Neurochick November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Is this show supposed to be a hit? It wants to be How To Get Away With Murder, but it doesn't have the plot or the writing or the acting of that show. 4 Link to comment
Free November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Is this show supposed to be a hit? It wants to be How To Get Away With Murder, but it doesn't have the plot or the writing or the acting of that show. It wants to be Shonda Rhimes so badly. 1 Link to comment
twoods November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 The Raina/Simon scene gave me the feels. Way hotter than any sex scene on this show. I do think that Alex and Booth have chemistry, and I did like Shelby and Caleb's confession scene but would have appreciated it more if they weren't such jerks to each other last week. Plus, screwing your ex boyfriend's married dad? Just, no. Vasquez is a big no to me. Why is Booth dating her? And she rats him out to Liam. This show gives me a big headache, but I do want to see how they resolve this mess so will keep watching. Plus, I want to see what happens with Raina and Simon. 3 Link to comment
KateeBar November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Ugh. I swore I wouldn't watch this show, then I got sucked in because it was bad-good entertainment. But this episode was just bad. That twin reveal scene was one of the worst things ever. It's not like he encountered twin robots or zombies or something, so why on earth was it SO HORRIFYING that he needed to completely lose it? It was bizarre. God help me if they come up with some kind of twin trauma backstory to explain that reaction. Get it together show. I will hate having to watch this just because I am curious about the bomber. 6 Link to comment
Neurochick November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 I laughed during the twin reveal, and then I rewound it, watched it again and laughed again. If it were on Empire that scene would make sense because Empire is like watching an over the top telenovella, but this show is supposed to be serious, which made the reveal even funnier. 5 Link to comment
txhorns79 November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 That twin reveal scene was one of the worst things ever. It's not like he encountered twin robots or zombies or something, so why on earth was it SO HORRIFYING that he needed to completely lose it? It was bizarre. God help me if they come up with some kind of twin trauma backstory to explain that reaction. I'll defend his reaction a little, and say that Nimah has been presented to him as one person, so seeing her go all Patty Duke would be pretty shocking (at least to me). I agree that how it all played out (complete with Simon getting accidentally knocked out) was very over the top. Link to comment
Newmy November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 This show is just terrible and I'm out. There are many things terribly wrong with it, but my biggest issue is the casting of the guy who plays Booth. He looks like he smells bad, so I just cannot get on board with him being portrayed as some mega hottie. Ew. 2 Link to comment
Netfoot November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 He looks like he smells bad, so I just cannot get on board with him being portrayed as some mega hottie. Ew. You are so right. And his head is like a concentration camp rescuee. Television tells us who is hot, and we are supposed to accept. (Mind you, who can figure out how female hormones work, anyway?) 1 Link to comment
henripootel November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 (edited) I'll defend his reaction a little, and say that Nimah has been presented to him as one person, so seeing her go all Patty Duke would be pretty shocking (at least to me). Yeah, but I'm thinking his first reaction would be 'uh, you can't have visitors here, even your sister!' or some such. Seems to me that the only reason he'd have the reaction he did was if he suddenly realized that they were pulling some dodgy twin-switch routine, which we know but he can't possibly. I think the writers just presumed we'd be swept away by the SHOCKING REVEAL and not notice that Simon is a character in the show, not a viewer of it like us. My guess: the writers are dumb and just assumed we are too. Edited November 3, 2015 by henripootel 3 Link to comment
marcee November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Yeah, but I'm thinking his first reaction would be 'uh, you can't have visitors here, even your sister!' or some such. Seems to me that the only reason he'd have the reaction he did was if he suddenly realized that they were pulling some dodgy twin-switch routine, which we know but he can't possibly. I think the writers just presumed we'd be swept away by the SHOCKING REVEAL and not notice that Simon is a character in the show, not a viewer of it like us. My guess: the writers are dumb and just assumed we are too. Except based on what we've seen, these recruits know practically everything about each other. That was one of their very first assignments... even though, somehow, no one knows Simon was IDF, but *handwave*. So yeah, he wouldn't automatically think that's her twin, because as far as anyone at the FBI knows, she doesn't have one. Miranda specifically redacted that piece of information because no one was supposed to know. Even when they dug deep to find each others' secrets, no one found out she had a twin (which also ?!?!?, but *handwave*) - so yeah, shock and surprise seemed legit to me. 3 Link to comment
henripootel November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 (edited) So yeah, he wouldn't automatically think that's her twin, because as far as anyone at the FBI knows, she doesn't have one. Ah, but she has a mom, doesn't she? A friend who might, at a glance, in a hijab, in a low-lit room, look a bit like her? I'd go with any of these and say 'excuse me, didn't know you had company' 100 times before I jumped to 'oh god - you're perpetrating a complicated (and ridiculous) fraud on the FBI!' and lose my shit. And just to turn your reasoning on its head, I might eventually think "I know this can't be your twin sister because they stupidly showed me your confidential file and I know you don't have one. But you obviously do have one so the file they passed around was wrong. Why are they fucking with us by showing us fake files?" Just saying that of all the ways I can play this out in my head, correctly guessing the actual (preposterous) plan and panicking seems the least likely. I mean, even if you deduced that somebody might actually attempt such a plan, why would they be so careless that someone could blow it all by walking into a room? So they're both diabolically clever and have kindergarten trade-craft? Edited November 3, 2015 by henripootel 2 Link to comment
Netfoot November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Ah, but she has a mom, doesn't she? A friend who might, at a glance, in a hijab, in a low-lit room, look a bit like her? I'd go with any of these and say 'excuse me, didn't know you had company' 100 times before I jumped to 'oh god - you're perpetrating a complicated (and ridiculous) fraud on the FBI!' and lose my shit. I must admit, I'd expect more of a double- or triple-take before he realized he was in Doppelgänger City! 2 Link to comment
jaytee1812 November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 It wants to be Shonda Rhimes so badly. It's like Ryan Murphy meets Shonda Rimes. Only it's the worst of both. I must admit, I'd expect more of a double- or triple-take before he realized he was in Doppelgänger City! I think their reaction didn't help. They panicked straight away. 2 Link to comment
Neurochick November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 And what a sleaze he is, walking into a woman's bedroom without knocking. I don't like the young blonde guy, Caleb or whatever his name is. Now I know why, he was in 'Revolution' and he was an asshole in that show too. 6 Link to comment
wanderingstar November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Maybe Miranda was working up to the session where she tells Nimah and Raina how to handle a scenario like the one with Simon? Link to comment
Free November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 I don't like the young blonde guy, Caleb or whatever his name is. Now I know why, he was in 'Revolution' and he was an asshole in that show too. Oh he was definitely annoying in that show. Link to comment
tom87 November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Did they say why Miranda of all days picked the day her and her kid are fighting to have herself be spied on? I just love how these rookie FBI agents have such full access to the biggest terrorist attack on the USA in years. Even if you add in the connection to their prime suspect it is laughable. 2 Link to comment
henripootel November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 I just love how these rookie FBI agents have such full access to the biggest terrorist attack on the USA in years. Even if you add in the connection to their prime suspect it is laughable. Especially if they have any connection to the prime suspect. They'd be lucky to not find themselves in custody, and they'd absolutely be answering a shitload of questions, not covertly helping anyone. I'd also assume that agents of their experience level would in no way be leading this investigation, no matter who their dad was. 1 Link to comment
Tara Ariano November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode! Watching Me, Watching YouIt's surveillance week, and Booth brought donuts to the stakeout. Link to comment
romantic idiot November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 The class is bigger when you factor in the no named, background extras. Agreed, but they are hardly going to suspect a no-name extra. The only actors with lines left in the class are all non-white. Besides, last week she suspected Caleb because he was where he wasn't supposed to be, and this week she's suspecting the twins because of the same reason. 1 Link to comment
jaytee1812 November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Alex hasn't suspected CougarTown or CarSex, has she? We have, but on the show she hasn't been suspicious of them. Link to comment
The Kings Foot November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 I'm watching Daredevil at the same time as this, And all I can think is even a 2nd tier criminal from that show would run riot over this version of the FBI 1 Link to comment
romantic idiot November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 (edited) Alex hasn't suspected CougarTown or CarSex, has she? We have, but on the show she hasn't been suspicious of them. Not yet. She was told the bomber was part of her class which eliminates Tiny Eyes and CarSex was shot by the bomber so I think she ruled him out. Besides we've been going at one classmate suspected and cleared per episode so we've had Alex, CarSex, Simon, Shelby and Caleb so far, which leaves the Twins, Vasquez and Brandon and the twins have seniority. IMO of course. Edited November 3, 2015 by romantic idiot 1 Link to comment
The Kings Foot November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Lawd have mercy. Just finished watching this ep. The proper response by Simon should have been "Huh ? I'm having that dream again" Why didnt the show runners just create a College TV series? They spend more time on relationships than anything FBI oriented. 2 Link to comment
Free November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 (edited) Agreed, but they are hardly going to suspect a no-name extra. The only actors with lines left in the class are all non-white. Besides, last week she suspected Caleb because he was where he wasn't supposed to be, and this week she's suspecting the twins because of the same reason. Agreed, it's for their plot twist at the end. Edited November 3, 2015 by Free 1 Link to comment
jaytee1812 November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 I saw nothing that was suppose to rule out Caleb this week, I'm still suspicious of CarSex, there could still be an explanation as to why he got shot if he is the bomber. 3 Link to comment
romantic idiot November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 Oh agreed. I meant Alex is going through list, not us. Link to comment
dubbel zout November 3, 2015 Share November 3, 2015 I'm watching Daredevil at the same time as this, And all I can think is even a 2nd tier criminal from that show would run riot over this version of the FBI A toddler would confound these nitwits. 4 Link to comment
Eolivet November 4, 2015 Share November 4, 2015 I have a slightly different take on the "shagfests." I think they're about equal to what early Grey's was (people were hooking up a lot back then). The difference is that early Grey's didn't try to juggle two fully-formed (ish) plots. Going from flashforward to flashback works when it's plot-related, but if it's just a bunch of people hooking up, I'm left wondering why we're spending time watching them hook up, unless the conclusion is supposed to be "why aren't they hooking up anymore." Which again -- hardly seems relevant. I don't care about mindless hooking up, but I do care about it if it takes away from the six million secrets we're supposed to have revealed in the flashbacks in order for the flashforwards to make sense. I did enjoy Shelby's hook-up with Jacob/Caleb's daddy for the many LOST jokes I made at Shelby's expense. "Wow, Shelby -- that's one way to make yourself the #1 Candidate!" Link to comment
dargosmydaddy November 4, 2015 Share November 4, 2015 Did they say why Miranda of all days picked the day her and her kid are fighting to have herself be spied on? I thought she specifically wanted surveillance on her son and figured that was the easiest way to do it. Or did I read that wrong? And what a sleaze he is, walking into a woman's bedroom without knocking. Though you would think they'd know to lock it at all times, particularly when they're in there together... that's not even FBI 101. The entire last scene had me howling. So bad! So unintentionally hilarious! 4 Link to comment
Free November 4, 2015 Share November 4, 2015 The entire last scene had me howling. So bad! So unintentionally hilarious! It was definitely a big WTF moment. Link to comment
thuganomics85 November 4, 2015 Share November 4, 2015 Holy hell! I've already accepted that this show is going to be cheesy, silly, and dumb on a lot of levels, but this episode was just ridiculous and... not entertaining at all. Just bad. The best parts about it were only when I was laughing because it was so bad. First, I'm pissed over what they did to Shelby. Family-hopping isn't new to this territory, but I was expecting better from her, especially since their are the added bonuses of him being married and kind of her boss (although, I really don't know what exactly is going on about that. Where exactly does she work, again?) And yet, I can't feel bad for Caleb, because, well, he sucks. He was such an immature brat back in the flashbacks, and I continue to find it hard to believe he would be charming on any level. But watching him in the present, trying to be serious, just made me howl. He was like a kid playing dress-up. When he was trying to be tough with his dad, I really wanted the dad to just pat him on the head all "Aww... you're so cute, son! Have a lollipop and a gold star!" about it. Of course, since said dad is played by Mark Pellegrino, I really wanted him to just slap him. Meanwhile, Alex finds out about Booth and Liam, because Liam start blabbing about it in front of a clearly mic upped Booth, and Booth is too dumb to just yell "Hey, asshole! I'm on a mission!", so Alex is all mad, and switches rooms with Nathalie (boo!), so no more shower sex for the time being. Simon and Raina are at least kind of nice at first, but then Simon barges in the twins room like an asshole, and finds out their secret. Hilarious fight ensues, and he's now literally trapped in the closet. Well, I guess since he loves to pretend to be gay, this could be a good training exercise for him. Miranda just uses the mission of the week to spy on her son, which makes total sense on this show. My favorite part was Valerie Cruz showing up as the agent teaching everyone about surveillance, because I'm just going to pretend she was playing the same agent she played in The Following, and both shows share the same universe. Looks like it is now Nimuh/Raina's turn to be suspects. Alex already seems sure about it, even though she was so sure about Caleb tonight. Maybe you should quit jumping the gun, Alex, and actually acquire enough evidence, before making these statements. 5 Link to comment
Julie23 November 4, 2015 Share November 4, 2015 I finally forced myself to watch this, just to get it off my DVR. My finger was ON the delete button and I didn't take that chance to NOT watch this mess. The ridiculesness is approaching Zoo territory, and that is not a compliment for either show. Hard to watch, but I want to know who the bomber is, even though I know I'll be disappointed in that reveal too. Only moment worth watching: Simon and Nimah 2 Link to comment
hkit November 4, 2015 Share November 4, 2015 Think I'm going to delete this from the DVR after sweeps. I haven't commented yet, because this show is so ridiculous that I can't think of anything snarky enough to say. Except that thank god the FBI doesn't operate this way or hire people like this, or else I'd be worried as an American. On a shallow note, I hate how lopsided the hotness is on this show towards the female cast. Simon looks... creepy. He's too skinny, and I wish he'd shave. Weird, because I have seen other photos of the actor where he is much more attractive. Hipster glasses and the haircut just aren't appealing to me. Caleb is the ultimate butterface. That maybe isn't fair, he just looks young, and the head doesn't fit the ripped bod. Booth is generic. He's not unattractive, but is also not at all interesting in the looks department. And now that the only thing I can talk about on this show is the lack of eye candy, it's abundantly clear to me that this show is just a waste of my time. 5 Link to comment
Texasmom1970 November 4, 2015 Share November 4, 2015 They seriously need to give Priyanka's hair billing on this show. I find watching it more interesting than the F.B.I. trained idiots. 3 Link to comment
mostlylurking November 4, 2015 Share November 4, 2015 This is the first episode I've been really bored with. I'm all for watching beautiful people hooking up don't get me wrong but in this episode it felt very gratuitous and forced. Like it was just filling time. Nothing really happened. Snore. I still don't know which twin is Naima and which is Raina. I think one is supposed to be the "nice" one who is mediocre at the tasks. The other one is supposed to be the "mean" one who is good at the tasks. That is the one who left I think? And the "nice" one is the one who likes Simon but the "mean" one maybe had sex with him? So confused. But still bored. 3 Link to comment
Ms Blue Jay November 4, 2015 Share November 4, 2015 I actually find Booth really hot. Those eyelashes are absolutely insane. Hotness levels (My ranking) 0. Alex's hair 1. Alex 1.5. Hot Glee Kid 2. Booth the rest I don't care. 3. Oh yeah I like Miranda I just wish they'd style her better The Latina girl is very pretty but god I hate her character. 2 Link to comment
dargosmydaddy November 4, 2015 Share November 4, 2015 There are many things terribly wrong with it, but my biggest issue is the casting of the guy who plays Booth. He looks like he smells bad, so I just cannot get on board with him being portrayed as some mega hottie. Ew. But he can't smell bad! We got to see him shower in two different timelines! I actually find Booth really hot. Those eyelashes are absolutely insane. This. 2 Link to comment
mostlylurking November 5, 2015 Share November 5, 2015 Oh yeah I like Miranda I just wish they'd style her better Her styling is TERRIBLE. Just very ill fitting. Also Shelby's pants are always too big and wide, but at the academy and present day. Looks like she's wearing hammer pants all the time. 1 Link to comment
madam magpie November 6, 2015 Share November 6, 2015 I can't be the only one who thinks Shelby is sleeping with Mark Pellegrino as part of some undercover op, right? Come on! And she still loves Caleb and so is tortured by it. This show is insane, but boy do I love it. Alex's hair is so gorgeous that I get distracted when it's free flowing. She needs to wear it up more often so I can pay attention. I absolutely thought the son was going to have been framed. What's the point otherwise?? Count me among those who find Booth hot, though admittedly in a stoner college dropout sort of way. 2 Link to comment
Couver November 6, 2015 Share November 6, 2015 I had to lol that everyone thought Simon was hooking up with Elias. At first I was like...offensive much thinking that the 2 gay recruits are hooking up but then you realize everyone at this academy is doing that so it makes sense. But talk about missing signs. They're all supposed to have amazing deduction and observational skills and they never picked up that Simon & Elisa don't seem to get along at all. And that note Elias left signed xoxo lol. I'm on board until we solve the mystery. 2 Link to comment
Lady Calypso November 8, 2015 Share November 8, 2015 I had to lol that everyone thought Simon was hooking up with Elias. At first I was like...offensive much thinking that the 2 gay recruits are hooking up but then you realize everyone at this academy is doing that so it makes sense. But talk about missing signs. They're all supposed to have amazing deduction and observational skills and they never picked up that Simon & Elisa don't seem to get along at all. And that note Elias left signed xoxo lol. I'm on board until we solve the mystery. Heh, I don't know. I mean, Caleb and Shelby have been fighting and bitching at each other and they're sleeping together. Elias and Simon secretly loving to hate each other might not be far off in these recruits' minds. But seriously, I so agree with you. These recruits are not...subtle, yet they also seem to be oblivious to others around them, unless it's for an assignment. Link to comment
queenanne November 8, 2015 Share November 8, 2015 (edited) So Vasquez was seeing the kid from Glee? And then she picked up Booth, because sharing a bathroom leads to that? That was funny. Yeah, sexytimes!!!1! Did Alex say at the end 'it was them' implying she knows about the twins. That was one of the few things I finally found interesting. And Simon didn't seem shocked that she knew either, so maybe the twins do flunk out, and it becomes common knowledge. Why was it so hard for Simon to wrap his head around the fact that there were twins? Has he never heard of twins? I mean, I get being shocked, since they were pretending to be one, but he seemed terrified by the concept, like, horror show, one of them must be a zombie or a Zygon (form stealing aliens from Doctor Who's most recent ep) and was going to eat his brains or steal his soul. And then, rather than talking to him about it whichever twin that was locks him in the closet/bathroom? WTF? Shelby sleeping with Dad is a slight upgrade from sleeping with that moron Caleb but still, she really should have gone with that hot guy who appeared out of no where and is suddenly part of the class because they needed a hot guy to make Caleb jealous. Both are bizarre. Simon was hollering like he'd just walked in on them trying to dispose of a corpse. And Caleb-Shelby-Daddy is awful, because they were oh so clearly going for "nothing is wrong with Caleb and Shelby except a case of mistaken purposes", where all it takes for Caleb to be Shelby's fantasized-marriage-material for-real is for him to say, "hey, I'd be into that." Oh wait... he DID say that, basically. So clearly, the only solution to liking a guy "too much", for whatever dippy reason you've decided is "too much", like love is so profuse and shit, is to - end your relationship with him and hook up with his father. And seem to really like the guy. Yeah, that'll work. Clearly, either of Shelby or Caleb is not expected to survive this season, so Death Poolers might want odds. Aside: Maybe Spy-on-Alex's ignoring daughter Louisa, is the real terrorist. Edited November 8, 2015 by queenanne 1 Link to comment
wanderingstar November 8, 2015 Share November 8, 2015 (edited) So clearly, the only solution to liking a guy "too much", for whatever dippy reason you've decided is "too much", like love is so profuse and shit, is to - end your relationship with him and hook up with his father. I feel like we are missing a piece of this story. How'd we go from Shelby and Caleb deciding to continue their relationship (in the 9-months-ago scenes) to her hooking up with his dad? In the post-Grand Central bombing scenes, she said to Alex, "Caleb hasn't talked to me since Quantico." Sounds to me like the relationship soured long before Shelby started sleeping with Clayton. I can't say that is a step up for her, though. Shelby strikes me as smart and capable. She could do better than either of those Haas douches. Edited November 8, 2015 by Gillian Rosh 2 Link to comment
LeGrandElephant November 12, 2015 Share November 12, 2015 (edited) Do we have any idea why Miranda's son wanted to shoot up the school? I would think that would have some bearing on how to treat him! Was he being severely bullied? Had he fallen in with some ideological group? Did he just think it would be fun? What? (Maybe they said and I missed it, I admit I've been playing with my phone while watching.) Edited November 12, 2015 by LeGrandElephant Link to comment
Sandman November 23, 2015 Share November 23, 2015 (edited) Of course Mark Pellegrino gets stuck as Caleb's dad. At least Shelby moved up in that department, but still, what a cliche. I still dislike Caleb and I really want to know if we're supposed to. I was sick of Mark Pellegrino before the reveal that he's Peroxide I's dad. Blech. But it's also kind of brilliant casting, since they're similarly annoying. This show is starting to remind me of Secrets and Lies, with its red herring-infested flashbacks, its protagonist's absolute certainty every week about absolutely the wrong suspect, and its endless shagfests. I agree about Peroxide I's being too whiny and self-involved, but I think Agent Alex and Agent CarSex (maybe he's CarSex on Probation?) have pretty decent chemistry. Heh. Emphasis on the "pretty." ETA: I think Miranda's kid is probably the bomber. (Why should I be constrained by story-logic if the writers plainly don't consider themselves to be so?) Edited November 23, 2015 by Sandman Link to comment
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