Rick Kitchen April 23, 2014 Share April 23, 2014 Was Liz present at AJ's service (I missed most of the show)? Nik kept saying she was at the funeral, but I never saw her interact with anybody prior to the service. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-46426
Sake614 April 23, 2014 Share April 23, 2014 She was there. She had a brief scene with fluke and then she was at the service standing next to Monica. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-46501
GHScorpiosRule April 24, 2014 Author Share April 24, 2014 (edited) Because I'm still doing double duty...sort of... I don't think the current "Luke" is Bill Eckert (as has been floated around), because I don't recall Bill being this way. That said, and I hate to defend Luke, who I've had no use for since, a long, long time, BUT... Yes, Luke raped Laura. But it wasn't as if he were stalking her, was a predator, attacked her in a dark alley, to get his jollies and exert power over her. This was supposed to be Anthony Geary's exit storyline, and I think he was supposed to be killed off. I recall Luke telling Laura to go. To leave. To get out of there. But she wouldn't. She wouldn't leave him or the Disco. And I'm NOT blaming Laura for what happened next. Luke did rape her then. Without a doubt. Then, then, I remember hearing about the chemistry being so wonderful between Anthony and Genie (and it was, I saw it myself), Monty decided to keep Luke, and then twisted and distorted what had happened to "seduction", which was gross. Further gross was Laura referring it to "the first time we made love" even though Luke was still calling it rape. Reading about Ned "bringing it up" and it being "about time" is moot, since it was already brought up--back when Liz was raped, and Luke and Laura had it out and Laura demanded how could Luke call her his angel and then RAPE her? It was raw, emotional. And it would have been a great way for Liz and Laura to further connect, but noooo, they had to make Liz's rape, all about Luke and Lucky. It was never called seduction, except in the press/soap mags, in order to keep Luke and have them be a couple. So, Ned saying "that's what they called it then" is just...well, bullshit. Just proves that that douchecanoeratbastardprickofafuckwit known as Ron Carlivati, couldn't bother to watch the old clips to write scenes that would make sense and be true to the history. As for Jake, again, Luke didn't intentionally run down his grandson. It was an accident. And him saying that it "liberated" him, was his way of turning everyone against him, because I do believe he felt guilty and hating on himself, not to mention feeling sorry for his own sorry ass. So no, I don't believe this is really Luke, because for all his hamming it up and what not, he's never called a woman a bitch to her face, behind her back, except for Helena, I think. He's always been irreverent, but not crude, cold and gross. I saw shades of the Luke I liked back in November, during the Espionage arc, with him, Robert and Anna working together against Faison and Jerry. But then he was gone lickity split, right after Robert left the building. Edited April 24, 2014 by GHScorpiosRule 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-47235
Fylaki April 24, 2014 Share April 24, 2014 What GHScorpiosRule said !! I am of the mind that FakeLuke is Damien Smith it fits more with the Sonny Hate. Bill had no reason to hate Sonny, nor was he ever a mobster or drug dealer and his taste in art was much better then the crap is he buying Tracy. Smith meets all the needed points the only thing I cannot figure is what is going to be his excuse for keeping realLuke alive and the Ned hate since they went to school together. (His being with Tracy is Okay since he is "acting" older to pass as Luke) Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-47332
ulkis April 24, 2014 Share April 24, 2014 (edited) I think Ron knows GH history. The problem is a) he doesn't care and b) when he does care he (or the dialogue writers) just does not have a good grasp of the characters. And I don't know if it's something that can be fixed by forcing them to watch old GH scenes on a loop. I've seen some people watch a show once and then write a fanfic and have a wonderful grasp of the characters that fast. And vice verse. I suspect Ron is the latter. Edited April 24, 2014 by ulkis 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-47340
Carrie Ann April 24, 2014 Share April 24, 2014 I thought Fake Luke was possibly Jerry Jacks, just because he seems to pop up every time the show needs a bad guy. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-47436
tveyeonyou April 24, 2014 Share April 24, 2014 SonAvaBitch just made me throw up in my mouth. I mean seriously, the Quartermain mausoleum????? I feel dirty and need a long long shower. Sonny ruins everything. This fucking show. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-47444
Lillybee April 24, 2014 Share April 24, 2014 SonAvaBitch just had to fuck on the Q crypt instead of just fucking with them. What the hell? Perhaps I should give the writers props for being symbolic. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-47483
OhioSongbird April 24, 2014 Share April 24, 2014 SonAvaBitch.....I'm still getting myself up off the floor. Too perfect. Major props to whomever came up with that. I love Ava but for RC to couple her with that grease-slick of a man (and I use that term loosely) is beyond my tolerance level. Haven't watched yesterday and today yet but I have my barware at the ready. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-47493
BestestAuntEver April 24, 2014 Share April 24, 2014 (edited) SonAvaBitch just had to fuck on the Q crypt instead of just fucking with them. What the hell? Perhaps I should give the writers props for being symbolic. Damn, you are probably right. This was Ron's way of saying he doesn't give a damn about AJ or the Q's. I'm trying to fortify myself for the SonAvaBitch crypt sex. I'm going to watch in order to add more fuel to the fire of my Sonny hate. I feel like in the future we will be saying stuff like, "well it's not as bad a crypt sex" or "OhioSongBird, your post was so good I want to have crypt sex with it". You just can't make this shit up. Edited April 24, 2014 by BestestAuntEver 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-47510
Lillybee April 24, 2014 Share April 24, 2014 (edited) I think that Levi is the guy that Fluke hired to run the Drake car off the road. I think that he is using that fake Zen personality to hide his true profession. After all, who would expect the guy who is all about peace and love to be a enforcer. We all know that Sonny has no problem fucking around death. Didn't he have sex with Brenda near a dead body. Edited April 24, 2014 by Lillybee 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-47514
LeftPhalange April 24, 2014 Share April 24, 2014 What kind of filthy gutter trash has sex on a crypt. What kind of deviants have sex on the crypt of the man they're responsible for being in said crypt. Sonny and Ava are some nasty raggedy ass bitches. And Ava can shut the fuck up with all her bullshit about feeling guilty. At least she is self aware enough to know she's pathetic. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-47556
Lillybee April 24, 2014 Share April 24, 2014 (edited) When did fucking on someone's crypt become the new dancing on one's grave? Edited April 24, 2014 by Lillybee 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-47667
Turtle April 24, 2014 Share April 24, 2014 I had a lot to say about this episode, but watching those two fools eat each others faces in the crypt pretty much wiped my memory. I've got nothing more to say. Except - Gross. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-47715
BestestAuntEver April 24, 2014 Share April 24, 2014 I just watched the crypt sex lead up scenes & have no words for that vile shit. For now. Sonny truly never thinks of Morgan or his feelings. As a healthcare worker, I'm going to have a hard time believing that a baby born at 25 weeks survives being born in the woods without surfactant and a vent. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-47725
ulkis April 24, 2014 Share April 24, 2014 I just want one person to call Sonny a whore. One! That's all. No one has ever actually said the word to him. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-47734
Happywatcher April 24, 2014 Share April 24, 2014 Crypt sex...pretty bad, but at least Ron is trying new things even if they are new lows. No, you what? Just plain bad. As for the Sobby birth scene...there wasn't a manger nearby? 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-47748
Rick Kitchen April 24, 2014 Share April 24, 2014 I thought Fake Luke was possibly Jerry Jacks, just because he seems to pop up every time the show needs a bad guy. If it was Jerry Jacks, Fake Luke would have been going after Alexis instead of Kiki. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-47749
boes April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 Man, after watching MB and MW today I don't think I'll have an appetite for ham anytime soon. The whole thing is disgusting to begin with, but then to watch the two of them and their ANGST over having less depth than gum squashed on the bottom of a shoe really needed to be paired with a laugh track. A HORRIFIED laugh, but a laugh nonetheless. Watching the spittle coming off of MW, while MB vainly searched for words, it was watching outtakes from Tales From the Crypt. I can't say that Sonny crossed a line, because after shooting your own kid in the chest, that's tough to do. But pressing flesh against the wall of a crypt, well, that's GOLD for a Corninthos. Poor Carly, missing all the fun. You'd think that Franco would have already done something like this. BTW, all your comments are so good! And can't you imagine that Ron C. thinks this is his emmy reel. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-47839
Lillybee April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 (edited) I am not normally a cursing type person but I am not apologizing for my overuse of the word fuck. Seeing what SonAvaBitch fucking on AJ's crypt will never be unseen. There are so many terms for sex but banging, riding his prick and even bumping uglies and rutting like farm animals seems to be too tame to use in this case. This may be the one time that fucking is the right term. Edited April 25, 2014 by Lillybee 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-47871
Lillybee April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 I am waiting with bated breath for Morgan to start shouting betraaayal at Dad and whore, slut at Ava. I hope that he is near barware at the time. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48000
BestestAuntEver April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 Morgan needs to be shouting whore slut to Sonny as well. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48055
Turtle April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 As a healthcare worker, I'm going to have a hard time believing that a baby born at 25 weeks survives being born in the woods without surfactant and a vent. Well, you're forgetting that Redemption Arc Britt is there to save the day. Obviously, the baby will be touch-n-go for a bit, giving Patrick and Sabrina a chance to sit bedside and to bond and to fall in true love forever. And then the baby will get better and everyone will be happy, and they will have Britt to thank for it all. (I say that bitterly, and I'm a person who almost likes Britt.) But still, it's all so predictable. And not even interesting. I can deal with predictable in my soaps, but it requires an investment in the characters, and I just don't have it with these fools. But it seems they're setting Britt up to be the one that caused the accident? Or did I get that confused? The look Nathan/James and Anna gave each other seemed to me like they were setting up a "Britt done it" story line. Which, well, No. Just, No. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48184
OhioSongbird April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 OK....either my DVR rebelled or tried to save me from this shite, Wednesday's ep didn't record. Who ran the Drakes off the road? And of course...Britt just "happened" to come upon the accident scene . How conveeeenient *rme* Haven't gotten thru the Thursday show so I haven't seen the crypt sex yet. Will have my barf bowl on hand from what y'all have posted. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48272
Mrs OldManBalls April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 Someone needs to get to the crypt and seal it up a.s.a.p. This opportunity knocking people! 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48309
Aprilshowers April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 Ugh Crypt sex with SonAvabitch(Love that name btw!)or Sobby birth not sure I want to even stomach that shit yet. I swear RC and Co are just doing this crap so people will talk. "Who cares if its watchable, people are going to talk about this"! Its just a guess but I bet I'm not far off. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48390
ulkis April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 I am waiting with bated breath for Morgan to start shouting betraaayal at Dad and whore, slut at Ava. I hope that he is near barware at the time. I want him to be like, "you guys are sick! siiiiick! No! I'm gonna kill myself! I'm blind!" Maybe run in a circle, accidentally thunk into the Mausoleum wall, meanwhile Jonathan Jackson makes a cameo as Lucky with his reddest eyes and pale vampire face look that he had during the Niz reveal, and shouts HE FOUND YOU RUTTING LIKE FARM ANIMALS MAN. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48413
Happywatcher April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 I swear RC and Co are just doing this crap so people will talk. "Who cares if its watchable, people are going to talk about this"! Its just a guess but I bet I'm not far off. I tried to say something like this, and you did a better job. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48446
catalogrrr April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 I'm sitting on a barge drinking (alternately) shots of grappa and glasses of Franzia. I can't with this. So gross and disgusting. Poor AJ. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48461
jazzyscreenname April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 I am not normally a cursing type person but I am not apologizing for my overuse of the word fuck. Seeing what SonAvaBitch fucking on AJ's crypt will never be unseen. There are so many terms for sex but banging, riding his prick and even bumping uglies and rutting like farm animals seems to be too tame to use in this case. This may be the one time that fucking is the right term. Porking works for pigs like SonAvaB. Between SonAvaBitch and SqueakySabrina birthing her 25 weeker in the woods (maybe there's Emma's tree handy), it seems like they don't want me to watch. So turned off I am. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48582
Stinger97 April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 If you're new to the forum, you might have some difficulty in understanding the nicknames and abbreviations that whiz by. Luckily, we've got you covered with a handy dandy legend for you to decipher it all! Check out: "Bullet of Love: Nicknames, Catchphrases and Abbreviations"! Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48796
Happywatcher April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 A long time ago I was an MP. We had specially trained MPs called Traffic Accident Investigatiors, as do most departments. Ron couldn't hire two extras for the day with reflective vests, cameras, and tape measures? Ron is going to try to hang Britt with causing an accident by swerving into Sobby's lane? (Scruffy cop) "So, did you do it?" (Britt) "Nope" No impressions or photos of Britt's tires, no measurements (SC) "K, Bye" Britt heads off to change or scruff her tires Now with Anna's anti Britt kick, how much better would it be to have tire scuffs into Patprick's lane 50 feet ahead of the off-road, with the scuffs the same width as her tires and the same wheelbase? Nope, 10 minutes on wiki for a good way to cast shade on Britt is well past Ron's abilities. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48823
Lillybee April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 Just when you thought that things couldn't get worse on this show, it did. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48828
Happywatcher April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 Just when you thought that things couldn't get worse on this show, it did. I am leaving Crypt part II, Lucy Coe Jones return, and the previews alone. Just bad. Duke could be interesting, I guess. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48836
Lillybee April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 Does Duke know why Sonny needed an alibi? He really can not be that stupid not to have figured it out. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48843
WendyCR72 April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 Does Duke know why Sonny needed an alibi? He really can not be that stupid not to have figured it out. It's Duke. Dumb seems to be his default setting. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48871
LeftPhalange April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 Instead of yelling Morgan should have just grabbed the gun Sonny always carries and shot both him and Ava. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48887
Lillybee April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 I am surprised that Sonny told the truth about the crypt tryst. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48893
godfreydaniels April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 I swear RC and Co are just doing this crap so people will talk. "Who cares if its watchable, people are going to talk about this"! Its just a guess but I bet I'm not far off. The scene was loathsome, for a fact, however that being said, I think they are just trying to make daytime tv like cable and nighttime. I've seen worse on those venues. It wasn't well directed, and looked sloppy. This show has jumped the shark a long time ago, but yet I still watch because I always have. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48894
Mrs OldManBalls April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 Sonny getting a "cryptjob" was right up there with that super shitty threesome on the Dallas mid-season finale. I enjoyed MW's expression when Sonny blurted out (angrily) that yes he and Ava did have sex. That was some unintentional comedy gold right there. (As was Dr. Patrick squeezing a pre-term, 25 weeks is it?, to his chest like that! Guess that's why he's a surgeon and not an OB-GYN.) Can't wait for Carrrrrlos to go all scorched earth on Ava! 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48896
BestestAuntEver April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 (edited) I know this show is called General Hospital & medical things should be shown however I want there to be a cease & desist order on anything medical until this regime learns how to due research. I know people want to see medical things but can you image these asshats writing Maxie illness & receiving BJs heart or Robin's HIV storyline? I don't because they can't write anything that requires details. That being said, Patrick an MD carrying a 25 week preemie around wrapped in a towel & clutched to his chest is rediculous. What happened to the EMTs? Where was the O2 or bagging with a mask? Where was the urgency to get the preemie to the NICU? In real life, I'd have concern & prayers for the preemie. Since this is a soap, that baby needs to be a tock & forgotten. I don't care about Sabrina's pain either. Felix & Ron can go somewhere & have several seats. Felix was never that into Brad. They only had 1 damn kiss & I'm suppose to now believe he's hurting so much from losing Brad. Ron needs to learn how to write the beats 7 maybe some of this shit would be believeable. I was less disgusted with the Blood Eagle performed on the History channels Vikings that SonAvaBitch crypt sex. Cryptjob. How do you explain cryptjob? How do you bleach cryptjob from your brain? BC/Morgan's angry mode doesn't bother me. Why does Sonny even think Morgan will keep this secret for him? Of course this will somehow be all about Sonny's pain. Olivia will forgive hime because Sonny is a good man & he never would have slept with Ava, if he weren't eaten up with guilt about what he did to Micheal Edited April 25, 2014 by BestestAuntEver 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48965
Lillybee April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 I guess that Franco is now going to tell the truth about Ava. Will Anna ever realize that AJ could also mean Ava Jerome. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-48967
BestestAuntEver April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 Question... Carly knows Sonny actually shot AJ. What was the big deal of discovering Ava asking Carlos to shoot AJ? It doesn't change the fact that Sonny is a lose cannon & shot a man in cold blood. I feel Ron is trying to have it both ways. I'm not buying it. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-49083
Oliveria April 26, 2014 Share April 26, 2014 Hi laides i am new here I think Luke is Anthony Z Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-49192
Lillybee April 26, 2014 Share April 26, 2014 I think you may be right, I remember how sleezy AZ was with Maxie, Lisa and Tracy and he does have reasons to hate Sonny. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-49198
Happywatcher April 26, 2014 Share April 26, 2014 Re: Luke Luke may very well be Luke. Not the first rape he has ever pulled. As I recall, his rapes turn into weddings, too. Sad part is, I don't care. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-49203
godfreydaniels April 26, 2014 Share April 26, 2014 (edited) I dont know who fauxLuke is, but he's a hell of a lot better playing HIMSELF now because I have seen him interviewed through the years, and he"S about as condescending as his character is now. In fact when Gloria Monty was in charge, he was her favorite, and could do no wrong. Now he(in my opinion) hasn't aged well at all and just looks like a bitter old ass pervert! Edited April 26, 2014 by godfreydaniels 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-49207
BestestAuntEver April 26, 2014 Share April 26, 2014 (edited) I agree that Luke could simply be Lucas Lorenzo Spencer. I also agree that TG is an ass & hasn't aged well AT ALL. However if it were Papa Z wouldn't that mean Johnny would be freed from jail since Cole-and-Hope no longer exist? Edited April 26, 2014 by BestestAuntEver 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-49225
boes April 26, 2014 Share April 26, 2014 I dont know who fauxLuke is, but he's a hell of a lot better playing HIMSELF now because I have seen him interviewed through the years, and he"S about as condescending as his character is now. In fact when Gloria Monty was in charge, he was her favorite, and could do no wrong. Now he(in my opinion) hasn't aged well at all and just looks like a bitter old ass pervert! YES to your post. Oh, yes. AG was always skeezy IMO, and all I ever saw years ago was a dirty-old-man-in-waiting. Now he's really there and it fits him like a glove. I think of all the wonderful actors over the years who have given their all to this show and then we see the Show stiffing or dismissing many of those, but still trying after all these years to push this guy as some sort of a lead. And I'm putting MB in that category too. He may not be the sleaze his character is, but he's just as bad an actor and just as sloppy at it as AG is. Ridiculous. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-49281
Guest April 26, 2014 Share April 26, 2014 Crypt sex? Just in case someone hasn't watched a different show yet I wonder if he knows someone who works at GoT? I quit this show the first time when they decided the were the Sopranos. This is a writer who just wants to be talked about. A bad sign. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3259-episode-discussion-tfgh/page/10/#findComment-49291
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