Episode Discussion: TFGH

[HeatLifer]

16 hours ago, ulkis said:

Sonny and Carly won't care if BM is Jason Morgan as long as the other brother acts like Jason Morgan. Since when do Carly and Sonny feel shame or embarrassment for more than 5 seconds? They'll just be like, "whatever, can you blame us for thinking he was Jason?"

And....it's never going to happen, lol. I get the hate for Sonny and Carly, but the show is actually doing the right thing for once. Making BM Jason puts us back at square one. He was never the right recast for the character, and no, it's not because I wanted Jason not to "grow" or "forever be a Borg." But the character of Jason had certain characteristics and relationships that this show stripped and either made BM about Liz (for the first year) or Sam (for the last two years) and as Burton is displaying, Jason had relationships with a HELL of a lot of characters and there's a reason those scenes are playing in a way they never could with BM.

[ByaNose]

13 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

I'm not interested in any story that includes Amy, but I did appreciate that she was presented as a woman worth being jealous of.  Maxie didn't take one look at her and conclude she was no threat.

I don't care about Amy thus I don't care about her brother Chet. Since, I don't care about either of them I don't care at all for the ManLanders storyline. OMG! This is the dumbest storyline......ever!! In fact, I can't believe it's a storyline and it's still going on. I know that RP has limited acting abilities but even he's too good for this dumb storyline.

[HeatLifer]

13 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

He made the choice to choose "the business" over his family.  Now she's with someone who actually loves her and puts her first.  If she had any backbone left, she would have said at least one of these things to Carly, but instead she just stared blankly with those dead eyes of hers.

I will never take Sam seriously on this point. This whole "Sam is grown and a mother and doesn't like the life" anymore is compete BS to me, as she was planning to raise children with Jason from like, Day 1. And a mere few MONTHS AGO, she was acting like Sonny and Carly are her besties and named them godparents. Oh, and she even told BMJason that she's fine with whatever he chooses. Sam is a victim of being written as the plots change.

[statsgirl]

Sam may have felt she wanted to raise children with MobJason but things can change when  you're actually holding the helpless being in your arms.  Also she had to raise baby Danny mostly by herself because Jason was gone.  That could have changed her mind too because she knows how hard it is to be a single mother and she doesn't want her kids to grow up without a father.

Or maybe I'm just trying too hard to make things fit.

[Oracle42]

14 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

If he's not Jason, then he's nothing.   I'd say no one has a better right to be paranoid

If he'd been half as paranoid and proactive when he was an actual amnesiac, I might be more sympathetic. And the only thing he actually stands to lose are things that don't belong to him, like Jason's money and Jason's home. 

Everything else is a relationship where the other person gets to make a choice. 

[HeatLifer]

4 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Sam may have felt she wanted to raise children with MobJason but things can change when  you're actually holding the helpless being in your arms.  Also she had to raise baby Danny mostly by herself because Jason was gone.  That could have changed her mind too because she knows how hard it is to be a single mother and she doesn't want her kids to grow up without a father.

Or maybe I'm just trying too hard to make things fit.

If that were true, she would have had a problem with BM Jason. She very quickly reunited with him and told him she would support whatever he chose to do. They were also leaving their children at the Qs while they led dangerous investigations and BMJason has still been playing with guns for Sonny. This only changed recently as a plot point for SBu's return.

[Darklazr]

19 hours ago, Auntie Velvet said:

I'm guessing that story-wise we will see Sam choose Jason Miller initially, because they are setting up a conflict between Liz and Franco based on his insecurity about her feelings for Jason Burton. But even organically, it makes sense for Sam to still be so scarred by all the mob violence that she values Jason Miller's priorities.

For goddsake, she just tried to kill Sonny when her subconscious rage at him got free reign, during her cat box breakdown. 

By the way, Liz should step away from the fireside cuddling, and go online looking for a child therapist to replace Andre, because poor Jake is getting yet another father snatched away from him. 

BS.  Sam knew the danger of mob life when Sonny shot Carly in the head and still her ass chose to sic goons on Elizabeth and her boys.  Sam IS a hypocrite and a con who turns herself into what her mark (Sonny, Jax, Jason, Ric, Lucky, Silas, McBain, Patrick and Jake Doe) needs at the time.  If not for Carly's meddling ass, Lake and SamTrick would have all been married by now!

19 hours ago, Oracle42 said:

She really didn't. She acknowledged that Drew is a good man who loves Sam and she didn't accuse him of trying to steal Jason's life. She took responsibility for convincing him that he was Jason and admitted that she did it because she wanted Jason back. She actually agreed with Heatlifer, that Sam loves Drew because she thought he was Jason

Sam was in love with Patrick and had no interest in JakeDoe, until she found his name was Jason Morgan.  So, for me, Sam and Carly are the ones obsessed with Jason Morgan!  JakeDoe went along for the ride after he found out that Elizabeth lied and thought Jake hurt itty bit Sam.  Blech.

Edited November 15, 2017 by Darklazr

[mostlylurking]

Maybe I am in the minority but I really do not like Chet.  Maybe if we had been introduced to the character previously and had some sort of connection with him it would be different, but I find the actor to be a very bad.  He is just being an asshole.  I get the PTSD and that is why he's pushing Amy away, but because I have not interest in this character at all I'm just not there for it.  Shut up Chet.  

Edited November 15, 2017 by mostlylurking

[Cheyanne11]

I think it's all lip service by TPTB to now act like Sam has an issue with "Sonny's business" and Jason's place in it.  Please, she didn't get the knickname "ride or die" for nothing.  

I've never been a fan of Jason Miller, but the way everyone is turning on him is so gross.  I thought Diane was particularly bitchy and short with him yesterday and I think the natural reaction is one of anger and paranoia, so no qualms about BM's portrayal going that way.

[melody16]

I agree with a lot of what you said Darklazr, but I guess I now have to thank Carly's meddling for breaking up Lake and Samtrick! 

[HeatLifer]

14 minutes ago, Darklazr said:

Sam was in love with Patrick

Sam was in love with Podtrick. Chick never knew Patrick Drake.

[statsgirl]

29 minutes ago, Oracle42 said:

If he'd been half as paranoid and proactive when he was an actual amnesiac, I might be more sympathetic. And the only thing he actually stands to lose are things that don't belong to him, like Jason's money and Jason's home. 

Everything else is a relationship where the other person gets to make a choice. 

When he had amnesia, he didn't know who he was.  Now he knows so it's something real that could be taken away.

One could make the argument that it's not really Jason's home any more since JasonMiller has been paying for it for the last few years.  But what he stands to lose is bigger than a home, it's his sense of identity, his knowledge of who he after he had to rebuild his life once already. He could lose Danny and Scout who don't get to decide since if Sam picks the other guy, they will live with him.

Carly and Sonny, who were his boss and BFFs, and Diane have already dumped him.  Carly is actively working on Sam to dump him too.

[Oracle42]

27 minutes ago, Darklazr said:

If not for Carly's meddling ass, Lake and SamTrick would have all been married by now!

Driz,  I guess? But Patrick left to find Robin so he and Sam weren't going to end up married. 

[Oracle42]

8 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

One could make the argument that it's not really Jason's home any more since JasonMiller has been paying for it for the last few years.

If he's been paying for it, he was doing so with Jason's money because this is the first time he's had a job - which he also bought with Jason's money

[nilyank]

5 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

One could make the argument that it's not really Jason's home any more since JasonMiller has been paying for it for the last few years

Sam inherited the penthouse when Jason died. When BMJason was declared Jason, he was able to get all of Jason’s stuff including his shares in ELQ. Due to the way Edward set up his will, it could turn out that BMJason would get his own shares in ELQ

[LadyDot]

Let's face it, even more than always being right Carly wants to be the creamy center of a Sonny-Jason cookie.  She wants to crawl in bed with both men, have both of them adore and worship her as the epitome of womanhood.  YUCK!!!!!  Sam should have escorted Carly out of her home the second the overbearing bitch opened her mouth.  I am not by any means a Sam fan, but I am even less of a Carly fan.  Never have been.

[TeeVee329]

Lulu did an "investigative report" on the quality of food at her kid's school?  Is she Andrea Zuckerman?

[dubbel zout]

LOL at the screen of fake hedge outside the window at Windermere. They couldn't use something from the Q mansion patio?

Just now, TeeVee329 said:

Lulu did an "investigative report" on the quality of food at her kid's school?  Is she Andrea Zuckerman?

She's the new Ida Tarbell! Way to muckrake, Lulu. Where were you when your mother-in-law was prevented from breast-feeding in public? That was a story that could have catapulted you to the staff of the New York Times.

[TeeVee329]

1 minute ago, dubbel zout said:

She's the new Ida Tarbell! Way to muckrake, Lulu.

So stupid.  If they wanted to show her taking baby steps towards being an investigative reporter, maybe a mention that she signed up for a journalism class would have done it there.

Speaking of stupid, we're supposed to believe Laura didn't know anything about Nelle's shadiness until now?  I'm pretty sure I remember a scene where she witnessed Bobbie and Carly laying into Nelle.

Edited November 15, 2017 by TeeVee329

[statsgirl]

Or a mention of Lulu writing stories for her school paper, even if it is a retcon. This is as bad as Kiki and medical school.

Has Sonny not been paying BMJason these past few years while he was working for him?  If SBuJason could gather a fortune working for Sonny, BMJason should have been able to get some money from him too.

Is the actress playing Maxie pregnant?  Or does Wardrobe just really hate her?

This episode was full of people conniving -- Nina vs Cassandra, Alexis vs Valentin Valentin vs Nora, Julian and Scott vs Alexis -- and yet it just seemed so flat.  Nelle conniving was the worst.  I don't want to wish ill for the actress but the character either needs to be written better or written off.

Edited November 15, 2017 by statsgirl

[TeeVee329]

Oh also?  I hate when other characters threaten people using Sonny.  Alexis should have been able to get what she wanted out of Valentin on her own steam.

[Linny]

Alexis using her murderous mobster baby daddy as a threat against her murderous half brother in order to help her murderous ex-husband is all kinds of fucked up. I'd be more okay with Julian getting released from prison if it were due to some sort of technicality, but Alexis going to bat for this undeserving loser YET AGAIN makes me so mad.

I'm really supposed to believe that Nelle is going to use some  random tabloid to parlay her information about Ask Man Landers into a windfall, because Man Landers is a super important "celebrity." We've yet to reach the ceiling on stupidity in this storyline, I see.

Of course Maxie may be pregnant now that she has moved back home, because it's pretty much PC law that no uterus can be left unfilled. (Unless you're a bad abortion-having person like Lulu, of course.)

[statsgirl]

11 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Oh also?  I hate when other characters threaten people using Sonny.  Alexis should have been able to get what she wanted out of Valentin on her own steam.

But if she didn't, how would we know how Big and Bad and Mobsterish Sonny is?

[dubbel zout]

19 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Oh also?  I hate when other characters threaten people using Sonny.  Alexis should have been able to get what she wanted out of Valentin on her own steam.

Ugh, I know. Even with Olivia Jerome's complicity in Morgan's death (which is tangential at best; Ava is much more culpable), I doubt Sonny will do anything that will help Julian.

16 minutes ago, Linny said:

(Unless you're a bad abortion-having person like Lulu, of course.)

The show has been very clear that Lulu's abortion has nothing to do with her baby-making abilities.

ETA: Can someone pease recap the last half hour? Trump is speaking, so it's likely we won't see the end of the show.

Edited November 15, 2017 by dubbel zout

[mostlylurking]

I know this is old news but I'm still salty about it--I still wish Liz had never been told Jake Doe was Jason and then kept it a secret - thus becoming the villain in the story.  Liz actually did fall in love with Jake Doe before becoming all Jason crazed.  I really would like to know what Becky has done to deserve all the crap stories that get thrown her way.  She has chemistry with everyone she interacts with (yes, even Franco imo), I think she's a good actress and she's absolutely beautiful and never ages.  What gives??

[ulkis]

40 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Is the actress playing Maxie pregnant?  Or does Wardrobe just really hate her?

Is it possible the character is pregnant?

47 minutes ago, LadyDot said:

Let's face it, even more than always being right Carly wants to be the creamy center of a Sonny-Jason cookie.  She wants to crawl in bed with both men, have both of them adore and worship her as the epitome of womanhood.  YUCK!!!!!  Sam should have escorted Carly out of her home the second the overbearing bitch opened her mouth.  I am not by any means a Sam fan, but I am even less of a Carly fan.  Never have been.

If Carly had Jason I think she would be fine with Sonny sleeping with whoever, although she'd still get territorial.

[FilmTVGeek80]

1 hour ago, Oracle42 said:

If he'd been half as paranoid and proactive when he was an actual amnesiac, I might be more sympathetic. And the only thing he actually stands to lose are things that don't belong to him, like Jason's money and Jason's home. 

Everything else is a relationship where the other person gets to make a choice. 

That's kind of a simplistic way of looking at a situation that's pretty complicated IMO. Yeah, BM Jason could have been more inquisitive when he was an amnesiac but he decided for himself that he didn't need to know and was happy with his life. Then. along comes Carly and basically blows that all up with a computer program that shows him what his old face looked like and a DNA test that shows him that he's Jason Morgan. Along with all that, he also regains his memories and they're Jason Morgan's memories. At that point, there was no reason for him not to believe he was Jason. He's lived this life now for years. He's been a good friend to Sonny and Carly. He's built a life with Sam. He's been a father to Danny and Jake. He and Sam have a daughter. Now some guy comes along with his old face and says he's Jason now and he's supposed to just give that up without a fight. And give it up based on nothing but the fact that Sonny and Carly fervently believe the other guy is really Jason. There's no proof so why would he just had over everything - his house, money, name, wife, friends, kids - and just shrug his shoulders and go "well they were never mine to begin with." This is different than when he was Jake Doe and really had no past and no memories or anything really to lose. He has the memories - not just the old ones but the memories he's built in the last few years - and a real life to lose now.

And as far losing relationships where the other person has a choice, that's not really the case when it comes to Danny and Jake. Their mothers would make that choice. And, even the relationships he loses because the other person made a choice to abandon him, that still is something that is incredibly hurtful. Sonny and Carly may pay lip service to the fact that BM's Jason is a nice guy and have been good to him, but neither of them has truly reached out to him and tried to be a friend to him. It's basically been "Oh, I don't think you're Jason anymore, see you around, stranger." And Carly going to Sam and basically telling Sam how she feels and that she must dump BM's Jason. She doesn't care what happens to BM's Jason. She just wants to fix this for who she deems HER Jason and screw what happens to the other guy.

For me, I have far less sympathy for SB's Jason if he's the real one. Granted we don't know how Drew became involved with the WSB or had Jason's memories implanted - but we do know that OG!Jason is basically in this mess because he once again chose Sonny's business over his family. He would never have been pushed off those docks if he had just kept his ass home. And, even knowing all of that, all of the years he's missed, SB's Jason still basically admits he would do it all again. Why would I feel sorry for that guy or even care about him claiming his life again?

[General Days]

7 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Is it possible the character is pregnant?

Yes. Maxie vomited twice today, during lunch with Lulu. I'm wondering too if KStorms is expecting. I figured she was just back up to a healthier weight after her leave of absence, but now I'm wondering if she is, because why write in a (possible) pregnancy for Maxie and Nathan right now, otherwise? 

[dubbel zout]

2 minutes ago, General Days said:

why write in a (possible) pregnancy for Maxie and Nathan right now, otherwise? 

There's no character who's pregnant, and that goes against GH law.

[TeeVee329]

5 minutes ago, General Days said:

why write in a (possible) pregnancy for Maxie and Nathan right now, otherwise? 

The writers spun a wheel with all the female characters names on it and it landed on Maxie?

[Perkie]

57 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Can someone pease recap the last half hour? Trump is speaking, so it's likely we won't see the end of the show.

Not sure where to start, but here's something:

Maxie heads out and buys herself a pregancy test.

Amy's all boo hoo hoo about Chet so Nathan tells her to take her own advice from the book.  

Lulu stops Laura from hiring Nelle by telling her the truth, that Nina fired Nelle.  Nelle spots Amy and Nathan chatting about the book and calls a tip line to spill the beans about Man Landers.  

Nina pretends to be nice to Cassandra.  

Scott tells Alexis that he's worried about Julians' appeal, but she's not worried since she knows Valentin will chat with Nora.  

Valentin goes to Nora and tells her to have Olivia exonerate Julian or he'll stop paying her.  

[TeeVee329]

4 minutes ago, Perkie said:

Valentin goes to Nora and tells her to have Olivia exonerate Julian or he'll stop paying her.  

Which again seems weird.  Nora isn't hurting for money, why would she care if Valentin decided to stop paying for her services?

[sacrebleu]

Quote

And the only thing he actually stands to lose are things that don't belong to him, like Jason's money and Jason's home. 

well, if Sam leaves JasonBurton-- who she's married to--  she can get half of what he's got-- and he'd let her take it, because money doesn't matter to him-- so JasonMiller doesn't really need to worry on that score.

Although-- if Miller wants a legit job-- I bet ELQ would take him on. (Didn't he work for Michael when he was Jake? I think I remember that)

Is KimM actually coming back for another visit? I stopped watching-- and the one part of this story that really bugs me is that Robin left Patrick to save Jason-- did she do that for a look-alike? That pretty much destroyed her marriage. And if she was tricked into doing it-- I'd be pretty pissed if I were her. She also had a chunk of her life stolen because of this Twin mess. 

[AuxArx]

Boy, Alexis is really losing her voice, isn't she?  I'm not a big fan of her character, but I feel bad that the actress has to do all that talking while under the weather.

I still don't like Amy; she's just unnecessary, I think.  And why would someone with a voice like hers think acting was a good choice of career?  I know there have been whispery-voiced actresses (like Marilyn Monroe) but they were usually playing the sex kitten parts.  She just grates on me.

[Benji]

A small thing, but it bugs the shit out of me. The way Michelle Stafford always says "Ava Zherome". And she always has this smug look on her face when she does it. Why ???

[dubbel zout]

Thanks, Perkie. I got a link from ulkis to watch, but your recap is more interesting than the show.

Nora graduated from Midwestern University? Why not just call it Generic School? Sheesh.

What is Scott doing asking for a "bourbon martini [WTF?], hold everything but the bourbon"? Why can't he just order a bourbon?

38 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

43 minutes ago, Perkie said:

Valentin goes to Nora and tells her to have Olivia exonerate Julian or he'll stop paying her.  

Which again seems weird.  Nora isn't hurting for money, why would she care if Valentin decided to stop paying for her services?

And it's not as if Olivia was wrongly accused or anything. Nora was doing Valentin a favor, not making a professional point.

[Oracle42]

1 hour ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

Yeah, BM Jason could have been more inquisitive when he was an amnesiac but he decided for himself that he didn't need to know and was happy with his life. <snip> This is different than when he was Jake Doe and really had no past and no memories or anything really to lose.

 

How does he know he had "nothing to lose"? He was 40+ years old, the likelihood that he had nothing before he woke up in the hospital in PC is vanishingly small. What we do know is that he either didn't care enough to find out, or was too lazy to do so.

It's not like there were days between him waking up and Carly insisting he was Jason, there were months of him giving zero fucks that there might be people out there looking for him and waiting for him.

Yes, he's built a life in PC, but if he's not Jason Morgan, he built that life at the expense of everything and everyone in his old life - and I don't feel any more sorry for him than I do for OGJason

Edited November 15, 2017 by Oracle42

[Auntie Velvet]

4 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

The Qs were so pushy with Jason after the accident. I actually think that was pretty well done. You saw both sides: They were desperate to get the old Jason back, and he was trying to adjust to his new reality, where he genuinely had no memory of these people. Tony (RIP!) tried to mediate, but I think feelings on both sides were just too raw for anyone to step back and let things happen at a more organic pace. And that just led to each side digging in more firmly and Jason eventually opting out of the Qs entirely.

 

In real life -- or even other soap storylines -- the family would be told not to give up, not to stop prodding the brain-damaged person to make progress and basically to make connections with his old life. But the Qs were the villains for trying to keep him from living in a garage and working for a mob boss.

[Auntie Velvet]

4 hours ago, Darklazr said:

BS.  Sam knew the danger of mob life when Sonny shot Carly in the head and still her ass chose to sic goons on Elizabeth and her boys.  Sam IS a hypocrite and a con who turns herself into what her mark (Sonny, Jax, Jason, Ric, Lucky, Silas, McBain, Patrick and Jake Doe) needs at the time.  If not for Carly's meddling ass, Lake and SamTrick would have all been married by now!

Sam was in love with Patrick and had no interest in JakeDoe, until she found his name was Jason Morgan.  So, for me Sam and Carly are the ones obsessed with Jason Morgan!  JakeDoe went along for the ride after he found out that Elizabeth lied and thought Jake hurt itty bit Sam.  Blech.

I won't say "BS," but I do disagree. Sam may have been stoic about everything else, but has been traumatized by Jason's apparent death, which was in connection with working for Sonny. It's as simple as that. If you don't think it was a big deal for her, take it up with the writers who built the whole storyline of her shooting Sonny around it.

[Auntie Velvet]

53 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

What is Scott doing asking for a "bourbon martini [WTF?], hold everything but the bourbon"? Why can't he just order a bourbon?

 

I think he's trying to do that old joke where you just want the straight alcohol but order a complicated cocktail and keep "holding" the ingredients. But bourbon martinis are not a thing. Kin being quirky, I gotta assume!

[ulkis]

13 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

I won't say "BS," but I do disagree. Sam may have been stoic about everything else, but has been traumatized by Jason's apparent death, which was in connection with working for Sonny. It's as simple as that. If you don't think it was a big deal for her, take it up with the writers who built the whole storyline of her shooting Sonny around it.

I can come to that conclusion by what's on screen, but on-screen never quite articulates it point blank. Sam said a bunch of stuff when she was sick (but she's sick!) and is glad that Jason decides to fully cut ties from the business (but then she tells him, but if you really want to go back in, I won't stop you). They want Sam domesticated but the writers don't want her to outright condemn Sonny and Carly either (or original Jasam).

Plus, even when she was sick, it was still Sonny she blamed for sucking Jason in. I wish the writers would have actually let her blame Jason in her illness. But even then, she was never angry at Jason.

I feel about the same way I did when Dante cheated. They set up a bunch of stuff on-screen but they never quite said the reasons why he cheated (both him and Valerie were pissed off at Luke, the set up was there and I could fanwank it, but they never actually said it point blank on-screen.)

Sam has never just been allowed to say, "Jason was wrong and I was wrong." It's always just "I don't want that life anymore." Which I guess is consistent - she doesn't think she and Jason were wrong for being in the mob life, but as a non-fan it doesn't really make my sympathize with her that now it's smacked into her head that the mob is bad for kids when she witnessed first hand what happened with Michael.

Edited November 15, 2017 by ulkis

[Darklazr]

6 hours ago, melody16 said:

I agree with a lot of what you said Darklazr, but I guess I now have to thank Carly's meddling for breaking up Lake and Samtrick! 

Meh.  I was hoping for a character driven story where there were no bad guys and the fallout would last years and years and years!  

[statsgirl]

38 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Sam has never just been allowed to say, "Jason was wrong and I was wrong." It's always just "I don't want that life anymore." Which I guess is consistent - she doesn't think she and Jason were wrong for being in the mob life, but as a non-fan it doesn't really make my sympathize with her that now it's smacked into her head that the mob is bad for kids when she witnessed first hand what happened with Michael.

On this show you're never in the wrong for mob propping.  Especially if you're Carly or Sam.

[dubbel zout]

47 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

But the Qs were the villains for trying to keep him from living in a garage and working for a mob boss.

They pushed Jason really hard to remember who he was, even when Tony told them to ease up a bit. You can't force someone's memories to return, which is what the Qs hoped would happen. Neither side acted well during that story, IMO, but I do think it was pretty balanced. The resolution sucked, but getting Jason away from the Qs was why the story was written.

36 minutes ago, Auntie Velvet said:

I think he's trying to do that old joke where you just want the straight alcohol but order a complicated cocktail and keep "holding" the ingredients. But bourbon martinis are not a thing. Kin being quirky, I gotta assume!

Ah, thanks, Auntie Velvet. I've heard that joke, but the cocktail is usually something familiar. Oh, Kin!

36 minutes ago, ulkis said:

on-screen never quite articulates it point blank

The show is so gutless. 

[Bringonthedrama]

4 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

I will never take Sam seriously on this point. This whole "Sam is grown and a mother and doesn't like the life" anymore is compete BS to me, as she was planning to raise children with Jason from like, Day 1. And a mere few MONTHS AGO, she was acting like Sonny and Carly are her besties and named them godparents. Oh, and she even told BMJason that she's fine with whatever he chooses. Sam is a victim of being written as the plots change.

I don't think it's about "the life" because you are correct that Jason having a gun and shooting at people as Sonny's enforcer never scared Sam.  SBJason was constantly tasked with dealing with Carly's drama; guarding/rescuing/temporarily caring for the children, attempting to manage Sonny, and more. BMJason has definitely shot people in relation to his association with Sonny, but he hasn't been in shoot outs very regularly as SBJason once was. He hasn't been tasked with anything to do with Josslyn or little Avery (that I remember) that took time away from Sam, and his only interaction with Morgan was the sorta-car chase in the moments before Morgan got blown up. Carly didn't run to BMJason to beg him to get Michael to dump Nelle.  Yes, she says  Sonny and Carly are their great friends, but it's easier to say that when they're not dependent on your husband on a weekly basis to deal with the fall out of their life disasters.  BMJason has been a supportive friend to them and had moments of protecting and/or saving Sonny, yes.  However, we've seen him having actual conversations with Sam that aren't all about Sonny or Carly and Mob enemies. We've seen him get into bed with Sam and tell her that he supervised the boys brushing their teeth, and he put  them to bed. In this world of BMJason and Sam, they have some focus on their own children (when the kids aren't with Grandma Monica, Grandma Alexis or Aunt Molly). Their kids aren't at Casa Corinthos with whichever nanny has full-time responsibility for raising little Avery.  I feel like that's where the kids would be, if TPTB had been writing for SBJason  and Sam.

THIS^ is why Sam is so happy; BMJason having Jason's memories of their love just made the whole situation sweeter.  

[RedheadZombie]

3 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

The writers spun a wheel with all the female characters names on it and it landed on Maxie?

It would be much soapier for Nelle to be pregnant.  It would fit with her storyline of manipulation and deviousness, and she could be "redeemed" through a rough pregnancy.  Bonus Q baby.

I'm just not interested in another unwanted Maxie pregnancy.

[statsgirl]

Bonus -- Carly's head would explode to have Nelle having her granchild.

[dubbel zout]

Ugh, I'm tired of babies no matter who the parents are. 

[Baxter]

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I would actually love it if BillyJason was the real Jason.  Just to rub it in Carly and Sonny's faces.  Hell, even Diane.  I would absolutely love to see them so crestfallen and having to face the reality that they abandoned their actual best friend. 

This. I'm holding out hope that this is the story line. I want to see Sonny and Carly implode when they not only realize they didn't recognize but also betrayed their "bestest" friend/brother in the whole wide world. That would be a much better story than making Sam chose between the two Jasons, and it would give SB a chance to expand upon the "old" Jason character.  I can dream.

[seasons]

4 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Lulu did an "investigative report" on the quality of food at her kid's school?  Is she Andrea Zuckerman?

This literally made me laugh my ass off!