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Liz is already a Nurse With No Boundaries. No need to send that on a world tour.

Why isn't an internist checking on Jake? Patrick is all "ok, took the chip out, you haven't died in 5 seconds. Deuces!" This is why you got fired, dude. At least get Monica in there. Oh that might lead to something people want to see. So please.... more Carly/Sonny slobber fest or 9 year olds reenacting Twilight. Not.

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Nukiki debuts this week. I'm scared

I don't want to jinx us, but it couldn't be worse than the old Kiki, right? RIGHT????

Your post is the first thing that ever made me wish for the return of Natalia Livingston.  She's the only other person I remember whose default expression was set to "confused" so often.  Can you imagine the UCG we'd get out of that pairing?  "Who are we?  How did we end up on TV?"

This is funnier than it has any right to be.

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So Carly sincerely apologizes to Jake and vows to make amends. For doing something that ultimately was the right thing to do and for which he was not hurt or mad about at all.  A grown adult who is also virtually a stranger and has done nothing to warrant her loyalty in any way.

 

But she STILL hasn't apologized to Michael. Her child. That she DID hurt terribly and continues to hurt terribly.

 

Ugh. This show.

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So Carly sincerely apologizes to Jake and vows to make amends. For doing something that ultimately was the right thing to do and for which he was not hurt or mad about at all. A grown adult who is also virtually a stranger and has done nothing to warrant her loyalty in any way.

But she STILL hasn't apologized to Michael. Her child. That she DID hurt terribly and continues to hurt terribly.

Ugh. This show.

Did you forget? AJ committed the most reprehensible crimes known to man. He was a Q, allowed Jason to forcibly enter his car while drunk, he was a alcoholic and was FAT.

Michael is also being a big meanie.It's been months and he won't let it go and forgive them.

Apologies smologies.

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I don't want to jinx us, but it couldn't be worse than the old Kiki, right? RIGHT????

 

I can't see how any recast could possibly be worse than our late unlamented Mrs. Potato Head.

 

Unless Show decides to showcase a DIFFERENT root vegetable, say, and they recast with a rutabaga or turnip.

 

I can see the Casting Director right now, trying to figure out which root vegetable Morgan generates the most heat with.....what I don't want to imagine is the process.....

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Carlivati and Frank Valentini love the kid who play Spencer. They don't want anyone to hate him. They just think that this is hilarious. It is a just a case of audience disconnect. They don't get that we've never met Nicholas Bechtel, and so don't think it's hilarious to contrast the obnoxious little boy with the nice little boy in real life. We just see the obnoxious kid on our screens.

 

he's a bad actor, that's why (imo). He's good for ordering around, but Nathan is never gonna be able to look intelligent when he looks like he's wondering what his next line is.

 

But hey, he did manage to get himself and Dante out of an exploding house in 7 seconds, so he's got some sort of skill set. ;)

 

Re: Spencer - yeah, I've seen you guys write about how much they love NB, which is why I found it so confusing about what they're doing to his character.  Your explanation makes sense.  I guess C&V really do just write for themselves and not the audience...

 

It would be a stretch to make Nathan appear intelligent, so true.  Maybe he could get a job as a masseuse and be the 'go-to guy' when characters want to chat about their messed-up lives (a version of what used to be a soap opera matron inviting characters in for tea).  He wouldn't have to say much, and he could keep his shirt off all the time.  He's too Ken Doll-like for my taste but I know a lot of women like his shirtless self!

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It made me giddy that Cam started the fire. Absolutely giddy. Now if this kid could only work on his "Bitch, please," expression, he'd have some hope.

 

By the time Spinelli and Ellie hooked up, I was sick to death of Spixie because of how pathetic Spinelli came off in all of it. And I LOVED Ellie. I'm super sad she's not on canvas as well. But all that said, the easy chemistry between Spinelli and Maxie in today's scenes just blew Maxie and Nathan out of the water, IMHO. Probably because I'm still not fond of Paevey's acting, but Spinelli waiting and occasionally interjecting snark into Maxie and Nathan's conversation was hilarious to me.

 

Unintentionally hilarious? Sam knowing that Patrick felt off during that surgery because of Rafe. I honestly never expected to hear the name Rafe again. It cracked me up.

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If Sonny is the one who manages to rescue Spenser from that fire I will be barfing for a week because I drank too much boxed wine.

I'm drinking all of the boxed wine as a prophylactic. But, Sonny telling Spencer "your dad would do the same" makes me think that maybe Nik is going to be the "hero" this time. That's marginally more acceptable because Nik doesn't make me want to jam red hot branding irons in my eyes.

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If Sonny is the one who manages to rescue Spenser from that fire I will be barfing for a week because I drank too much boxed wine.

 

You think he's gonna risk his shoe polish melting away from his beard??

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How is this appropriate? Whoever mentioned wanting to call CPS was on the money

Thank you. I get that Ron and Frank may actually like this kid but the way he is written and told to act is inappropriate on all levels. JJ. KMc, AT and even the demonic little Starr and Chucky Michael were never written to be out of character for their age. Even when Michael was ordering hits it was seen as a ten year old boy over stepping his bounds. Spencer is written as an adult, with this 'love of my life' shit and being able to hire women. I wonder if Ron and Frank really do think that Stewie is real? That would explain so much. (and in their world Uncle AJ is Peter Griffin) If they think that real children or even over sized soap children behave this way then CPS should at least step in and give them some hints before this poor kid is marred forever.

 

It always seems to me that Soap Children make it "out" fairly normal. Certainly AT, JJ and KMc and as much as she can;t act KA are all well rounded fairly normal adults. Ron has a responsibility  to protect NB not make him into some parody of Ron Himself

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Did you forget? AJ committed the most reprehensible crimes known to man. He was a Q, allowed Jason to forcibly enter his car while drunk, he was a alcoholic and was FAT.

 

You think Carly would have been kissing AJ's feet for that accident because I don't think Jason Quartermaine would have looked twice at her.

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Now I'm imagining Jason Quartermaine meeting Carly.

Carly: Oh. Oh.. (tears, inappropriate physical, overbearing contact) Jason! It's you.

Jason: Yes... I am Jason. You.... must be.... (backs away) Micheal's mother. AJ's ex wife.

Carly: AJ? That drunk, fat loser?! We were married for five minutes! And he threw me down the stairs.

Jason: That's not what my mother told me. Carly? Yes. It's Carly. You tripped down the stairs. And I think I know my own brother. He may have his demons, but he's no loser.

Carly: Oh your bitch of a mother lied to you? That bitch Monica hates me!

Jason: Monica is not a bitch. She's my mother and you won't speak of her like that. Micheal and Ned have filled me in on all the damage you and Sonny Corinthos have done to my family over the years.

Carly: But Jason, you work for Sonny! We are your family! Not the Quartermaines!

Jason: You were mistaken. When Robin sacrificed her family to help me, while you and Sonny were sleeping with killers and picking off my family one by one, I realized who my true family is. Every memory I got back had nothing to do with you or Sonny. I'm a med student. I'm a Quartermaine. Now Alice, escort Mrs. Corinthos or whatever man she's attached to off the premises.

Carly: Jason! Jasooooonnnn!

That's a Fan February.

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lways seems to me that Soap Children make it "out" fairly normal. Certainly AT, JJ and KMc and as much as she can;t act KA are all well rounded fairly normal adults. Ron has a responsible to protect NB not make him into some parody of Ron Himself

That is not Ron & Frank's responsibility. They are his employers. It is NB's parents' job to make sure he turns out okay.

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Now I'm imagining Jason Quartermaine meeting Carly.

Carly: Oh. Oh.. (tears, inappropriate physical, overbearing contact) Jason! It's you.

Jason: Yes... I am Jason. You.... must be.... (backs away) Micheal's mother. AJ's ex wife.

Carly: AJ? That drunk, fat loser?! We were married for five minutes! And he threw me down the stairs.

Jason: That's not what my mother told me. Carly? Yes. It's Carly. You tripped down the stairs. And I think I know my own brother. He may have his demons, but he's no loser.

Carly: Oh your bitch of a mother lied to you? That bitch Monica hates me!

Jason: Monica is not a bitch. She's my mother and you won't speak of her like that. Micheal and Ned have filled me in on all the damage you and Sonny Corinthos have done to my family over the years.

Carly: But Jason, you work for Sonny! We are your family! Not the Quartermaines!

Jason: You were mistaken. When Robin sacrificed her family to help me, while you and Sonny were sleeping with killers and picking off my family one by one, I realized who my true family is. Every memory I got back had nothing to do with you or Sonny. I'm a med student. I'm a Quartermaine. Now Alice, escort Mrs. Corinthos or whatever man she's attached to off the premises.

Carly: Jason! Jasooooonnnn!

That's a Fan February.

I would only add:

 

After she leaves Jason sits down buries his head in his hands and cries. He may not remember all the lives he took as Jason Morgan but in his heart he is responsible for them, the guilt he swears will drive him to be a better man and make amends for all he has done. That begins with helping Michael destroy Sonny. He picks up the phone and dials Anna Devane

 

That is not Ron & Frank's responsibility. They are his employers. It is NB's parents' job to make sure he turns out okay.

Respectfully agree to disagree. Ron and Frank act in loco parentis on the set. In much the same way as teachers or coaches so they have to step up as well. As much as it pains me to say it Hillary is right it takes a village and if NB's parents cannot step up (and I am not saying one way or the other that they can or can't) then Ron and Frank as the leading responsible adults on set have to. In the long run the mental well being of that poor child is a lot more important then this damn show

 

 

BTW I think this also speaks poorly of TC. Genie and Tony (as bad as Tony can be) would never have allowed JJ to be put in situations like this they played his parents and acted like it. His close relationship with both of them speaks volumes. Similarly I have heard that Leslie and Stuart were there every step of the way helping Amber during the Emily is on drugs story line.  I notice that when NB plays in a scene with Constance he is much more tolerable and toned down. Flamboyant and a little nuts but still child like such as when she put him in place at the docks or even the dancing. Tyler should have told Ron and Frank look no go on the scantly clad girls, it makes Nick look like a jackass.

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I know when Gloria monty was running the ship.She wouldn't let any of the actors cuss in front of Kmc and if they did they had to put a quarter in the jar.

 

I finally watched the kiddie stuff from yesterday.I believe these little actors are having a hard time with this mterial because there not connecting to it.I mean there 8 and 9 year olds in real life and that dialogue is meant for someone in there late teens or early 20s.

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BTW I think this also speaks poorly of TC. Genie and Tony (as bad as Tony can be) would never have allowed JJ to be put in situations like this they played his parents and acted like it. His close relationship with both of them speaks volumes. Similarly I have heard that Leslie and Stuart were there every step of the way helping Amber during the Emily is on drugs story line.  I notice that when NB plays in a scene with Constance he is much more tolerable and toned down. Flamboyant and a little nuts but still child like such as when she put him in place at the docks or even the dancing. Tyler should have told Ron and Frank look no go on the scantly clad girls, it makes Nick look like a jackass.

 

To be honest, I think that's unfair. We have no idea what Tony and Genie would have acted like if JJ got some of this material. Plus the set in those days v now are so different there's really no comparison. Tyler has zero control over anything. If the kid's parents are okay with it (and I'm pretty sure one of his parents has to be with him on the set whenever he's working), why should Tyler possibly lose his job by protesting? Because his protesting would accomplish zilch, I am sure.

I know when Gloria monty was running the ship.She wouldn't let any of the actors cuss in front of Kmc and if they did they had to put a quarter in the jar.

 

I wonder if that assuaged her conscience over having turned a blind eye in regard to teen Genie Francis' cocaine use. Monty was hardly a champion of children either.

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To be honest, I think that's unfair. We have no idea what Tony and Genie would have acted like if JJ got some of this material. Plus the set in those days v now are so different there's really no comparison. Tyler has zero control over anything. If the kid's parents are okay with it (and I'm pretty sure one of his parents has to be with him on the set whenever he's working), why should Tyler possibly lose his job by protesting? Because his protesting would accomplish zilch, I am sure.

Again agreeing to disagree but so he loses his job, it would be the right thing to do. And the fact that the set is different now a days speaks bad things for the actors and staff not good.

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I dont think its fair for TC to be responsible for NB. He doesn't have as much pull as TG had. Why should he lose his job over NB. TC does need GH to feed his own family. Let NBs real family be responsible for him.

Agreed. My perception based upon NB's twitter account run by his mother, is she is perfectly okay with this. She's a mini Ron on there, IMO.

I still can't believe they are burning down/destroying another set. Sonny has multiple ones yet they don't destroy any of those.

All the current stories seem so disjointed. All the characters are idiots devoid of true characterization who only serve for camp and plot point progression.

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Now I'm imagining Jason Quartermaine meeting Carly.

 

See, Carly, Liz, and Sam having to deal with Jason Quartermaine - that he doesn't fit neatly back in the boxes they put Jason Morgan in - would have made for some good drama. 

 

But he's already Carly's best friend, already the object of Liz's pining, already someone Sam can't shake.  Boooring.

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I think the Jake sl would have worked out so much better if the audience didn't know that he was Jason. The handsome stranger with no memories showing up in town is a tired but true soap troupe. The real truth of who he is could have come out little by little.

 

That's sort of what they're doing anyway. But I don't think Jake's real identity would be much of a secret from the audience for long—it's not as if the options are legion—so I'd rather know it's Jason up front. Of course, Ron is doing a terrible job with the reveal, but that's SOP.

 

Look at how the Fake!Luke thing is going. It's just awful and never-ending.

 

Unintentionally hilarious? Sam knowing that Patrick felt off during that surgery because of Rafe. I honestly never expected to hear the name Rafe again. It cracked me up.

 

I know! I was like, "Wait, what? Someone remembers Rafe?" Hee. 

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See, Carly, Liz, and Sam having to deal with Jason Quartermaine - that he doesn't fit neatly back in the boxes they put Jason Morgan in - would have made for some good drama. 

 

But he's already Carly's best friend, already the object of Liz's pining, already someone Sam can't shake.  Boooring.

This made me laugh so hard.

Sam: I wish I could quit you!

Jakeson: But I held you hostage! AND freed the guy who killed your husband! AND set a bomb!

Sam: That's nothing, Jason once threatened to kill me. I don't think he was gonna really, though…so, dominoes?

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I can fix this!

Sam: Jason, tell me what's wrong. Tell me how we can fix this.

Jason: I don't know if we can. What you're not getting is that I'm not the same person you thought you knew.

Sam: I don't give a damn about-

Jason: But it happened. You are in love with Jason Morgan, a hitman, a killer, go to guy for the mob. The guy who helped take his brother's son away from him, the guy who threatened to kill you- my wife."

Sam: But Jason, I had watched your son get kidnapped and I did nothing.

Jason: My God, do you hear yourself? It's disgusting. I want to be in my son's life. I want to see if we have something, but I need you to see if you love me, Jason Quartermaine and not Jason Morgan. Can you do that?

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I can fix this!

Sam: Jason, tell me what's wrong. Tell me how we can fix this.

Jason: I don't know if we can. What you're not getting is that I'm not the same person you thought you knew.

Sam: I don't give a damn about-

Jason: But it happened. You are in love with Jason Morgan, a hitman, a killer, go to guy for the mob. The guy who helped take his brother's son away from him, the guy who threatened to kill you- my wife."

Sam: But Jason, I had watched your son get kidnapped and I did nothing.

Jason: My God, do you hear yourself? It's disgusting. I want to be in my son's life. I want to see if we have something, but I need you to see if you love me, Jason Quartermaine and not Jason Morgan. Can you do that?

 

I wanna marry this post, shoot it in the head, AND throw barware at it! :-)

 

I'm sad the things I wish were happening, aren't. And the things that make me want to spork my own eyes out are front & center. I still don't get why Frank or Ron think a kiddie quad is something the 18-49 group wants to watch.

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I just want to know who the hell gave Sonny the Time Lord technology to fit a tuxedo suit, boxing gloves, smoking jacket, AND two scantily-clad women into that birthday box.

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I still don't get why Frank or Ron think a kiddie quad is something the 18-49 group wants to watch.

They don't care. More and more it is clear that they write this show for themselves. Look at how high the ratings were during General Hospital Espionage last year, but they drifted back to mob wars because that is what they want. They used TR going to YnR as an excuses, but Anna, Mac, Non-Ruined Luke and Felecia all have worked with or for the WSB, Dante and Nathan were/are cops and all of them were all still on screen, and bringing back Lucky as a WSB agent would have been a piece of cake.

 

More fans would have been happy with a return of Georgie and Lucky then Jason, whose death cause nary a blip on the radar.

 

FranknRon run GH as their private showcase.

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See, Carly, Liz, and Sam having to deal with Jason Quartermaine - that he doesn't fit neatly back in the boxes they put Jason Morgan in - would have made for some good drama.

 

I think the only person that would have a hard time with that is Carly.  Sam has pretty much moved beyond the mob crap since Jason died and I don't think Liz would have a problem with Jason Quartermaine.  It might be a little of an adjustment but I don't either would be that invested in having everything be exactly the way it was before.  Carly, on the other hand, would have a really hard time with it.  She would basically try to brow-beat him so everything in Carly's world could go back to the way it was before.  I don't think she would willingly accept a return to Jason Quartermaine.

 

While I wouldn't consider myself all that invested in Nathan/Maxie, I have found them kind of cute and at least inoffensive.  I thought the OMG WE MUST KISS AT MIDNIGHT to be over the top and kind of ridiculous, but they did kiss at midnight and seemed poised to have a great new year and now six weeks in, Maxie isn't sure how she feels?  WTF?  Why did we sit through that New Year's crap for a six week payoff?  I don't know what TPTB want us to feel, but I'm sure they want people fighting about who Maxie should choose.  All I want is for Nathan to cut his losses and walk away from Maxie.

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Carly, on the other hand, would have a really hard time with it.  She would basically try to brow-beat him so everything in Carly's world could go back to the way it was before.  I don't think she would willingly accept a return to Jason Quartermaine.

 

 

It would have been delicious to have seen a return of Jason with all his Q memories, a not dead AJ and Carly having to deal with Michael and Jason giving a damn about AJ.  Her head would explode.  Jason Morgan had no use for AJ but Jason Q loved his brother.  If he didn't we wouldn't have Jason Morgan in the first place.

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While I wouldn't consider myself all that invested in Nathan/Maxie, I have found them kind of cute and at least inoffensive.  I thought the OMG WE MUST KISS AT MIDNIGHT to be over the top and kind of ridiculous, but they did kiss at midnight and seemed poised to have a great new year and now six weeks in, Maxie isn't sure how she feels?  WTF? 

 

And Maxie isn't sure how she feels because Nathan, very rightfully, called her out on the wrongness of helping a wanted mobster and the crappy position it put him in.  She apparently doesn't want a boyfriend or partner, just a yes man.

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Nik decided to give the staff "a break from" a week of his brat son's birthday "demands??" Nikolas, do you even hear yourself?! And you have NOT raised a gentleman.  Hated the entire Nikolas- Patrick conversation and that they didn't even bother looking in on the kids dancing (while the fire burned brightly in the background). He "hopes" the kids are being G-rated? OMG, Robin come back and save your kid. Your ex sucks!!  So Emma sees flames, goes wide-eyed, and doesn't immediately scream? Yeah, okay. It was cool to see Spencer's name ablaze though. 

 

Julian is such an asshole. At a minimum, he should show some respect for the fact that Alexis and Ned have been friends a long time. Alexis, you suck so much too. Hated their scenes, and this is coming from someone who's been a Julexis fan. Clearly Alexis is still unsure about Olivia's baby.

 

Spencer risks his life to save the boxing robe his uncle gave him - Good God make the Sonny propping stop. 

 

RH X 2 sure bring the pretty. Elizabeth, you should be scared. Ric is still Ric. I can't help but be amused at the look on Elizabeth's face as Cam says he is now "with" Carly's daughter, and she's apparently telling him he's "artistic and dreamy." The Kiddie Quad is so awful. I would laugh my ass off if the kids found out Cam's mommy once tried to have a baby for Josslyn's daddy and Spencer's mommy. Maybe that would make them think twice about all this bf gf stuff.

 

Olivia and Ned are sweet together. Ditto Cam snuggling with his Mom. 

 

WTF?? is that preview of just Nikolas with little Emma. I guess ABC had tech issues?

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What the hell kind of preview was that?

 

Another worthless day filled with nothing of any importance. I can't even muster up any annoyed indignation to rant about anything, it was all just so...pointless and boring.

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Have our prayers been heard? I gather that the strange preview with only Emma and Nik means that Spencer didn't make it or he's very bad off. Did a snarker really wish that Spencer would DIAF?

Spencer is Ron's alt so I doubt he is dead, unless Praise The Lord, Ron is leaving the show and a real writer is coming on board. But since that is not happening any time soon, I suspect Spencer will live and SWWNB will appear to him in his coma state.

 

I know it's a little kid, but if we are going to do the whole Gothic Love story thing then can I at least hope Spencer is scared for life and has to wear one of those Phantom of the Opera masks that Stefan had the last time he was in town   "Wisten to the muwic of the wight"

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It made me happy that it was Sonny's gift that almost got Spencer killed (I'll be ridiculously surprised if he's dead, although that preview seems to want me to think he is).  Let that be a lesson to you, Spencer.  The whole fire thing was so so dumb.  How far away where Nik and Patrick that they didn't hear the screaming and crashing?  Emma's voice was shrill enough to shatter glass, for pete's sake.  Why didn't a smoke alarm go off more quickly, and in the whole house?  Is there really not one single servant in the house, as if Nik was going to clean up all that party stuff himself?  I'm willing to suspend disbelief for a show, but I do wish they would at least try.

 

Although, if Spencer is dead, I wonder how it would affect Nik - would he turn full-on evil, or full-on good, not care at all, or just try to impregnate the next woman he comes across?  Oh no - what if he and Liz commiserate over what it's like to lose a child and fall for each other again?  Then we'd end up with Carly, Sam, & Liz interested in Jake; Jake & Patrick interested in Sam; Sonny & Jake interested in Carly; and Ric, Jake, and Nik interested in Liz.  I can't decide if that will infuriate me, or if it will be an amazing train wreck to watch.  

 

One thing I do know, the majority of you are going to celebrate if Spencer really is dead.  

I don't think I heard a word of Alexis & Julian's conversation.  I just focused on his shoulders and chest, and it was an enjoyable scene for me.

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I know it's a little kid, but if we are going to do the whole Gothic Love story thing then can I at least hope Spencer is scared for life and has to wear one of those Phantom of the Opera masks that Stefan had the last time he was in town   "Wisten to the muwic of the wight"

 

Fylaki, I gotta say, this show is shit, but you're keeping me entertained. 

 

That goes for the rest of y'all too!

 

I guess that's why I haven't quit these boards yet.

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That preview was hilarious. I haven't laughed like that in a while.

 

I like to think ghost Stefan was there, fanning the flames. "Burn it! Burn it ALL!"

 

Spencer risks his life to save the boxing robe his uncle gave him - Good God make the Sonny propping stop.

 

See, and I thought, "for once, Sonny, you've done something right." 

 

Why is Jake such a good man? He hasn't done anything! All he does is listen and chuckle amiably. Nice of him, but hardly time to write it in and nominate him for sainthood.

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One thing I do know, the majority of you are going to celebrate if Spencer really is dead.

 

Well, yeah, if I even thought there was a chance of it. But Frank has an unhealthy obsession with the actor, so no way do I see Spencer joining his mama in hell. Pity.

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I kept imagining Patrick running from room to room looking for the kitchen. "Damn, that's not it. This mansion is too frickin' huge."

 

It didn't seem bother Ned or Liv there was no cheddar or even ice cream to go with that apple pie. Jules Jr. is gonna hate those two as parents.

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I kept imagining Patrick running from room to room looking for the kitchen. "Damn, that's not it. This mansion is too frickin' huge."

 

It didn't seem bother Ned or Liv there was no cheddar or even ice cream to go with that apple pie. Jules Jr. is gonna hate those two as parents.

 

cheddar with apple pie? That's a new concept to me.

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