Episode Discussion: TFGH

[Ambrosefolly]

Just now, HeatLifer said:

Am I in the minority in wanting this camp to end?

No, its stupid and this team lacks the talent to pull of the ludicrousness like Casey the Alien and the Ice Princess, and I have heard tons of debate of the merits of both. 

[Oracle42]

On 3/4/2017 at 11:05 PM, coffee drinker said:

I doubt the writers "hate" Willy Miller.  The final script sign off happens from one Lizzie Korte, the remaining hold over who knows all about the "phoenix" garbage.  It was on her watch during the previous regime.  It was totally an ode to the J/S fanbase, imo.  May well have been inserted by Lizzie.  Korte was a pro-J/S writer going all the way back to Guza.  

*Shrug*.

I don't actually think the writers "hate" any of the actors. I do think that they are a disappointing combo of lazy and incompetent. And I do think they cribbed all of BM's dialogue from a Lifetime 'wife in a coma' scene and stuck in the phoenix/stars reference so they could claim to be honoring history! while doing minimal work

Edited March 6, 2017 by Oracle42

[TeeVee329]

6 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Am I in the minority in wanting this camp to end?

I'm not sure why you quoted me for this, are you referring to Olivia J.'s craziness, my musing about a David appearance, the general BFTD crutch?

*shrug* And I'm not gonna apologize for getting some enjoyment from the soapy stupidity of this.

[HeatLifer]

3 minutes ago, Ambrosefolly said:

No, its stupid and this team lacks the talent to pull of the ludicrousness like Casey the Alien and the Ice Princess, and I have heard tons of debate of the merits of both. 

I feel the same way. The writing is not even close to being credible. Helena and her shenanigans is also played out. 

I want Robin far, far away from the crazies, as well. You'd think she served her time for FOUR years. Enough. This was never what her character was about.

Just now, TeeVee329 said:

I'm not sure why you quoted me for this, are you referring to Olivia J.'s craziness, my musing about a David appearance, the general BFTD crutch?

*shrug* And I'm not gonna apologize for getting some enjoyment from the soapy stupidity of this.

Because you were talking about the subject? 

[TeeVee329]

I just wasn't clear if you were referring to my musing about how David would work in this story versus the story in general. 

[HeatLifer]

Just now, TeeVee329 said:

I just wasn't clear if you were referring to my musing about how David would work in this story versus the story in general. 

I was talking about everything. Back from the dead stuff, Helena, Robin being taken to resurrect another body, etc. I'm just not interested. I was wondering if I was in the minority, or if most were excited? 

[ulkis]

What's BFTD stand for? Something something Duke, I'm guessing.

Olivia's sparkly jacket doesn't help ease my Patti LuPone reminder when she's around, heh.

I'll give annoying Nina this, she probably has the best wardrobe on the show. Although once in a while dressing simply makes one stand out, like it did for Anna today. She looked very nice, and I liked her scenes today.

Hair report:

Valentin's hair looked kinda weird. He shoulda just cut the little bits sticking out. Julian's, more than ever, looks like someone stuck a burnt cake on top of his head.

I . . . actually don't mind the camp right now, and usually I detest that stuff. 

Edited March 6, 2017 by ulkis

[Oracle42]

The show has been a tepid mess of blah for a long time. Olivia's whole big bag o' crazy is the best thing Jelly have done

Edited March 6, 2017 by Oracle42

[TeeVee329]

4 minutes ago, ulkis said:

What's BFTD stand for? Something something Duke, I'm guessing.

Back From The Dead.

And yeah, I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I'm enjoying this campier detour.  And I think Tonja Walker's the right kind of actress to be centering it around.  But, if she starts popping in and out like Heather, I'll pretend I never said any of this lol

Edited March 6, 2017 by TeeVee329

[ulkis]

Ah, thanks.

[HeatLifer]

50 minutes ago, ulkis said:

I . . . actually don't mind the camp right now, and usually I detest that stuff.

I mainly want Robin removed from it. One of my favorite parts of her '05 return and years after was that she was a break from the mob and from any type of cheesy Cassadine camp. Then I got served with four years of it.

[Originalroux]

2 hours ago, LexieLily said:

Wasn't Duke cremated? Bringing Duke back to life out of an urn full of ashes is slightly above Robin's skill set, OJ. A lock of hair and a vial of his DNA (WTF) won't help.

For some reason the scene from "Sleeper" (Woody Allen) where to government was planning on bringing the leader back to life by cloning his nose, only to have the nose stolen and flattened by a paving roller, comes to mind.  I think TW could pull off that level of wacky.

Sorry for that detour; back to your regular conversations. 

[TeeVee329]

16 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

I mainly want Robin removed from it. One of my favorite parts of her '05 return and years after was that she was a break from the mob and from any type of cheesy Cassadine camp. Then I got served with four years of it.

Given her history with Olivia J., though, it would have been weird if they never crossed paths while Robin was in town.

Edited March 6, 2017 by TeeVee329

[P3pp3rb1rd]

I haven't seen the show today yet, but after reading all of your comments I think it would send me into a rageful disappointment. None of the back from the dead stuff appeals, and neither does the Liv camp. And Franco and Liz being mixed up in it is the final killjoy.

I'm not even gonna bother fast-forwarding today.

[HeatLifer]

23 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Given her history with Olivia J., though, it would have been weird if they never crossed paths while Robin was in town.

I totally don't have a problem with them interacting. My issue is that Robin was taken AGAIN, chained up, and is being asked to resurrect another dead person. How Frank uses Robin is not what Robin is about.

[peachmangosteen]

2 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

was there talk about Robin's experiences in bringing Jason/Hells/Stavros back to life?

No lol. I thought that was weird. But maybe it'll come up tomorrow.

1 hour ago, Oracle42 said:

I know this is going to end up stupid but I am unreasonably excited by the idea of something happening - bonus points if it's actually soapy

+1

Listen, I straight-up enjoyed this episode. I did skip everything Franco/Liz related, but otherwise I was entertained all the way through. 

I fucking love this Liv shit. I am all about camp and I don't care! Of course knowing these particular writers it will end up sucking, but today it was perfect imo.

[Chairperson Meow]

7 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

That's a classic soap trope, but the writers went about it so sloppily. There are way too many holes in the story that they either didn't think or don't care about. You can't make Frank the reason when he haven't heard boo about him for years. At least Stanvil him six months earlier so there's some foundation.

Which makes sense—when you're going to scheme, you're not going to tell the truth—except it took way too long for any connection between Nelle and the Bensons to be made.

I wish we had stanvils still.  This show might kinda make sense.  But Duke alive?  No.  please no.  I don't want to say anyone but him though because I know we'll get something worse.  

[Ladyrain]

2 hours ago, ulkis said:

That's too close to that elf from Harry Potter I detest. How about Robte or something?

Aw, you didn't like Dobby?  When reading the book, I cried like a baby when he died.  -  Is Robin sticking around for awhile now?  I sort of thought this might be another brief stint, but she's already been on longer than I thought she would be. 

[Ladyrain]

You'd think that after all the times Robin has been kidnapped in her lifetime that she'd at least carry pepper spray in her purse.  Hell, she should be packing a stun gun.  With her history, I'm sure she'd get a permit.

Edited March 6, 2017 by Ladyrain

[dubbel zout]

Did we see how Olivia threatened Robin? It seemed like we went from Robin's "Oh, it's you" to her being chained to the wall.

[ulkis]

4 minutes ago, Ladyrain said:

You'd think that after all the times Robin has been kidnapped in her lifetime that she'd at least carry pepper spray in her purse.  Hell, she should be packing a stun gun.  With her history, I'm sure she's get a permit.

She's an expert marksman. Get a gun, what the hell.

[TeeVee329]

1 minute ago, dubbel zout said:

Did we see how Olivia threatened Robin? It seemed like we went from Robin's "Oh, it's you" to her being chained to the wall.

Nope.  We ended Friday with them bumping into each other.  We started today with Liv walking a chained and gagged Robin up the next morning.

[ulkis]

2 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Nope.  We ended Friday with them bumping into each other.  We started today with Liv walking a chained and gagged Robin up the next morning.

I love how the only person we saw her overpower was Sam. That's probably the better decision, heh.

[TeeVee329]

I suspect that trend's gonna continue tomorrow.  We won't see how she overpowered Griffin and got him shirtless and bound, he just will be!

That said, she did grow up in the mob AND she cray.  I wouldn't want to tussle with her lol.

Edited March 6, 2017 by TeeVee329

[HeatLifer]

16 minutes ago, ulkis said:

She's an expert marksman. Get a gun, what the hell.

Remember when she told Nik that? I always thought it was hilarious that Jason never knew.

[ciarra]

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And what is with the parking garage suddenly becoming a major set?

It's the new gazebo.  It's the new coffee kiosk.  

[ulkis]

14 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Remember when she told Nik that? I always thought it was hilarious that Jason never knew.

Yes. :) to be fair to Jason, he might not have known because they had just made it up, heh. Was it mentioned it before that, or no?

[Perkie]

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Why was Dante in a suit and tie? 

Because after months of being forced to watch greasy, unwashed Franco and his stupid hair, show has decided to bless me with something pretty to look at for five minutes.  

 

3 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

OMG, she took his shirt off before tying him up and ranting crazily in his face

Again, something pretty for Perkie to look at!!

[ulkis]

24 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

I suspect that trend's gonna continue tomorrow.  We won't see how she overpowered Griffin and got him shirtless and bound, he just will be!

That said, she did grow up in the mob AND she cray.  I wouldn't want to tussle with her lol.

The pregnant ladies? Okay, fine. Griffin? I guess she coulda jabbed him with a syringe or something. Plus, of course, Griffin is a damsel in distress. Julian? Okay, he was tied up already. But how did she get him in the hotel room again?

[Chairperson Meow]

56 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

I suspect that trend's gonna continue tomorrow.  We won't see how she overpowered Griffin and got him shirtless and bound, he just will be!

That said, she did grow up in the mob AND she cray.  I wouldn't want to tussle with her lol.

I really am disappointed we never get to see why these people from the Wayback We Have No Ideas place wont show us why these people are scary.  

[cmahorror]

So, not only are they not mentioning the fact that Robert had colon cancer while Robin was pregnant with Emma (it's canon, they discussed it on GH when he came back for Robin and Patrick's first successful wedding), they also aren't going to talk about the whole reason Robin was off camera for almost two years - resurrecting Helena and Stavros. Don't get me wrong, if I were Robin I would play as dumb as I could with crazy Olivia too, but she has to know that Robin was the one who brought them back to life.

Robin really needs to start carrying mace or a stun gun - at this point she had been kidnapped and/or taken hostage more than anyone in recent history. How does Olivia capture all these people without help or breaking a sweat? I wonder if Olivia has noticed that Robin is pregnant or if she knows that Robin is HIV positive? Does Robin have her meds? Will it even be mentioned? Does anyone besides me care? All these questions, and more, will NOT be answered on the next episode of General Hospital.

But still, I love having KMc on the show in these short stints. She looks wonderful and I love that they are giving Patrick and Robin another child. I'm sure it will be a boy but I would love it if Patrick, the former womanizer, had to deal with raising two daughters. Karmic justice indeed.

Edited March 7, 2017 by cmahorror

[peachmangosteen]

She probably just has some goons that are always within like 10 feet of her but are somehow never detected by anyone that she just calls when she needs someone tied up and captured.

[TeeVee329]

That would be hilarious, Olivia J. snapping her fingers and goons appearing out of thin air like ninjas lol.

[dr. gailey]

I am sick of Furby. Her ass can die again and stay dead. She is just like Heather. Sick of their asses fucking with Sam and she doesn't get a real response to their bullshit. Still waiting for Sam to put a boot up Heather's ass.

[Cupcake04]

OJ is freaking awesome! I am so loving her and this dumb storyline. Robin's face today was so great like WTF!  We are gonna ressurect Duke with this machine and a piece of his hair. hahaha That was hikarious but at same time TW totally sold it!  And no one but OJ could rock that glitter jacket running around the bowels of a parking garage handcuffed to a preggers!  I need to keep a glitter jacket in my trunk just in case I ever get stranded in a garage.

I have always loved the way they styled and dressed Ava and they are doing a great job with Liv too. I don't think there is one outfit of hers I havent loved. Maybe she could stay in PC and teach the youngins like LuLu how to dress!

[HeatLifer]

54 minutes ago, cmahorror said:

she has to know that Robin was the one who brought them back to life.

No one was ever really dead, according to GH. They were all in some kind of stasis.

[movingtargetgal]

I am still laughing at OJ carrying a vile of Duke's hair in her bra for the better part of three decades.  It would have been trip if Robin had told Olivia that because Duke was cremated she can not resurrect his body but she could use one of Duke's hairs to CLONE him.  

[TeeVee329]

5 minutes ago, movingtargetgal said:

I am still laughing at OJ carrying a vile of Duke's hair in her bra for the better part of three decades.

I couldn't help thinking Nina would approve, given her brassiere is where she kept THE LIST tucked away.

[Asp Burger]

1 hour ago, ciarra said:

It's the new gazebo.  It's the new coffee kiosk.  

Look, all I know is that spring is right around the corner, so I had better get The Park back. The GH parking garage is beautifully atmospheric for cold-weather months, but I lived for the weedy uncut grass, chain-link fences, and visible background SoCal architecture of The Park. Love in the afternoon. It was as though the vérité innovations of late-era Guiding Light had made a fleeting promise, and ten years later, General Hospital was making that promise come true.  

10 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

No one was ever really dead, according to GH. They were all in some kind of stasis.

GH is in some kind of stasis. It can seem dead, though.  

Oh, no, really, I enjoyed Monday's show. I'm not any Robin stan (still don't think anything they wrote for her after she left for Paris in the 1990s was as good as her youth material), but KMc perfectly played "nice person held captive for the umpteeth time by some crazy person." She did not seem especially fearful, and I guess she would not by now. Tonja Walker is wonderful, and I actually felt for Olivia for a minute. I liked Griffin, Dante, and Anna. I liked Diane and Nora, even though it strained credulity that Diane would not know what Nora looked like. Even if she did not, come on -- well-dressed strange woman at the Metro Court, this day of all days? Not even a glimmer? Diane usually considers all the angles.   

Had Franco actually been wearing the hat instead of holding it, I would give the episode an "A," grading on a curve.  

[mybabyaidan]

So why did Liv need the hospital again?   She was able to find the lab without owning it....so why the time and energy and MONEY spent on trying to buy it?

 

Nina is the worst.

 

Also.....how were the first words out of Julian's mouth not "my pregnant daughter was pushed off a bridge"

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[ulkis]

2 hours ago, mybabyaidan said:

Also.....how were the first words out of Julian's mouth not "my pregnant daughter was pushed off a bridge"

It's Julian. "Pregnant daughter off a bridge" comes after "is my hair still glued to my head" and "are there any black or navy blue sweaters I can wear around?"

[ByaNose]

I think Genie Francis had about 4 lines and then the 1 of cliffhangers. Why is she even on this show if she isn't going to have anything to do? Nora from OLTL had more going on today then Laura. Jeez!

While I think Griffin is an unnecessary character I think he & Finola Hughes have great chemistry. I love how she cares about Griffin like he was her child. So, he's shirtless tomorrow? I will have to set the DVR. I don't think Matt Cohen has had shirt off in ages? He doesn't have sex or walk in his underwear much. Isn't that kind of rare to have a hunk on a soap and he's never in the state of undress?

[LexieLily]

11 minutes ago, ByaNose said:

I think Genie Francis had about 4 lines and then the 1 of cliffhangers. Why is she even on this show if she isn't going to have anything to do? Nora from OLTL had more going on today then Laura. Jeez!

Was there *any* follow-up at all to Laura's kidnapping? Did Lulu even ask her how she had gotten home, what did the hospital say, did Kevin stay with her, anything?

[Asp Burger]

18 minutes ago, ByaNose said:

I don't think Matt Cohen has had shirt off in ages? He doesn't have sex or walk in his underwear much. Isn't that kind of rare to have a hunk on a soap and he's never in the state of undress?

He took his shirt off years ago, to have sex with Claudette, and two lives were ruined. No, three. Or nine. His choice changed everything! Because when Griffin takes his shirt off, you know what has to come off first? His priest collar.  

After he gets rescued from Olivia J., my bet is that he is not slated to take his shirt off again until he and Liz have sex in some distant sweeps period, sending Franco into a downward spiral of disturbing artwork and repeatedly picking up and putting down a butcher knife. In that scenario, Liz will become the "town pariah." Kiki will appear at the nurses' station to call her a whore.  

But seriously, now that you mention it, I believe he has been well covered up since Maxie saw the bullet wound. I might have missed something since, though.  

[Melgaypet]

7 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

She probably just has some goons that are always within like 10 feet of her but are somehow never detected by anyone that she just calls when she needs someone tied up and captured.

 

7 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

That would be hilarious, Olivia J. snapping her fingers and goons appearing out of thin air like ninjas lol.

You think Johnny's guys have found a new boss?

And man, Robin's been taken prisoner again? She better get rescued, or better yet escape before this latest stint is done. You know, there are times I kind of want her to go full supervillain and seek revenge on anyone who ever even looked at her funny.

[Vyk]

9 hours ago, ulkis said:

Julian? Okay, he was tied up already. But how did she get him in the hotel room again?

She said it herself.  She had some of her goons grab him and bring him there.

[jsbt]

Forgot all about Nora. Now I have to watch this crazy shit. First full episode in quite a long time.

Howarth looks aaawfullll and I can't believe they're still sidelining Finola in disease storylines and endless rehashing of Duke, Olivia, etc. She does have serious chemistry with DZ.

Tonja Walker's kooky ass looks pretty good as opposed to the clips I saw of her first episode where she looked like she was wearing an off-kilter fright wig. I still can't believe they appear to be blaming all of Julian's madness on her. This show benefits tremendously from weaving Kimberly into active story as often as possible. If Robin is there and in story I become compelled to watch despite overall detesting the current show.

Griffin's hair makes him look like a little boy. Valentin wussing out for fuckin' Nina turns him into the least intimidating Cassadine ever, and JP Stuart is capable of a lot more. He also looks like he's dressed and coiffed for School Photo Day. If they're trying for some sort of nonsensical triangle?? with Anna??? I am embarrassed. What in the Christ happened between him and Anna? This is ridiculous.

Hillary B. Smith's hairdo needs to get freshened up. She looks good but the bangs or whatever don't quite work for me. I can't remember if Nora had left the DA's office before OLTL ended, but she spent most of her years on the show prior to that in private practice.

I will give them props for going all in on the Endgame lab. That is an apropos Ron-esque touch. This show is so fucking boring that I'll take the camp, and it's not like camp has not been a part of GH since the '70s.

Oh, good - more Duke, Griffin and that damn kid. That's the ticket, GH. I'd write the little girl, Nina, Valentin (and probably Griffin at this rate) out tomorrow. And of course Laura is an afterthought. She should be the central matriarch of the damn show. Did they ever address that letter from Luke?

Fucking Julian.

Edited March 7, 2017 by jsbt

[NutmegsDad]

Oh, Sweet Blessed Carrie Fisher's Moonlight-Bathed Bra! Couldn't Robin wrap her chain around Liv's neck and choke her into submission?

At least they didn't insta-recon Duke's body back into existence, and remembered that Anna spread Duke all over the coast off Scotland last year.

I would be so into an episode where Liv and Heather have a Bat-Shit-Crazy-Off.

One thing about the endgame to Endgame: I remember back them they had poured copious amount of concrete to bury the lab, so just walking down and finding a couple of old IBM mainframes was a bit of recon.

[NutmegsDad]

16 hours ago, Oracle42 said:

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Griffin is Anna's child

Yeah, that's a big no. That's some DOOL nonsense. Ethan actually fit into the Holly/Robert timeline and her family definitely would have taken that kid, sold him off and lied about his existence. This is just...no.

Despite Robin's volumes of diaries to the contrary, I was hoping Ethan would be Robert's.

But who am I to speculate? I figured making Britt the AnnaDuke baby would work.

[jsbt]

Hey, it's whatever. There was a hell of a lot more in that lab back in the day than some old IBM processors so I can buy that's all that's left.

Robin really should have a gun, knife or taser on her at all times given what she's been through. Would be a nice touch for her to pull a weapon from her shoe/boot/whatever at some point.

If they're not going to hire another EP (money, etc.) they really need lock Frank in a closet to do the bare minimum facilitating required by a producer, fire the writers and completely revamp this show. I'd do a DAYS-style purge on half the cast. So many people are played out.