S10.E18: Satan Loves Confusion

[mjstrick]

I ALWAYS have something to say after an episode, but this one rendered me speechless for 2 days. LOL! UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES should Shannon have even involved the hub in that whole anal expedition. I wouldve gone to the ER like others said. Never mind that I wouldn't be putting some quack's colonic system in my body. I had a rather gross incident with a pre-menopausal period. You think it'll slow down before it stops but nope. I bled like crazy before it stopped which was weird to me. One night i was in the bathtub and......TMI AHEAD....WARNING....a clot the size of my fist came out. I freaked the hell out and called my fiance. I didn't know what to do and was so freaked out I actually scooped it up and put it in his hand. Wtf? We went to the ER. But yeah. He now 3 years later has that memory and I wish it hadn't happened. Yuck.

Edited October 7, 2015 by mjstrick

[WireWrap]

I would have to check my Girl Code Handbook but I am under the impression it is never a good idea to tell anyone there husband is having an affair.  What would Heather have to gain from such a boneheaded move?  I still need some absolute proof that Heather knew -not heard rumors and not that she knew the woman.  Once it is out in the open-and that would have been last April since apparently Vicki didn't exactly keep her word, it  is easy to be the Monday morning quarterback or a psychic. 

I don't think you should tell someone either, unless they are your BFF, not someone you do not get along with. I will take Heather's word that she knew and also take David's/Shannon's word that Heather knew. Both David and Shannon have nothing to gain by lying that Heather knew and they would know better than any of us if in fact she knew. I suspect that the Mistress WARNED David that Heather knew, hence the upset that Heather was talking about the Beadors at the lunch with friends off camera.

[RedheadZombie]

I have a friend who not only told me about a "missing" tampon, she actually reenacted her husband's attempt to find it. As I cringed.

[cherry slushie]

I ALWAYS have something to say after an episode, but this one rendered me speechless for 2 days. LOL! UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES should Shannon have even involved the hub in that whole anal expedition. I wouldve gone to the ER like others said. Never mind that I wouldn't be putting some quack's colonic system on my body. I had a rather gross incident with a pee-menopausal period. You think it'll slow down before it stops bit nope. I bled like crazy before it stopped which was weird to me. One night o was in the bathtub and......TMI AHEAD....WARNING....a clot the size of my fist came out. I freaked the hell out and called my fiance. I didn't know what to do and was so freaked out I actually scooped it up and put it in his hand. Wtf? We went to the ER. But yeah. He now 3 years later has that memory and I wish it hadn't happened. Yuck.

 

In tears!  I can't even imagine what that was like for him!  SO funny (even though you were scared at the time, and thankfully all was okay!).

[mjstrick]

Frikkin horrible. I was so scared I just did it but he's never forgotten it. Lol and he's awesome and amazing and so not a Dick. But yeah he brought it up when he watched this with me Monday. Oops

[AnnA]

They are all unreliable............ 

 

.............  I haven't been convinced and considering the hot mess game of "Cancer Telephone" that has occurred this season I'm deciding to cast a vote of not guilty in the court of public opinion based on not enough hard core evidence. Court adjourned.

 

 

I agree with you about everyone being unreliable. 

 

This season's story line was distasteful on so many levels and I'm looking forward to it being over too.  However, as the recently departed Yogi Berra (RIP) used to say, "It ain't over 'til it's over."   Bravo will milk the current "court of opinion" for as long as they possibly can so it's not even close to being adjourned.

 

There are gossip sites reporting that Vicki will say that she was duped by Brooks.  I don't know if that's true or not.  Those sites are not that reliable.  Even if she does say it, that doesn't mean it's true either since Vicki is a lying liar who lies. She may say it just to make herself appear innocent in the cancer scam (if there was one).

Edited October 7, 2015 by AnnA

[cherry slushie]

IMO, it was never about wealth, that was only specuated on various boards but never on the show. I think Heather felt left out/pushed out by both Vicki and Tamra in the beginning and that made her sensitive to anything Shannon said/did.

 

Both Vicki and Tamra tried to target Heather in the beginning and Heather refused to take the bait so they had to switch targets. Vicki would run between Shannon and Tamra, feeding them info about Shannon/Tamra/Heather to keep the fued between Tamra/Heather and Shannon going. Tamra would then run back to Heather and repeat/embelish what Vicki told her about Heather and then run back to keep Vicki updated on what Heather said about Shannon and Vicki would in turn spill it to Shannon. If you go back and watch Vicki and Tamra, they BOTH played Shannon and Heather like sad little puppet because those 2 are puppet masters.

 

IMO, had Vicki and Tamra not played their nasty game, Heather and Shannon would have been friends from the get go.

While I do think Heather knew Shannon was coming to their house, I do NOT believe she knew WHY she was coming over. IMO, she may have though Shannon had found out about the affair and thought Tamra told Heather about it or that telling her she knew about the email from David would have led to revealing that he was having an affair.

According to David, Heather KNOWS the the mistress, so I suspect she knew about the affair when Shannon came to her house.

 

Also. I don't think Vicki and Shannon are back to friends yet but are more likely at the point that they both think they will be in the future.

I think it is just as possible that Heather did not want to be the one to tell Shannon, or anyone for that matter, that her husband was sleeping with another woman. That is not something a you tell someone you do not like or are at odds with unless you want to completly destroy them and are a heartless human being and I don't see Heather as that sort of person at all. JMO

 

Although I don't think Heather is a heartless human being in general, she was one the night she kicked Shannon out of her house.  As for Vicki and all the relaying goobeldy gock, none of it from Vicki was ever anti-Shannon.  Shannon was one of the few newbies Vicki actually liked, and she was very protective of her, as she should have been being privy to what Shannon was going through, and what Heather and Tamra were trying to do to her during this time.

[mjstrick]

I don't think she was duped, at least not for a while now. If he's really not sick (first time I'm going there, I've been a defender), she's an idiot if she fell for it. Cancer testing /treatment is exhausting and a full time job at times. Surely she not that stupid.

[cherry slushie]

I always thought Lydia's mom looked just like Bette Davis in Whatever Happened to Baby Jane.

 

 

 

 

 

LOL@Baby Jane.  I think she looks a lot like Dyan Cannon.  I bet people tell her that all the time.

[WireWrap]

Although I don't think Heather is a heartless human being in general, she was one the night she kicked Shannon out of her house.  As for Vicki and all the relaying goobeldy gock, none of it from Vicki was ever anti-Shannon.  Shannon was one of the few newbies Vicki actually liked, and she was very protective of her, as she should have been being privy to what Shannon was going through, and what Heather and Tamra were trying to do to her during this time.

Vicki would tell Tamra what Shannon said about Heather and Tamra would run tell Heather what Shannon said. Tamra would tell Vicki what Heather said about Shannon and Vicki would run tell Shannon what Heather said. That way, the 2 wealthiest, educated women on the show would not team up and freeze the 2 twits out. Both Tamra and Vicki played Heather and Shannon against each other IMO. As for Vicki not liking newbies, there were 2 newbies last season, Shannon and Lizzie! Vicki kept the wealthier, older newbie close to her while being nasty to the younger, prettier newbie, so she WAS nasty to a newbie. I don't remember there being 2 newbiews at the same time before on the OC show but if it has happened, did Vicki target both or just 1 of them?

[pamme64]

If in fact Shannon knew about the affair, as David insinuated, I'm more inclined to think she was protecting The Affair, or The Affair's friend who told her, or the friend of a friend of The Affair who told her, rather than Shannon.  The Affair seems to have some major pull in Orange County, and people either really like/respect her or are afraid/intimidated by her, given that everyone, including Heather, remained so tight-lipped about her being the other woman. JMO.

Or, they didn't speak about it because it's like a rash, they didn't want to catch. I've seen it happen in my circles, we all know, but we aren't going to discuss least it comes to visit our house.

[Former Nun]

As for the night that Heather told Shannon to LEAVE...it was only after she mentioned her children were there and she didn't want do discuss it.  I don't want to discuss it (Shannon continues).  I don't want to discuss it (Shannon continues).  LEAVE!   This is not verbatim, but this is how I remember the scene.

I would have to check my Girl Code Handbook but I am under the impression it is never a good idea to tell anyone there husband is having an affair.

 

 

I agree, Zoeysmom.  Say she's my best friend and I'm "obligated" to tell her.  I tell her, they separate for awhile because of my telling--they get back together.  All is forgiven...except ME!

[zoeysmom]

As for the night that Heather told Shannon to LEAVE...it was only after she mentioned her children were there and she didn't want do discuss it.  I don't want to discuss it (Shannon continues).  I don't want to discuss it (Shannon continues).  LEAVE!   This is not verbatim, but this is how I remember the scene.

 

I agree, Zoeysmom.  Say she's my best friend and I'm "obligated" to tell her.  I tell her, they separate for awhile because of my telling--they get back together.  All is forgiven...except ME!

Actually I think it had more to do with Heather not wanting to rat Tamra out.  So what does Tamra do the next day-take Shannon to lunch and tell her.  Something that was never discussed. I think that is also when she threw in the Terry Dubrow wants to take you down.  I think Terry could have handles taking the children away from the situation and Heather was not about to  betray her recently reconciled friendship with Tamra.

[Bebecat]

Ugh I can think of nothing more boring or banal than Icky with her own show. She just is not interesting. Her frat-girl days were disgusting, and yet, all she had going for her, TV-wise. She is rude, uncouth, classless and self-absorbed. And of late, boring as he**.

Brianna is determined to make a go of her marriage. Maybe she wants it that way or maybe she will not allow her pride to admit she was wrong. After all, Icky probably would be unable to resist a great big "I told you so". I wish Brianna could find happiness though. She has all my sympathy for growing up with that hysterical, vain, silly, domineering woman. And wouldn't Ryan receive pay while off work? Some kind of pay? Imthiught the military was good about this sort of thing, while they are active. Or did he do something "off the clock"? Seems like he would still try to claim it, Imo...or maybe I am just guessing he is shifty because he is such an a**.

I hope Donn reappears just to grab some more of Icky's money. He deserves all he can get.

[Gam2]

My best friend's husband was recently dIagnosed with cancer. It's a full time job for her to keep up with multiple doctors, appointments, testing and making sure that his doctors are communicating because he also has a heart problem. She spends her days taking care of all of this, cooking meals she hopes he can eat, cleaning the house, doing the shopping, laundry etc,etc and is happy to do it because they've been married for many years and she loves him. Nevertheless, it's absolutely exhausting for her. Not to mention the emotional support for him because he's so worried and upset. She's asked us to come down to their house so we can help her and him which we're more than willing to do. Does this sound like Vicki at all?

[zoeysmom]

Ugh I can think of nothing more boring or banal than Icky with her own show. She just is not interesting. Her frat-girl days were disgusting, and yet, all she had going for her, TV-wise. She is rude, uncouth, classless and self-absorbed. And of late, boring as he**.

Brianna is determined to make a go of her marriage. Maybe she wants it that way or maybe she will not allow her pride to admit she was wrong. After all, Icky probably would be unable to resist a great big "I told you so". I wish Brianna could find happiness though. She has all my sympathy for growing up with that hysterical, vain, silly, domineering woman. And wouldn't Ryan receive pay while off work? Some kind of pay? Imthiught the military was good about this sort of thing, while they are active. Or did he do something "off the clock"? Seems like he would still try to claim it, Imo...or maybe I am just guessing he is shifty because he is such an a**.

I hope Donn reappears just to grab some more of Icky's money. He deserves all he can get.

Briana should be encouraging her husband to get some type of education this last few years in the military.  There aren't a lot of civilian jobs for "artillery specialists".  If his back injury/PTSD is serious enough he could end up with early retirement for the USMC and I would feel for Briana if her reality show/RN money were the primary support for the family-Ryan just doesn't seem like the Mr. Mom type. 

[motorcitymom65]

I don't think you should tell someone either, unless they are your BFF, not someone you do not get along with. I will take Heather's word that she knew and also take David's/Shannon's word that Heather knew. Both David and Shannon have nothing to gain by lying that Heather knew and they would know better than any of us if in fact she knew. I suspect that the Mistress WARNED David that Heather knew, hence the upset that Heather was talking about the Beadors at the lunch with friends off camera.

Agreed. It is beyond rare that so many of these people tell the same story. In this case you have David (the guilty party), Shannon (the hurt party), and Heather (the accused party), all telling the same exact story. That Heather knew about the affair and told no one. They are not saying she guessed about it, that she suspected it, or that some psychic whispered about it in her ear. They are not saying it was a rumor or that Heather suspected an affair was in full swing. They all say she knew the affair was happening. True, it's not clear at this point how she knew, but there seems to be no debate about the fact she knew, unless for whatever reason they have all decided to mislead us. Good enough for me. It is funny that so much time is spent trying to determine the truth in what we see on these shows, mainly because one person is calling another a liar. Even when they all agree and there is zero discussion about what happened, there are chances that someone will speculate as to the actual facts.

[Fl Mom]

Because she often plays dumb when she's trying to act cute for attention, I didn't believe that Vicki didn't know what that term meant.

 

Was Meghan actually confused about a 17-year-old deciding not to accompany her to a 50-year-old stranger's baptism?

 

Shannon's incorrect use of "David and I" (instead of "David and me") was in overdrive tonight.

Thank you!  It seems that everytime I turn on a non-scripted (LOL) show, someone thinks it is right or proper to say "I" when it should be "me."  Drives me nuts!  Almost as crazy as "I seen." 

[Former Nun]

My best friend's husband was recently dIagnosed with cancer. It's a full time job for her to keep up with multiple doctors, appointments, testing and making sure that his doctors are communicating because he also has a heart problem. She spends her days taking care of all of this, cooking meals she hopes he can eat, cleaning the house, doing the shopping, laundry etc,etc and is happy to do it because they've been married for many years and she loves him. Nevertheless, it's absolutely exhausting for her. Not to mention the emotional support for him because he's so worried and upset. She's asked us to come down to their house so we can help her and him which we're more than willing to do.

 

 

And this, Gem2, is why so many of us who have similar experiences are SO PISSED OFF at Brooks, BRAVO, and this storyline!

[imjagain]

ugh I recently saw the whole Ryan v Lydias mom fight and it was even worse than I had thought. Brianas reaction... Stockholm syndrome or willful blindness to a real problem.

Ryan's reaction to Lydia's mom was scary. I don't pretend to understand why Brianna reacted the way she did. I just know that the whole episode was hard to watch and as much as I love my husband I could/would not be OK with his completely vile outburst towards another human being who did nothing to deserve that.

Ryan is a basic asshole who was disgusting. That episode alone made me set my mind up about who Ryan is. Is that fair idk, It's just how I feel.

[Scrambled Fog]

Nope.

I'm not gonna do it.

I refuse to pick apart a member of our armed forces w/ PTSD based on a few minutes of footage, filtered through the distorted lens of Bravo.

[AnnA]

Nope.

I'm not gonna do it.

I refuse to pick apart a member of our armed forces w/ PTSD based on a few minutes of footage, filtered through the distorted lens of Bravo.

You beat me to it!

I was reading the forum on my iPad while watching TV with a kitten on my lap and logged on just to say the same thing. We all know how Bravo edits the footage to maximize the impact of situations. A few minutes of footage from several years ago isn't going to convince me of anything.

[breezy424]

Ryan's reaction to Lydia's mom was scary. I don't pretend to understand why Brianna reacted the way she did. I just know that the whole episode was hard to watch and as much as I love my husband I could/would not be OK with his completely vile outburst towards another human being who did nothing to deserve that.

Ryan is a basic asshole who was disgusting. That episode alone made me set my mind up about who Ryan is. Is that fair idk, It's just how I feel.

Yes, Ryan's reaction to Lydia's mom was scary.  And over the top.  But I do understand why Brianna reacted the way she did given Ryan's mentality.  She actually did tell him to stop but then the 'Wait, this is my husband and I can't 'do' this in front of cameras and other people' mentality set in.  So, she defended him.  I wouldn't doubt that Brianna gave him an earful after the party.  Or maybe not.... because I just don't know what Ryan is capable of.  In other words, is she's afraid of him?  Or was afraid of him?

 

In any event, Ryan owed Lydia's mother a huge apology. 

Edited October 8, 2015 by breezy424

[DebbieM4]

As for the night that Heather told Shannon to LEAVE...it was only after she mentioned her children were there and she didn't want do discuss it.  I don't want to discuss it (Shannon continues).  I don't want to discuss it (Shannon continues).  LEAVE!   This is not verbatim, but this is how I remember the scene.

 

 

That's how I remember it too, and I watched it several times.  Shannon then ran around and told everyone how Heather had thrown her out of her house, and I just didn't see it that way.  Heather firmly asked Shannon to leave, and it was only because Shannon was escalating the situation and not being respectful of Heather's request not to discuss it then & there because her children were within earshot.  Shannon was acting insane, so I don't see what choice Heather had and I thought she handled it well.

 

Asking someone to leave after being pushed to that point is not the same as throwing someone out of their house.  For me, that would be more a heated & angry, "Get the fuck out of my house!", and it was nothing like that.  Heather stayed calm, and yes her tone was strong - and  it had to be because Shannon wasn't listening to her  - but she really was simply asking her to leave, and I didn't blame her one bit for doing that.  I wouldn't allow anyone to carry on like that in my home and cause that kind of disturbance either.  Whether or not children were present.

Edited October 8, 2015 by DebbieM4

[breezy424]

IMO, Heather was rude to Shannon.  I don't remember Shannon yelling and it obviously was a 'scheduled' filming.  If Heather was worried about disturbing her children, why would she allow a film crew to be in the house at the time?  That, in itself, could disturb the children.  

 

I just don't give Heather a pass on her behavior toward Shannon last season, especially at the dinner party.  And Tamra was the worst...should we call an ambulance?  When watching last season, it seemed like Shannon was being gas lighted.

[zoeysmom]

That's how I remember it too, and I watched it several times.  Shannon then ran around and told everyone how Heather had thrown her out of her house, and I just didn't see it that way.  Heather firmly asked Shannon to leave, and it was only because Shannon was escalating the situation and not being respectful of Heather's request not to discuss it then & there because her children were within earshot.  Shannon was acting insane, so I don't see what choice Heather had and I thought she handled it well.

 

Asking someone to leave after being pushed to that point is not the same as throwing someone out of their house.  For me, that would be more a heated & angry, "Get the fuck out of my house!", and it was nothing like that.  Heather stayed calm, and yes her tone was strong - and  it had to be because Shannon wasn't listening to her  - but she really was simply asking her to leave, and I didn't blame her one bit for doing that.  I wouldn't allow anyone to carry on like that in my home and cause that kind of disturbance either.  Whether or not children were present.

It was the hand gestures that added to the drama.  Never a good look showing someone the door.  Heather was guilty of gossiping-I don't believe for one minute she tried to shut it down. 

[imjagain]

Nope.

I'm not gonna do it.

I refuse to pick apart a member of our armed forces w/ PTSD based on a few minutes of footage, filtered through the distorted lens of Bravo.

I don't think I'm picking apart anything. I saw him act like an ass and stated that I thought it was disgusting. Ryan being a member of armed forces does not shield him from being called out on horrible behavior. He can be critiqued on his behavior he displays on a reality show.

You beat me to it!

I was reading the forum on my iPad while watching TV with a kitten on my lap and logged on just to say the same thing. We all know how Bravo edits the footage to maximize the impact of situations. A few minutes of footage from several years ago isn't going to convince me of anything.

[Grneyedldy]

My best friend's husband was recently dIagnosed with cancer. It's a full time job for her to keep up with multiple doctors, appointments, testing and making sure that his doctors are communicating because he also has a heart problem. She spends her days taking care of all of this, cooking meals she hopes he can eat, cleaning the house, doing the shopping, laundry etc,etc and is happy to do it because they've been married for many years and she loves him. Nevertheless, it's absolutely exhausting for her. Not to mention the emotional support for him because he's so worried and upset. She's asked us to come down to their house so we can help her and him which we're more than willing to do. Does this sound like Vicki at all?

Not all cancers and their treatments are the same. Brooks said he was getting a chemo drug every six weeks. That makes a big difference. My husband had prostate cancer. It was treated with radiation seed implants as an out patient. After the surgery he had to sit on a bag of frozen peas off and on for the day. That was it. No further problems. Years later he was diagnosed with cancer of the larynx. He had a 4 hr chemo session then came home with a fanny pack chemo system that administered chemo continuously for a week. He seemed fine until the day after the pack was removed and then went down hill quickly. He nearly died and was in the hospital for 24 days. The doctors had no idea why, just some possible explanations. He went on to complete radiation with fewer complication then most.

My point is there is no way to compare "cancers". There are just too many other factors that come into play.

[freeradical]

Nope.

I'm not gonna do it.

I refuse to pick apart a member of our armed forces w/ PTSD based on a few minutes of footage, filtered through the distorted lens of Bravo.

You can't filter out what someone actually did! So, the theory is that a 65 year old woman's feet on the couch threw him into a PTSD flashback, full temper tantrum freak out, complete with fighting with everyone else at the party and maintaining that he was right all along! She had her damn feet on the couch! Her feet on someone else's COUCH! Plus, The military doesn't have a monopoly or a free pass on PTSD. Lots of people experience it. Deal with it or don't expose people to your disorder. It's not like he was drafted. Edited October 8, 2015 by freeradical

[eurekagirl mOo]

As for the night that Heather told Shannon to LEAVE...it was only after she mentioned her children were there and she didn't want do discuss it.  I don't want to discuss it (Shannon continues).  I don't want to discuss it (Shannon continues).  LEAVE!   This is not verbatim, but this is how I remember the scene.

 

 

Annnnnnd that right there is Shannons problem...she does not understand, or can't read people, when they ask her to STFU. The same thing happened at Vickys lunch. Vicky-Please don't talk about this. It's upsetting and I'm sick of it"  Shannon-" But But But I have to TALK about it!"Rinse, Repeat. (Not an actual transcript)

I like Shannon about 1/2 the time. The rest of the time she's just a rich ding dong who needs to learn to shut up.

Oh and Shan???? Way to rekindle the romance with hubby! YUCK

I do not care that Brianna is a nurse or her ragey husband is in the military..and I leave in a HUGE military town and have great respect for the military....doesn't mean some people aren't assholes no matter what their job is . Same with Brianna. Be a nurse! Terrific.Doesn't mean she isn't still an asshole.

I never cared for Brianna and watching her bad mouth her MOTHER on tv made me sick. Maybe I'm just touchy because my Mom has dementia. Wait till your Mom doesn't know who you are Brianna! You will regret every nasty thing you ever said. 

Lastly- Ryan does make good money. And he would still receive a paycheck and free medical. Brianna makes good money also. Nurses make big bucks. They get Bravo bucks every year.They live in a HUGE house and she drives a Mercedes! Wish my life was that horrible! Oh wait---both her kids are alive and healthy. Rough life ya got there.

[Yours Truly]

It appears that she did know it for a fact. David said himself he thought that she did. How did she know? At this point we don't know the answer to that question. Perhaps The Affair told her. Perhaps the best friend of The Affair told her. Perhaps a close friend saw them checking into a hotel room. There are a number of ways that Heather could have known for a fact that they were sleeping together. I would assume that for David to say that he was certain she knew that there must have been a reason for that. And how do we know that the women weren't talking about the email? My understanding is that the accusation is that Heather was talking about it. I don't believe it was ever said that she was the one who shared the original piece of information. Perhaps someone else knew about it and was talking about it. We just don't know everything that happened.

As far as bizarro world, I don't know that either. What I do know is that Heather never said "boo" about Shannon or her marriage on TV. Whatever she said was said off camera in a conversation with other people who seemed to know about their situation. She was apparently talking with people who were in the loop as to certain things. Again, she shouldn't have been doing it, but I never saw how this was such a horrendous sin. I have certainly done the same thing, as have most people I know. What she didn't do was to ever talk about Shannon's situation on camera - ever. When her BFF Tamra was talking about her being a mess, her only comment was "I would agree". She didn't participate in talking about anything regarding Shannon except for the fact that she didn't really like her and that her personal issues didn't make it OK for her to be a mess. She didn't make it personal or take the opportunity of not liking Shannon to make public information that she knew about Shannon and her marriage. Not on camera and according to Shannon not off camera either. It is true that in a fair and just world people wouldn't gossip about such things. The fact is that Heather didn't like Shannon. I think her reasons were unfair, but I completely get them at the same time. I think there is something to be said about someone who was hammered for an entire season about her treatment of Shannon, upto and including the reunion, and she kept her mouth shut about what she knew about the Beador's. It is just as likely that some of the people gossiping about Shannon and her marriage that day at lunch were friends of Shannon's. It is likely they were saying all kinds of things. It would have been easy with Shannon standing in her home accusing her of gossiping to deflect blame on herself by giving her the scoop on which of Shannon's other friends were gossiping about her marriage. Of what they were saying about her and David. She threw no one under the bus, which I think given the circumstances was something to be admired. Again, Shannon seems to know the whole story and she is grateful to Heather.

On camera, off camera? Talking shit is talking shit. Bizarro world.

 

So we can assume a million things about how Heather knew for a fact of the affair but then we can't believe that Heather offered up that email information because again assumptions on how someone else may have brought it up first and Heather was just discussing it and adding what she knew.

 

Tell you what, I'll stick with my orginial stance on the matter which is: If you're not keeping my name out of your mouth then you're a fucking bitch and I'm not throwing you a parade because on one issue you stayed mum while on another issue you were lapping up the tea as well as serving some yourself. Nah, no Girl Code medal from me. I mean I'm just debating the parade and the honor that's being bestowed. It's such a desperate stretch to keep the newly created bond in tact. Man fuck that! If Shannon wants to let that detail go no worries that's her prerogative. Fine by me. Friends do it all the time and if Shannon wants to do that for Heather I ain't mad at her it's the fucking halo I ain't approving of. The girl did you dirty, but that's all in the past and you've decided to move on. Done. I can't stand this unnecesarry attempt to spin it to be something other than what it was and I sure as hell resent the fact that she's trying to commend the bitch for wrong doings. Just let it fade away, speak on it no more and build the new found "friendship" no need to revise history.

Bottom line for me is that Shannon is fine with Heather. If Shannon, who knows far more about what happened than any of us, is now OK with Heather, has forgiven any slight she may have felt from her last season, then IMO, anyone supporting Shannon should be as well. Also, visa versa, with Heather towards Shannon.

I love a person who can move on I'm just annoyed with the attempt to paint Heather as a good little girl scout that earned her Girl Code Badge for only gossiping about the email and not about The actual affair. This is more pet peeve territory than anything. Ridiculous.

Edited October 8, 2015 by Yours Truly

[Midnight Cheese]

You can't filter out what someone actually did! So, the theory is that a 65 year old woman's feet on the couch threw him into a PTSD flashback, full temper tantrum freak out, complete with fighting with everyone else at the party and maintaining that he was right all along! She had her damn feet on the couch! Her feet on someone else's COUCH! Plus, The military doesn't have a monopoly or a free pass on PTSD. Lots of people experience it. Deal with it or don't expose people to your disorder. It's not like he was drafted.

Love you.  Thank you so much, I'm sick of the conversation being strangled about this, and the implication that some people just don't support our military.  Uh-uh.  To play on a stronger phrase, please make love to that commotion.  It's not like we're peering in at someone in Walter Reed and mocking them.  This assjack is on this show because he thinks he's a stah. 

Edited October 8, 2015 by Midnight Cheese

[pamme64]

I always thought Lydia's mom looked just like Bette Davis in Whatever Happened to Baby Jane.

 

 

 

 

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[kira28]

Way too much TMI this episode. The enema and Shannon was just all sorts of gross. Stop talking about this stuff in front of your kids!! I still say Shannon and David are not going to make it. I hope I am wrong but clearly Shannon is David's 2nd choice and she does not realize it. If his mistress claims she didn't want to be with HIM, then that is likely the only reason he came back and pretends to work things out. I can't take him seriously (about working things out) because there are too many times he treats Shannon like shit. Her birthday is one. That was one huge passive aggressive FU. It was sad when they met with the therapist and Shannon said it had been a year since she found out and she was in such a better place now, that they were happy etc and that she used to think about the affair every hour of every day and now she can go days and weeks without thinking about it and literally 2 minutes later David said something that reminded her that he told her he could talk to the mistress about anything and she started crying. I know it still hurts her but she's lying to herself about how far she's come or that she's getting over it. She's not and most likely will not. I think if David met someone else he would cheat on her again. He just doesn't  seem into her. I think if he had the option of being with the affair woman he would have easily chosen her. He just doesn't strike me as remorseful.

I fast forwarded thru Megan and tamara's scenes so nothing to comment there. I am SICK of hearing and Brooks and if  he has cancer or not.  At this point I do NOT care. If he is lying then I hope Karma gets him. Love Vicki's brother. Not sure why. Am disgusted by Briana. She has NO right to be all critical of Brooks. The house smells weird and has a bad aura because he's living there? PULEASE. Look in the mirror honey. You chose someone far more offensive than Brooks to marry. Your mom is just shacking up with Brooks, doesn't have two kids with him and a ring on her finger. I hate defending Brooks but Brianna has NO room to talk. At least Vicki seemed happy. Brianna is clearly miserable. Heather and Terry? Not much to say. Making that comment in front of your son is just tacky and eww!

 

[Duke2801]

Wait till your Mom doesn't know who you are Brianna! You will regret every nasty thing you ever said.

 

Ugh.  I'm sorry for your situation. But no. You can't apply one set of circumstances to another.

 

Vicki is a toxic, raging narcissist who I'm speculating made Brianna's life incredibly unpleasant at times.  But somehow, should Vicki be diagnosed with Alzheimers or another disease "someday" - every vile thing she's done or said should be forgotten?  And Brianna should just slit her wrists in guilt? Being sick one day won't suddenly make her St. Vicki. 

 

I mean, I loved my mom - and she was a much, much better person than Vicki.  But do I regret every argument or perhaps less-than-kind thing I ever said to her during an argument because she's now deceased?  No.... no I do not. Like, that's just unhealthy and unnecessary. I know it's certainly not how SHE would want me to feel.

 

But then again, this IS Vicki we're talking about.  I'm sure even Ghost Vicki will somehow find a way to make everything about her some day. 

[Freckledbruh]

Ugh.  I'm sorry for your situation. But no. You can't apply one set of circumstances to another.

 

Vicki is a toxic, raging narcissist who I'm speculating made Brianna's life incredibly unpleasant at times.  But somehow, should Vicki be diagnosed with Alzheimers or another disease "someday" - every vile thing she's done or said should be forgotten?  And Brianna should just slit her wrists in guilt? Being sick one day won't suddenly make her St. Vicki. 

 

I mean, I loved my mom - and she was a much, much better person than Vicki.  But do I regret every argument or perhaps less-than-kind thing I ever said to her during an argument because she's now deceased?  No.... no I do not. Like, that's just unhealthy and unnecessary. I know it's certainly not how SHE would want me to feel.

 

But then again, this IS Vicki we're talking about.  I'm sure even Ghost Vicki will somehow find a way to make everything about her some day.

If Vicki is/was such a horrible mother then Brianna can cease to have contact with her. Brianna is an adult and nobody has a gun to her head forcing her to have a relationship with Vicki. Michael has clearly drawn boundaries in their relationship and he doesn't bad mouth her like Brianna and he certainly doesn't bad mouth her relationship with Brooks.

[ivygirl]

Someone somewhere upthread referenced Tamra's baptism being like a white party. 

 

Forgive me if I missed another remark of this nature (I'll blame my flu delirium... I have been reading!): Does that mean Tamra's trying to out-Kyle Richards Kyle Richards with an end-of-season white party?

 

I now half-expect an In-N-Out truck to show up. And maybe a faux Faye Resnick. 

Edited October 8, 2015 by ivygirl

[Cherrio]

If Vicki is/was such a horrible mother then Brianna can cease to have contact with her. Brianna is an adult and nobody has a gun to her head forcing her to have a relationship with Vicki. Michael has clearly drawn boundaries in their relationship and he doesn't bad mouth her like Brianna and he certainly doesn't bad mouth her relationship with Brooks.

How do you know all this about Michael?  I don't recall seeing him on the show much if at all this season.

[Bebecat]

I think Brianna has come to count on the Bravo paycheck. Whatever amount she gets, it is likely more than an average person's salary, Imo. So she has to deal with Icky. Also, I think she her mother's daughter, in wanting a forum to show how "wronged" she feels, etc...

[Yours Truly]

 

 

Vicki is a toxic, raging narcissist who I'm speculating made Brianna's life incredibly unpleasant at times. 

Brianna has a parent that made life unpleasant at times??  Who didn't?? Maaaaannnn am I jealous of the childhoods some people must have had considering I don't think having a parent with issues is all that traumatizing.  Does it make for a TVland childhood? Nope, I'm always in shock of what people think should pass for childhood these days. I get that we should be aiming very high succefully raise our children but I always have to snicker at all the pearl clutching that goes on because EGAD "those poor children", "how awful to be raised by someone like Vicki" I mean, love, financial security, a home, education, family, friends, the basics usually provide enough of a foundation for people to survive the rest of their life. Bad times, bad parenting, selfishness, mistakes and compromise isn't some absolute recipe of a tragic upbringing. It's just life that most people are able to accept as part of their life story. Does it create hurdles to overcome in the future, yeah, are there issues that somewhat negatively impacts the quality of life? Of course, but I don't see it as something to be so empathetic about. Even with all of Brianna's issues she's grown, educated and has a supportive family unit so if there are things in her life that go sour she has a lot of options as do most people struggling to get through from one day to the next.

 

I think it's sad that we actually feel that non picture perfect moments in a home with children equates to HORRIFIC childhood conditions that NO CHILD should have to endure. Sometimes life sucks and being a child doesn't automatically excuse you from that reality. Shielding them as much as we can is one thing. Expecting to follow some standard that society likes to impose as some requirement really gets on my nerves. It reminds me of how, on the reunion, they tried to shade Toya for drinking wine with Jill in the back yard during a playdate (Married to Medicine). Like really. I drink wine at home all the time in front of mom son. Quick, call Child Protective service. I'm not proud of this but I also curse all the time but I gave up worrying about it cause I am who I am and that's who my son has as his mother. Tired of pretending that's going to cause him irrepairable damage. I just don't think children who have HUMAN parents are going to live the rest of their life battling demons and worse should be excused for bullshit behavior cause ya know, he grew up with his mom drinking wine and cursing in front of him all the time. Whaaaaaa?

 

Sure Vicki is a hot mess but that's who Brianna has as a mother. Vicki's issues and faults as a person only matters (in the context of villianizing her as a parent) if she's purposely abusing her children to cause pain, or neglecting their needs. As far as I can tell Vicki has succeeded in her role as a mother. All the other factors and issues fall under her flaws and faults as likable person but in my eyes she succeeded in raising her children. They are not perfect just as she is not perfect. There are REAL cases of childhood neglect, abandonment and abuse so it really annoying to me when I see the parental bad judgements, some selfishness, overbearingness, mistakes and the like of the HW's equated to some awful living circumstances and a tragic childhood in the making. ITS NOT THE SAME.

 

ETA: What's the story with Brianna's father anyway? Reminds me of a recent song Eminem put out a couple of years back apologizing to his mom and how bad he publicly criticized and shamed her for his bad childhood. One part of the song he admitted to hating the conditions, her addiction, her bad judgement, parenting, etc. etc. but then pointed out how he never thought about taking his absent father to task. It was always about blaming her. Realizing that she was not that great of a mother but at least she was there and she did the best she could while his father couldn't even be bothered. Now these are the kind of childhood stories I'm familiar with. Terry's inappropriateness, Shannon and David's lack of discretion, Vicki's annoying self, while not the best of circumstances, don't really hit the radar to me. It's unfortunate of course but if people can overcome so much more angst in a childhood I'm guessing Terry's son will get passed that skevy moment, etc. etc.

Edited October 8, 2015 by Yours Truly

[Freckledbruh]

How do you know all this about Michael?  I don't recall seeing him on the show much if at all this season.

Well he has been on the show off and on for several seasons and I have yet to see him bad mouth Vicki the way Brianna has AND he said that he didn't have anything against Brooks and said that he thought Brianna's intense hatred for the man is weird.  Do you have some experience with him that makes his own words invalid?

[Yours Truly]

If Vicki is/was such a horrible mother then Brianna can cease to have contact with her. Brianna is an adult and nobody has a gun to her head forcing her to have a relationship with Vicki. Michael has clearly drawn boundaries in their relationship and he doesn't bad mouth her like Brianna and he certainly doesn't bad mouth her relationship with Brooks.

Exactly!

[Lucelu]

And.....E.R. nurses see a lot more than other nurses because the patients come in with everything.  They would have more knowledge than a nurse that specializes in say Obstetrics or a Cardiac floor.

          My neighbor was actually diagnosed as a terminal pancreatic cancer patient in the E.R. 

I'm sorry for your neighbor. I actually work in a city hospital as a floor nurse and have worked in the ER and while people come in with all kinds of different problems, the ER will sent them for testing but get them out of there for treatment. Hardly any of my patients come from the ED with having any of their meds given to them -- only the emergent ones,  and maybe 1 in 10 has even been fed and if they cannot get to the toilet under their own steam, probably soiled. No one treats a patient's pancreatic cancer in the ER. They just don't. The ER nurse might give some pain medication but that is about it and they don't have time to ponder over the test results. The turf the patients out to the appropriate inpatient floor or send them home with referrals as soon as possible. One of the quality indicators/care compass goals is shortened stays in the ED. The ED nurse usually does not even have an aide to help. Sometimes they will send a student nurse aide down there to answer bells and help clean patients up but it is not anything they can count on. Typically there is one provider (Dr.) on during the night and maybe 2 during the day. They call in consult MDs if they determine it is a specific problem and the consult decides if they need to admit them. If they are not sure, the patients are sent to an observation floor which is like a 23 hr admission.

[Cherrio]

Well he has been on the show off and on for several seasons and I have yet to see him bad mouth Vicki the way Brianna has AND he said that he didn't have anything against Brooks and said that he thought Brianna's intense hatred for the man is weird.  Do you have some experience with him that makes his own words invalid?

All I asked was a simple straightforward question. No, I do not know him or have any experience with him.   What has been telling to me over the years is how angry he was when Vicki barged into his place uninvited and how he has made it known he does not want her to know where he lives now.

   Additionally, I don't think he would care much (putting it lightly) for a man who is living off his mother and has called her a whore and said he is going to beat her ass.

I'm sorry for your neighbor. I actually work in a city hospital as a floor nurse and have worked in the ER and while people come in with all kinds of different problems, the ER will sent them for testing but get them out of there for treatment. Hardly any of my patients come from the ED with having any of their meds given to them -- only the emergent ones,  and maybe 1 in 10 has even been fed and if they cannot get to the toilet under their own steam, probably soiled. No one treats a patient's pancreatic cancer in the ER. They just don't. The ER nurse might give some pain medication but that is about it and they don't have time to ponder over the test results. The turf the patients out to the appropriate inpatient floor or send them home with referrals as soon as possible. One of the quality indicators/care compass goals is shortened stays in the ED. The ED nurse usually does not even have an aide to help. Sometimes they will send a student nurse aide down there to answer bells and help clean patients up but it is not anything they can count on. Typically there is one provider (Dr.) on during the night and maybe 2 during the day. They call in consult MDs if they determine it is a specific problem and the consult decides if they need to admit them. If they are not sure, the patients are sent to an observation floor which is like a 23 hr admission.

Notice I said diagnosed in the E.R.    not treated.

[Duke2801]

Brianna had a parent that made life unpleasant at times??  Who didn't?? Maaaaannnn am I jealous of the childhoods some people must have had considering I don't think having a parent with issues is all that traumatizing.  Does it make for a TVland childhood? Nope, I'm always in shock of what people think should pass for childhood these days. I get that we should be aiming very high succefully raise our children but I always have to snicker at all the pearl clutching that goes on because EGAD "those poor children", "how awful to be raised by someone like Vicki" I mean, love, financial security, a home, education, family, friends, the basics usually provide enough of a foundation for people to survive the rest of their life. Bad times, bad parenting, selfishness, mistakes and compromise isn't some absolute recipe of a tragic upbringing. It's just life that most people are able to accept as part of their life story. Does it create hurdles to overcome in the future, yeah, are there issues that somewhat negatively impacts the quality of life? Of course, but I don't see it as something to be so empathetic about. Even with all of Brianna's issues she's grown, educated and has a supportive family unit so if there are things in her life that go sour she has a lot of options as do most people struggling to get through from one day to the next.

 

I think it's sad that we actually feel that non picture perfect moments in a home with children equates to HORRIFIC childhood conditions that NO CHILD should have to endure. Sometimes life sucks and being a child doesn't automatically excuse you from that reality. Shielding them as much as we can is one thing. Expecting to follow some standard that society likes to impose as some requirement really gets on my nerves. It reminds me of how, on the reunion, they tried to shade Toya for drinking wine with Jill in the back yard during a playdate (Married to Medicine). Like really. I drink wine at home all the time in front of mom son. Quick, call Child Protective service. I'm not proud of this but I also curse all the time but I gave up worrying about it cause I am who I am and that's who my son has as his mother. Tired of pretending that's going to cause him irrepairable damage. I just don't think children who have HUMAN parents are going to live the rest of their life battling demons and worse should be excused for bullshit behavior cause ya know, he grew up with his mom drinking wine and cursing in front of him all the time. Whaaaaaa?

 

Sure Vicki is a hot mess but that's who Brianna has as a mother. Vicki's issues and faults as a person only matters (in the context of villianizing her as a parent) if she's purposely abusing her children to cause pain, or neglecting their needs. As far as I can tell Vicki has succeeded in her role as a mother. All the other factors and issues fall under her flaws and faults as likable person but in my eyes she succeeded in raising her children. They are not perfect just as she is not perfect. There are REAL cases of childhood neglect, abandonment and abuse so it really annoying to me when I see the parental bad judgements, some selfishness, overbearingness, mistakes and the like of the HW's equated to some awful living circumstances and a tragic childhood in the making. ITS NOT THE SAME.

 

Oy. Nowhere did I insinuate Brianna had a horrific, abusive childhood or young adulthood.  I'm saying that she has a narcissist for a mother, and said mother most likely made life unpleasant for her at times. These two things are not one and the same. And  not even remotely the point I was getting at. 

 

My point was that I find the notion that illness and/or death somehow absolves somebody of their wrongdoings ...quite tiresome. And the idea that Brianna should regret every. single. thing she's ever said to Vicki in anger or frustration should Vicki ever fall ill one day... preposterous. It was not "oh POOR put upon Brianna." Clearly Brianna is a grown adult and mother now, and she has her own part to play in the somewhat toxic relationship between the two of them now.    

[Lucelu]

It's about perception.  And going on a reality show & slaughtering the English language in front of millions of viewers is absolutely a choice to make yourself look like an idiot.  And no, it's not a leap at all, for anyone to assume someone is uneducated (and a moron) if he/she is slaughtering the English language constantly.  Again, it's your choice.  If you're fine & dandy with it & you've sailed by doing it, then good for you.  I'd get nowhere with it (professionally or otherwise).  So I'll pass, thanks.

 

And apparently, bad grammar won't get you dates either-

 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/whats-really-hot-on-dating-sites-proper-grammar-1443746849

 

Guess I better watch my grammar all the time now, and not just when I'm on a reality show or working.

Well, this isn't The Real Housewives of Stanford. I don't have such high expectations of materialistic privileged celebrity status seekers.

[Freckledbruh]

All I asked was a simple straightforward question. No, I do not know him or have any experience with him.   What has been telling to me over the years is how angry he was when Vicki barged into his place uninvited and how he has made it known he does not want her to know where he lives now.

   Additionally, I don't think he would care much (putting it lightly) for a man who is living off his mother and has called her a whore and said he is going to beat her ass.

 

Well that would go back to my post where I said that he established boundaries for their relationship.  Plus, that happened when he was in college.  Dude is a grown man now AND has worked for her company for years.  If you don't believe the words out of his own mouth then that is on you.  I believe that he doesn't have an issue with Brooks because he said so.  My main point was that Brianna is an adult and can choose how much of a relationship that she has with Vicki.  In fact, she calls Vicki her best friend.  I am not pulling Michael's words out of thin air.  He actually has said these things on the show.

 

My point was that I find the notion that illness and/or death somehow absolves somebody of their wrongdoings

Well, how exactly does the poster saying that Brianna may regret bad mouthing her mother on television and to her cast mates (a woman she considers her best friend no less) absolves Vicki from her wrong doings?  I have regretted saying some things about people BUT that doesn't absolve that person from what s/he did that was wrong.

Edited October 8, 2015 by Freckledbruh

[jaync]

Vicki's been to OK fifty-'leven times, gave Brianna a new vehicle, and had Brooks leave her (and his) home for Brianna's benefit. Yet, Vicki is putting Brooks before Brianna? Whatever, Brianna.

 

I doubt Vicki's house is any more funky than the waft of Brianna's boob sweat and pissyness.

 

Anybody else notice the license tag on Vicki's limo was "CRYST11"?

 

 I don't believe for one minute that she didn't tell Terry about David's affair.

Forget a minute, I don't believe it for a second. The Dubrows were too united in their butthurt for the Beadors at that time, and Terry can be a nosy mofo, so no way that info wasn't shared between them, imo.

 

Man, David really one-upped Eddie in terms of getting something out of their wife's ass. Maybe David got some buttsex for his effort.

 

So relieved that a lot of other people here thought the same thing.  This doesn't mean we watch too much reality tv, does it?

Hee, it's not too much if it's the good stuff. Shannon is HW gold, and Being Bobby Brown was reality show platinum.

 

Were Stella's green aviators the same as Lisa VP's? Cool kid.

[Lucelu]

I am addressing Briana's as well as other's assertions that she would know what the treatment was based upon her experience as an ED nurse. The Radiology dept. along with a oncology consult is who would diagnose a pancreatic cancer. Although, for an accurate diagnosis, one needs a biopsy (which is not done in the ED). The perception of being diagnosed "in the ER" notwithstanding. The ER is a gateway and a triage station and emergency treatment for acute events.

Notice I said diagnosed in the E.R.    not treated.

[OhIgetit]

IMO, Heather was rude to Shannon. I don't remember Shannon yelling and it obviously was a 'scheduled' filming. If Heather was worried about disturbing her children, why would she allow a film crew to be in the house at the time? That, in itself, could disturb the children.

I just don't give Heather a pass on her behavior toward Shannon last season, especially at the dinner party. And Tamra was the worst...should we call an ambulance? When watching last season, it seemed like Shannon was being gas lighted.

Knowing that Heather knew I think she decided to look like the bad guy, rather than discuss Shannon's marriage in front of the cameras.