Episode Discussion: TFGH

[Auntie Velvet]

Terribly UO, but I think Finn and Anna are cute together. Their rhythm is getting better and better, because both of them have some comic chops when the writing is there.

What we really need, though, is for Hayden and the baby to come back to town, as well as for Robert to come to his senses and pursue Anna. That's a quad I can get behind. (I don't care that much about Hayden, but there is a baby out there "in play" so to speak.)

[ulkis]

Text from my offliner pal: "Why would they bring back a character like Cassandra that no one cared about. Bring back Nik or Jax or something."

Why indeed, Frank.

[gp1999]

3 hours ago, LexieLily said:

Shut up, Griffin. "We were on a break/I was convinced we were broken up" didn't work for Ross and it's not going to work for you, either.

Ik it’s a totally different show but Ross and Rachel were on a break lol although what Ross did was wrong but he thought he lost Rachel and he thought she was sleeping with Mark cause he heard him in the background on the phone. Now back to GH, I don’t feel any sympathy for Ava, she slept with Morgan when he was with Kiki and then when she was “Denise” she slept with him again when he just got back with Kiki 

[Perkie]

2 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

I’m just curious if she’s the only one supporting herself and the family.

How much money can an "art therapist" possibly bring to the table.  

Besides Jason doesn't acknowledge Jake's existence half the time, so not sure he's sending child support.  And Lucky, well, he's still sitting in a cemetary in Ireland, so who knows how much money he's sending.   

[Perkie]

1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Yes, Liz had money, but she invested in this “amazing!!” Stock that her brother, Stephen told her about. And it tanked, so instead of making more ?, she lost a bundle

Yeah, but that was eleventy eleven years ago.  She has to be more solvent by now.  

I think it was more about Joss, who can have whatever she wants whenever she wants, yet was effed up enough with her family drama to start shoplifting.  Cam knew about it and wanted to try it.  Unfortunately for him, he seems to be a bit of a dummy  and got caught on a security camera his first time out.  

[Hater]

Isnt Franco rich? Wasn’t he awarded a bunch of money last year when Roger was off screen for months. That was the story of why he wasn’t on. He was fighting his victims for money.

[rur]

1 hour ago, ulkis said:

Text from my offliner pal: "Why would they bring back a character like Cassandra that no one cared about. Bring back Nik or Jax or something."

Why indeed, Frank.

Because the people that play those characters found jobs somewhere else. And I think they have storylines there, too.

[TeeVee329]

1 hour ago, gp1999 said:

Now back to GH, I don’t feel any sympathy for Ava, she slept with Morgan when he was with Kiki and then when she was “Denise” she slept with him again when he just got back with Kiki 

Ava didn't sleep with Morgan when he was with Kiki the first time.  Kiki had just finished dumping Morgan's ass for his brother at their wedding reception.

Also, we don't know how Ava feels about Kiki's part in this yet, all her anger today was rightly focused on Father Hypocrite.

Also also, I don't know why that means Ava can't call Kiki out.  They've supposed to have moved past all of this.  Ava being all, "Well, I guess it's okay because I slept with Morgan" would not be realistic.  And for all of the good girl posturing, Kiki's resume is quite similar to Ava's.  Sorry, Keeks, but I will never forget Operation: Alcoholic.

[BlancheDevoreaux]

1 hour ago, ulkis said:

Text from my offliner pal: "Why would they bring back a character like Cassandra that no one cared about. Bring back Nik or Jax or something."

Why indeed, Frank.

Yes!  Along with the long list of people I would rather Robert Scorpio have gone to for back up, I can give a long list of people I would rather have brought back than Cassandra.

 

Annnnnnnnd Go: Along with Nik and Jax and in no particular order, Robin, Patrick, Tracy, Alan, Luke (yeah I said it), Emily (especially if AT could reprise the role), Lucky, Georgie, Nathan, Helena, Zander, AJ, Brook Lynn, Dante, Skye, Lorenzo, Dillon, Tony, Ric, Justus, Steven Webber, Blackie (hehe who wouldn't want to see John Stamos everyday?).

That list is also the people I want to see instead of Kristina and/or Parker. Actually, there are more people on that list.

[ulkis]

3 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Also also, I don't know why that means Ava can't call Kiki out.  They've supposed to have moved past all of this.  Ava being all, "Well, I guess it's okay because I slept with Morgan" would not be realistic.

Also, Morgan and Kiki were not in a serious relationship. They tried to ramp it up by having Kiki bleat out how Morgan wouldn't cheat on her, but they basically fell into bed again because they were like "well we might as well". And then he slept with Ava a day after she came back and she started having feelings for Dillon two seconds after she got back together with Morgan. 

[TVbitch]

Oh Jesus God, must Jason save the Goddamn day even for Robert Fucking Scorpio. I could almost hear TR choking on his lines a little bit when he had to thank Jason and say Jason's theory might be right. Of course Jason would be the one to figure it out and of course Jason found the pill and of course Jason has superior hacking resources in Spinelli. 

Oh and then last week Jason warns Drew that the new DA had an agenda about him, cuz he is already on top of that one, too.

For fucks sake, Jason is inserted into so many story lines, I half expect Alexis to call him to consult about Kiki's lawsuit! 

Edited August 14, 2018 by TVbitch

[GHScorpiosRule]

3 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

 

I always wanted Jason to interact with Anna and Robert....in the ‘90s. I don’t get why it’s being done now with Robin out of the picture. Jason can’t interact with his own family?

Well that would have been difficult since both Robert and Anna were “dead” during that period.

[Hater]

14 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

Oh Jesus God, must Jason save the Goddamn day even for Robert Fucking Scorpio. I could almost hear TR choking on his lined a little bit when he had to thank Jason and say Jason's theory might be right. Of course Jason would be the one to figure it out and of course Jason found the pill and of course Jason has superior hacking resources in Spinelli. 

Oh and then last week Jason warns Drew that the new DA had an agenda about him, cuz he is already on top of that one, too.

For fucks sake, Jason is inserted into so many story lines, I half expect Alexis to call him to consult about Kiki's defense! /

It's nauseating at this point.  Hijacking every freaking story.  Can they please move the jacrap reunion along already, so we don't have to endure him in every other person's storyline?

TR had to complain to FV about how it made no sense Robert was asking Lassie for help.  Such a joke.

Edited August 14, 2018 by Hater

[GHScorpiosRule]

I don’t know how Tristan managed to squeeze out those ??-worthy lines and BULLSHIT in his scenes with Burton. Like I’m supposed to believe that ROBERT! FUCKING!!!SCORPIO!!! Needs backup from a mob hit man. He’s managed to get the job done when the Bureau has been slow or refused to provide back up. As I recall, it was just him, Anna and Luke who worked together to find and save Robin and Duke. So the whole lot of “writers” and Frank can just FUCK OFF and try spreading this HORSESHIT to the rest of their staff and coworkers.?????????????????

Why no, I’m not bitter at all! 

Edited August 14, 2018 by GHScorpiosRule

[BlancheDevoreaux]

10 minutes ago, Hater said:

It's nauseating at this point.  Hijacking every freaking story.  Can they please move the jacrap reunion along already, so we don't have to endure him in every other person's storyline?

TR had to complain to FV about how it made no sense Robert was asking Lassie for help.  Such a joke.

And he was probably politely and respectfully told to fall in line and worship at the alter of St. Sonny and Jasus or go back to making Outback commercials.  Ugh. TR deserves better than what these writers are giving him.

[statsgirl]

2 hours ago, Perkie said:

How much money can an "art therapist" possibly bring to the table. 

About $45,000 a year.  But I imagine that's with actual credentials.

1 hour ago, TVbitch said:

For fucks sake, Jason is inserted into so maany story lines, I half expect Alexis to call him to consult about Kiki's defense! 

Because it cost a bundle to get SBu back and they want to get their money's worth out of him?  Too  bad he drags the show down.

5 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

I always wanted Jason to interact with Anna and Robert....in the ‘90s. I don’t get why it’s being done now with Robin out of the picture. Jason can’t interact with his own family?

The Quartermaines?  Didn't you get the memo that they're beneath the Great Jason Morgan? Or do you mean his kids?  He doesn't have time for them, he's to busy saving CarSon and Michael.

5 hours ago, Perkie said:

Also, I loved Joss' justification.  "my life was shit so I stole stuff".  Girl, considering who your mother and stepfather are, your life will be shit for a long time.  Find a way to deal with that doesn't include criminal activity.  though I guess that apple didn't fall far from the tree/step tree.  

She really is Carly's daughter.  Lots of people are worse off and they don't demand attention like she does.

Criminal activity is what let's her live her privileged lifestyle.

3 hours ago, ulkis said:

Text from my offliner pal: "Why would they bring back a character like Cassandra that no one cared about. ."

They needed to find someone we care less about than LWB/FS.

[Cheyanne11]

God, Joss is an obnoxious nightmare.  Get away from her, Oscar.  There's nothing wrong with thinking shoplifting is wrong and if your gf makes you feel guilty for expressing that?  Big-bye.

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, BlancheDevoreaux said:

Outback commercials

It's not TR anymore anyway; Hugh Jackman is now overexaggerating his Aussie accent.

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

Because it cost a bundle to get SBu back

Did it really? I thought SBu knew his days were numbered at Y&L once JPL got canned, so I wouldn't think he had that much leverage. On the other hand, I can't see him coming back to GH for too much less than he was getting before he left.

I'm cracking up at Scott and Bensch practically yelling at each other in open court and no one says boo.

Hey, Lauren! Griffin spilling the beans about the ONS is precisely why Alexis asked you if there was anything else she needed to know before the trial started. 

I would enjoy watching Liz deal with her exasperating eldest son if Franco wasn't constantly undercutting her. I wish Cam weren't quite such a cliché, though of course these writers aren't known for any originality.

Ugh, Cassandra. I love Jessica Tuck, but she was not needed originally and she's not needed now, whether we actually see her or not.

[statsgirl]

If Cassandra doesn't come back, what will Finn and Anna do?  The writers really don't have any idea what to do with them.

6 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I thought SBu knew his days were numbered at Y&L once JPL got canned, so I wouldn't think he had that much leverage. On the other hand, I can't see him coming back to GH for too much less than he was getting before he left.

Given how they have put him into Every. Damn. Storyline. it seems like they value him enough to pay big bucks.

[Ambrosefolly]

54 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I would enjoy watching Liz deal with her exasperating eldest son if Franco wasn't constantly undercutting her. I wish Cam weren't quite such a cliché, though of course these writers aren't known for any originality.

 

1) I wish that someone like Spencer List would have taken the role-someone's who charisma matched ReHe. 

2) I wished that Cam was written like Jonathan Byers. A slightly weird kid that has trouble connecting with his powers but is fully devoted to his kid brother(s).

[HeatLifer]

5 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Well that would have been difficult since both Robert and Anna were “dead” during that period.

Lol I know.

[Asp Burger]

I thought the previous, two-day Cameron actor had the more interesting look for this role, but Nu-Nu-Cam held his own with the grown-up soap vets, and I enjoyed watching Becky Herbst in angry-parent mode. I really cannot recall ever seeing Liz like that. Maybe she showed mild irritation, but all three kids were so young; they didn't really do much to get mad over. I'm sure she had a lot of real-life experience she couldn't wait to draw on for this story. (Not that I'm saying the Saucedo-Herbst clan has any shoplifters, but you know. A mother who doesn't do her share of disciplining and grounding and asking "What were you thinking?" is the mother of some androids.) 

Oh, and great callback on early, cigarette-puffing, condom-planting Liz, who ran Audrey ragged.  

I thought this one was a good episode, although I wasn't all that interested in the Anna/Finn part or the Robert/Jason part, and bringing back the complete misfire of Cassandra was the opposite of helpful. But Maura West delivered, as always. Griffin looked like more of a schmuck than usual, even. NLG, also, continues to be very good in this story. I liked the way Alexis was written to just roll with the ONS bombshell and keep it focused on the strengths of the case, rather than standing around with her mouth hanging open or hyperventilating over it. That's something I often hate about movie/TV lawyers who are supposed to be so highly distinguished and accomplished. They're then so obviously rattled and thrown off their game by anything unexpected that you wonder how they got distinguished and accomplished. (Ever seen The Jagged Edge, with Glenn Close making deer-in-headlights faces in view of the jury, even putting her hand over her mouth in shock when testimony isn't what she's expecting?)   

I don't think the point is that Liz and her family really are "poor." Cameron was just being dramatic and bratty. As someone hinted above, it's all relative. Liz doesn't own a hotel. She isn't married to the boss of the all-important Territory, who has Controlled the Docks for 50 years. Even if Lucky is pitching in with his funds from working as a roadie for The Darkness on their European tour, his contributions can't possibly compare to whatever super-rich Jax sends for Josslyn in absentia. And what other kids has Cameron known? Old-money-flaunting Spencer with his Gothic mansion. Emma, the child of two specialist doctors. Oscar, with another specialist doctor mother. A good nurse will do well, but not that well. Some of those other parents spoil/ed their kids rotten, and it would be in character for Liz to be the frugal type, in part because she really doesn't have access to as much money as the other parents, and in part because it's just how she is. I'd believe she's a parent who is all "If you do this, this, and this, and keep your grades up, you can have this one thing."  

Edited August 14, 2018 by Asp Burger

[Sake614]

I'm sure they want me to feel sorry for Kiki but I just can't.  For one, as @dubbel zout said, Alexis asked her over and over and OVER again if there was anything she needed to know before trial. Kiki consistently said 'no.' For another, Kiki and Griffin openly discussed how no one could know they slept together everywhere they could. In the hospital hallway, in the park, in front of Kelly's, in the court house hallway. They were just begging for someone to overhear them.

I absolutely cheered Ava on when she called out Griffin for being a hypocrite and said he has a hero complex. That he doesn't actually love anyone but needs to 'save' every woman who is having a weak moment. 

Franco? STFU with your 'Cameron isn't getting enough attention at home so he's stealing' BS. But he was mostly right about it being a phase. Most kids shoplift something. When I was a kid, it was candy or small cosmetics from the drug store. I never knew anyone who stole big-ticket items. I'm sure it happened, but none of my friends did it. At least not around me. And for sure they didn't brag about it!

I did love Cameron snarking on Franco and laughed at 'you're ruining my life!' I mean, the kid is 15. Of course being grounded is the end of the world lol!

Finn and Anna? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Jason and Robert? Well I'll never FF or sleep through a Robert scene but I call foul on him enlisting Jason's support for anything.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Maybe this should go in the Unpopular Thread, but I freaking LOVED Cameron’s brattiness,  especially his “You’re NOT my FATHER!” to the serial killer. And I also liked the callback to Liz’s own brattiness when she showed up in Port Charles. Aside from the hypocrisy coming out of Liz’s mouth, I think both Becky and kid who’s playing Cam did a good job. Liz’s self deprecation and expressions. And I had to ??at how Cam towered over wee Becky! I know it won’t happen, but I wish the next scene of Cam would be him calling Lucky to bitch about his grounding.

Edited August 14, 2018 by GHScorpiosRule

[TeeVee329]

56 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

Franco? STFU with your 'Cameron isn't getting enough attention at home so he's stealing' BS.

Which is pretty rich considering the slathering, laser-focused attention Franco is always giving to Jake.

[Sake614]

19 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Which is pretty rich considering the slathering, laser-focused attention Franco is always giving to Jake.

 

 

Well of course. I mean, Jake is Jason's son. He's the only one that matters. ::rme::

[Aurora2]

1 hour ago, Asp Burger said:

I don't think the point is that Liz and her family really are "poor." Cameron was just being dramatic and bratty. As someone hinted above, it's all relative. Liz doesn't own a hotel. She isn't married to the boss of the all-important Territory, who has Controlled the Docks for 50 years. Even if Lucky is pitching in with his funds from working as a roadie for The Darkness on their European tour, his contributions can't possibly compare to whatever super-rich Jax sends for Josslyn in absentia. And what other kids has Cameron known? Old-money-flaunting Spencer with his Gothic mansion. Emma, the child of two specialist doctors. Oscar, with another specialist doctor mother. A good nurse will do well, but not that well. Some of those other parents spoil/ed their kids rotten, and it would be in character for Liz to be the frugal type, in part because she really doesn't have access to as much money as the other parents, and in part because it's just how she is. I'd believe she's a parent who is all "If you do this, this, and this, and keep your grades up, you can have this one thing."  

I also don't think the point was about Liz being "poor" - not for a minute.  

One of my highlights yesterday was Liz in mom-mode. Those scenes felt so real you'd think the actress has teenage kids (which, of course she does!!) I was happy to see a mother schooling her teenager on the importance of working to earn things and of being responsible for one's actions. Great parenting in my books!!!

As well, I was pleased to see the normal middle class presented with a family that can live comfortably but a family that also has to plan and budget financial resources. Like most of us, right? Not all kids are super rich like Joss or Spencer - or now Oscar with his physician mom and his businessman Quartermaine father. So thank you GH for a bit of reasonable reality.

[dubbel zout]

55 minutes ago, Aurora2 said:

As well, I was pleased to see the normal middle class presented with a family that can live comfortably but a family that also has to plan and budget financial resources.

I also liked how Elizabeth told Cam that he had a number of perfectly serviceable earbuds, and he whined, "They're from 2015! It's so embarrassing!" That was very realistic. Frankly, I think those Apple wireless buds look ridiculous, but I'm not a 15-year-old.

Joss's "IRL sucks" reply to Cam was alternately hilarious and exasperating. It was typical teen, again, but to come from her was a bit much. I wish the teens had a better, more interesting story. Why can't they be messing around on a computer and accidentally hack into some top secret plans for someone to take over Port Charles? Or they start their own business or something? This "love" triangle is deeply stupid and even more deeply boring. All three of them are so bland. 

[HeatLifer]

I don’t care that the show wants to portray Liz as “real,” but I don’t buy that she doesn’t have enough money from the fathers of her children (except Zander for obvious reasons) and that aspect is never brought up. 

[ulkis]

2 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

I don’t care that the show wants to portray Liz as “real,” but I don’t buy that she doesn’t have enough money from the fathers of her children (except Zander for obvious reasons) and that aspect is never brought up. 

I don't buy that Lucky heard Liz was dating Franco and didn't come to town and shoot him. Sigh.

[dubbel zout]

6 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

I don’t care that the show wants to portray Liz as “real,” but I don’t buy that she doesn’t have enough money from the fathers of her children (except Zander for obvious reasons) and that aspect is never brought up. 

Money is very plot-pointy, especially where Elizabeth is concerned, but I'm not sure we're supposed to take it literally that she doesn't have enough to support her kids. I thought it was more about teaching the value of wanting something and having to work to pay for it. As she said, that's the way their family operates. It doesn't have to mean they don't actually have the money. If she handed the kids everything they wanted, they'd be...Spencer, and one of him is already one too many.

Mileage will vary on this, I know.

[TeeVee329]

21 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

I don’t care that the show wants to portray Liz as “real,” but I don’t buy that she doesn’t have enough money from the fathers of her children (except Zander for obvious reasons) and that aspect is never brought up. 

I think it basically goes back to the constant thread that whatever guy Liz is banging/dating/marrying is the father figure and the others cease to exist.  And right now that's Franco so he has to say the right things and help mop up Cameron's mess and we're supposed to feel bad for him when Cameron rails that he's not his father.  Blech.

Edited August 14, 2018 by TeeVee329

[sunnyface]

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Ugh, Cassandra. I love Jessica Tuck, but she was not needed originally and she's not needed now, whether we actually see her or not.

Saw her recently on 'suits'.  I did not mind her appearance last-go-around and Cassandra highlighted what a poor actress Michelle Stafford is in comparison.  But now that this appearance will be dripping with Jason minutes  - replete with his newfound wit and insightful yoda-like banter - expectations are real low for this visit.  Perhaps they wanted to make her the new Helena - doesn't make a difference because she is not Carson or Jason,  As the weeks turn into months, they really do not have a clue what to do with Jason except to throw him in as many stories and see what sticks (and so far - they are batting .000).

Edited August 14, 2018 by sunnyface
Sonny

[dubbel zout]

24 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

I think it basically goes back to the constant thread that whatever guy Liz is banging/dating/marrying is the father figure and the others cease to exist. 

Which is a corollary to a current relationship needing to be the only worthwhile relationship someone has ever had. Soaps are supposed to be all about history! You shouldn't have to trash it to make the present-day stories work. Gah.

26 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

we're supposed to feel bad for him when Cameron rails that he's not his father. 

Yes, poor Gentle Farmer SERIAL KILLER Franco being yelled at by a teenager. FFS. This fakakta show.

[CharethCutestory]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

I also liked how Elizabeth told Cam that he had a number of perfectly serviceable earbuds, and he whined, "They're from 2015! It's so embarrassing!" That was very realistic. Frankly, I think those Apple wireless buds look ridiculous, but I'm not a 15-year-old.

Joss's "IRL sucks" reply to Cam was alternately hilarious and exasperating. It was typical teen, again, but to come from her was a bit much. I wish the teens had a better, more interesting story. Why can't they be messing around on a computer and accidentally hack into some top secret plans for someone to take over Port Charles? Or they start their own business or something? This "love" triangle is deeply stupid and even more deeply boring. All three of them are so bland. 

I love both of these ideas! Especially the hacking one. It's amazing how tech savvy kids are now from the time they're little, its ingrained so early. A plot where they accidentally hack into something top secret could synch up really well with Robert and Anna (and now Jason's ugh) story. Or if they choose to expand the patient 1-whatever stuff. 

[drtslim]

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It's like on OLTL, how Rex and Gigi were often portrayed as the "poor" underdog couple, never mind that Rex owned a business and got handed big checks for his incompetent PI work and Gigi lived rent-free on the grounds of a mansion.

Gigi did at least pay rent for the carriage-house (although at a very reduced rate).  Viki just took the rent money and put it towards Shane's college fund.

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Money is very plot-pointy, especially where Elizabeth is concerned, but I'm not sure we're supposed to take it literally that she doesn't have enough to support her kids. I thought it was more about teaching the value of wanting something and having to work to pay for it. As she said, that's the way their family operates. It doesn't have to mean they don't actually have the money. If she handed the kids everything they wanted, they'd be...Spencer, and one of him is already one too many.

 

I still don't get how both a police officer and a nurse could go without insurance.

[MarciNJ]

5 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

(Not that I'm saying the Saucedo-Herbst clan has any shoplifters, but you know. A mother who doesn't do her share of disciplining and grounding and asking "What were you thinking?" is the mother of some androids.) 

apropos of nothing, my sister lives in Calabasas (other side of the tracks from the Kardashians, as she is quick to say) and she is a substitute teacher in the district.  She has had both of Becky's older kids, several times, and said they are lovely, so I guess Becky and Michael are doing something right.  (my sister has also chaperoned a field trip where Becky came along as the class mom and said she was super nice, as well, which is not a surprise)

[LexieLily]

Franco called himself a feminist today. Because someone that used his therapy sessions with a troubled child to get close to that child's mother in order to date her, cornered his prospective girlfriend in an elevator and scared her in a dark parking lot by hiding in the backseat of her car, systematically crossed every boundary she has tried to put up - not to mention someone that touched a woman's unconscious body and made Sam think he raped her, someone that strapped Lulu to a bomb, and kidnapped Carly and Liz's children - that guy is someone that is all about respecting women.
 

[YaddaYadda]

I get Ava's anger and Griffin is such a nasty piece of shit, but Ava's outrage at what Kiki did is just . . . dude, you also messed around with her boyfriend. The apple didn't fall far from the tree, just deal with it.

[Linny]

I thought we hit the low point of today's episode when Monica was made to apologize to Carly for trusting Nelle (and Carly so faux graciously accepting the apology, because she can't ever genuinely play nice), but then we finished off with Griffin reprimanding Ava about not lashing out and "ruining the progress we made over the last year." For fuck's sake, dude, you slept with Ava's DAUGHTER and lied about it for months, maybe worry about own moral trajectory and leave Ava the hell alone. 

Also, ruining the progress WE made? That's such a fucked up conception of their relationship, and I think it underscores how lopsided this pairing has been since the beginning. Ava loved him; he viewed her as a project, someone he could mold and polish and feel good about himself for doing so. They were never a true partnership. I don't necessarily agree with Ava taking aim at Griffin's career to get her revenge, but I understand her impulse to knock him down a few pegs and make him feel as inadequate as she feels right now.

[TeeVee329]

28 minutes ago, Linny said:

I thought we hit the low point of today's episode when Monica was made to apologize to Carly for trusting Nelle (and Carly so faux graciously accepting the apology, because she can't ever genuinely play nice)

Oh ew, thanks for the trigger warning, I will be skipping today.

Edited August 14, 2018 by TeeVee329

[Melgaypet]

37 minutes ago, Linny said:

I thought we hit the low point of today's episode when Monica was made to apologize to Carly for trusting Nelle (and Carly so faux graciously accepting the apology, because she can't ever genuinely play nice)

Ew, indeed. The only way this "apology" would have been acceptable is if Monica had been like, "Nelle was basically a younger version of you, I should have recognized the signs."

MONICA. THIS PERSON GLEEFULLY, UNREPENTANTLY COVERED UP YOUR SON'S COLD-BLOODED MURDER AND IS CURRENTLY MARRIED TO THE ACTUAL MURDERER. I NEED YOU TO REMEMBER THIS.

[Cheyanne11]

4 minutes ago, Melgaypet said:

Ew, indeed. The only way this "apology" would have been acceptable is if Monica had been like, "Nelle was basically a younger version of you, I should have recognized the signs."

MONICA. THIS PERSON GLEEFULLY, UNREPENTANTLY COVERED UP YOUR SON'S COLD-BLOODED MURDER AND IS CURRENTLY MARRIED TO THE ACTUAL MURDERER. I NEED YOU TO REMEMBER THIS.

Man, no kidding.  So fucking tired of people having to cower to that smug idiot.

[Perkie]

1 hour ago, Linny said:

I thought we hit the low point of today's episode when Monica was made to apologize to Carly for trusting Nelle

THIS.  When Carly started her answer with, "well if you're big enough to apologize" I actually, stupidly thought she'd finish with "I want to aplogize back for AJ", but no, the end of that sentence was "I'm big enough to accept it".  WTF?  Youre big enough to accept it?  Guh.  

 

1 hour ago, Linny said:

and "ruining the progress we made over the last year."

And THIS.  The hell?  Clearly the writers want us to now believe that AVa was just a pet project for Griffin.  Maybe that makes it easier for them to hook up Griffin and Kiki without any leftover Grava fans geting their noses out of joint.  Becuase you know Ava's going to tell Monica about the test, Griffin will get in trouble and turn to Kiki for solace.  Not that the test should matter now, since the truth about Peter/Heinrich is out.  

I really don't want Ava to revert back to her old self, because I don't want self righteous CarSon, being all, "I told you so Griffin", but Maura is kicking this stuff out of the park.  

As much as I despise Franco with the heat of a thousand suns, I did appreciate someone pointing out to Ava that she helped David win the case.  Ava, actually looked surprised, like she hadn't considered that, since her only goal was to humiliate Griffin on the stand.  Maura played that really well.

[statsgirl]

Even worse than Monica apologizing to Carly, as hard as it may be to find anything worse, is Michael asking Carly if she was just saying that she accepted the apology, as if Monica should be apologizing to Carly for everything and Carly is a saint who never has  never done Monica any wrong.

I also hate that when Monica offered the Quartermaine mausoleum for Jonas so he could be surrounded with his family, Michael turned her down.  Then he said it was so Jonas could be buried next the Morgan (wasn't that body missing?) so it was mitigated a little but Carly's face .... yeah, she would have stopped Jonas being a Quartermaine.

4 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

I don’t care that the show wants to portray Liz as “real,” but I don’t buy that she doesn’t have enough money from the fathers of her children (except Zander for obvious reasons) and that aspect is never brought up. 

I can in terms of Lucky.  My ex was making well into six figures but gave me only the minimum the law required.  It paid for food and some of the housing costs but really didn't extras like music lessons.  (Fortunately therapy was covered under his work health insurance.)

Jason certainly has the money but he's cheap. For Jake's birthday, all he gave him was three tickets to a AAA game.

3 hours ago, CharethCutestory said:

I love both of these ideas! Especially the hacking one. It's amazing how tech savvy kids are now from the time they're little, its ingrained so early. A plot where they accidentally hack into something top secret could synch up really well with Robert and Anna (and now Jason's ugh) story. Or if they choose to expand the patient 1-whatever stuff. 

This is something that the show would have done in the 80s and 90s, and it would give Robert and Anna better plots than this Cassandra kidnapping.  Summer seemed to be all about adventures like that.  Now, when kids are into superheroes and major adventures, all TFGH does is a triangle about 14 year olds who break the law because all that money Joss has isn't enough.

[LexieLily]

2 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Even worse than Monica apologizing to Carly, as hard as it may be to find anything worse, is Michael asking Carly if she was just saying that she accepted the apology, as if Monica should be apologizing to Carly for everything and Carly is a saint who never has  never done Monica any wrong.

I also hate that when Monica offered the Quartermaine mausoleum for Jonas so he could be surrounded with his family, Michael turned her down.  Then he said it was so Jonas could be buried next the Morgan (wasn't that body missing?) so it was mitigated a little but Carly's face .... yeah, she would have stopped Jonas being a Quartermaine.

This is the main reason why I want baby Jonah to stay with Brad and Lucas even with the truth comes out. Carly and Sonny already succeeded in turning one generations of Quartermaines away from their family (two, actually, if you count Jason), they shouldn't be allowed to do that to another baby. 

[Perkie]

I loved how incredibly short Scotty's closing was!   Alexis was all "this is a pattern, he'll do it again, you need to stop him" totally strong argument.  Scotty's response was basically "he said, she said, I'm out".   

[TeeVee329]

1 hour ago, Melgaypet said:

Ew, indeed. The only way this "apology" would have been acceptable is if Monica had been like, "Nelle was basically a younger version of you, I should have recognized the signs."

MONICA. THIS PERSON GLEEFULLY, UNREPENTANTLY COVERED UP YOUR SON'S COLD-BLOODED MURDER AND IS CURRENTLY MARRIED TO THE ACTUAL MURDERER. I NEED YOU TO REMEMBER THIS.

Also, not having seen it, I presume this apology took place in Monica's home?  Carly and/or Sonny being in Monica's house WHEN HE MURDERED HER SON AND SHE COVERED FOR HIM fills me with piping-hot rage.  Because you know it's all "How DARE you come into my home!" whenever Ava comes by to get Avery or whatever.

[TVbitch]

Since they seemed to be playing this whole sexual harrassment trial as a serious "message story," I don't think it was cool to have Scott tank the closing by reminding the jury that it was a civil trial and does not have the "without reasonable doubt" demands of a criminal trial. I mean, what is the message? That "good men" who are lawyers should tank their sexual harrassment defenses? 

As soon as Monica said "Carly wait..." I was like, oh no, don't you fucking dare, don't you do it!!!!! Ugh. What next, bring Tony and AJ back to life so they can genuflect to her. Maybe have MaryPat drop by to apologize. 

Edited August 14, 2018 by TVbitch

[Melgaypet]

15 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

Since they seemed to be playing this whole sexual harrassment trial as a serious "message story," I don't think it was cool to have Scott tank the closing by reminding the jury that it was a civil trial and does not have the "without reasonable doubt" demands of a criminal trial. I mean, what is the message? That "good men" who are lawyers should tank their sexual harrassment defenses? 

I haven't actually seen the scenes in question yet, so when you say "tanking" do you mean that Scott deliberately tried to throw the case? Why, because he's grossed out by Bensch? Or been paid off? Or do you mean the writers whiffed on the legal stuff? (Gee, that would be a shock!)

As for being a "good" man, I love Scotty, but he's never been the most ethical attorney in the world.