Episode Discussion: TFGH

[LeftPhalange]

Why doesn't the Quartermaine mansion have security guards armed with sniper rifles and .50 cal machine guns? There's absolutely no reason why Franco shouldn't have been shot on sight as soon as he stepped on the property. 

[Sake614]

I did appreciate it that both Crazy Nina and Serious, yet Drugged Michael made similar sarcastic remarks about having to take care of the baby they kidnapped. 

 

In what way, shape or form did Michael kidnap baby AJ? He was awarded custody by the only sane judge in Port Charles based on the child's best interests. Okay so the judge also happens to be Michael's grandmother's boyfriend, but he still made the right decision.

[Cattitude]

No one is speaking of the elephant in the room. IF it was indeed Silas who kidnapped Avery talk about someone being thrown under a bus!

 

Silas may be an epic fail but in no way shape or form would real Silas

 

1. Hide a convicted murder

2. Be so in love with a fling from 20 yrs ago

3. Lie to his daughter about her mom's death and the whereabouts of Avery.

4. KIDNAP A FREAKIN' BABY!

 

His whole story right now is utterly ridiculous. RME

[LeftPhalange]

No one is speaking of the elephant in the room. IF it was indeed Silas who kidnapped Avery talk about someone being thrown under a bus!

 

Silas may be an epic fail but in no way shape or form would real Silas

 

1. Hide a convicted murder

2. Be so in love with a fling from 20 yrs ago

3. Lie to his daughter about her mom's death and the whereabouts of Avery.

4. KIDNAP A FREAKIN' BABY!

 

His whole story right now is utterly ridiculous. RME

 

I hope Silas does the right thing. Place a pillow over Ava's face and press down in a gentle but firm manner until she stops breathing. 

[TeeVee329]

Silas is so disconnected from everything - even moreso than before - that it feels like he's on another show.  A show I wish would be canceled.

[rur]

What the fuck did I just watch? TG's poorly written and poorly acted vanity project apparently wasn't torture enough - we also have to endure him tongue-batheing Sonny? I am apoplectic. I'm so blinded by rage that I don't even remember the rest of the show.

 

What I took away from that conversation was that we finally got to hear what TG's original idea for the "exploring the dark side of Luke" was: I think it would have been in character for original recipe Luke to have basically been happy with Laura and his family over the years but to have always have had a darker side that kept him wondering "What would have happened if … " That dark side could have been a little jealous of Sonny, and even of Bill Eckert, and Luke's disappearances could have been his need to  feed that craving.  

 

I'm telling myself that a lot of the  "Comic Book Land" (Geary's words) WTF-ery of the last year has been the fault of the head writer who couldn't write a plot around Geary's back surgery, especially after getting mad that fans of the show guessed where it was going. 

 

And,  yes, it's possible that I'm creating this interpretation this just to maintain my own sanity, and no, I don't think that Sonny became a pillar of the community (or equivalent phrase) that Luke used yesterday. 

[ulkis]

No one is speaking of the elephant in the room. IF it was indeed Silas who kidnapped Avery talk about someone being thrown under a bus!

Silas may be an epic fail but in no way shape or form would real Silas

1. Hide a convicted murder

2. Be so in love with a fling from 20 yrs ago

3. Lie to his daughter about her mom's death and the whereabouts of Avery.

4. KIDNAP A FREAKIN' BABY!

His whole story right now is utterly ridiculous. RME

But how would you desribe the real Silas? He was such a poorly drawn character, I couldn't say. And he certainly started out as a bit of a jerk.

But if he did kidnap Avery, it wasn't with harmful intentions anyway.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

Why doesn't the Quartermaine mansion have security guards armed with sniper rifles and .50 cal machine guns? There's absolutely no reason why Franco shouldn't have been shot on sight as soon as he stepped on the property. 

 

Because if they had, Carly would have been dead ages ago, thus sparing Port Charles (and me) years of misery. If someone had just violently murdered her the moment she caromed into town, most of the past nineteen years wouldn't have happened.

Edited April 16, 2015 by Cobalt Stargazer

[Mrs. Stanwyck]

 

In what way, shape or form did Michael kidnap baby AJ? He was awarded custody by the only sane judge in Port Charles based on the child's best interests. Okay so the judge also happens to be Michael's grandmother's boyfriend, but he still made the right decision.

 

He didn't.  On yesterday's show, several people asked Michael if he kidnapped AJ from the hospital.  Then, the Q's started in on him stepped down as CEO of ELQ which pissed him off.  As he was storming out of the room, he said something along the lines "Excuse me, I have to go take care of the baby I kidnapped."  He was being sarcastic since everyone seemed to think he took her from the hospital.

 

Michael's reaction I get, not so much Nina's.  She didn't just kidnap the baby, she ripped it from Ava's womb and fled the country.  When you do something like that, you don't get to be self righteously indignant with people who dare to wonder if you took the baby again.  Also, her attitude with Franco was ridiculous.  He kept asking if she did it and she never gave him an answer.  Then yesterday she said "I told you I didn't do it."  I'm like, no, you didn't.  

[dubbel zout]

But ugh, Nina sucks.  I can't believe we just had two days in a row of her whining about being accused of a crime she recently committed and it looks like tomorrow will make it three.

 

We've had days of Ava whining that she wants to die. We've had MONTHS of Jakeson doing nothing and Luke being Fake!Luke. It's enraging that nothing happens on this show except during the three sweeps days when Ron wants to make a splash.

 

so from you all are saying, Sonny's daughter is missing yet he goes to go see Luke vs spending all his time, energy and vast resources as the *leader of the East Coast crime empire.

 

Sonny would probably get Avery killed trying to rescue her, so it's better for everyone he stays on the sidelines. His track record isn't the best.

 

What I took away from that conversation was that we finally got to hear what TG's original idea for the "exploring the dark side of Luke" was: I think it would have been in character for original recipe Luke to have basically been happy with Laura and his family over the years but to have always have had a darker side that kept him wondering "What would have happened if … " That dark side could have been a little jealous of Sonny, and even of Bill Eckert, and Luke's disappearances could have been his need to feed that craving.

 

I agree with some of this, but not that Luke would be jealous of Sonny having Frank Smith's territory. Laura was the person who showed Luke that he could have a better, happier life. Their adventures satisfied Luke's darker side and wanderlust until Guza—and later, Gavin Wolf and Ron—decided Luke's life with Laura and the kids had been one giant burden on this man yearning to be free.

 

The whole Nina thing was written so that we'd wonder if she stole Avery. So stupid. And I really want someone with some authority to tell Michelle Stafford to knock off the frickin' breathy baby voice. Gah.

Edited April 16, 2015 by dubbel zout

[TeeVee329]

And I really want someone with some authority to tell Michelle Stafford to knock off the frickin' breathy baby voice. Gah.

 

Maybe Dr. O will rip out Nina's larynx today!

[LeftPhalange]

When is someone going to rip out Dr. O's larynx? 

[Tiger]

Maybe Dr. O will rip out Nina's larynx today!

And then use it to beat Franco to death.

[peachmangosteen]

We've all become so violent. I love it!

 

But how would you desribe the real Silas? He was such a poorly drawn character, I couldn't say. And he certainly started out as a bit of a jerk.

But if he did kidnap Avery, it wasn't with harmful intentions anyway.

 

This. Like was Silas ever even a real character? At first he was a dick. And, yea, if he took AJ it'd be because he wanted Ava to see her or whatever, it wouldn't be because he wants to kill her or something, so I can believe he'd do it, especially since it'd be a real dumb thing to do and he's proven himself to be an idiot.

Edited April 16, 2015 by peachmangosteen

[TeeVee329]

Like was Silas ever even a real character? At first he was a dick.

 

"Your baby has cancer, laters!"

[OnceSane]

Did Silas take an extra blood sample from Avery to see if she's a match for Ava? If so, I can see him snatching Avery in case she is a match so he can do the procedure right away. Or he got a rush on the lab results and already knows Avery is a match and needs her to save Ava.

[Aprilshowers]

Silas is so disconnected from everything - even moreso than before - that it feels like he's on another show.  A show I wish would be canceled.

I am glad I am not the only one that thinks this. I don't think, it should be cancelled per se. It is General Hospital after all, perhaps the problem is this portion of the show should actually be more integrated and take more airtime. 

 

On a side note who did ME and MW piss off to have their characters be such non players in a non storyline?

[EngradyPind]

The characters of Franco and Nina JUST DON'T WORK.  It's time for some house cleaning and those two need to go, like right now. 

[TeeVee329]

I am glad I am not the only one that thinks this. I don't think, it should be cancelled per se. It is General Hospital after all, perhaps the problem is this portion of the show should actually be more integrated and take more airtime. 

 

On a side note who did ME and MW piss off to have their characters be such non players in a non storyline?

 

I think the show is done trying to make Silas happen.  Which, if that's the case, why not just get rid of him altogether.

[thewhiteowl]

I disagree greatly; I see so much of Jason in his performance.  There are little moments, little tics.  Especially in the Carly scenes... Billy Miller is REALLY selling it.  He plays those moments, the conversations with her exactly as Steve Burton did.  It feels totally like Jason.  Right now that's the only area where it feels that way, though, because that's the only similar relationship he has right now.  Jason and Elizabeth were friends, not in this "star-crossed" lovers state.  Jason and Sam were husband and wife.  Jason and Sonny were soulmates.   Etc.   But Jason and Carly were very similar to what Jake and Carly are so Miller is playing Jake's actions and attitudes with her very similarly to Jason and he's doing an outstanding job in my opinion.

 

  I see Jason in BM as well. He is not perfectly robotic like SBu but I do see it usually with Carly. But BM is also bringing some change to Jason, much needed and believable change (believable in the context of soap land) So I'm with you, I think BM is doing great.

 

No one is speaking of the elephant in the room. IF it was indeed Silas who kidnapped Avery talk about someone being thrown under a bus!

 

Silas may be an epic fail but in no way shape or form would real Silas

 

1. Hide a convicted murder

2. Be so in love with a fling from 20 yrs ago

3. Lie to his daughter about her mom's death and the whereabouts of Avery.

4. KIDNAP A FREAKIN' BABY!

 

His whole story right now is utterly ridiculous. RME

 

 I don't really know Silas well enough to agree with this or even care so it's not really an elephant to me, more like a mouse.

[dubbel zout]

ME is still a favorite of Ron and Frank's, so I can't see them outright firing him. And who knows, maybe ME is fine being in the fifth tier of characters these days. He's getting a regular check and has outside interests. Not a bad deal.

[Cattitude]

But how would you desribe the real Silas? He was such a poorly drawn character, I couldn't say. And he certainly started out as a bit of a jerk.

But if he did kidnap Avery, it wasn't with harmful intentions anyway.

 

As much as he might be a little bit of a jerk he was always shown from what I know of him to be physician with some amount of ethics. I mean he doesn't want to help Ava kill herself. Plus this is his daughter's sister. He is putting Kiki through so much for no really good reason. It makes no sense he would do that to his daughter. From all accounts and his actions he does love Kiki. Ava being in custody does not negate her getting treatment and if Avery is the donor match if Ava was in custody getting treatment Avery could still be a match. There is no reason nor character motivation for Silas to be so involved in illegal activities to help Ava that are so hurtful to his OWN child.

 

No one who is suspected of taking Avery have harmful intentions, but it is still kidnapping. To me it is very nefarious to steal a baby to preform an invasive medical procedure on without consent. At best it is medically unethical, which I've never felt Silas is.

[ulkis]

As much as he might be a little bit of a jerk he was always shown from what I know of him to be physician with some amount of ethics. I mean he doesn't want to help Ava kill herself. Plus this is his daughter's sister. He is putting Kiki through so much for no really good reason. It makes no sense he would do that to his daughter. From all accounts and his actions he does love Kiki. Ava being in custody does not negate her getting treatment and if Avery is the donor match if Ava was in custody getting treatment Avery could still be a match. There is no reason nor character motivation for Silas to be so involved in illegal activities to help Ava that are so hurtful to his OWN child.

 

No one who is suspected of taking Avery have harmful intentions, but it is still kidnapping. To me it is very nefarious to steal a baby to preform an invasive medical procedure on without consent. At best it is medically unethical, which I've never felt Silas is.

 

Wasn't Silas kinda unethical in 2013? (Not asking you Cattitude, I know you weren't watching then, but the general board.) Or am I just remembering his ass-hole-y-ness?

[Chairperson Meow]

Silas was just not very hand holding. He dared to only want to treat Danny and not kiss Sam's ass, as far as I recall. Sam was the one freaking out about Stephen Clay , not McBain but lawsuit. Then, during her ramblings about Danny or something, he learned he had a nephew and tried to get custody of Rafe. Silas of the ponytail and man bun were cooler because the screw you levels were high.

[LeftPhalange]

I forgot Rafe existed and that's the way it should be.

[magnolia11]

Silas was at first written as a misanthropic curmudgeon a la House (complete with tiny ponytail and glasses) so as to distinguish him from John McBain for PP lawsuit defense purposes.  After no time at all, though, Cartini said "fuck it" and the stupid little ponytail and glasses were gone, he was sympathetic to/into Sam, and he magically transformed into McBain in a lab coat.

[TeeVee329]

The fact that Sam didn't run away screaming from Silas - an asshole who looked just liked the serial killer vampire who tried to bite her - is beyond me.

[devonshiredeb]

He didn't.  On yesterday's show, several people asked Michael if he kidnapped AJ from the hospital.  Then, the Q's started in on him stepped down as CEO of ELQ which pissed him off.  As he was storming out of the room, he said something along the lines "Excuse me, I have to go take care of the baby I kidnapped."  He was being sarcastic since everyone seemed to think he took her from the hospital.

 

Michael's reaction I get, not so much Nina's.  She didn't just kidnap the baby, she ripped it from Ava's womb and fled the country.  When you do something like that, you don't get to be self righteously indignant with people who dare to wonder if you took the baby again.  Also, her attitude with Franco was ridiculous.  He kept asking if she did it and she never gave him an answer.  Then yesterday she said "I told you I didn't do it."  I'm like, no, you didn't.  

 

Basically with Nina, she is using the same techniques she used on GH - tell people you told them things, that you never said.  Make people doubt themselves instead of you - the old deflection thing.  That's how Phyllis kept herself out of jail so much - lies by omission, blaming others for not listening....this character is just a slightly crazier version of her only acting skill.

[TeeVee329]

Both Franco's dye job and Silas' itty bitty ponytail were hilariously awful.  The only one who benefited from the "See, these characters are TOTALLY different!" makeover was Kristen Alderson.

Edited April 16, 2015 by TeeVee329

[LeftPhalange]

Both Franco's dye job and Silas' itty bitty ponytail were hilariously awful.  The only one who benefited from the "See, these characters are TOTALLY different!" makeover was Kristen Alderson.

 

Franco looked like a failed porn star or a dirty meth dealer. 

[DollEyes]

 

I agree about Nina and Franco (and Jake), but I like Carly and Sonny, and at least the bimbo twins are interesting right now, Valerie is just getting started, and we all know where it's going.

 

  Not necessarily, re the last point. Given Ron's tendency to pull things out of his ass plot-wise, I doubt that he cares about what's going on half the time. As for the Bimbo Twins being "interesting," so is a trainwreck, but I don't want to see it.

 

 Speaking of which, Kiki's second thoughts about what she and Morgan have done to Michael and L'ilAJ inspire about as much emotion from me as being sentenced to life in prison for murder does for Aaron Hernandez. Too bad she and Morgan probably won't get prison time for their crimes.

 

  Sonny and Fluke's mutual admiration/rationalization society is even more repulsive than they are, if that's possible. Just thinking about it gives me rage blackouts.

 

  Ned's on my shitlist along with Tracy (who's never left it for long) for their hypocrisy towards Michael. Whatever ELQ shares have been lost since Michael took over were Tracy, Luke and now Ned's fault, not Michael's. Tracy and Ned have done more damage to ELQ than Michael ever has or ever will, as far as I'm concerned.

 

  STFU, Nina. Given all the nasty shit you've pulled in the past in general and with L'il AJ in particular with/without Franco's help, you don't even get to touch the victim card this time, much less play it.

Edited April 17, 2015 by DollEyes

[Turtle]

If Silas wanted to take Avery to see Ava or to test if she's a match, couldn't he just say "We need to keep her overnight" or something, and then spirit her away and bring her back, with no one the wiser? Flat out kidnapping seems extreme.

[TeeVee329]

So the last time we saw Lucy and Duke, they said they were both open to the idea of dating.  But today, they're apparently sleeping together and totally comfortable lounging around in robes.  It's called show, don't tell, and you as a SHOW should know that!  And then, it's all abruptly over as abruptly as it began, with Duke being nudged back towards Anna (complete with a totally Ron misunderstanding re: Sloan) and Lucy saying her heart's still with Kevin (!!!). 

 

If Olivia actually cared about Ned, she wouldn't just offer up weak objections, she literally wouldn't let him give Franco his ELQ shares over this stupid secret.  Woman up, 'Liv.

 

Ick, Dr. O being so enamored and protective of Franco makes my skin crawl.  He's no Faison, girl.

 

No way is Ava dead.

[dubbel zout]

Kiki's second thoughts about what she and Morgan have done to Michael and L'ilAJ

 

She's having second thoughts only because Avery is missing. If Lauren and Morgan had Avery, she'd be high-fiving and crowing about their "victory." Spare me the self-serving attack of conscience.

 

If Olivia actually cared about Ned, she wouldn't just offer up weak objections, she literally wouldn't let him give Franco his ELQ shares over this stupid secret.  Woman up, 'Liv.

 

This might be the story that finally gives me an aneurysm. It's so incredibly stupid on every possible level, not to mention utterly pointless.

Edited April 16, 2015 by dubbel zout

[ulkis]

Sloane could have washed himself with a rag and the kitchen sink by the time it took to negotiate with Anna about her shower. Also, he is orange.

 

Wow, what was the point of Lucy and Duke? I'm not complaining. Because why should I, at least we get to see them! And 4 days of Franco and Nina!

 

Yeah Ned, Franco will totally stop blackmailing you for things if you give into them! This secret: not worth it!

 

Oh Chad Duell. What are you doing with your face in these scenes. 

 

I had an awful thought: what if they're bringing back KA and that's why Kiki is getting this "but gee golly gosh, I didn't know drugging Michael could get out of control! Whoda thunk!" writing. But seriously, if Kiki is that dumb, she needs to be locked up for her own safety.

 

I seriously would not be surprised if they had evil mastermind Morgan get rape-y with Kiki somehow. Like he kisses her a lot, and she pushes him away and he backs off eventually after trying too hard a minute or two. Just to bring it home that Morgan is the force behind all this. And because Bryan bought a corvette.

 

Nina: I'm not dragon Nathan into anything.

 

Pronouncing "dragging" as "dragon": when you use a fucking baby voice twenty-four-freakin-seven.

 

And also sitting down on the chair sideways. Please, please, can she just move like a human being for one second?

 

Silas didn't look like he was hiding a pile of bodies in that room or anything, no siree.

Edited April 16, 2015 by ulkis

[TeeVee329]

She's having second thoughts only because Avery is missing. If Lauren and Morgan had Avery, she'd be high-fiving and crowing about their "victory." Spare me the self-serving attack of conscience.

 

All of this.  She certainly made no effort to remedy what she did with Michael today.

[Bringonthedrama]

Lucy is a dingbat, Olivia and Ned are idiots, pretty sure Ava's death was a fake-out (she thinks it's real), and Duke's reaction to Sloane is almost funny. Go away Duke, Anna is waaayyyy too good for you.

 

No murder-suicide for Nina and Dr.O...very disappointing. Although threatening her niece is one of the few times Dr. O is almost tolerable.

 

My almost LOL moment is re: previews, with Fake!Jake showing up at the Webber house and coming face-to-face with Ric.  

[TeeVee329]

pretty sure Ava's death was a fake-out (she thinks it's real)

 

And that's a little gross, yes?  "I respect your right to die...PSYCH!".

[Artsda]

So Kiki had no idea that drugging someone with something she didn't even know what it was, that she literally said was like a roofie WAS WRONG?

 

So I guess if someone slipped her the date rape drug, it's not a crime. It's perfectly fine? Is she really that stupid and naive? No way, she and Morgan knew what they were doing was wrong and everything Michael said to her was so true. Her so willing to go along with Morgan handing over Avery on a platter to prove himself and kiss Sonny's ass showed no love for Avery. She didn't care about Avery at all. 

Edited April 16, 2015 by Artsda

[Bringonthedrama]

TeeVee - I didn't say it was right for Silas to do. I'm just saying the way he's been talking, and his involvement in the baby Avery storyline since he and Kiki found Ava unconscious on the docks after giving birth, have me thinking he'll do what he thinks is right. (This is the same guy who coldly told Sam her baby boy had cancer, then walked away.)

 

My spec is he has Avery stashed nearby and will work on Ava while she's unconscious. 

[TeeVee329]

Bringonthedrama, I was talking about it being a kinda gross writing choice in telling (this haphazard) assisted suicide story.

[dubbel zout]

Ava's death was a fake-out (she thinks it's real)

 

I have not seen today's ep, but this intrigues me. Ava thinks she's dead? Hee.

 

And then I read this:

 

will work on Ava while she's unconscious.

 

and things suddenly became less intriguing. The Ron giveth and he taketh away.

Edited April 16, 2015 by dubbel zout

[Lillybee]

I am so tired of all these people living in the hotel, It is getting so stupid. At least move them into the brownhouse.

At least they are saving on costumes with them wearing the same robes.

Edited April 16, 2015 by Lillybee

[Tiger]

I need Michael to hail his driver, go pick up Sabrina, Dante, Anna, Emma, Mac & Felicia, go find Avery and then get the hell out of Port Charles as both Iran and The Bad Korea launch nuclear weapon in its direction.

Where's the fucking barge?!?

[OnceSane]

Olivia, stop wringing your hands and half-assedly pretending you don't want Ned to give up his ELQ stock. If you were really ready to face the consequences of not making sure Julian suited up, you'd call Julian yourself and end this. So now Ned gives up his shares (& tries to convince Michael to step down) in order to protect someone who should have busted out a condom or swallowed. Great job, brain trusts (Olivia AND Ned)!

[dubbel zout]

RAGE BLACKOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

(Give me an hour and I'll be fine.)

[Francie]

RAGE BLACKOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

(Give me an hour and I'll be fine.)

Now, this? Is what I want on my official GH t-shirt. 

[ulkis]

RAGE BLACKOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

(Give me an hour and I'll be fine.)

 

Wow I'm actually really curious to see what's gotten you so mad, dubbet zout, your rage is usually of the calmer sort. :) I can think of several candidates though.

[ciarra]

Things I do not want to see

1. Me in a bikini
2. Duke in a robe.

[dubbel zout]

I'm actually really curious to see what's gotten you so mad

 

Olivia's story has me incandescent with rage. I don't know why this particular idiocy has me so frothing, but it does. I think it's because the whole story is so all about nothing. Olivia is letting A SERIAL KILLER blackmail her. (Let's not even talk about how that came to be.) Why? Because she can't face telling Julian he's the father of her baby. It's the lowest of low stakes. He's hardly the worst father in PC. 

Edited April 16, 2015 by dubbel zout