Episode Discussion: TFGH

[Ambrosefolly]

4 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

Griffin's writing has reeked of desperation, yes. The keep pinballing him around the canvas as if there's going to be some "place" he settles, and a story is going to sprout out of the ground as a result, and nothing ever comes of it.  At this point he might as well never have shared a scene with half the people they've set things up with, for all that came of it. Now a triangle with Liz and Franco is the latest thing...I think, but it's barely been hinted at.  

 

Too bad he wasn't introduced knowing a character that grew up on GH and doesn't work at the hospital. 

[mybabyaidan]

2 hours ago, rur said:

I think I remember Nina trying to go kind of black-market surrogacy, but she was meeting the person outdoors, and, IIRC, Ava stopped by and revealed that Nina had already tried kidnapping ripped-from-the-womb Avery, scaring the other party off. 

If I'm wrong, I welcome the correction.

That wasn't for surrogacy that was just to adopt the baby the girl was already having on the black market.

I actually have no clue if surrogacy was even mentioned , I don't pay enough attention to Nina's shit.  I think I just happened to watch the park scene because there was nothing else on.  LOL.

[Darklazr]

14 hours ago, movingtargetgal said:

Mac Scorpio is the best dad ever and he deserves to have biological children and grandchildren.  Sonny is a guy who conceives children on the fresh graves of his murder victims, has gotten his children blown up, shot in the head and has himself shot one of his son's point blank in the chest. 

It would have been so cool if Mac and Felicia had a late in life pregnancy! 

[LeftPhalange]

Nina said she probably wouldn't be able to adopt because she ripped that baby out of Ava, and she tied to buy that black market baby like mybabyaidan mention, but I don't think she's ever mentioned any other options. Nina can't just hire a surrogate and use donated sperm because Jelly are stupid.

[ulkis]

31 minutes ago, mybabyaidan said:

That wasn't for surrogacy that was just to adopt the baby the girl was already having on the black market.

I actually have no clue if surrogacy was even mentioned , I don't pay enough attention to Nina's shit.  I think I just happened to watch the park scene because there was nothing else on.  LOL.

I think there was something or other about surrogacy. I don't remember why she couldn't do it, but I remember they mentioned it. 

[dubbel zout]

Nina's in menopause, so she can't use her own egg. She'd need both an egg and a sperm donor, as well as a surrogate to carry the baby. She could still adopt privately, but the show has decided that avenue is closed to her, even though she could throw a ton of money at someone.

[Darklazr]

You would think if Nina wanted a baby that badly and she had a ton of cash to hire a surrogate, why waste time on Avery and Charlotte?  Why not hire Diane, Scotty or even Ric before that stupid marriage to help her legally obtain a baby?  Maxie, Lucy, Laura and Dillon could all run Crimson while Nina is off in baby land in another town.

[movingtargetgal]

3 hours ago, Darklazr said:

15 hours ago, movingtargetgal said:

Mac Scorpio is the best dad ever and he deserves to have biological children and grandchildren.  Sonny is a guy who conceives children on the fresh graves of his murder victims, has gotten his children blown up, shot in the head and has himself shot one of his son's point blank in the chest. 

It would have been so cool if Mac and Felicia had a late in life pregnancy! 

They still could!  I know it may be a stretch but it is not unheard of that a woman will think she is postmenopausal, becomes a little lax in the birth control department and Surprise! It would be heartwarming to watch Mac taking care of Felicia during her pregnancy and to see his face when he first meets his baby girl or boy.  What does everyone think, should Mac have a baby girl or boy?  

[Melgaypet]

53 minutes ago, movingtargetgal said:

What does everyone think, should Mac have a baby girl or boy?

A boy, he's already raised three girls.

I was going to say a Felicia pregnancy would be ridiculous, but hell, look at this show. Standards of ridiculousness are as skewed as it's timelines and moral compass.

[ciarra]

Much like Lulu, the baby/child novelty would soon wear off with Nina.

[TeeVee329]

18 hours ago, movingtargetgal said:

Mac Scorpio is the best dad ever and he deserves to have biological children and grandchildren.

Mac is a great dad, but I don't like the idea that his life won't be complete without biological children/grandchildren.  Robin and Maxie and Georgie are his daughters in all the ways that count.

[dubbel zout]

17 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Robin and Maxie and Georgie are his daughters in all the ways that count.

And everyone acknowledges that.

[Asp Burger]

I'm personally fine with the amount of Felicia we get now. Kristina Wagner was the Michelle Stafford of her day. If I'm ever missing Flea, I just pull up an old clip and look at the crazy faces, or recall how she pronounced phrases like "Lila's memoirs" (which she was required to say in every scene for what seems like a year at one point), and then I'm good.

KW always seems like a nice person, I'll admit.  

[ulkis]

3 minutes ago, Asp Burger said:

I'm personally fine with the amount of Felicia we get now. Kristina Wagner was the Michelle Stafford of her day. If I'm ever missing Flea, I just pull up an old clip and look at the crazy faces, or recall how she pronounced phrases like "Lila's memoirs" (which she was required to say in every scene for what seems like a year at one point), and then I'm good.

KW always seems like a nice person, I'll admit.  

If it weren't for you disliking Lulu, Asp Burger,  man, we would be as one.

[stlbf]

11 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Nina's in menopause, so she can't use her own egg. She'd need both an egg and a sperm donor, as well as a surrogate to carry the baby. She could still adopt privately, but the show has decided that avenue is closed to her, even though she could throw a ton of money at someone.

Well, it makes it harder, but she do just that. Hell, she could probably give birth. She just has issues conceiving. Lulu has the opposite issue. She can conceive, but her uterus makes it unlikely for her to carry a fetus to term.

And yes, the lack of background with this topic is just shocking! On TFGH! 

[Sake614]

5 hours ago, stlbf said:

Lulu has the opposite issue. She can conceive, but her uterus makes it unlikely for her to carry a fetus to term.

Nope, they fixed it so she can carry. But she no longer has viable eggs thanks to Helena and Stavros

[rur]

21 hours ago, rur said:

If I'm wrong, I welcome the correction.

 

19 hours ago, mybabyaidan said:

I actually have no clue if surrogacy was even mentioned , I don't pay enough attention to Nina's shit.  I think I just happened to watch the park scene because there was nothing else on.  LOL.

 

19 hours ago, LeftPhalange said:

Nina said she probably wouldn't be able to adopt because she ripped that baby out of Ava, and she tied to buy that black market baby like mybabyaidan mention, but I don't think she's ever mentioned any other options. Nina can't just hire a surrogate and use donated sperm because Jelly are stupid.

 

19 hours ago, ulkis said:

I think there was something or other about surrogacy. I don't remember why she couldn't do it, but I remember they mentioned it. 

This pretty much sums up the state of TFGH: Viewers who try to keep watching but can't exactly remember among them what the heck happened on the show. And we already  know that the writers don't. 

[sunnyface]

Enough with Embryos, Psychopaths and the Mob!  Fire Sonny/Carly/Jason and Franco/Nina.  Problems solved.  (YMMV).

[P3pp3rb1rd]

Coincidence? Reading Michelle Stafford's biography, I noted that her own daughter (born by gestational surrogate) is named Natalia Scout Lee. I wondered if JaSam's baby "Scout" is a shoutout to Michelle's daughter.

[WendyCR72]

Maybe, but Scout was a "thing" long before that. It is also the name of one of Bruce Willis' and Demi Moore's daughters. (The other two are Rumer and Tallulah.)

[yowsah1]

"Scout" comes from TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD. That's probably where GH got it from.

[dubbel zout]

Someone has a kid in seventh grade. Heh.

[Linny]

I live for Scott's complete and utter refusal to have a father-son relationship with Franco. Yeah, he'll hang out with Franco occasionally, but he doesn't do that because he cares. It's his penance for his role in Franco's existence. Scott clearly would not find a fuck to give about Franco if Franco wasn't his client. He hates Franco as much as we all do and I think that's beautiful.

And Franco would absolutely be the type of asshole who is obsessed with his social media "friends." Can you even imagine what he would tweet about? "Touched Elizabeth's hair today. Maybe when she gets it cut she'll let me keep the clippings. #soulmates" 

[TeeVee329]

Laura being trotted out to sign off on Liz's relationship with Franco really grossed me out.  I'm also sick to the death of the writers cramming it down our throats that Liz's off-screen kids are just gaga about Franco.  I don't buy it.

Kiki and Dillon just need to fuckin' fuck.  The stalls are so stupid.

[LeftPhalange]

8 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

I'm also sick to the death of the writers cramming it down our throats that Liz's off-screen kids are just gaga about Franco.  I don't buy it.

I believe future serial killer DNAJ would like Freako.

[dubbel zout]

Franco is probably giving Jake pointers: "If you call it art, it's legal!" "Be sure to get a brain tumor afterward so no one cam blame you."

Edited January 9, 2017 by dubbel zout

[Fellaway]

Okay, maybe I misheard, but did Julian say to Alexis that Sam wouldn't let Danny or "her daughter" anywhere near Alexis if she continued to drink?  Not that I care either way, but I thought the gender of Sam's baby was still a big secret from the audience?  Or did I miss that reveal somewhere along the way?  I know Sam and Jason cut the cake, but it wasn't revealed to the audience at that time.

Also, Franco keeps saying he let Tom go.  I think I missed those eps, certainly part of them, but I thought Tom got out of the cage on his own?

[Ambrosefolly]

7 minutes ago, Fellaway said:

Okay, maybe I misheard, but did Julian say to Alexis that Sam wouldn't let Danny or "her daughter" anywhere near Alexis if she continued to drink?  Not that I care either way, but I thought the gender of Sam's baby was still a big secret from the audience?  Or did I miss that reveal somewhere along the way?  I know Sam and Jason cut the cake, but it wasn't revealed to the audience at that time.

Also, Franco keeps saying he let Tom go.  I think I missed those eps, certainly part of them, but I thought Tom got out of the cage on his own?

 

Tom played possum and turned the tables of Franco and locked him in the cage. I don't know if they are retconning it, or if Franco is going to presented as intentionally lying.

[lizzbert]

On 1/7/2017 at 9:01 PM, Asp Burger said:

I'm personally fine with the amount of Felicia we get now. Kristina Wagner was the Michelle Stafford of her day. If I'm ever missing Flea, I just pull up an old clip and look at the crazy faces, or recall how she pronounced phrases like "Lila's memoirs" (which she was required to say in every scene for what seems like a year at one point), and then I'm good.

KW always seems like a nice person, I'll admit.  

MEMWAHS! Aww, I don't even care, I loved Felicia way back in the day, I hated when they decimated her character after throwing her to Luke. She got all the blame and he was like, "Laters!" More Felicia!

[LeftPhalange]

So Liez thinks Freako locking a man in a dog cage is "troubling" but is still willing to stick by him. Fuck her and her rapist serial killer boyfriend. 

The Dillon/Kiki scenes were extremely boring.

Are we supposed to think Lady Mob Boss is super tough and badass for pouring hot tea on Rudge Sludge?

Alexis didn't kill Tom so this is a waste of time. 

[Fellaway]

32 minutes ago, Ambrosefolly said:

Tom played possum and turned the tables of Franco and locked him in the cage. I don't know if they are retconning it, or if Franco is going to presented as intentionally lying.

Yeah, that's the way I remembered it, too, that Tom got himself out of the cage.  Thanks, Ambrosefolly!  I don't know if Franco is just lying to make himself look not as bad or if he truly believes he let Tom go, just because he intended to.

[LexieLily]

1 hour ago, TeeVee329 said:

Laura being trotted out to sign off on Liz's relationship with Franco really grossed me out.  I'm also sick to the death of the writers cramming it down our throats that Liz's off-screen kids are just gaga about Franco.  I don't buy it.

It would have been nice to actually get to see Kevin and Laura having family outings with Liz's boys. Just sayin'...

Having a rape victim herself that married her rapist be the one to give Elizabeth the all-clear to date the serial killer/rapist - I can see where the writers thought Laura would be the best bet, but have they forgotten that Franco did things to hurt Laura and her family, too? I don't buy Laura being *just fine* with her grandsons spending time with the man that, for starters, strapped her daughter to a bomb.

[Melgaypet]

1 hour ago, TeeVee329 said:

Laura being trotted out to sign off on Liz's relationship with Franco really grossed me out.  I'm also sick to the death of the writers cramming it down our throats that Liz's off-screen kids are just gaga about Franco.  I don't buy it.

Cam hates Franco. I refuse to believe anything else. As for Laura, does she even know that Franco kidnapped Aidan as a newborn and tied Lulu to a bomb? I mean, she freaking should, but... For that matter, do Jelly know?

This reminds me of when they'd make Lila coo over Sonny's dimples or the like. Just stop.

[ulkis]

1 hour ago, Fellaway said:

Okay, maybe I misheard, but did Julian say to Alexis that Sam wouldn't let Danny or "her daughter" anywhere near Alexis if she continued to drink?  Not that I care either way, but I thought the gender of Sam's baby was still a big secret from the audience?  Or did I miss that reveal somewhere along the way?  I know Sam and Jason cut the cake, but it wasn't revealed to the audience at that time.

Also, Franco keeps saying he let Tom go.  I think I missed those eps, certainly part of them, but I thought Tom got out of the cage on his own?

Nope, you didn't. They did all these coy scenes and then they accidentally let it slip in one scene. Oy. And I do think it was an accident, because otherwise Alexis would have reacted to it.

Speaking of, I feel like if NLG got a hair cut it might make her scenes seem 50% less melodramatic. I think her hair flouncing all over the place for the hundredth time is for some reason just adds that extra inch of annoyance in Alexis scenes nowadays. 

I wish I thought Scotty hated Franco but he just loves him in that crotchety Scotty way. Why was Franco putting his feet up on the booth, anyway? They're going for quirk but 90% land on childish. And the hair! The hair. WHY are they putting grease on it? This is insane.

[peachmangosteen]

2 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

I'm also sick to the death of the writers cramming it down our throats that Liz's off-screen kids are just gaga about Franco.  I don't buy it.

 

39 minutes ago, Melgaypet said:

Cam hates Franco. I refuse to believe anything else.

I think it's obvious Cam is trying to lull Franco into a false sense of security before he murders him.

9 minutes ago, ulkis said:

And the hair! The hair. WHY are they putting grease on it? This is insane.

Seriously! I don't understand why they want him to look like a dirty hobo. Like what is the point?

I loved Scott in the Franco scenes, so they were almost worth it.

Obviously, the Liz/Laura scenes were gross on every conceivable level. And Liz's too long sleeves were annoying me immensely.

I am rolling over the writers letting it out that the Jasam baby is a girl so casually after they spent what feels like months being coy about it. That had to have been an accident. Amazing! These are professionals!

Rudge looks so familiar to me, but I can't decide if it's because he's been in something else or because I'm binging The Royals and he's giving me Cyrus (but less evil and fun) vibes.

[LeftPhalange]

23 minutes ago, ulkis said:

I wish I thought Scotty hated Franco but he just loves him in that crotchety Scotty way. Why was Franco putting his feet up on the booth, anyway? They're going for quirk but 90% land on childish. And the hair! The hair. WHY are they putting grease on it? This is insane.

I wish the bar owner had killed Freako for disrespecting his establishment. 

10 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

And Liz's too long sleeves were annoying me immensely.

Liez has been taking fashion advice from Sleeves.

I didn't even realize the writers accidentally outed the sex of Sam's baby. For some reason I thought it was already known that it was a girl. Also, I wasn't completely paying attention to the ALexis/Julian scenes because I can't be bothered. 

[HeatLifer]

14 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

I am rolling over the writers letting it out that the Jasam baby is a girl so casually after they spent what feels like months being coy about it. That had to have been an accident. Amazing! These are professionals!

Does anyone really care about that kid besides their fans, though? Not being snarky, I just don't believe the general audience is tracking that.

[peachmangosteen]

Just now, HeatLifer said:

Does anyone really care about that kid besides their fans, though? Not being snarky, I just don't believe the general audience is tracking that.

Exactly! Which makes the whole thing even more hilarious!

[ulkis]

15 minutes ago, LeftPhalange said:

I wish the bar owner had killed Freako for disrespecting his establishment. 

Liez has been taking fashion advice from Sleeves.

I didn't even realize the writers accidentally outed the sex of Sam's baby. For some reason I thought it was already known that it was a girl. Also, I wasn't completely paying attention to the ALexis/Julian scenes because I can't be bothered. 

No, which is why they didn't say anything. They know the fans mostly want it to be a girl so they were trying to tease the audience by not announcing it on-screen yet.

[texastornado]

My DVR didn't record today's show, I guess it recognized it as a repeat from Friday?  Did I miss anything noteworthy?  Thanks:)

[HeatLifer]

56 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

Exactly! Which makes the whole thing even more hilarious!

I find it funny that Sam seemingly told JULIAN. Her one good quality, which was hating that psycho, has gone POOF. Now I'll just stare at her hair, I guess.

[LeftPhalange]

1 hour ago, HeatLifer said:

Does anyone really care about that kid besides their fans, though? Not being snarky, I just don't believe the general audience is tracking that.

I doubt there were many Sam/Jason fans sitting on the edge of their seats waiting to find out the sex of the baby. It's really not as big of a deal as Jelly think.

[ulkis]

17 minutes ago, LeftPhalange said:

I doubt there were many Sam/Jason fans sitting on the edge of their seats waiting to find out the sex of the baby. It's really not as big of a deal as Jelly think.

Oh, I'd say there are a decent amount.

26 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

I find it funny that Sam seemingly told JULIAN. Her one good quality, which was hating that psycho, has gone POOF. Now I'll just stare at her hair, I guess.

Maybe one of Julian's minions feted it out, heh.

Edited January 10, 2017 by ulkis

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

I think it's obvious Cam is trying to lull Franco into a false sense of security before he murders him.

Here's hoping!

51 minutes ago, LeftPhalange said:

I doubt there were many Sam/Jason fans sitting on the edge of their seats waiting to find out the sex of the baby. It's really not as big of a deal as Jelly think.

The options are not vast.

34 minutes ago, ulkis said:

1 hour ago, HeatLifer said:

I find it funny that Sam seemingly told JULIAN. Her one good quality, which was hating that psycho, has gone POOF. Now I'll just stare at her hair, I guess.

Maybe one of Julian's minions feted it out, heh.

Johnny's guys figured it out, natch.

I really hated how Jason and Curtis berated Buzz and then refused to believe what he was telling them. "A lady boss? Tunnels?" Neither of those is exactly outrageous.

I'm glad Tonja Walker starts next week. I can't take much more of Silent Hands

Edited January 10, 2017 by dubbel zout

[Darklazr]

Cam should have set Jason's ass on fire when he lied about being in all three boys lives.  Next up, Cam and Aiden should set Franco on fire!

GH fans are not stupid and we already saw fantasy scenes of JaSam / Sam wanting a girl in 2012.

Elizabeth just can not catch a break with this weird Franco garbage.

[rur]

20 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

I am rolling over the writers letting it out that the Jasam baby is a girl so casually after they spent what feels like months being coy about it. That had to have been an accident. Amazing! These are professionals!

Rudge looks so familiar to me, but I can't decide if it's because he's been in something else or because I'm binging The Royals and he's giving me Cyrus (but less evil and fun) vibes.

Re: the Jasam baby, I saw on another site that (possible spoiler follows)

Spoiler

she'll be having twins.

Rudge played Moriarty on The Librarians last season. That's where I finally realized I recognized him from.

 

IIRC, The first time Alexis ran into Tom Baker, once he learned who she was and all the unsavory folks she was related to, he couldn't get away from her fast enough. How come he'd want to be around her for a second meeting?  C'mon Jelly, that first meeting happened on your watch, and it was only a couple months ago!! 

Edited January 10, 2017 by rur
Tom Baker, not Tom Brady; Baker was never a QB for NE

[movingtargetgal]

Many decades ago Julian shot Olivia in the head.  Helena was into cryogenics.  What if Helena, knowing that her body would not go on forever, had her brain transplanted into Olivia's body?  Tonya Walker could be coming back as an Olivia/Helena hybrid.  Stranger things have happened on this show. 

[P3pp3rb1rd]

4 hours ago, lizzbert said:

I loved Felicia way back in the day, I hated when they decimated her character after throwing her to Luke. She got all the blame and he was like, "Laters!" More Felicia!

After watching Flea and Frisco for ages, and then Flea alone, I never ever saw her with Luke.

Good! I doubt if my brain could ever be bleached clean again after seeing those two together. It would evoke the same horror as seeing Red Riding Hood tongue-kissing the Wolf.

[ulkis]

I am 99.99% Jasam will not have twins.

[Fellaway]

3 hours ago, ulkis said:

Nope, you didn't. They did all these coy scenes and then they accidentally let it slip in one scene. Oy. And I do think it was an accident, because otherwise Alexis would have reacted to it.

Thanks, ulkis!  Glad to know I'm not going crazy or missing that much when I half-watch.

That is some slipshod work there.  What are the chances they'll try to blame it as a slip on WdV's part, and they just didn't have the time or money to reshoot?