Episode Discussion: TFGH

[HeatLifer]

I just don't see what's left for her, unless they decide to pair her with Morgan or Michael. (nooooooooooooo) I guess she and Patrick could hook up again too.

K, I just blacked out.

[Lillybee]

 

A pregnant woman, on top of that.

 

Well to be fair, Sonny was waiting until after she gave birth to off her.

[Lillybee]

In the GH in my mind, Robin gave Jason a personality transplant while she was defrosting him.

[OnceSane]

Jason cured Sam's uterus. Remember she got shot or blown up or insert mob injury then.....omg magic! Jake the Liason spawn dies and she's pregnant with Danny. Jason hath healed!

It wasn't magic, Kelly Lee performed a procedure on Sam to fix the scarring on Sam's uterus so she could conceive & carry a baby to term.

[SwordQueen]

Well to be fair, Sonny was waiting until after she gave birth to off her.

 

This must be what constitutes as growth for Sonny, since he's not going to shoot her in the head, while in labor. 

 

So going off of that, I'm guessing she'd survive until right after the umbilical cord is cut.  Such a humane man, that Sonny is. 

[jsbt]

I remember Ron saying he wept writing Sabrina and Patrick's schmaltzy singalong scenes in the NICU this year. I don't think that was just Emmy bait for him, I think he was still in it to win it with Queen Sabrina (and I think they cut a lot of stuff they had planned for her prior). But he shifts focus quickly when a new shiny object arrives - case in point, Nina and Billy Miller.

 

I do think the sudden turnaround in Sabrina, basically overnight after her two-day meltdown in the spring, is so random and undeveloped - they didn't work to show us her change, her breakdown, and she's already begun regretting her actions. That being said, Teresa Castillo plays mentally unbalanced with a side of religious mania better than anything else she's ever played on this show. I would milk it a lot longer, maybe make her the one to kill Ava (with Franco's demented help or something?) if they absolutely have to kill Ava off.

Edited October 15, 2014 by jsbt

[sashabear21]

Okay, I'm liking the dynamic between Billy Miller's "Jason" and Liz. Also her only viable love interests at this point are dead AJ (still mad at you Ron), dead Ric (getting angrier), and Nikolas of the "What the hell is that on his head because I'm pretty sure I saw it on the side of the road on my afternoon commute?" love interest.  Bleh.  Please let BM play to his strengths of being off the charts charming and not boring St. Borg pushing Monavie.  I will seriously quit this show to go watch Golden Girls or Knots Landing reruns if that happens.  

[Cobalt Stargazer]

In the GH in my mind, Robin gave Jason a personality transplant while she was defrosting him.

 

This is why I think that if Billy Miller isn't playing a Jason we recognize, that might not be such a bad thing. Jason with emotions and feelings might end up being someone I don't want to see run over with a tank.

[Sugarbaker]

It wasn't magic, Kelly Lee performed a procedure on Sam to fix the scarring on Sam's uterus so she could conceive & carry a baby to term.

Yep, medical intervention is why Sam was able to conceive, all Jason did was provide moral support & well...later on his deposit.

[SwordQueen]

I remember Ron saying he wept writing Sabrina and Patrick's schmaltzy singalong scenes in the NICU this year. I don't think that was just Emmy bait for him, I think he was still in it to win it with Queen Sabrina (and I think they cut a lot of stuff they had planned for her prior). But he shifts focus quickly when a new shiny object arrives - case in point, Nina and Billy Miller.

 

I do think the sudden turnaround in Sabrina, basically overnight after her two-day meltdown in the spring, is so random and undeveloped - they didn't work to show us her change, her breakdown, and she's already begun regretting her actions. That being said, Teresa Castillo plays mentally unbalanced with a side of religious mania better than anything else she's ever played on this show. I would milk it a lot longer, maybe make her the one to kill Ava (with Franco's demented help or something?) if they absolutely have to kill Ava off.

 

He wept?!  Wow.  

 

TC is best at playing deranged.  It's still not very good, but it's better, and I think it might have worked, had we not been made to endure the blossoming of Princess Lots 'o Sex.  In fact, I wonder if it would have worked better if she had been this way (unbalanced-religious-manic) from the get, while still maintaining her more youthful nerdy nature.  Britt could have been the more decent one -- not a Princess Pollyanna Pureheart -- just a noticeable contrast from her psycho parents.  Britt, Dr.O, and Faison all being crazy lying liars, was just too much (and predictable), for me.  If Britt had somehow been the normal-yet-weary daughter of psychos, then discovering who her parents were would have had more impact, again imo. 

 

But, I really want Sabrina to go away.  Britt is coming close to being in "GTFO" territory, too. 

Edited October 15, 2014 by SwordQueen

[Chairperson Meow]

Where is this "Kelly Lee"? And Jason? Moral support? Was it Monavie?

[Veronica]

This is why I think that if Billy Miller isn't playing a Jason we recognize, that might not be such a bad thing. Jason with emotions and feelings might end up being someone I don't want to see run over with a tank.

This X infinity. If Jason is going to turn into the emtionless, Carly & Sonny's asslicking robot he was when Faison punted him into the harbor, I'm not going to be interested in him no matter what actor is in the role.

[Tiger]

Here's a "Golden Girls" reference for Ron:

 

He has officially turned Port Charles into St. Olaf aka The Cradle of Idiocy.  

 

I really like Helena & Jerry, but whatever is going on with them and Fluke makes absolutely no sense.  And other plots that i could recently fanwank into making sense no longer do.  

[Mrs OldManBalls]

It's incredibly difficult to care about a storyline, when you know it will never have a payoff.  That every episode is a continuous flow of near misses, of villains checking the computer at the right time, that there will be "twist" after "twist", that Helena and Jerry will never die.  I don't care how great the actors are, their characters have long outlived their usefulness.

 

 

I completely agree. The EVUL characters win on Ron's GH. And quite frankly, I'm beyond over it.

They tied their own hands with the fact that they are trying to sell us men as awful as Sonny, Shawn and Franco as heroes as opposed to the vile creatures they are, (and when they try to introduce a new baddie we end up liking them more than Sonny and the gang) so they have to keep resurrecting the big baddies. Each resurrection has to be more over the top than the last, because of the way they were killed off before. "How can I write for a guy that doesn't have a head!" went from something funny in a movie 20 years ago, to a tedious reality for writers and viewers alike. 

 

And the thing is, I find the Carly/Jason friendship to be rather lazy when it comes down to it... because I don't think it's a real, honest friendship. It's Carly wanting Jason and doing everything in her power to be The Most Important Person to him (usually riding Michael's coattails for that honor) while she doesn't do a damn thing for him in return. She takes and takes and takes and takes and takes because that's all she can get from him. And he lets her until he gets fed up which results in him rolling his eyes for a day or maybe even yelling at her so she can put on her pouty face. He should destroy her for her involvement with Franco. Full on, scorched earth destroy because whatever arguments one can make about Franco having a tumor (bullshit) -- Carly didn't and everything she's done with Franco has been willing on her part... 

 

 

 

 

It'd be nice if no matter the personality Jason has, he's disgusted by this and washes his hands of Carly forever in clear, no uncertain terms. 

 

Carly would've gone after Todd with everything she had over what he did to Danny and above all Jason, her god among men. She tried to burn Brenda down for far less.

 

You even could've spun that off into the adversarial sexual tension they tried to make happen with Carly and Franco - what Todd did was terrible and it was against one of Carly's loved ones, but it wasn't a serial killer who got her son raped. And she had a preexisting friendship with Todd. It could have been done, after she had spent a year trying to destroy him. Not that it would've mattered with Sean Kanan around, as A.J. and Carly was the vastly superior story.

 

All Carly has is a well used vagina and part ownership of a hotel. Surely that is no match for Todd? ( I never saw the character in action on his soap)

 

Well to be fair, Sonny was waiting until after she gave birth to off her.

He's nothing if not a gentleman. 

 

 

I'm going to admit something unpopular: I like Patrick's sweater! 

[Chairperson Meow]

:( You missed out on why a few of us remain Roger Howarth fans.

Might I suggest you tube, specifically the scene he submitted to win the Emmy in the 90s, Todd is cross examined by Nora during his rape trial and lying. Back before writing cough Ron neutered Roger.

[Cattitude]

I finally caught up on the last two days. Well color me surpised that SR from The Originals plays Jerry Jacks. I did laugh at Tracy asking him if he is now a vampire b/c he is on the other show.heh!

CT,SR, KG and DM are all much better than most of the other actors on this show so I enjoyed watching all of them. I thought DM actually did better than KG but I really don't care for Dr. O and her terrible accent. JT was just awful compaired to everyone else in his scene and Patrick was totally out of place and useless.

 

Silas and Nina were really great. When ME brings it he can be good and notice how Nina did not seem OTT, I still maintain that MSt is trying to make up for ME in scenes when she seems to OTT.

 

Have I said how much I love Nathen? MEOW he is aborable and he and Maxie were cute, I will continue to enjoy.

Loved him with his two mothers finding out about Nina. He looks so terrified at WTH kind of family I'm a part of. LOL

 

The show has killed my affection for Nik. Nik was so gross and including his child in discussions in the bedroom. Bleck! I was totally grossed out at Spencer's "celebration" to his father finally "gettting some". ewww.

 

I go back and forth on Liz but I find Jason and Liz adorable, keeping in mind I have no history of Jason or much on Liz.  It is a little OTT even for me that she is like 24/7 in his room. Poor other patients at GH. And wouldn't she find it odd that a stranger would be coming in to help clean up? Seems like as long as she's worked at GH she'd know all the staff especially on her floor.

 

If Fluke is Helena's boss would it have to be Faison or Mikkos? I don't know but I get the feeling Fluke is still the main boss.

[sunnyface]

Billy is their huge get. They see Kelly M. as their sexy leading lady.

 

 

Sam already looks like she's in her comfort ZZZZone and she probably will remain checked out for the next 18-months until failed character Nina (yet another woman with a case of the Port Charles pandemic - baby rabies) is off the show. 

 

Meanwhile, Nurse Webber continues to have that 'somethin somethin' with just about every male she encounters on the show.  She even clicked with that day actor plastic surgeon.  

Edited October 15, 2014 by sunnyface

[peachmangosteen]

I'm going to admit something unpopular: I like Patrick's sweater! 

 

I said the same in the UO thread. I love it. 

 

Yesterday was OK. I don't have much to say about it but I did mostly enjoy it.

[BestestAuntEver]

Maybe this belongs in the UO Thread but if the return of Jason means reigniting the Liason/JaSam wars then Jason's ass could have stayed in the bottom of the fucking harbor. I didn't care about either pairing then & I care even less now. Sometimes I like the characters of Sam or Liz*, other times I hate them but most of the time I'm meh, whatever on them.  Also, I've hated/disliked Jason since the end of Cottage Hell.

 

*I did like & have fond memories of teenage Liz and the first run of LL2

Edited October 15, 2014 by BestestAuntEver

[TeeVee329]

If it means putting a nail in the coffin of the horror show that is Niz, then have at Jake(son), Liz.  Have.  At.  Him.

[dubbel zout]

Teresa Castillo plays mentally unbalanced with a side of religious mania better than anything else she's ever played on this show.

Damning with faint praise there, jsbt. Heh. I wish she'd go full-out crazy—right now the way she shows evil is with a barely frosty glare. This is the sort of thing that demands scenery chewing, but I'm not sure TeCa has it in her.

[Chairperson Meow]

I'm so sad with what could have been if only casting spent more money.

[dubbel zout]

I think they probably spend as much as possible on casting. Money clearly isn't going to sets and wardrobe.

[TeeVee329]

Meryl Streep couldn't have made Sabrina work.  Outside of her early "Ugly Betty"-ness, there's no there...there.

[ulkis]

I thought Lindsay Morgan and Erik Vasquez were dire but apparently they are very good on their primetime shows now so maybe there is just something about GH that sucks the talent out of people lol. Maybe if Teresa were elsewhere she'd be knocking it out of the park. Although honestly I don't think she's THAT bad. Bland, and her crying is more like mewling, but otherwise I've seen worse. 

[peachmangosteen]

I didn't think LM was awful and I actually thought EV was good on GH, but still, they really are tons better on their primetime shows, so I do often wonder if current GH just fucks actors up. I mean there are people currently who were much better in the past than they are now.

 

I think TeCa is actually much better now than she was before, but really she was probably never spectacularly bad. It's the writing for Sabrina that's super awful and TeCa is certainly not good enough to overcome such bad writing.

[Cattitude]

I know the writers get a lot of flack(rightfully so) but the directors often get a pass and I feel a lot of the bad on GH could be poor direction.

[TeeVee329]

Wait a second.  Tracy said yesterday that she holds nine shares in ELQ.  But wasn't the whole point of the Great Relish Saga that Edward didn't leave Tracy any shares?

[peachmangosteen]

Sam split Jason/Danny's shares between Tracy and AJ. I think. Or something. I believe that's what Tracy said yesterday. I don't remember the original story well enough though.

Edited October 15, 2014 by peachmangosteen

[TeeVee329]

I vaguely remember that, but I thought Sam retained ownership of those shares, she just threw half in support of Tracy and half in support AJ re: being CEO.

[Mrs OldManBalls]

I know the writers get a lot of flack(rightfully so) but the directors often get a pass and I feel a lot of the bad on GH could be poor direction.

Parry chen said that he was told to up the creep factor for Brad, so I can believe direction is a factor. 

[peachmangosteen]

I vaguely remember that, but I thought Sam retained ownership of those shares, she just threw half in support of Tracy and half in support AJ re: being CEO.

 

You're probably right and TPTB just completely forgot they wrote that. Or said "meh, who cares" when they decided they wanted to do this story.

 

I thought I heard TG was coming back this month? Is that true? The Fluke story desperately needs to move on.

[ulkis]

I don't think so. And honestly, at this point, I think it's completely ruined. It's not Geary's fault and I'll even say it's not Ron and Frank's but there it is. But this is General "No, Franco had a brain tumor damn it! A BRAIN TUMOR!" Hospital, so instead of cutting his losses, Ron will keep on going with it.

[DollEyes]

My thoughts on recent plots:

 

  Re Robin/Patrick/Sam, it seems like the only reason why Ron keeps Robin around is for someone else to torture her, whether it's Faison, Dr. O., Jerry Jax or Victor and Helena Cassidine. If Ron didn't like putting Robin through Hell every chance he gets, then Patrick probably wouldn't have given Sam the time of day, much less caught feelings for her. Patrick should have told Anna about Robin a long time ago and if Ron wasn't such a thin-skinned, self-absorbed hack who insists on forcing Sabrina and Purina on us like anything about Sabrina was ever as epic as Scrubs was in its prime, he would have. Speaking of Sabrina, I had no sympathy for her then and I've got none now. Gabriel's death was devastating for Sabrina, but for her to even consider doing that to another woman, even Ava, is disgusting and makes her not much better than Sonny, IMO.  I'm losing more respect for Jordan by the day, not just because she's fucking Shawn again but because of the numerous other ways she's compromised Anna's investigation, whether it's covering for Julian or covering for Ava re hitting Jason. Jordan's taste in clothes may be impeccable, but her taste in men is anything but. The same could be said about Anna, Alexis, Nina, Liz, Carly, Tracy and just about every other woman in town, but in Jordan's case it's even worse because she. like Anna, is in law enforcement and she's making the same mistake that Anna is, if not worse.

 

  About Naxie, while I like them together, ITA that Maxie's got more issues than National Geographic and that people should stop pretending otherwise. Maxie's self-awareness about her problems is half the battle, but it shouldn't be a t Nathan's expense. Maxie's taking things slow with Nathan is mature on her part but almost standing him up on their first date wasn't, nor was Maxie's dumping her problems with Nathan on Morgan instead of, say, Mac-who, unlike Morgan, knows Maxie, is related to her and could've been useful to her. Fortunately, Maxie had better luck with Lulu on that front, as did Nathan. That Nathan confided in Dante instead of another random character whom he hardly knows-like, say, Sabrina-was in his favor. Then there's that asshole judge who ruined Naxie's date. His guilt trip on Maxie was bad enough, but blaming Maxie, one of the actual victims, for being kidnapped, was stupid, sexist bullshit. What about Levi and his psycho pops, who kidnapped Maxie as payback for a decades-old vendetta against Felicia and Frisco about the Aztec jewels? Or Victor Cassidine, the late, not-so-great former head of the WSB-a law enforcement official-who was responsible for the kidnappings in the first place? Just because the three of them are dead that doesn't mean they were innocent. Monica needs her own storyline, but not if this douchebag's involved. To bad Judge Asshole's not this obsessed with punishing real criminals in general and Sonny, Franco and Dr. O in particular.

 

  Kudos to Silas for not only apologizing to Sam for the way he treated her, he finally sees Nina for the lying psychopath she is, causing Silas to use his brains and his snark muscles at the same time. Silas' cheating on Nina back in the day was bad, but Nina's "list" was worse, even if Kiki's one of the targets. The only good thing about Magda's release is that it will make Nina suffer; otoh, I feel sorry for Nathan. As if he doesn't have enough shit to deal with, he's got his two moms the ex-sons to worry about. When the only reasonably sane member of Nathan's family is Britt, the baby snatcher, that's pathetic. Thank Heaven Nathan's got Dante and Anna as colleagues/friends because Nathan needs all the sane friends he can get. Despite Britt's mistakes, I like Britt and I think  Br2 is sweet. If only Britt could find a straight man who's a non-relative who loves her as much as Brad and Nathan do.

 

  Billy Miller has only been on for a few days and he's already proven to be a much better actor than SB was and has made me care about Jason more than SB did-at least, post-Borg, anyway. I have no problem with Jason's return if it's Jason Quartermaine and I don't mind that he's not playing Lucky. Monica's already lost one son and since Sonny has other children, it's only fair that Monica should get Jason back-who, while he's not technically her biological child, is one of the few links to Alan she has left.

 

 

I wonder if AJ will ever be recast.

 

  Since Ron killed him, I doubt it. On the bright side, at least Ron was "kind" enough to send AJ to Heaven. Whatever, Wreck-It Ron.

[dubbel zout]

I'm losing more respect for Jordan by the day, not just because she's fucking Shawn again but because of the numerous other ways she's compromised Anna's investigation, whether it's covering for Julian or covering for Ava re hitting Jason.

Anna knows about this stuff, though, and Jordan has explained her thought process. Anna might not like it, but the lies make sense in the context of Jordan's goal of bringing Julian down. (That is still her goal, right?)

[Dandesun]

 

All Carly has is a well used vagina and part ownership of a hotel. Surely that is no match for Todd? ( I never saw the character in action on his soap)

 

Well.... that actually kind of depends. For years, Todd seemed to prefer to let all of his destructo powers rest on Blair -- the woman he loved more than anything -- because she wasn't quite behaving in the manner he wanted at a specific moment. (Blair was something of a hot head herself and refused to lie down for his shit, which usually focused on his trying to take their daughter away from her while he'd cast puppy dog eyes at Blair's back and expect her to have mind-reading powers to realize he really really wanted her but wanted her to do all the heavy lifting) and, really, Todd hasn't been actively dangerous in ages.

 

Todd Manning the Villain as he was early on before he got the long term redemption storyline would have raped Carly but that's not who Ron was writing. I've said it before, Todd and Carly are actually weirdly alike in their idiotic, destructive plaaaaans that don't actually do what they want them to do. And I also stand by the belief that neither one of them would have been interested in each other at all. Neither one had the personality or the things surrounding them that would entice the other. All that being said, if Carly had been written in character and gone after him with guns blazing for what he did with Danny, Todd would have retaliated probably by going after the people Carly loves the most... maybe stuck Michael in a shipping container and sent him overseas, dug up the dirt on her kids, or exes and plastered them all over the front page of his paper. At the worst, he may have punched her in the face and knocked her the fuck out. (He did that to Tea.)

 

Ron made Todd team up with the man who tortured him for eight years to kidnap the guy who handed him over because he was sleeping with Blair which is not something she would have ever done after finding out he was the guy who handed Todd over... that's the kind of bullshit Ron writes. Just shit that doesn't make any sense. Ron has a weird fascination with having guys Roger Howarth plays plant cameras in Carly's home so he can spy on her... Todd always had a tendency to lurk but he really wasn't a voyeur. Franco I can actually believe being a voyeur because he's cracked out in ways Todd never was.

 

Ron's Carly vs Ron's Todd was clearly never going to go anywhere because he wanted them paired up and in love way way too much. In Character Carly and In Character Todd would have crossed paths briefly and not have much to do with each other. Hardcore Jason Defender Carly vs Hardcore Villain Todd would have been seriously ugly and unpleasant to watch... it would have involved attempted rape at the very least and possibly him getting stabbed. None of it would have been very enjoyable.

 

And it begs the question: who is Ron's Carly? She's not dangerous. She's not really much of anything except a strange sort of victim... which seems to be all Ron can do with a lot of women characters. She doesn't seem to bear much of a resemblance to most of the horrible versions of Carly I remember. I mean, she 'wants' to love Franco and has decided to marry him because he's too dangerous to be cut loose due to all of the stuff she's willingly told him? Who is this person?

 

Ron's Carly. A completely different kind of mess.

Edited October 15, 2014 by Dandesun

[jennifer6973]

DollEyes

 

 to be fair judge ruin a first date is a family court judge, not criminal court.

 

But I get what you are saying.

[ulkis]

Anna knows about this stuff, though, and Jordan has explained her thought process. Anna might not like it, but the lies make sense in the context of Jordan's goal of bringing Julian down. (That is still her goal, right?)

 

Not Julian, she wants to find out who Julian's boss is and bring him down first.

[dubbel zout]

Oh, right. Thanks, ulkis.

[TeeVee329]

And it begs the question: who is Ron's Carly? She's not dangerous. She's not really much of anything except a strange sort of victim... which seems to be all Ron can do with a lot of women characters. She doesn't seem to bear much of a resemblance to most of the horrible versions of Carly I remember. I mean, she 'wants' to love Franco and has decided to marry him because he's too dangerous to be cut loose due to all of the stuff she's willingly told him? Who is this person?

 

Ron's Carly. A completely different kind of mess.

 

I feel like the main core of Carly's character, IMO, is that this bitch holds a grudge like no other.  And Ron has consistently gone against that grain, which is why Carly seems so out of character to me.  The Carly I know would not have touched Todd and especially Franco with a ten-foot pole after what they did to Jason.  The Carly I know would not have accepted Kiki with Michael after what she did to his and Morgan's relationship. 

[Dandesun]

 

I feel like the main core of Carly's character, IMO, is that this bitch holds a grudge like no other.

 

You're absolutely right. She holds grudges like nobody's business. She came to town with a grudge against Bobbie and never let up even after finding out that Bobbie gave her up for adoption because she was a teenaged hooker. She has loathed Robin from the beginning because Robin had Jason's love and respect. She hates Liz because Liz had a relationship with Jason... had a baby with Jason! She hates Brenda because Brenda had Sonny and Jax first and the both of them love her more than they'll ever love Carly. Grudge grudge grudge.

 

Carly and Franco are just... unfathomable. Really. Ron jumped through every hoop imaginable to take the vanity project that was Franco and make him a misunderstood romantic hero. I mean... what?! Everything Franco did to Jason and to Michael means she would have held a grudge and never stopped trying to wipe him off the planet until the end of time. Carly and Todd may have been marginal friends but he never would have jumped in the sack with her right after successfully dismantling Blair's engagement to Tomas (more bullshit there) much less declared eternal love for her... and anyway, the second she found out about Todd handing Danny over to Tea and letting Jason believe he was dead and also not actually his -- immediate end of any kind of friendship they might have had. Period.

 

But instead, we have this thing that behaves in ways that I can't believe she would act. I can't stand Carly. I haven't ever rooted for her but I understood her once and I don't even get that. What is she now? What has Ron really turned her into? She's a victim and, say what you will about Carly... a victim is something she never was.

[Chairperson Meow]

But a victim is who Carly always thought she was, so, she's becoming what she feared/thought. Thanks, Ron. Now can we put Franco and Micheal in a romance to really piss every soap fan off? Oh and have Kelly Monaco murder Micheal Easton's character brutally. You've already shit on AJ Quartermaine and the original portrayer. Finish off every soap fan ever now.

[Happywatcher]

To: Ron

 

Re:  Britt and Nik, October 15, 2014 show

 

Touche, Ron. You fooled me for a half hour that there were outcomes, logical outcomes, for massive Scooby Doo style plots which involve young children being quiet about mass adventures, with balloons over the sexy time bed erected by a small child.

 

You even allowed the two actors to act, in an exciting and emotional way. Since it was all one big head fake and didn't matter.

[gigi-]

My thoughts on recent plots:

 

  Re Robin/Patrick/Sam, it seems like the only reason why Ron keeps Robin around is for someone else to torture her, whether it's Faison, Dr. O., Jerry Jax or Victor and Helena Cassidine. If Ron didn't like putting Robin through Hell every chance he gets, then Patrick probably wouldn't have given Sam the time of day, much less caught feelings for her. Patrick should have told Anna about Robin a long time ago and if Ron wasn't such a thin-skinned, self-absorbed hack who insists on forcing Sabrina and Purina on us like anything about Sabrina was ever as epic as Scrubs was in its prime, he would have. Speaking of Sabrina, I had no sympathy for her then and I've got none now. Gabriel's death was devastating for Sabrina, but for her to even consider doing that to another woman, even Ava, is disgusting and makes her not much better than Sonny, IMO.  I'm losing more respect for Jordan by the day, not just because she's fucking Shawn again but because of the numerous other ways she's compromised Anna's investigation, whether it's covering for Julian or covering for Ava re hitting Jason. Jordan's taste in clothes may be impeccable, but her taste in men is anything but. The same could be said about Anna, Alexis, Nina, Liz, Carly, Tracy and just about every other woman in town, but in Jordan's case it's even worse because she. like Anna, is in law enforcement and she's making the same mistake that Anna is, if not worse.

 

  About Naxie, while I like them together, ITA that Maxie's got more issues than National Geographic and that people should stop pretending otherwise. Maxie's self-awareness about her problems is half the battle, but it shouldn't be a t Nathan's expense. Maxie's taking things slow with Nathan is mature on her part but almost standing him up on their first date wasn't, nor was Maxie's dumping her problems with Nathan on Morgan instead of, say, Mac-who, unlike Morgan, knows Maxie, is related to her and could've been useful to her. Fortunately, Maxie had better luck with Lulu on that front, as did Nathan. That Nathan confided in Dante instead of another random character whom he hardly knows-like, say, Sabrina-was in his favor. Then there's that asshole judge who ruined Naxie's date. His guilt trip on Maxie was bad enough, but blaming Maxie, one of the actual victims, for being kidnapped, was stupid, sexist bullshit. What about Levi and his psycho pops, who kidnapped Maxie as payback for a decades-old vendetta against Felicia and Frisco about the Aztec jewels? Or Victor Cassidine, the late, not-so-great former head of the WSB-a law enforcement official-who was responsible for the kidnappings in the first place? Just because the three of them are dead that doesn't mean they were innocent. Monica needs her own storyline, but not if this douchebag's involved. To bad Judge Asshole's not this obsessed with punishing real criminals in general and Sonny, Franco and Dr. O in particular.

 

  Kudos to Silas for not only apologizing to Sam for the way he treated her, he finally sees Nina for the lying psychopath she is, causing Silas to use his brains and his snark muscles at the same time. Silas' cheating on Nina back in the day was bad, but Nina's "list" was worse, even if Kiki's one of the targets. The only good thing about Magda's release is that it will make Nina suffer; otoh, I feel sorry for Nathan. As if he doesn't have enough shit to deal with, he's got his two moms the ex-sons to worry about. When the only reasonably sane member of Nathan's family is Britt, the baby snatcher, that's pathetic. Thank Heaven Nathan's got Dante and Anna as colleagues/friends because Nathan needs all the sane friends he can get. Despite Britt's mistakes, I like Britt and I think  Br2 is sweet. If only Britt could find a straight man who's a non-relative who loves her as much as Brad and Nathan do.

 

  Billy Miller has only been on for a few days and he's already proven to be a much better actor than SB was and has made me care about Jason more than SB did-at least, post-Borg, anyway. I have no problem with Jason's return if it's Jason Quartermaine and I don't mind that he's not playing Lucky. Monica's already lost one son and since Sonny has other children, it's only fair that Monica should get Jason back-who, while he's not technically her biological child, is one of the few links to Alan she has left.

 

 

  Since Ron killed him, I doubt it. On the bright side, at least Ron was "kind" enough to send AJ to Heaven. Whatever, Wreck-It Ron.

ITA re Billy Miller.  I didn't see much of his work on Y&R, but really liking him as Jason.

[dubbel zout]

But a victim is who Carly always thought she was, so, she's becoming what she feared/thought.

 

Carly thought of herself that way, but I think it was more of a protective measure/defense mechanism. It gave her the justification for every heinous act she perpetrated, and it allowed her to whine about how put-upon she was every time one of her stupid plaaans exploded in her face.

 

If Carly is a victim of anything, it's believing she's unaccountable for anything.

Edited October 15, 2014 by dubbel zout

[Bringonthedrama]

The Britt-Nikolas worst-case scenario went on for so long that I was just about to say "Okay, it's real, not Britt's nightmare" when Britt woke up. At least her subconscious knows Nikolas doesn't love her, is using her, really wants Elizabeth and will ultimately blame her for the loss of his 'real love' when the truth comes out. Maybe, maybe Britt has some understanding of how pathetic she is?

 

Brad is such a teenager. I would like to see him actually get reprimanded by Epiphany or some hospital authority for taunting Elizabeth about something personal in front of a patient, and then whining that she gets the "cute ones." 

 

What a weird scenario to be in a co-star/guy's bed while having your first ever on-screen conversation with your real-life boyfriend. I thought both BC and KT seemed like they felt awkward about it, especially BC.

 

I feel very awkward saying this ... I loved Kiki's pointed line to Sonny and Carly today in front of Michael that it's important to him to honor his father's memory. I think that was an uncomfortable look that MB was going for.  

 

I acknowledge that Elizabeth and NuJason are cute together. He clearly likes her a lot, but yeah he's faintly AJ-esque and nothing like Jason.

 

"I'm going to take care of my family."...go DIAF Sonny.

[TeeVee329]

Instead of just leaving one annoying message after another, why didn't Sabrina get off her ass and try and track Jordan and/or Ava down if she's suddenly so wracked with guilt?  Why does she always need a gay dude to get her ass in gear?

 

For fuck's sake, ENOUGH with the dream sequence fake-outs, the writers have beyond overused them and today's with Britt and Nik went on forever.

 

Carly and Sonny being involved in ELQ strategizing was like a knife to my soul.  And UGH, break's over, Kiki's back.

 

Shut up Jake(son), it's not like Liz hasn't done some petty gloating in her day.

[backhometome]

It was really obv. that Britt was dreaming. Those scenes just kept dragging. 

 

Omg Jake/Jason coming to Liz's rescue with Brad was barf inducing. 

[CPP83]

While I think Billy is a decent enough actor, holy hell if they keep this Jakson around Liz I will want him good and dead again before he ever gets out of that damn hospital bed.

 

It isn't as if these two are stuck in a cabin due to a boating accident after months of fighting budding feelings of "love". I know Ron has put a rush job on romances/relationships before but this one may very well take the cake. It's beyond ridiculous and stupid. The way Liz is suddenly fawning all over him and he's jumping to her "rescue" against "mean Brad" as if he knows anything about their history or working relationship or anything of the sort considering he knows jack shit about pretty much anything, including whether or not his favourite new nurse is even that good of a person herself.

 

Then to top it all off I had to watch Liz pout over finding out that Nik had, yet again, fallen into Britt's trap, I mean arms while sharing even more inappropriate personal details with her patient...dear god make it stop.

 

I was amused to see Silas not even giving half a damn about Franco watching "porn" in the conference room, he just wanted some straight answers about the Nina's plans. I like how he just wants to get to the bottom of things, and hallelujah he's already having his lawyer write up the divorce papers.

 

So Franco rented out the conference room just to watch the nastiness of Carly and Sonny on a big screen...? Ron...I just can't be bothered with the awfulness he comes up with sometimes, nothing makes sense, ever, with the SERIAL KILLER.

 

Carly and Sonny may both rot in hell a thousand times over. And can they please take Shawn with them.

 

With all the screaming Ava's doing the payoff had better be a stillborn fetus, it's the only outcome that could make this shit worthwhile, imho. And if Morgan gets any dumber I'm not sure he'll be able to form coherent sentences much longer.

 

Sabrina has got to go away for this. I know it's the only logical turn which means Ron will probably fight tooth and nail and hair gel to resist but there's no bringing her back from this.

[Chairperson Meow]

In Jakeson's defense, he doesn't remember that shit. Why can't Billy Miller be playing AJ? Why can't we have nice things? I'm glad Jason eats more than Chinese and Monavie now, though.

So we finally might get a scene between McBain and Todd and it's about a list and fetish porn? Gross. Yes, Silas, fuck. Will you get it through your head the bitch is crazy and you were on a revenge list? Damn. Though lol at caring more that Sam was on it than Lauren, his kid. No one likes Lauren, but Franco. That's kinda sad, but nah no fucks given.

AJ gets a free care clinic, but Sonny still lives. Not fair.

I do love Lt. Silas, policing GH.

Edited October 15, 2014 by Grrpants09