quinn is an angel of patience, I would have drowned in the picine!

Please put that eric slack with Donna Logan's little brain.

And that Ridge and Quinn are finally here because they are beautiful together ...

Edited November 2, 2018 by domi

[Cindylou]

16 hours ago, nkotb said:

Pam's unhinging makes me uncomfortable to watch. It's not entertaining, it's just unsettling

I was just coming here to say that!  Damn, they should put video cameras in the house, that way Eric will get to see what Quinn has to deal with and not take Pam's side, because you know he will. 

 

I for one cannot wait for Ridge to that smug grimy ass smile knocked off his face by Bill, Ridge has become one big ball of anger and every day he gets more and more angry and feels more and more entitled to his anger.    I HATE HIM.

[Cool Breeze]

I always hate when a character, in this instance, Brooke, starts gaslighting those who are concerned about her well-being/relationship with "Oh, Bill is just grateful", 'He was just happy that he gets to spend time with his son." 

Brooke knows good and damn well that Bill is after her but she'll remain outwardly dismissive of his intentions until one day, oops, she falls onto his junk.

[smartyshorts]

Wow, this show has become a shell of itself.  And pretty much a shell of any other show too.  Each new episode garners a few comments and that's it.  The storylines are an insult to anyone who tuned in any earlier than the day before. 

Are we supposed to be up in arms about poor fragile Pam being shut down by ice cold lady of the manor, Quinn?  The most I can muster is irritation with Eric.  Does anyone buy this "New Dollah Bill" nonsense?  Until he's at the airport in orange robes playing tambourine, I ain't buying it. Hell, if the only thing that comes out of this storyline is a re-launch of Spectra (including Darla and Saul...but NOT Coco, please) due to Bill's overwhelming guilt then I will count myself lucky.

Sally, Donna, Katie,Carter and maybe Zoey as Intimates line models...with Brooke as the showstopper!

[Gam2]

A nice dinner at Quinn and Eric’s to welcome Donna back to town. And AGAIN, Ridge and Thorne have to bring up Bill and whine about how he threw the first punch. They couldn’t have one nice evening without the boys complaining about big bad Bill? And why in the hell were they eating in the living room? 

[domi]

I love the table plan. Ridge very close to Quinn. Is it coincidence?

[Waldo13]

I love Stuffy's new wig. It's the modern version of a Dutch boy. Square cut but without the bangs.  

Pam and Charlie should just get married at Medieval Times among the other court jesters and the horse shit.  Since the wedding is off, I guess this is a mute point. 

Seeing Sally again has made my week. 

Isn't a little odd to have an intimates show on the beach?  Well since it's in Australia, I hope Ivy shows up. Sally and Ivy would really give meaning to beautiful in The Bold and The Beautiful. 

Ridge has Bill derangement syndrome. This causes diarrhea of the mouth and uncontrollable urination. 

[Joimiaroxeu]

Um, Pam, the house isn't "Eric and Stephanie's" anymore. It's Eric and Quinn's. Come back to this reality.

So was the guy flirting with Steffy a new cast member or just a day player? He was cute either way.

Gee, nutbag Pam can't have her dream wedding so she just calls the whole thing off? I think Charlie either has the patience of a saint or is just stuck with no other options.

[backhometome]

I really dont get this Quinn/Pam drama. Who cares if she doeskin like you Pam get over it. Like why is this bothering her so much. 

[TigerLynx]

4 hours ago, Gam2 said:

A nice dinner at Quinn and Eric’s to welcome Donna back to town. And AGAIN, Ridge and Thorne have to bring up Bill and whine about how he threw the first punch. They couldn’t have one nice evening without the boys complaining about big bad Bill? And why in the hell were they eating in the living room? 

Ridge and Thorne have nothing else to talk about.  To say their lives are pathetic and boring doesn't even begin to cover it.

3 hours ago, domi said:

I love the table plan. Ridge very close to Quinn. Is it coincidence?

It's not a coincidence.  Ridge and Quinn are going to accidentally have sex right about the time Brooke accidentally falls onto Bill's penis.

55 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Um, Pam, the house isn't "Eric and Stephanie's" anymore. It's Eric and Quinn's. Come back to this reality.

So was the guy flirting with Steffy a new cast member or just a day player? He was cute either way.

Gee, nutbag Pam can't have her dream wedding so she just calls the whole thing off? I think Charlie either has the patience of a saint or is just stuck with no other options.

Okay, Pam's insane, but why does no one else point out that Eric and Stephanie were not in love (at least Eric wasn't) let alone the great romance of the century?  Do the writers really think viewers don't remember years of Eric NOT wanting to be with Stephanie, cheating on her for years, leaving her for other women, and all of Stephanie's schemes to hang onto Eric?

[RedRockRosie]

1 hour ago, backhometome said:

I really dont get this Quinn/Pam drama. Who cares if she doeskin like you Pam get over it. Like why is this bothering her so much. 

Because the poor woman (Pam) is seriously unhinged & the writers are rather uncreative...stuck in the idea of there has to be constant conflict to  make any kind of story. It's just plain tedious and really doesn't connect well to history.

Edited November 3, 2018 by RedRockRosie

[ByTor]

1 hour ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

So was the guy flirting with Steffy a new cast member or just a day player? He was cute either way.

I think Steffy said her line incorrectly.  She told new guy "I'm flattered, but I'm just not ready."  I believe what she should have said was "I'm flattered, but I can't date someone who isn't already on the show."  I do agree, he was cute :)

[thewhiteowl]

Hey! Quinn has a storyline! It's stupid but I'll take what I can get that doesn't involve interns. Pam is a nutjob but she's a vet so that doesn't suck. Nice to see Eric even when he's a douche.

[domi]

ils sont trop beaux ensemble.

Je crois en ce couple.

Il aurait une femme qui n'est pas amoureuse de Bill. Qui le soutiendrait

Tout irait bien mieux pour tout le monde

[SiouxB]

I feel like I am watching Pam in an alternate universe because she whines how Quinn "makes fun of her" and is mean to her but hello Pam ? You're right there with her trading insults which you mostly start ...

Also, you barge into Quinn's house without a key or knocking, taking her painting off the wall and just assuming you could get married at the house......

....also she tells Charlie that she doesn't want to get married at the house anymore because of that "witch" and Charlie says to her do you mean you don't want to get married at all which is not what she said but by the end of the episode the engagement is off !!!!

Wha' happened ?

[SimplePleasures]

8 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

Ridge has Bill derangement syndrome. This causes diarrhea of the mouth, uncontrollable urination along with territorial marking, and leg humping. 

I fixed it for you.  :D

[domi]

10 hours ago, domi said:

ils sont trop beaux ensemble.

Je crois en ce couple.

Il aurait une femme qui n'est pas amoureuse de Bill. Qui le sud serait

Tout irait bien pour tout le monde

why does Brooke have a flashback, she knows who she is married to. A few days before her wedding she spied by the office door and she saw Ridge said to Quinn that she was absolutely beautiful in the eyes and not looking at her necklace. She gets married and then cries as always ....pffffff