Episode Discussion: TFGH

[LillyB]

Why is Maxie wearing a black bra under her semi sheer white top? After all, she is not Sam.

[Blackie]

WOW I am shocked, SHOCKED!  that GH finally had someone point out that you need consent of the people involved to have a paternity test.

[Darklazr]

It takes every vet on this show to prop Franco in some capacity.

Franco's comment about Jason's eye color is something that OLTL's Todd Manning would snark about and not what I want to hear from a serial killing rapist.

Lawd.  Sam mentioned Franco's name before Drew's!

#FreeElizabeth!

[Auntie Velvet]

Billy Miller is doing a great job wordlessly conveying that Drew knows damn well Harvey messed with Franco, given what he heard via the bug and Franco's twitchiness, but that he's going to let Franco get there himself without pushing it.

Edited March 19, 2018 by Auntie Velvet

[tveyeonyou]

In addition to the amusement I also get from Franco, and aside from the fact that he has no use for Sonny, Jason and Sam (and usually brings the snark as you perfectly pointed out), I've somehow managed to block out the fact that he's Franco Franco. I mean I know he's "Franco", but I've erased everything James Franco did with this stupid character and as a RoHo fan, I'm able to like him. It's the only way I can deal with it. Since the writers let him eat the show, or at least the parts that Sonny, Carly, Jason and Sam haven't gobbled up, it's either find something else on this stupid show I can tolerate and deal with it, or never watch again.  And the pickings are slim.

If I can't have what the cable description says* ("A soap opera set in a hospital" and "A story about the wealthy Quartermaine Family...") then I have to twist a lot of stuff while forgetting a lot of other stuff. It's either that, or the news.

 

* To add insult to injury, the picture they show is Lucky, Lulu, and Luke, with Greg Vaughan and Julie Marie Berman.

[dubbel zout]

5 hours ago, ulkis said:

Shut up, Olivia.

I can't believe she thinks Port Charles won't blame Ned or think he's in Jim Harvey's back pocket. She's usually more pragmatic about this sort of thing. At least Ned knows the score.

6 hours ago, ulkis said:

Shouldn't Maxie question Peter as to why he is keeping evil Lulu employed?

Yes. Maybe Maxie has forgotten that Lulu is working for some other Aurora publication?

I hate Anna having to slobber to Jason for help. It's so wrong.

[Cheyanne11]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

I can't believe she thinks Port Charles won't blame Ned or think he's in Jim Harvey's back pocket. She's usually more pragmatic about this sort of thing. At least Ned knows the score.

 

As Olivia was dragging him out of the Q living room to enact her plan (who is she--Carly?) my first thought was "please do not tell me this will have anything to do with Sonny."

[P3pp3rb1rd]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

I hate Anna having to slobber to Jason for help. It's so wrong.

Anna is having to slobber to too many men these days for help. Show is using her to rack up time for men characters who need propping and excuse for screen time.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

8 hours ago, ulkis said:

Shut up, Olivia.

The entitled fool thinks that since she is now a Quartermaine she can sashay around Port Charles making a difference as a school reformer and public leader, using power borrowed from the mayor's pillow talk and sweet nothings whispered in her ear when they're screwing.

Edited March 20, 2018 by P3pp3rb1rd

[LillyB]

I can't believe it but I am enjoying the Drew-Franco scenes.

[HeatLifer]

Anna: I want you to treat me as you would my daughter.

Me: So ..... you want him to choose a life of a killing/kidnapping and babysitting a grown ass man and woman over you? 

In all seriousness, my 1998-self would have LIVED for Anna and Jason interactions. It's 20 years too late, but I'll take it.

[mostlylurking]

12 hours ago, tveyeonyou said:

I've somehow managed to block out the fact that he's Franco Franco.

This is how I tolerate him as well.  It probably has a lot to do with my RoHo love from OLTL, but I don't hate Franco.  I like how he snarks on the trifecta, and how he points out that at least he can blame most of his misdeeds on The Tumor, while Stone Cold is just...well...a stone cold killer.  I don't even hate him with Liz.  But it's true, I have had to block out all the James Franco ridiculousness to be able to get to this point.

I'm liking the Drew and Franco interactions.  Jason would never be so evolved to be able to coexist with Franco.  His world is black and white, no shades of grey.  Shit he lost five years of his life because he was doing a job for Sonny and the blockhead picked up right where he left off.  I get why he hates Franco and it is 100% justified.  But things have changed in 5 years, not to erase the past but at least to explain it.  Jason just does not have the capacity to get that.

[sunnyface]

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His world is black and white, no shades of grey.  Shit he lost five years of his life because he was doing a job for Sonny and the blockhead picked up right where he left off. 

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In all seriousness, my 1998-self would have LIVED for Anna and Jason interactions. It's 20 years too late, but I'll take it.

Has this character ever been grey?  Granted, the first time that I have seen SBu was around 2012, but I do not understand why this character is popular.   At least this time around, SBu has stopped his incessant blinking.

[ouinason]

I am an unashamed Franco fan, and a Friz fan too (though she's a lot OTT with the blind devotion).  And it may well be that I just hate S/C/J so fucking much, and that I like RHo and his chem with Becky (and Becky FFL!), but I can't really explain it.  I do  quite like Drew though and I like Drew and Franco's interactions.  

 

But... WTF with Sam and Liz.  Good Lord.  The Babysitters Club is on the case!

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, sunnyface said:

Has this character ever been grey?

Not really. Jason Q was the golden boy; Jason M is the holy hit man. Jason M has a certain live-and-let-live attitude toward most people as long as they don't hurt him or people he loves. But he's not introspective at all. No one on the show is, really, but Jason in particular doesn't spend any time wondering if he's right. He always thinks he is.

4 hours ago, mostlylurking said:

I like how [Franco] snarks on the trifecta, and how he points out that at least he can blame most of his misdeeds on The Tumor, while Stone Cold is just...well...a stone cold killer.

At least someone is pointing out the ridiculousness of Sonny/Carly/Jason, even if it's a SERIAL KILLER. There's literally no one else in town who does. 

[BlancheDevoreaux]

What is with some of this camera work?  The holding o the camera so it shakes doesn't make it look edgy or add to the suspense.  It looks like it is a high school drama club project

[Oracle42]

If they wanted RoHo to play some version of Todd (because why have him do anything else?), there were a million ways to do that that didn't involve reviving Franco. It's a soap opera, the past is the point. I shouldn't have to scrub Franco's past to make him watchable.  Todd being dismissive of Sonny & Co. was delightful, but the character had more going for him than that. Franco doesn't. So, Todd's schtick does not work for me with Franco. I feel the same way (to a lesser degree) about Ava/Julian, being anti-Sonny isn't enough to make me root for the character. It just makes me hope for double fatality cage matches.

[dubbel zout]

31 minutes ago, Oracle42 said:

I feel the same way (to a lesser degree) about Ava/Julian, being anti-Sonny isn't enough to make me root for the character.

It's not even lip service at this point, since neither Ava nor Julian is actively trying to get any sort of upper hand with Sonny.

[Blackie]

Sonny is acting like a jerk, but I think a lot of family members end up acting like jerks in that situation so I don't find it unrealistic.  Unfortunately MB's acting is so bad and Sonny is always a jerk, so it is not that novel of a storyline.

Sam climbing, jumping and sneaking around in those boots is just stupid,

And concrete isn't like water, is it supposed to flow in and cover them or just encase that whole room.

I thought how they were showing Dr Bensch  grooming Kiki was pretty realistic

[mostlylurking]

Just now, Blackie said:

Unfortunately MB's acting is so bad and Sonny is always a jerk, so it is not that novel of a storyline.

This is my problem with it as well.  I know that going through a family member's illness is horrible and sometimes it does bring out the worst in people, even if briefly.  Sonny is just such an ass all the time it's impossible to distinguish if he's having a hard time dealing with Mike's diagnosis or if it's just Wednesday.

[dubbel zout]

3 minutes ago, Blackie said:

Sonny is acting like a jerk, but I think a lot of family members end up acting like jerks in that situation so I don't find it unrealistic.  Unfortunately MB's acting is so bad and Sonny is always a jerk, so it is not that novel of a storyline.

I'd like him to have a scene with Mike where Sonny isn't yelling/exasperated/a douche. He doesn't even try.

LOL how everyone seems to recognize a first edition of Grey's Anatomy. 

[TeeVee329]

How fitting that Drew and Franco might (I wish) drown in cement because that's what this storyline is to me.  UUUUGGGGHHH. 

Also?  Shut up, Liz.

[ulkis]

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I like Franco.  I like Friz, even though I question Liz's though processes.  I don't find it weird or bad that Cameron and Aiden are barely on, though mentioning that one of them has a thing that Liz needs to take care of instead of it always being about Jake would be nice.  

 

I like Peter.  I don't care if his existence is ruining the perfection of the Robert/Anna backstory.  I do wish that they would mention that Anna already has one dead child on top of Robins HIV and this Huntington's thing is freaking her out.  I'm not up in arms that Jason killed Faison instead of Anna.  Jason likes killing people, Anna doesn't.  She'd have gone for the kill shot and then regretted it later anyway.

 

Monica bugs me.  Her voice and diction and mannerisms are annoying.  And it's not because of her age, she's always pulled her head back like a bird and SHOT out her lines.  And....I don't think LC is a good actress, or that Monica is all that good of a person.  I like her being Drew's mom.  I'm over her other than that.  And I don't think she's completely in the right on the arguments with Olivia last year either.  Either the family are guests in YOUR (tired of hearing about it) house, or they are full members of the household.  Olivia decorated one room in a MANSION that had to have like at least 2 other living/family rooms in it.  Use one of those to hang out if it is that annoying  Not that Liv was right either,.  They were equal assholes.

 

And ... I like Julian.  Liked him with Alexis, like him with Kim.  I think he's right about being in Leo's life, but should suck it up about the adult children for at least a full year after nearly getting them all killed and respect their wishes about the grandkids too.  It's not like he raised either of them, or knew about them.  They have been more like friends than his kids, so he needs to respect them not wanting him around.

 

I don't mind Monica, but I'm not a huge fan.

Julian is okay. While I see him as kind of a random character he's no where near the top of the list of characters I'd cut.

Edited March 25, 2018 by ulkis

[RedheadZombie]

22 hours ago, Auntie Velvet said:

Billy Miller is doing a great job wordlessly conveying that Drew knows damn well Harvey messed with Franco, given what he heard via the bug and Franco's twitchiness, but that he's going to let Franco get there himself without pushing it.

Is the show hinting at molestation, do you think?  Or Harvey just beat Bobby and Andy?

[Linny]

Leave it to Sonny to whine about wanting Mike's trust before turning around and yelling stuff at him that's designed to make him feel like shit. I know it's realistic for someone in Sonny's position to feel overwhelmed and lash out due to fear, but I think Sonny would act just as gracelessly no matter the circumstances, so this storyline isn't doing much to generate my sympathy for him.

I'm pleasantly surprised the show is going in a more subtle direction with Kiki and Dr. Bensch by portraying sexual misconduct as insidious and not necessarily as overt, because I think that's an important distinction. He's blurring the lines of appropriate behavior without being boldly sexual, and he's conditioning her to accept his actions because he can advance her career. It's uncomfortable to watch but sadly true to life. 

That concrete is moving as swiftly as this plot is, which is to say NOT AT ALL. It is nice to see Sam proactively working towards a goal and not just sitting around in her feelings, and I do enjoy investigative Curtis, but everyone else is just floundering as we drag this shit out for no good reason.

[YaddaYadda]

3 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

Is the show hinting at molestation, do you think?  Or Harvey just beat Bobby and Andy?

It feels like they're hinting at molestation. If they were beatings, what's her face might have noticed bruises. Molestation is a different ball game. And honestly, it makes me uncomfortable to even let my mind go there because I don't know how the writers will handle this. This is such a delicate subject matter.

Dr. Bensch, full on creep mode.

Edited March 20, 2018 by YaddaYadda

[dubbel zout]

8 minutes ago, Linny said:

Leave it to Sonny to whine about wanting Mike's trust before turning around and yelling stuff at him that's designed to make him feel like shit. I know it's realistic for someone in Sonny's position to feel overwhelmed and lash out due to fear, but I think Sonny would act just as gracelessly no matter the circumstances, so this storyline isn't doing much to generate my sympathy for him.

I KNOW. And of course Sonny plays the stoic martyr: Alzheimer's affects the family as much as the patient (woe is Sonny), but he doesn't need to talk to anyone (Sonny can handle it). GAH. It would help the story if MB could deliver lines readings without putting so much resentment into them.

8 minutes ago, Linny said:

I'm pleasantly surprised the show is going in a more subtle direction with Kiki and Dr. Bensch by portraying sexual misconduct as insidious and not necessarily as overt, because I think that's an important distinction. He's blurring the lines of appropriate behavior without being boldly sexual, and he's conditioning her to accept his actions because he can advance her career. It's uncomfortable to watch but sadly true to life. 

It's too bad Lauren has no friends—ideally, other women—she can talk to about this, because that would be nice to see. She could talk about feeling helpless because Bensch has her career in his hands, and she's afraid of retaliation if she goes to HR/Monica/the hospital board. Or worse, she does go to someone and her report is laughed off. Then what?

Edited March 20, 2018 by dubbel zout
parallelism, my nemesis

[RedheadZombie]

51 minutes ago, Blackie said:

Sonny is acting like a jerk, but I think a lot of family members end up acting like jerks in that situation so I don't find it unrealistic.  Unfortunately MB's acting is so bad and Sonny is always a jerk, so it is not that novel of a storyline.

Sam climbing, jumping and sneaking around in those boots is just stupid,

And concrete isn't like water, is it supposed to flow in and cover them or just encase that whole room.

I thought how they were showing Dr Bensch  grooming Kiki was pretty realistic

Very realistic, and for once the show it absolutely on topic with the metoo movement.  And while I know the actor's acting chops have often been questioned, I actually stopped and paid attention to her face.  She did a very good subtle job of reluctance to go with Bensch, and then discomfort when he laid hands on her and the self-doubt that a lot of women have in their own reactions.  Kiki has been irritating, but I absolutely buy her vulnerability.  She has a wealthy mother who's self-obsessed, a father she barely knew who died, and a kooky surrogate father.  She was a sitting duck for an older man to come along and nurture her and earn her trust.  Now she feels beholden to him for submitting her name to that new program, and will fear he will take it away.  I hope this isn't leading to Griffin/Kiki though.  One sexually shared man between mother/daughter is enough. 

[RedheadZombie]

14 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

It feels like they're hinting at molestation. If they were beatings, what's her face might have noticed bruises. Molestation is a different ball game. And honestly, it makes me uncomfortable to even let my mind go there because I don't know how the writers will handle this. This is such a delicate subject matter.

Dr. Bensch, full on creep mode.

 

It's absolutely a delicate subject matter.  I wonder if they're going to write that Bobby pushed Andy down the stairs because Harvey decided he was tired of Bobby.  I'm not sure I could handle flashbacks with the little boy actors even if it's hinted at.

I know the audience has never really bought into Franko's redemption, by writing in a brain tumor, and his relationship with Jake and Elizabeth.  But I have to admit I'm a little moved at this relationship with Drew, and how they're sort of on the same side.

I also thought it was pretty cool that two female former rivals put their differences aside and team together.  I loved when Elizabeth rescued Sam.  And now we have super Sam on the case - 90# and 4 inch stilettos, and her side kick pint sized Liz with mad nursing skills.  I do like a story where the men are helplessly trapped and their women are saving their lives.  It reminds me of Dead Calm where Nicole Kidman's husband is trapped on a sinking yacht, and she's trapped on another yacht fending off the killer and strategizing on saving her husband.  And she does.

Edited March 20, 2018 by RedheadZombie
An amazing number of typos.

[Perkie]

Someone on the writing team has been trolling these boards:

Curtis:  What?  Did you teleport here?

Jordan:  I took the police helicopter

Cuz I was just thinking, how the heck did she get to Buffalo in 9 seconds.  Good to know PCPD resources are being used to get her to wherever boo is breaking into a bad guy's home to look for evidence!!

[dubbel zout]

19 minutes ago, Perkie said:

Someone on the writing team has been trolling these boards:

Curtis:  What?  Did you teleport here?

Jordan:  I took the police helicopter

Cuz I was just thinking, how the heck did she get to Buffalo in 9 seconds.  Good to know PCPD resources are being used to get her to wherever boo is breaking into a bad guy's home to look for evidence!!

Also good to know where Jordan's priorities are. Yesterday she had no time for Sam and Liz's concerns about Drew and Franco, but Curtis needs to know that Jim Harvey is a bad guy. To the Batcopter!

[Perkie]

1 hour ago, Blackie said:

Sonny is always a jerk

this.  

 

1 hour ago, mostlylurking said:

onny is just such an ass all the time it's impossible to distinguish if he's having a hard time dealing with Mike's diagnosis or if it's just Wednesday.

And this.

 

55 minutes ago, Linny said:

but I think Sonny would act just as gracelessly no matter the circumstances, so this storyline isn't doing much to generate my sympathy for him.

And this.

48 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

It would help the story if MB could deliver lines readings without putting so much resentment into them.

Also, if he would stop looking OVER THERE when he delivers his lines, despite his scene partners being OVER HERE.  I hate that constant, looking OVER THERE that he constantly does, like he's looking for his cue cards or the teleprompter.   I'm sure all of his scene partners are used to it by now, but I wonder what a newbie like Max Gail must be thinking.  

[Barb1959]

I know I noticed that Anna (on Monday's show) look very beautiful.  Her face was exquisite....

[ulkis]

Honestly, I doubt people who are new to the show blame anyone for using a cue card (if that's what MB or anyone else is indeed doing). Lots of actors have spoken about how overwhelming the amount of material is that they have to tape.

Edited March 20, 2018 by ulkis

[TeeVee329]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

It's too bad Lauren has no friends—ideally, other women—she can talk to about this, because that would be nice to see. She could talk about feeling helpless because Bensch has her career in his hands, and she's afraid of retaliation if she goes to HR/Monica/the hospital board. Or worse, she does go to someone and her report is laughed off. Then what?

 

I was thinking that too about Kiki really having no one to talk to about this.  And I also thought it kinda sucks for her there's no female doctor around Griffin or Lucas' (who?) age who could be a role model for her and someone she could go to before she got higher-ups like Monica involved.

The last person I want involved in this, I'll say right now, is Franco.

Edited March 20, 2018 by TeeVee329

[Oracle42]

23 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Honestly, I doubt people who are new to the show blame anyone for using a cue card (if that's what MB or anyone else is indeed doing). Lots of actors have spoken about how overwhelming the amount of material is that they have to tape.

Not generally, but this is his Emmy-bait story. It would be nice if he could at least memorize these scenes

Edited March 20, 2018 by Oracle42

[ulkis]

11 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

I was thinking that too about Kiki really having no one to talk to about this.  And I also thought it kinda sucks for her there's no female doctor around Griffin or Lucas' (who?) age who could be a role model for her and someone she could go to before she got higher-ups like Monica involved.

The last person I want involved in this, I'll say right now, is Franco.

What about Liz?

You forgot to mention that if Britt were around she would be a good choice. You're slipping!

[Oracle42]

Brit actually would be a good choice. Liz would just talk about Franco

[TeeVee329]

8 minutes ago, ulkis said:

What about Liz?

You forgot to mention that if Britt were around she would be a good choice. You're slipping!

Given her remark the other day about how she knew Franco was in trouble because he wasn't all up her face violating her wishes for space in that dreamy way of his, her ability to comment here is not the greatest, IMO.

And touché, I can't imagine the Britch putting up with that.  Neither would Dr. O, come to think of it, she'd have Dr. Bensch pitched off the nearest parapet pronto.

But in general, it's ridiculous that there's only one female doctor who's a regular cast member - Kim, who's been here about six minutes because she's a former Carly.  And it's ridiculous Kiki has no peer group to speak of, doesn't have A friend her own age.

Edited March 20, 2018 by TeeVee329

[statsgirl]

22 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

And I also thought it kinda sucks for her there's no female doctor around Griffin or Lucas' (who?) age who could be a role model for her and someone she could go to before she got higher-ups like Monica involved.

Kim

[TeeVee329]

Just now, statsgirl said:

Kim

Kim's quite a bit older than Keeks, Griffin and Lucas (who?) are much closer to her age range and thus more approachable as a peer.

[ulkis]

3 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

And touché, I can't imagine the Britch putting up with that.  Neither would Dr. O, come to think of it, she'd have Dr. Bensch pitched off the nearest parapet pronto.

I thought of O., but she might just as easily say, "don't be so prudish, sleep with him and reap the rewards, and then when you have what you want dump him."

[statsgirl]

I think of Kim as not much older than Griffin and Lucas.  Oscar's 14 so she could be under forty.

In terms of getting advice, I think it would be more useful to go to a somewhat older woman doctor, like Britt or Kim, or  Liz who has been a nurse for ages, someone who has gone through their own experiences rather than a contemporary like TJ who would be as out of depth as Kiki herself is.  Even just to advise whether she should go to HR or Monica.

[TeeVee329]

Because it's Tamara Braun and based on who she interacts with, I definitely don't consider Kim part of Griffin and Lucas' age group, but that's me. 

And I think a female doctor in that age group - like Serena if she was allowed within the city limits, or Georgie if she lived, or even Emily maybe if ditto - would be the best person Kiki could go to, someone whose career started more recently than not.

And again, I think Kiki's age group is a mess.  That she doesn't have a friend to vent to about Dr. Bensch's creepiness who isn't a middle-aged SERIAL KILLER is dumb.

Edited March 20, 2018 by TeeVee329

[Auntie Velvet]

This episode was just filled withing things that always make me so tense in a movie or show: The waiting for the flash drive to download when someone could walk in. The taking pictures of documents when someone could walk in.  The room filling up with cement. Most of these are tropes or even downright corny, but I just cannot stand them!

And while I can appreciate who skillful JDP was in the Kiki scenes, he ramped my anxiety up to 11 with his too-real menace.  

For that reason, I really appreciated the comic relief from what I'm pretty sure was the unintentional pun with Jordan and Curtis, when one of them said something regarding evidence like "We still need something concrete!"  

[ciarra]

2 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I wonder if they're going to write that Bobby pushed Andy down the stairs because Harvey decided he was tired of Bobby.

I still think they're going with Franco, the savior.  Bobby knew Harvey was going to come after Andy, and wanted to hide him in the basement.  Andy, like most young kids was afraid of the dark scary basement, and probably didn't understand the risk that Harvey posed.  It was accidental, not a deliberate shove.  And Franco took the abuse to save Andy, thus making him the hero.  The abuse would also explain his serial killer tendencies and absolve him of his crimes, rehabbing his character and making him worthy of Liz and her kiddies.

[tveyeonyou]

10 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

Anna is having to slobber to too many men these days for help. Show is using her to rack up time for men characters who need propping and excuse for screen time.

It's ridiculous. What in the world has become of Anna DeVane? I couldn't put my finger on it but that's it, she's been a wilted flower who can't do anything without a man helping her and that is not our Anna. The fact that she's been going to Sonny and Jason has been really out of character.

10 hours ago, LillyB said:

I can't believe it but I am enjoying the Drew-Franco scenes.

I am too. Even though it was the stupidest plot ever, I'm glad Jake Doe turned out to be Drew and not Jason. I like Drew so much more, and as I mentioned before, Franco is not Franco to me, so I like their banter.

2 hours ago, mostlylurking said:

This is how I tolerate him as well.  It probably has a lot to do with my RoHo love from OLTL, but I don't hate Franco.  I like how he snarks on the trifecta, and how he points out that at least he can blame most of his misdeeds on The Tumor, while Stone Cold is just...well...a stone cold killer.  I don't even hate him with Liz.  But it's true, I have had to block out all the James Franco ridiculousness to be able to get to this point.

I'm liking the Drew and Franco interactions.  Jason would never be so evolved to be able to coexist with Franco.  His world is black and white, no shades of grey.  Shit he lost five years of his life because he was doing a job for Sonny and the blockhead picked up right where he left off.  I get why he hates Franco and it is 100% justified.  But things have changed in 5 years, not to erase the past but at least to explain it.  Jason just does not have the capacity to get that.

This. All of this.

[FireSpark]

I miss the good 'ol days when Roger Howarth could actually act and was able to brilliantly portray a multi layered character with so many powerful performances. He was so damn amazing his first few years on OLTL. Most of all he knew what the word SUBTLY meant and how to portray it on screen.

But that was long ago in a galaxy far, far away...

I've been SO done with his lame, same old OTT cringe inducing shtick that's been his "acting style" for the past 18 years. 

I didn't know I still cared enough to rant about this, since I've long given up hope of ever enjoying Roger's work again. It's even worse when you know what he's capable of but it's all cringe, cringe, cringe now. IMO, Franco is the worst.

And NO! Franco is not and will NEVER be Todd Manning. 

[Hater]

Much rather see Franco and Drew together than any Carson and Lassie.

[LillyB]

sonny seemed pissed because Mike seems to like Dante more than him.