Battlestar Galactica [2004] - General Discussion

[Lobsel Vith]

On ‎2‎/‎14‎/‎2018 at 6:40 PM, Bastet said:

Someone to Watch Over Me:

Damn, Boomer is cold.  Athena being gagged and half-conscious while Boomer bangs an unsuspecting Helo was a brutal scene, and then as soon as Boomer gave Hera a bottle and told her to drink up, I knew she was drugging her, so when Boomer and Tyrol were lugging that box, I let out a really dark laugh – the kid is in the box.  Of course she is; this is Battlestar Galactica.  Tyrol’s reaction when he realizes Boomer played him is wonderful.

Boomer's inconsistent portrayal post-New Caprica was pretty jarring - she's the only Cylon who was consistently pro-human on New Caprica (to the point where she pointed out the loss of human life, disagreed with even Caprica Six about the new measures the Cylons were taking, and pleaded with Three for Cally to be spared), but then she became anti-human despite the show never showing this or even alluding to it beforehand? And then she became an ally of Cavil's, to the point where she kidnaps Hera so that an all-male faction can learn the secrets of how a woman reproduces? Which made the entire arc pretty asinine - it makes no sense for Boomer to kidnap a child because she's the only woman among the entire faction of Cavil's, and that doesn't even touch on how Cavil absolutely loathes the Cylons having biological bodies and believes they should embrace their robotic nature.

And placing all the blame on the atheist Cavil, despite the Cylon war against humanity being started for religious reasons, simply showed more inconsistencies and how the showrunners really had no overall plan for this show, especially when the final season tries to act as if Cavil was pulling all the strings when we continually saw Three in a more leadership role at the time (which seemed to be why Boomer and Caprica Six killed one of them, why she was always framed as more of a leader during the New Caprica storyline, and why Boomer pleaded with one of her model for leniency for Cally). I really wish they planned things out.

There's also the coup storyline glossing over the dictatorship nature of Roslin and Adama's rule (something RDM actually criticized about the original series during the season one podcasts was how the showrunners ignored the democratic rule of the people and played too much to a military dictatorship being in the right, and yet he ended up doing exactly that in the final season of the show).

[Affogato]

On ‎2‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 3:04 PM, Beej said:

The one central question the series doesn't answer is why the cylons chose to try to exterminate humanity in the second war after having achieved freedom in their war of independence.  Also, having wiped out billions, it was certainly within their ability to finish off one surviving battlestar, instead of toying with it like a cat with a mouse.  If not for procreation (they still had resurrection), then either kill them or let them go.

On the other hand, why does humanity take life so easily, tolerate genocide, and contemplate extinction over loss in a potential nuclear war.  I get all that.  Just seems vexing we're never told the rationale.  Clearly, they were searching for meaning in their existence, and for some of the models, humanity was a big piece in that... be it in exterminating us or living with us.  Even if it were as simple as the hardline faction arguing that a child can't become an adult until its parents have died and winning out in a debate.  I'd have taken that.

As far as the ending, I really can't argue too much.  I'm fine with Kara being an angel.  I might have cleaned that up a bit so her destiny was to lead her people "to their end" at one earth-like planet (not two) and have let the fleet find the irradiated earth via more secular or prophetic methods.  

Overall, I like that some things are unexplainable.  There is a god, and it's not us or the cylons.  

Minutia with the habitation of Earth II... sure, I'd not have spelled out a zero technology, hunter-gatherer dogma being imposed on the survivors.  They were out of resources to maintain an interstellar fleet.  There were zero volunteers to live indefinitely in orbit to keep them operable, and, given their extremely limited military capability, having them in orbit and risking detection was much too great a risk.

I'd have them either bring down whatever tools and tech they felt were essential and just have it be lost to time, or I'd have had a brief explanation that the industrial facilities, networks, and metropolitan way of life necessary to live with and maintain that level of technological advancement was just incompatible with co-habitating with early man.  The options would be to either share the technology and all but assure a repeat of technology outstripping humanity, or to withhold it and live in modern cities with a permanent underclass wandering the countryside as breeding stock.

The solution would be to live out their lives at roughly an 18th century tech level.... steam, sail, domestication of animals, etc.

Last quibble is with the timeline.  With tens of thousands of colonists dispersed around the globe, all possessed of language, higher math, basic science, agriculture, etc... 150,000 years seems like a long time to achieve our present level of advancement.  In a tenth that timeframe, we've come from ancient Egypt to here.  Also, how is Hera the missing link and mitochondrial mom?  I'm fine if she is, but it deserves an explanation.  What about all of the other colonial proginy and the likely interbreeding with the native population?  Was their some calamitous event that killed off all purely biological humans and only descendants of hers were able to survive?  

Some of these are really questions more than objections, but with all that went along with the Hera story, I'd like to have been told why she was the key to humanity's survival, when in the end, they effectively settled for a class-M planet with no guarantee of safety from the cylons.  Of course, I suppose she was the key to the cylons' survival as well, just probably not as they would have hoped.

I'd like to throw in the LDS mythos. Moroni comes down and directs Joseph Smith to the gold tablets that are the surviving story, etc. I think the angels are a necessary part of the story and the survival, although that isn't made clear. A necessary part of Glen Larson's story, but just getting a nod from Moore. 

I'm not sure that a population, randomly choosen from the general population with some emphasis on the military, would be able to construct  technological civilization of any complexity. We did see them build a viper from spare parts, but they had some specialists there and it still was a dubious undertaking. It wasn't as if most of them were 'yeah, I did have to construct my own viper in flight training, where did I put the manual?'

There is a book about someone who constructed a toaster from scratch. Mined the metal, the whole nine yards. Really hard, especially if you are also trying to grow your own food, also hard and unfamiliar; build shelter, also hard and unfamiliar; defend yourself against unknown animals of varying intelligence, also unfamiliar. .. I don't think they would have achieved a steam driven society before they'd lost the memory of the possibility. With luck one guy could make a sail boat and that could lead to something if someone grew and remembered how to loom flax?

Frankly someone like Baltar, a scientist with a distant background in farming, trying to gather and disseminate information that would allow them to start at agriculture (rather than hunter/gatherer), would have his work cut out for him AND you could say that if he accomplished it he might have redeemed himself by saving humanity. 

On the other hand they should have taken everything they could get. Cups and warm clothing and any medical equipment--scalpels. Steel knives. Really, people. 

I thought the Eve thing was just pointing out that their descendents did survive, because the likelihood (really) would be that they would all die out. Not definitive anything, just proof that they are us and we subject to the same repeated fatal flaws. 

[CigarDoug]

On 2/15/2018 at 12:37 PM, Bastet said:

and I could do without "God did it" as an ending, but it made for an interesting story. 

You KNOW he doesn't like that name.

[Bastet]

On 6/6/2018 at 12:59 PM, CigarDoug said:

You KNOW he doesn't like that name.

Heh.  Angel!Baltar, or whatever the hell he and the equivalent Six are supposed to be, said, "You know it [doesn't like that name]," which does provide a partial out, at least, that whatever metaphysical force the show ultimately proclaims exists, it's not the cylon god Six prattles on about.

But the religion shit is still by far the worst part of the series for me.  I recently watched it through again (I wasn't going to until I watched The Plan, but I couldn't wait), and I still loved it, but I got even more aggravated with all the god talk* -- and when it came to the stuff with Baltar's cult this season, I had to fast-forward through most of it, because it was truly unbearable the second time around.  Same with Head!Six; I like the other Sixes (and I love the "wake up and smell the psychosis" version of Head!Six for the short time she's there), but I had to skip over a lot of Head!Six, because it's just a steady stream of sex, God, the one true god, sex, God's plan, sex, God's love, God, and "our baby."  SHUT UP, HEAD!SIX. 

It was so interesting a concept for Baltar to conjure up an imaginary version of her after the attacks, seeing her not as a typical subconscious (as we saw when Caprica Six had a Head!Baltar who called her on her shit), but as someone who validates his actions by saying he's actually part of some grand plan for good.  That is so Baltar; his guilt and narcissism exist in equal measure.  But, in execution, it's a lot of ugh, with great moments in between where she tell him like it is.

*One of the greatest things about this show - maybe only second to Laura Roslin - was the way it explored big ideas and asked questions rather than giving answers, so - especially under the characters' circumstances - it could have been very interesting to pose as a recurring question whether there is some sort of fate determined by a higher power or whether what happens is entirely due to the combination of actions we choose to take and chance.  But "My god is better than your gods," for four fucking seasons, is not interesting, and to have that viewpoint even partially validated in the end is a big problem for me.

[Sharpie66]

What I liked about Gaius becoming a cult leader was the way the writers drew heavily on early Christian Gnosticism for Baltar’s theology. I had more fun pulling up what I remember of that while watching those episodes.

[VCRTracking]

*sigh* They should have just asked Jamie Bamber to gain 30 pounds before the season.

[Joe]

Jay Basu to write a remake. I've never heard of anyone connected to this, but hopefully they're all good. I'm going for cautious optimism. Assuming it ever gets produced and doesn't vanish into development hell, maybe it'll be good. Only one way to find out, huh? But it has a large legacy. If it were me, I'd be nervous. Still, killer robots in space is a sound premise. Even if you don't go with skinjobs again, I've seen worse concepts.

[SmithW6079]

7 hours ago, Joe said:

Jay Basu to write a remake. I've never heard of anyone connected to this, but hopefully they're all good. I'm going for cautious optimism. Assuming it ever gets produced and doesn't vanish into development hell, maybe it'll be good. Only one way to find out, huh? But it has a large legacy. If it were me, I'd be nervous. Still, killer robots in space is a sound premise. Even if you don't go with skinjobs again, I've seen worse concepts.

That is the one of the stupidest things I ever heard of. Hollywood really is bankrupt creatively. So screenwriters can do nothing but reboots, which are basically fan fiction writ large? Come up with some original ideas.

[ganesh]

I still say my comment from 2014 is apt, and the article says as much. 

[Joe]

A new podcast called of course the Battlestar Galacticast discussing the series in order, hosted by Tricia Helfer and journalist Marc Bernardin. They've only covered the miniseries so far, plus recorded a convention appearance with Michael Hogan. So far, so good. They intend to have other BSG actors on when time permits.

[Joe]

I've been listening to the podcast, and not enjoying it. They always seem to be drinking while recording, and have you ever been sober around drunk people? They aren't as funny as they seem to be, and there isn't much interesting BTS info being dropped. I'm tempted to stop. Anyone else listening?

[Joe]

Another episode and I'm out. Just not enjoying it. Well, I have plenty of other podcasts to keep me going.

[TVSpectator]

On 1/16/2019 at 1:05 AM, Joe said:

I've been listening to the podcast, and not enjoying it. They always seem to be drinking while recording, and have you ever been sober around drunk people? They aren't as funny as they seem to be, and there isn't much interesting BTS info being dropped. I'm tempted to stop. Anyone else listening?

I use to go and listen to the recordings that Ron Moore did and was posted on the old BSG wiki. Sometimes I noticed that there would be ice clinking (like in a drink) but the drinking was never to the point where I got annoyed. Also, I can relate since I ended up being DD a few times in the past. 

[Anduin]

So I found myself browsing promo images from the BSG game, when I spotted something familiar yet out of place. It looks awfully like a different and very well known ship. Not identical, but similar enough to make me go hmm. I wonder if it was deliberate.

[paulvdb]

‘Battlestar Galactica’ Reboot From Sam Esmail Headed For NBCU’s Peacock Streaming Service

[Capricasix]

Anyone who can get Comet TV (I get it over the air from Buffalo) - they are running the series from the beginning, two eps a night starting at 8 pm. 16 years later and I’m amazed how much I remember! 😄

[Bastet]

In 15 minutes, SyFy is beginning a nonstop three-day marathon of the entire series (including "Razor" and "The Plan"), hosted by Tricia Helfer and featuring guest appearances from some other cast members.

[Danny Franks]

I don't know if people are aware, but there's a BSG rewatch podcast, hosted by Tricia Helfer and a guy whose name I can't remember (but he's a TV writer and fan of the show). It's a lot of fun, and they've had several other actors from the show on.

I'm just listening to the episode on Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down at the moment, with EJO as a guest. You can hear how proud he is of the show.

[HotRats2112]

I was pleasantly surprised to find the marathon yesterday.  Of course I'm in the office today so I am missing the whole New Caprica storyline. Still love the show years later. 

[Bastet]

I've had it on in the background pretty much this whole time, but haven't stopped to watch much more than the Laura scenes (gods, I love her) -- with one major exception.  I am mostly "yadda yadda yadda" bored with action sequences, but I frakkin' love the liberation of New Caprica.  I all but clap my hands together like a happy toddler.

[magdalene]

Am at the part during the marathon when that glorified lynch mob almost executes Gaeta.  Made me remember how that show had a special talent making me dislike characters I was supposed to be rooting for.  Kind glad to discover that I still really like Sam who was one of my favorites back in the day.

[Bastet]

I cannot stand Helo (which I sense is an unpopular opinion in the fandom, but this is my third or fourth time watching and he bugs me, especially when he gets righteously indignant), but when he has to kill Athena (so she can try to get Hera back) - holy shit.  That's an incredible moment.

I also like the confrontation about Hera between Helo and Laura (and Adama subtly keeping Helo in check, physically); as much as I sympathize with the fact that, as circumstances existed at the time Laura made her decision, she made, among shitty options, the best call (which Adama seems to forget he was basically advocating back then) not just for the fleet but for the baby, I really like that all three actors (Mary McDonnell, Grace Park, and Tahmoh Penikett) stayed on Ron Moore about the devastating affect on Sharon and Helo being something that had to be addressed.

 

[HotRats2112]

16 hours ago, magdalene said:

Am at the part during the marathon when that glorified lynch mob almost executes Gaeta.  Made me remember how that show had a special talent making me dislike characters I was supposed to be rooting for.  

I both love and hate that episode.  I think the ending is one of the best ever.  When Tyrol cuts the bindings and says, you wanted to know who the source was Colnel, here he is.  Then Tyrol sits with him in the mess hall without speaking.   

But at the same time if I were Gaeta I would have verbally bitched slapped all of those people instead of just giving up.  

On another note, I just got to when Baltar meets head Baltar and his reaction as he's trying to talk to Tory is one of the many reasons why I love James Callis.

Edited April 22, 2020 by HotRats2112
me good english

[Bastet]

I most decidedly don't like the return of Ellen Tigh, but I laugh out loud each time at "How many dead chicks are out there?"

And I don't ever want to be this devastated in my anger, but I kind of want a less-traumatizing opportunity to tell someone, "I will use every cannon, every bomb, every bullet, every weapon I have, down to my own eye teeth, to end you.  I swear it!  I'm coming for all of you!"

[TVSpectator]

10 hours ago, Bastet said:

I most decidedly don't like the return of Ellen Tigh, but I laugh out loud each time at "How many dead chicks are out there?"

I didn't like the return of Ellen either. They should've made Starbucks the finale Cylon instead of Ellen but I wonder if they decided on Ellen because less people assumed it was her in the first place?

 

But I did like Ellen post Cylon reveal. She seemed more funnier and less angry. 

[Danny Franks]

1 hour ago, TVSpectator said:

I didn't like the return of Ellen either. They should've made Starbucks the finale Cylon instead of Ellen but I wonder if they decided on Ellen because less people assumed it was her in the first place?

Honestly, once they brought Starbuck back from the dead, they should have just bitten the bullet and admitted she was the twelfth model. It didn't make her a bad guy, because like the other four, she didn't know. Was it expected by viewers? Sure. But that's because it's the only explanation that made sense.

The cop-out of just never explaining how she was alive, then having her just disappear and leave poor Lee all alone was absolutely crap. It seemed like they just didn't plan it properly - killed Starbuck to shock the audience, brought her back (seemingly as a Cylon) to shock the audience, then never explain what she was because they didn't know.

[magdalene]

I had blocked out that Gaeta turned mutineer and was executed.

I always found Leoben interesting and still do on rewatch.  

In a show where you have Head!Six and and Head!Gaius! I can manage to imagine that Starbuck came back as an Angel.

Gaius Baltar was such a great character, so entertaining to watch.

[HotRats2112]

Too much to quote. 

I too forgot about the Gaeta/Zarek mutiny and resulting execution.  Poor Gaeta.  He was in over his head.  All over a leg. 

I also hated the return of Ellen. Felt like such a cop out. And she was such a terrible character. Why bring back a hated character?  Nobody wanted her back.  I felt like season 4.5 was going well until she came back and started doing her thing.  Although I did like how condescending she was to Cavil/John/#1.  

In listening to the commentary Ronald D Moore said that if the writer's strike had gone on then there wouldn't have been a season 4.5.  I have to say I would have been OK with that. What a dark ending.  Especially if, while standing on radioactive Earth, they had panned back to Adama and his eye flashed red.  Last Cylon revealed. Cut to black.  End of show. 

 

Edited April 27, 2020 by HotRats2112

[VCRTracking]

 

 

[supposebly]

Michael Hogan (Colonel Tigh) has been battling the repercussions of a massive brain injury since February.

Message from Katie Sackhoff

Part of his wife's message:

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“The accident left him with complete paralysis on his left side, memory loss, cogntivie impairment and an inability to swallow.
Then things became incredibly more difficult during the COVID pandemic with visits by family being restricted then denied and no care team (physiotherapist, OT, speech therapist, etc. ) allowed in....

He fell and hit his head after a BSG convention.

[Bastet]

How horrible, and it's especially heartbreaking how the pandemic is affecting his care.  Lots more information can be found on the GoFundMe set up to help his family.

For anyone who doesn't know, his wife, actor Susan Hogan, played the head judge at Baltar's trial.

Check out Col. Tigh with lots of hair in their wedding photo:

[ClassicShowsFan]

34 minutes ago, Bastet said:

How horrible, and it's especially heartbreaking how the pandemic is affecting his care.  Lots more information can be found on the GoFundMe set up to help his family.

For anyone who doesn't know, his wife, actor Susan Hogan, played the head judge at Baltar's trial.

Check out Col. Tigh with lots of hair in their wedding photo:

 

2 hours ago, supposebly said:

Michael Hogan (Colonel Tigh) has been battling the repercussions of a massive brain injury since February.

Message from Katie Sackhoff

Part of his wife's message:

He fell and hit his head after a BSG convention.

That's terrible.

[Grammaeryn]

I wonder if Funko could make a special survivor/warrior Tigh figure to help raise funds for the Hogan family? Also, his Warehouse 13 family are aware of the situation - Eddie McClintock tweeted about it.

[SmithW6079]

I just found that "BSG" is now on the free streaming service, Tubi -- at least the first season is; Tubi doesn't always have complete seasons -- so I watched the miniseries for the first time in years. I'd forgotten how good it was, how well it set up the world of the colonies and kicked off the tension from the start. You can already see how tough Laura Roslin will be, when she takes command of relief efforts on Colonial 789 (soon to be Colonial One). 

I might do a rewatch of seasons 1 & 2, and then about half of 3, until they get rescued off New Caprica. After that, as I recall, it just becomes a shitshow.

This is still one of my favorite scenes in any show:

 The Cylons Arrive in New Caprica

Tyrol: What do you want to do now, Cap'n?
Starbuck: Same thing we always do. Fight 'em till we can't.

[Anduin]

A couple of stories I just stumbled upon. First, the interior of a baseship from the original version. Possibly NASA's Skylab trainer.

And second, an actual astronaut watched the new version while on the International Space Station, and even got a cameo on the show! I love this quote.

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There was some downside to watching the show in space, however. First, after seeing battlestars equipped with faster-than-light drives and bristling with laser cannon you can't help but feel your space station is kind of lame. Second, after a few episodes you start getting the sneaking feeling that at least one of your crewmates is really a Cylon.

According to his Wiki page, he was the technical advisor on For All Mankind for a while.

As a side note, given that it's RDM heading back to space, I should really give FAM a watch. Anyone else seen it? Any good?

[marinw]

On 5/22/2021 at 7:33 AM, Anduin said:

As a side note, given that it's RDM heading back to space, I should really give FAM a watch. Anyone else seen it? Any good?

I love FAM! I even kept the Apple+ account that came with my new iMac a few months after my free year expired., and I plan to re-subscribe when either a new season Dickenson or FAM drops. FAM is a very interesting counter-factual about what would happen if the Soviets had beat the Americans to the Moon. Unlike BSG, it's actually quite optimitistic.

As long as I'm here, does anyone know if the original 1978/79 BSG is streaming anywhere? Ever so so ften I get the urge to revisit.

Edited May 23, 2021 by marinw

[Anduin]

2 hours ago, marinw said:

I love FAM! I even kept the Apple+ account that came with my new iMac a few months after my free year expired., and I plan to re-subscribe when either a new season Dickenson or FAM drops. FAM is a very interesting counter-factual about what would happen if the Soviets had beat the Americans to the Moon. Unlike BSG, it's actually quite optimitistic.

As long as I'm here, does anyone know if the original 1978/79 BSG is streaming anywhere? Ever so soften I get the urge to revisit.

Thanks, I'll give it a look.

Google says the original BSG is on Amazon Prime.

[dargosmydaddy]

3 hours ago, marinw said:

As long as I'm here, does anyone know if the original 1978/79 BSG is streaming anywhere? Ever so soften I get the urge to revisit.

It streams free on Tubi.

[marinw]

2 hours ago, Anduin said:

Google says the original BSG is on Amazon Prime.

Just the 2004 BSG version, at least in Canada. The producer of Mr. Robot is planning another reboot for some reason.

[Night Cheese]

On 5/22/2021 at 3:33 AM, Anduin said:

As a side note, given that it's RDM heading back to space, I should really give FAM a watch. Anyone else seen it? Any good?

Mr. Night Cheese and I are big BSG (and RDM) fans and we both really like For All Mankind. He likes anything sci-fi and space related and I like history and counter-factuals, so it has a lot going for it that meets our interests. I've tried to get friends into FAM but so few people have AppleTV that it's next to impossible to get people to sign up for another streaming app just because of one recommendation for a TV show.

[Anduin]

So I watched the first ep of FAM. Pretty good. Weirdly, it felt like a prequel to the Expanse books. Haven't seen the show yet. Eventually, okay?

To stay on topic, I wondered about the version of this show that'd take place in the BSG universe. You just know the first person on the moon would be a secret monotheist, wouldn't they? Or they'd touch down and see Six in the red dress smiling like it was her plan all along. And their last name would probably be either Thrace or Baltar.

I could see Margo played by Mary McDonnell. She feels a lot like Roslin.

Nice to see a few familiar names in the crew too. Thompson and Weddle from BSG, Menosky from multiple Treks, and Shankar from TNG, Farscape, and the Expanse. Not exactly understocked for space opera writers, is it? I won't talk about it here going forward, but thanks for the rec.

[Anduin]

I watched ep 5 of FAM. Written by Weddle & Thompson. There's a BSG shoutout. One character says that sometimes you have to roll the hard six. For some reason, that made me laugh way more than it really deserved. And I usually hate meta humour. Another character repeats it later on.

The other big BSG thing in the whole series is the constant smoking. Does Moore still smoke? Given that the characters are puffing away like chimneys, I'm guessing yes.

And when I said that Margo reminded me of Roslin, that was a mistake. I meant Marge Slayton was the Roslin, played by Rebecca Wisocky.

Also, funny article. Moore jumps to Disney subsidiary 20th Television, where he will create a Swiss Family Robinson show. To which I have to ask, seriously? He must have touched more episodes of space opera TV than anyone else except maybe Dave Filoni. Why not offer him a Star Wars show? Nothing against Swiss Family Robinson, but really?

[marinw]

On 8/8/2021 at 8:38 AM, icemiser69 said:

I would rather watch the Lorne Green version where it looked like his uniform was nothing more than dark blue pajamas or sweatpants.

OG BSG was way ahead of its time in terms of costumes. Except for that infamous underwear scene in "Lost Planet of the Gods," the women actually wore uniforms that weren't spayed on Buck Rogers Style. 

I llke both version for different reasoins, just as I love original Star Trek and TNG for different reasons. 

Edited August 9, 2021 by marinw

[Idiotboy]

I saw Original Flavor BSG when I was teenager and it almost put me off science fiction for life. Unlike Buck Rogers (which had very similar production values), which aimed to be camp, BSG was blissfully oblivious to its own silliness, making it camp before the fact. Also, the storyline had almost nowhere to go. How many shows can you do of fluffy-haired heroes shooting it out with clumsy guys in chrome outfits, "By your command" and all that other jazz? BSG:1 was cheese and rancid cheese at that.

[Idiotboy]

On 9/17/2021 at 12:29 PM, Idiotboy said:

 

P.S.: I just met Mary McDonnell and FanX and she's real mensch. We agreed that BSG 2.0 is even more contemporary than when it was made. And she still looks gorgeous. McDonnell and EJO drew a crowd of a couple of thousand people or so to hear them discuss the serious. The two are still very playful and affectionate with each other, which is sweet.

Edited September 21, 2021 by Idiotboy

[SmithW6079]

On 8/8/2021 at 7:38 AM, icemiser69 said:

I remember all of the buzz when this series aired the first time around.  I finally got a chance to watch it last year on Comet.

I don't get.  I don't fault anyone for liking the series, but I just don't get why it was so popular.  And the ending was just awful.

I would rather watch the Lorne Green version where it looked like his uniform was nothing more than dark blue pajamas or sweatpants.

To be fair, out of four seasons, new BSG had two and a half good ones. I think it starts to go downhill after the Galactica rescues the humans from the Cylon occupation of New Caprica. I was just watching "33," the series first episode after the pilot, and it really is excellent. I remember being shocked at their decision regarding the Olympic Carrier and knew we were in for a rough ride.

[TVSpectator]

On 10/5/2021 at 9:23 AM, SmithW6079 said:

To be fair, out of four seasons, new BSG had two and a half good ones. I think it starts to go downhill after the Galactica rescues the humans from the Cylon occupation of New Caprica. I was just watching "33," the series first episode after the pilot, and it really is excellent. I remember being shocked at their decision regarding the Olympic Carrier and knew we were in for a rough ride.

For me, I would say that it was a really great scripted show but like you I would say that the show started to go downhill around, when they left New Caprica (and the show was able to also do some hot button takes on the current events of the time. New Caprica was more or less Iraq, the Cylons were religious tourists, the Colonials were basically us but they had a different religion, etc... There was an edge to it but it was written well enough to get away with it, IMO). 

[Hiyo]

Dean Stockwell passed away.

[Anduin]

1 hour ago, Hiyo said:

Dean Stockwell passed away.

Rest in peace. He really was great.

Youtube gives us his best scene in BSG.

 

[SparedTurkey]

Has anyone heard any details about this sequel that isn't a sequel that James Callis is spearheading? It has the whole cast (those who can be there that is) involved - including Helfer, McDonnell, Sackoff, Olmos, Bamber, Park etc.