S31.E01: Second Chance

[BigRedCheese]

Yeah, but it's never been done before, so they didn't know to even watch for it, if during the challenge they happened to notice a camera paying a little more attention to Kelley, it might have been because her boob was hanging out or she hurt her knee or something. They've all played before, and never had to watch out for something like that, so I don't think it makes them idiots for not paying special attention to where the cameras were pointed, they were focused on winning and not being the first voted off.

[Guest]

It sounds like those challenges are surrounded by camera people, off on the fringes.  I don't know how someone playing would notice that one camera remained focused on Kelley's general vicinity.  They were all standing pretty close together anyway.  

[Wings]

I think the only person who will be watching is Kelly!  I hope those who find clues don't share them with anyone and destroy them.  It is likely they won't as the clue shows the diagram of where it is.  This is such a good twist.  Thank you Dalton!  

[RedheadZombie]

Also the only Kelly I will ever remember from this show is Kelly Wiglesworth - this blond Kelly I cannot remember at all - although Mr Rat swears he does.  I like her now, though, with the quick grab of the HII.  But we all know one of the great Survivor traditions is Kellys Are Always Forgettable.

 

I found Kelley completely unmemorable in her first season.  I thought she got the invisible edit, and only paid attention to her because posters weekly cried about how brilliant she was, and how her father was ruining her chance to win it all.  I probably wouldn't have remembered her at all, but I'm a Kelly as well.

 

WTH! What The Hell! How did I not know that Survivor started again? I don't troll the spoilers anymore like back in the day, but I watched Big Bang Theory on Monday night (CBS too) and don't even remember seeing a promo for Survivor. Don't they promote the show at all?  I only stumbled upon it when looking for something OnDemand last night because I couldn't sleep. Survivor is scheduled DVR viewing for me. Of course, I teach all day Wednesdays and tried to get home in time for Empire, so I probably would have watched empire first and recorded Survivor, IF I HAD KNOWN CBS! 

 

This happens almost every season for me, and it's Survivor's fault.  My DVR automatically picks up Big Brother, TAR, etc.  But Survivor always has subtitles in their titles, and my DVR misses it every year.  I was reminded when I watched the BB finale, and set my DVR.  And to make it worse, CBS is the only network who doesn't do on demand (at least for my cable provider).

 

To be fair I believe at that point there was chocolate for the girls too...

 

So Jeff actually said they had to flash their lady bits?  How was that fair to the guys?

[Guest]

The show didn't ask them to strip for food, just to give up in the challenge.  The girls suggested it, trying to up their reward (iirc).  Jeff just played along.  The guys didn't complain.  

http://nypost.com/2014/10/23/7-of-the-most-memorable-food-moments-on-survivor/

 

[marys1000]

That whole taking down their bottoms upset me quit a bit.  At that point I started wondering - do they give blow jobs to not go home at tribal council? For food?   I thought James was pretty upset with Parvati, upset in such a way as I wondered exactly how far along Parvati took it to string him along.  I don't like the idea of sex being used as game play in reality tv. Showing your bits for xyz is prostitution. 

 

That said, the reason I came to post was I was reading Vytas's 10 things he wants you to know and it confirmed some things I had put down. Shirin and Spencer have the bigger alliance.  Varner flipped. 

 

Why do you think the group saw you as a threat and decided you had to go first?

Vytas: "On Second Chance, you can't really make a first impression twice. So people have an opinion of me and thought I was a threat, and Shirin Oskooi made sure to convey that opinion to every single person she could. She was gunning for me and did good job rallying the troops... she got me."

 

I shouldn't have trusted Spencer Bledsoe and Jeff..

 

It's, like, ultimately no one can be trusted, but you have to trust some people early on. I wanted to play with Jeff Varner and he said he was with us, but my intuition was telling me otherwise...

[Wings]

After the girls stripped (their idea), Jeff said, I would have given it to had you just jumped off.  Or something with the exact meaning. Personally I think they wanted to show off their new boobs and took that even further.  Not a big deal, just stupid. 

[RedheadZombie]

They didn't know which tribe they'd be on until they arrived, right?  That would make some of the pre-game alliances useless unless they made it to the merge.  I thought it would be very interesting if Spencer/Kass/Tasha were in a pre-game alliance.  It seems unlikely, yet Cochran and Dawn were pretty tight in their second season.

 

ETA:  And I said it before and I'll say it again.  I wish going through people's bags were forbidden.   Even Lisa Welchel "accidentally" finding Malcolm's HII angered me.

Edited September 26, 2015 by RedheadZombie

[marys1000]

Pre game alliances....I wonder if anyone would actually discuss them in their current alliance or if they would keep them in their hip pocket till after the merge?  Spencer and Shirin seem tight now as does Varner, there seems to be a core alliance with a larger overall alliance there.  So if Spencer had a pre game alliance with someone on the other tribe, is that sort of like in the past when they've done tribe switches before the merge?  New people are both an opportunity and someone not to be trusted after the merge.

[Guest]

That whole taking down their bottoms upset me quit a bit.  

 

Was it Kimmi that quit watching the show entirely after that scene?  

 

After we didn't see a lot of slipping into the bushes for boredom sex since Greg and Colleen in season 1 I thought they might've put the kibbosh on Survivor sex but I read they put condoms in the medical box and every season they disappear.  They must have rules against bargaining with it, though.  Just like against sharing the winnings.  

[Wings]

How many bottoms off seasons were there?  I only remember Australia.  I don't care if they take their bottoms or have sex.  Just give me a good game with no pagonging and I am happy.  

[RedheadZombie]

I don't care about their nudity or sex either. But if it's used to manipulate, I'm just not going to respect it. I'd also prefer it off camera. It's funny that Hatch is called disgusting to go nude, but when "bikini models" do it, no problem.

[Wings]

I don't care about their nudity or sex either. But if it's used to manipulate, I'm just not going to respect it. I'd also prefer it off camera. It's funny that Hatch is called disgusting to go nude, but when "bikini models" do it, no problem.

 

 

It is more likely to be counterproductive to hook up.  It paints a bigger target on both backs.  

[Zuleikha]

Hatch wasn't called disgusting because he went nude. He was called disgusting because he went nude specifically to make other people uncomfortable, including harassing Sue out of the game in All-Stars. Also, Heidi and Jenna received plenty of criticism for stripping off.

[Wings]

I don't think Hatch went nude to irritate anyone.  It was just his sensibility.  I always wonder why straight women are so put off by a nude male body.  Most of us see them in our own lives daily!.  

 

I have zero objection to castaways having  sex.  Just give me a winner I can root for (are you listening, Spencer)?

Edited September 27, 2015 by wings707

[Kel Varnsen]

Regarding how tough this season will be. They are there during monsoon season and they are going to have an almost impossible time keeping a fire going. Seeing the size of that fire reward actually scared me, it shows how tough the conditions are going to be. That may be why they let them get supplies before the show started. Giving them kerosene and a tarp for wood is something I've never seen before.

Everything I've read about this season says it was one of the toughest seasons ever in terms of conditions and food.

The show isn't making this easy on them at all.

That is interesting since for me one factor of "new-school survivor" is that they have made things easier on the contestants than they were back in the day. I mean in earlier seasons being able to fish or build or whatever to be a provider was a legit strategy to stay in the game But now it seems that you will typically be given enough food and comfort by production that it is fine to just sit around camp and talk strategy since it is only 39 days and you aren't going to die so as long as you have a good alliance, trying to win is all that matters. But if they make it harder than recent seasons, that changes things.

[Wings]

The medical team of advisers stepped in after Australia and created some nutrition rules.  They suffered in Australia so much that it became scary.  Skupin falling in the fire and Elizabeth losing hair brought it to light. Some suffered dehydration due to diarrhea from the rewards that was so severe that they needed intravenous hydration.  It was extreme.  

[Guest]

I think they let them get dangerously dehydrated in seasons after 2, unless they slipped them water we didn't see.  In Africa, one poor tribe had to hike to a few-inch deep mud bog full of elephant shit and try to filter it and boil it, and it was 100 degree temps. 

 

I personally prefer the way it is now.  I don't enjoy seeing people suffer the conditions of the early seasons.  It was too harsh for me. 

 

There were a few years there were the challenges were laughably safe, and I didn't like that.  Bean bag toss, Connect Four, other preschool games. Boo. 

[kikaha]

Who I thought had a good first episode:

 

* Jeff Varner.  Looks like a wolf in sheep's clothing.  If he can maintain the sheep charade, I bet he goes far this season;

 

* Shirin.  Night and day improvement over last year IMO.  Set up an alliance that could run the tribe and claimed her first boot victim (even while that boot makes her tribe weaker in challenges).  But the more I see of/learn about her, the more she rubs me wrong.  So I now hope she gets clipped early.

 

* Kelley Wentworth.  Obviously.  One good, smart decision after another.  She seems several steps ahead of the others on her tribe at this point. 

 

* Joe.  Or are his heroic actions (making fire, winning the IC for his tribe) painting too big a target on his back?  Yoga class, e.g., seemed like a mistake to me. 

 

Who had a bad-seeming first episode:

 

*  Stephen.  Looked like the fish out of water.  Hope this is mostly a feint by the Survivor producers to set up Stephen's redemption arc.

 

*  Kelly Wig.  Lost the IC for her tribe, even after they gave her a huge lead. 

 

Who looked like a disaster:

 

Abi.  Can't believe she lasts long.  Also find it a real big stretch to believe her missing bag/bracelet was just bad luck.  I bet someone set that up.  It's just the first episode and the ghost of Russell Hantz is already haunting the island. 

 

Vytas.  I didn't trust his new-age image last season and this time was no different: he seems to me more like a barracuda.  But even if that's so, from the little I know of his history it sure beats the alternative. 

 

Overall a real good first episode that left me very eager to see what comes next. 

[Kromm]

I don't think Hatch went nude to irritate anyone.  It was just his sensibility.

It's been years since I've seen it, but didn't Hatch specifically SAY he did it to make people uncomfortable?

In a way since the POINT of the game was to do so and leverage it, you can almost see where he was coming from, but somewhere along the line even with the super-low-bar of reality TV, there's been lines drawn--and so the debate is if this crosses them. The question being if this kind of tactic is purely mental, or if it's physical in nature.

[marys1000]

I can only speak to season 1 since I watched it but he seemed sincerely into just hanging nude a bit and when it upset some people he put his clothes back on.  They had scene interviews with him about it and Jeff brought it up at tribal.  If he later claimed to have done it on purpose to upset people during season 1 I would think he changed his story after the fact.  Now the next season was a whole different Hatch and maybe he did use it as a strategy IDK, I can't remember that season well. (I just watched season 1 last week).

[Eolivet]

I always wonder why straight women are so put off by a nude male body.

 

When we choose to see it, it's great. When it's forced upon us in a one-on-one situation, it's a sign of intimidation. A woman can be physically hurt by a man's body for a number of reasons. Hatch was disgusting for what he did to Sue in All Stars. He blocked her path and if I recall correctly, tried to get by her in a way that he'd have to make contact with her. That's textbook intimidation. And a textbook lack of consent.

 

It's also why (I think...I hope) flashers are punished more severely than streakers. No one believes a naked man running onto a football field is going to attack you personally, but in a small group/one-on-one situation...who knows?

 

If threatening players is against the rules, one guy shouldn't be allowed to essentially commit what would be a criminal act if it was on American soil.

 

(Sorry for the rant -- Hatch's actions in All Stars have always bothered me. We now return to your regularly scheduled topic.)

[Wings]

I think most women (and men) don't find male genitals attractive.  In general, women aren't as driven by visuals as men, we're more likely to find a good story or idea sexy over a porn mag.  And the visuals most do like tend to be male torsos or arms or butts or heads with gorgeous hair (think romance novel covers).  

 

And like was said when it's a male stranger displaying his genitals without your permission, it can be a threatening thing, just because in our society you don't do that.  

The Sue Hawk seemed fishy to me, though.  Didn't she laugh it off at the time and then decide the next day she was traumatized to the point of quitting, even though Richard left the night before?

 

 

Yes, I am a straight woman, I get all of that but the strong revulsion many express is curious to me.   That is all.

 

I don't understand the bolded, Richard didn't leave; he won and was there til the end.   And I didn't buy her reaction on that one either.  

[BigRedCheese]

I think they mean on All Stars, he was voted off, and then she quit after that. I thought she did seem  a bit put off by it at the time, but then again, she could have easily avoided rubbing up against him if it was that disgusting to her. In Rob C's discussion of the season on his Evolution of Strategy, he seems to think it was a way for her to get a lot of money, and not have to play the game. He remembers Richard huddling with lawyers in loser lodge discussing it. It's hard to say, I could see it being either way.

[himela]

I am really excited for this season of Survivor for an extra reason that I know all players' names and I don't have to stop and think "who is this? who is that?" all the time. I have a feeling that Spencer is a person who has all the potential to win; he is smart, physically strong but not too strong, likeable, social, his whole package is a winning one. If he find allies who can take him further, I do believe in him. Other than that, I think the biggest threats (Terry, Joe, Woo) will be voted out sooner than later. I loved the HII being hidden in the actual challenge place, it was so smart and I was impressed with Kelley grabbing it stealthily.  What I did NOT like was the emphasis given on both Vytas and Abi, it was obvious that the votes would be to these two and one of them would leave. I would like to see more interactions and not only things leading to the tribal council. It would be nicer if Vytas getting evicted would be a surprise. I still think the duration of every week's show should be way longer. It's such a shame to record hours of each day and we to get only 15 minutes of it every episode. I will never know why they do this.

 

Other than that, lets hope for a great season!

[himela]

I don't know whether someone said it already but how about the possibility Abi put her bracelet to PG's bag only to create drama, take the heat off her and kind get the game started? It kinda makes sense cause it's very strange that she just out of the blue grabbed a bag, looked in it and there it was her bracelet (according to her story). Or maybe she wanted to show she changed cause she didn't accuse PG but "gave her the benefit of the doubt".

[Wings]

I don't know whether someone said it already but how about the possibility Abi put her bracelet to PG's bag only to create drama, take the heat off her and kind get the game started? It kinda makes sense cause it's very strange that she just out of the blue grabbed a bag, looked in it and there it was her bracelet (according to her story). Or maybe she wanted to show she changed cause she didn't accuse PG but "gave her the benefit of the doubt".

 

You got thinking about the bracelet again.  They arrived to find empty bags hanging on the trees to use for their clothes.  Presumably everyone claimed a bag and put their name on it (tags were there to use).  Abi had to be wearing her bracelet when she arrived. 

 

When she was talking about it being lost,  she was still in her dress.  So she would have had to have taken her bracelet off and put it in a bag and did not tag it.  Okay.  Logic tells me her first line should have been, "I took my bracelet off and put it in a bag but I don't know which one, I did not put a tag on it,  could everyone please check."  

 

So yeah, I think there may be something up with Abi and the bracelet.  Since out, she has claimed it was an accident.  She is probably ashamed to admit she planted it.  

 

It doesn't really matter but it is fun to think about such things.  

[himela]

You got thinking about the bracelet again.  They arrived to find empty bags hanging on the trees to use for their clothes.  Presumably everyone claimed a bag and put their name on it (tags were there to use).  Abi had to be wearing her bracelet when she arrived. 

 

When she was talking about it being lost,  she was still in her dress.  So she would have had to have taken her bracelet off and put it in a bag and did not tag it.  Okay.  Logic tells me her first line should have been, "I took my bracelet off and put it in a bag but I don't know which one, I did not put a tag on it,  could everyone please check."  

 

So yeah, I think there may be something up with Abi and the bracelet.  Since out, she has claimed it was an accident.  She is probably ashamed to admit she planted it.  

 

It doesn't really matter but it is fun to think about such things.  

 

It's not logical that Abi herself found it. Did she look in every bag? If it was me and someone was saying "I lost my bracelet, who took it?" I'd open my bag right then and there and show it to everyone. I bet everyone searched in their bags after Abi created such a fuss of it. If they did, why didn't PG find it in her bag? It starts to make more and more sense that either Abi had misplaced it accidentally and found it and she wanted to create drama or she had planned to execute this as it happened with the hopes to accuse PG and take the target off herself for at least one tribal council. Either way, I don't think the producers would show all this stupid story for so long if it didn't have an impact in next episodes. Or maybe they did it to create suspense regarding who will be voted out.

 

How come has Abi been able to talk about this incident after she came out of the game? I thought players are not allowed to reveal things that happened in the game until the episode in which they were voted out has aired.

 

Also, anyone know how they will manage to make 39 days with so many people from the get go? Maybe there will be an episode where all three tribes vote someone out or something?

[Wings]

No accident.  She looked in PGs bag and found it right where she put it.  They aired that because producers smelled a rat, too.  It doesn't necessarily mean that it is part of a plot line though I think it could be if Abi does more of that shit.  

[pennben]

I really don't think there is a nefarious backstory to the bracelet issue. I think it was an accident, simple as that.  They aired it to provide a backstory as to why Abi was in danger at tribal, and we can see from the previews it carries through to an argument with Peig Gee when they get back after tribal.

[Miss Scarlet]

The show needs to calm down about Joe. He's not God's gift to the world or to Survivor. He seems inoffensive enough, but I can't see anything particularly special about him. It's so weird to me that this is the type of guy that people drool over. He's definitely the type that Jeff falls in love with so maybe Probst is using his EP credit to brainwash everyone else to think the same way. I...don't get it. It will suck if this season is basically a love letter to him? 

 

This show takes an amazingly stereotypical and reductive view of all its contestants. As amusing as the sequence with Stephen and the tree branch was, it was also ridiculous. It's too "alpha males are x, beta males are y". I don't think it ever occurred to anyone that works on the show that you can be an intellectual and still be athletic and socially skilled. I mean, Stephen wasn't at his social best in this episode for sure, but since when are bumbling nerds also 6'2 and muscular? And apparently Savage and Joe are the epitome of alpha males, even though Savage is some sort of lawyer/supposed intellectual and Joe is pretty soft-spoken and wasn't even the leader of his alliance last time - Jenn was. So I don't even really understand what the show believes alpha and beta men are and wish it would stop trying to force commentary about masculinity. 

 

It was like when Jeff kept exclaiming how different Malcolm and Cochran were and how strange it was that beta Cochran could win the show and Malcolm didn't and Malcolm was basically like "actually Cochran and I are very similar and that's why we get along so well" and Probst was like "nooooo, that can't be true". I know that this is what reality TV is and even if people didn't want to edit the show that way the time constraints make it difficult to flesh out the "characters", but I think the show needs to realize that people are dimensional and can have a range of qualities instead of forcing them into archetypes that don't even fit. But of course I know that will never happen. Sigh.

 

Still don't like Savage and Terry. I don't understand the fandom for them at all. They are both dull, humourless, socially inept men who think everyone should defer to them and bow down at their feet. I never liked the way Savage treated Skinny Ryan and I never liked the way Terry treated any women. They can both go anytime for me. Also, Savage? Telling Joe that your daughters have a crush on him is weird and embarrassing for both Joe and your daughters. So just stop.

 

Kelly: "I've been thinking about this for the every day for the last 15 years" Me: "Yeeeah, I don't believe that."

 

Shirin and Kass are both interesting to me in that they have such poor awareness in how others see them, but they are actually pretty perceptive about people. I thought Kass was right about a lot of the observations she made in Cagayan, especially about Spencer's immature behaviour, and both her and Shirin had Vytas pegged exactly how I've always seen him and how he came off in this episode. I wonder why they can't use these observational skills for the way people view them. 

 

I have loved always loved Varner and wanted him to come back. He can be a bit of a try-hard though, so I hope I don't get sick of him if he keeps getting tons of airtime. I think he's going to go really far.

Edited September 28, 2015 by wudpixie

[Shelby]

Someone already posted this question, and if it was answered I missed it.

What was the black bear/cat like animal shown about 20 min. Into the episode?

[Jobiska]

Someone already posted this question, and if it was answered I missed it.

What was the black bear/cat like animal shown about 20 min. Into the episode?

 

Yep, I answered upthread:  a binturong.  Some cute pix on Wikipedia, which I also linked upthread.

[Wings]

Even Kelly doesn't believe she's been thinking about it daily for 15 years and said the opposite in interviews.  I think Dalton Ross mentioned she had just told him the opposite.  He also said Jeff was practically badgering her to wax poetic about the whole original experience and she just didn't have much to say, so I can see her coming up with dramatic responses to try to appease Jeff.  Ross said Jeff kind of scolded her for her initial answers, I think.  

 

 

I just learned about this today.  This could contribute as to why she is holding back.  

 

http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2015/07/survivor-richard-hatch-interview-the-2000s/

Edited September 27, 2015 by wings707

[Miss Scarlet]

 

The one that really irked me was Savage, whose speech was something like "The only bad thing in my life is my Survivor experience..." In other words, he's a millionaire executive, handsome, white, privileged guy with a lot to be grateful for, but is instead choosing to focus on this one time things didn't go his way. Hoping he gets a satisfying blindside NOT tied to any sort of game twist, so he can't cry foul about his exit.

After his first confessional where he talked about having the perfect life my exact thought was "Savage - still insufferable". 

 

 

I'm with Shirin on Vytas, he's just so smarmy, I think it works well on older women that are flattered that he's paying attention to them.

I think that's a good point. It really is just when the recipient wants attention and so when it works it's a reflection of them and their needs, not Vytas's "skills". 

 

I liked Kelley in SJDS. She was smart and quietly competent, but not the most compelling player and I know she got a lot of hate online for being boring. So I feel like she's trying too hard and overcompensating for that. She was just a little too animated and overly dramatic during her idol hunt and subsequent confessionals in a way that didn't seem very authentic.

[Shelby]

Yep, I answered upthread: a binturong. Some cute pix on Wikipedia, which I also linked upthread.

Thank you, Jobiska!

Eta: How funny that the binturong is also called a bearcat. In the glimpse we saw of the binturong on the show, I said to my husband, "Was that a bear or some kind of cat?"

Edited September 28, 2015 by Shelby

[fishcakes]

I just learned about this today.  This could contribute as to why she is holding back.  

 

http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2015/07/survivor-richard-hatch-interview-the-2000s/

 

I wouldn't put too much stock in that. Hatch's story gets more elaborate and less believable every time he tells it. I don't think he even mentioned Kelly as one of the people he claims was getting extra food until she was put on the ballot for season 31 earlier this year.

[Wings]

I wouldn't put too much stock in that. Hatch's story gets more elaborate and less believable every time he tells it. I don't think he even mentioned Kelly as one of the people he claims was getting extra food until she was put on the ballot for season 31 earlier this year.

 

Thanks for this.  

[Miss Scarlet]

I loved how everyone else that got a confessional about where they went wrong the first time they played said one thing and Abi got a whole montage. Hehehe.

 

I think Varner showed his hand a little too much at tribal. He didn't have to tell everyone that he was going to play so hard. Although I guess they were about to find out a few minutes later anyway.

[ProfCrash]

I don't think Hatch went nude to irritate anyone.  It was just his sensibility.  I always wonder why straight women are so put off by a nude male body.  Most of us see them in our own lives daily!.  

 

I have zero objection to castaways having  sex.  Just give me a winner I can root for (are you listening, Spencer)?

 

 

It's been years since I've seen it, but didn't Hatch specifically SAY he did it to make people uncomfortable?

In a way since the POINT of the game was to do so and leverage it, you can almost see where he was coming from, but somewhere along the line even with the super-low-bar of reality TV, there's been lines drawn--and so the debate is if this crosses them. The question being if this kind of tactic is purely mental, or if it's physical in nature.

Richard talked about wandering naked during the first season because it made people uncomfortable. He flat out said he was participating in the All Star challenge naked because it made people uncomfortable. At least, that is my memory. Admitidly, I do not rewatch seasons so my memory might be faulty.

 

Strange, this is the first time I have heard about the Kelly Wigglesworth food thing. I remember a bunch of other scandals, like reshooting competitions with doubles in Australia. I never thought that was a big deal but it caused a massive out cry, jerky gate, smuggling matches, and the like. If Kelly got feed then that is not fiar and I think it is bogus. It is interesting because there is the suggestion that Woo was taking food and water from Production in his season. Food is a huge issue on the show. I am glad that they have added the food rewards and the like. Africa got to be pretty boring and I don't really need to watch people starve.

[willpwr]

I'm glad Abi wasn't voted out so I can see some more "mistakes". I was laughing during the Vytas yoga session, he really seemed to think all the women would be impressed otherwise why all those moves that emphasized his junk and butt. Except for all the Joe adoration this was a pretty enjoyable episode.

[Kel Varnsen]

I think they let them get dangerously dehydrated in seasons after 2, unless they slipped them water we didn't see.  In Africa, one poor tribe had to hike to a few-inch deep mud bog full of elephant shit and try to filter it and boil it, and it was 100 degree temps. 

 

I personally prefer the way it is now.  I don't enjoy seeing people suffer the conditions of the early seasons.  It was too harsh for me. 

 

 

I don't expect the show to make them suffer, but i think that rewards, and thr amount of stuff they get has changed significantly, to the point where it has changed strategy of the game. It seems like now food is less if an issue since if you make it to the merge and have a solid alliance you are going to get a feast every few days.

 

  I remember a bunch of other scandals, like reshooting competitions with doubles in Australia. I never thought that was a big deal but it caused a massive out cry, jerky gate, smuggling matches, and the like. If Kelly got feed then that is not fiar and I think it is bogus. It is interesting because there is the suggestion that Woo was taking food and water from Production in his season. Food is a huge issue on the show. I am glad that they have added the food rewards and the like. Africa got to be pretty boring and I don't really need to watch people starve.

I remember the scandal about the reshoots. Looking back now it's almost funny how now people seem to know that everything is fake in reality tv, but 15 years ago, doing reshoots was a big enough deal that shows like Entertainment Tonight were reporting on it.

[TattleTeeny]

Abi getting her bitchface on early! I once visited PG's JEWELRY website once and her stuff is expensive. No way would PG be remotely be interested in Abi's cheap Forever21 crap. I would not be surprised if Abi set this up herself.

 

I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Abi herself had grabbed the wrong bag and tossed her bracelet in.

[ghoulina]

I don't know whether someone said it already but how about the possibility Abi put her bracelet to PG's bag only to create drama, take the heat off her and kind get the game started? It kinda makes sense cause it's very strange that she just out of the blue grabbed a bag, looked in it and there it was her bracelet (according to her story). Or maybe she wanted to show she changed cause she didn't accuse PG but "gave her the benefit of the doubt".

 

Yea, I posted this theory several pages ago, because it was honestly the first thing that popped into my mind. Abi is just cuckoo and I wouldn't put it past her to try and make someone else out to be "the drama girl" this year. 

 

I think Varner showed his hand a little too much at tribal. He didn't have to tell everyone that he was going to play so hard. Although I guess they were about to find out a few minutes later anyway.

 

I agree with you. I wish people would be a bit more cagey about their gameplay when at tribal. Sometimes they make stuff so obvious!

[ToastnBacon]

I hope they all get voted off one by one. 

 

I have been laughing at this non-stop for about 30 minutes.

[RedheadZombie]

I think they let them get dangerously dehydrated in seasons after 2, unless they slipped them water we didn't see. In Africa, one poor tribe had to hike to a few-inch deep mud bog full of elephant shit and try to filter it and boil it, and it was 100 degree temps.

Remember when they had to get their water source by canoe? After they carelessly lost their canoe, they had to swim while hauling their water jug. I can't believe no one drowned.

[Nutjob]

I'm glad Abi wasn't voted out so I can see some more "mistakes". I was laughing during the Vytas yoga session, he really seemed to think all the women would be impressed otherwise why all those moves that emphasized his junk and butt. Except for all the Joe adoration this was a pretty enjoyable episode.

I can't help but think that Vytas might still be around if he had worn less... aggressive... shorts.

[himela]

In his interview Vytas said he was shocked from how the producers emphasised on his yoga obsession and freaking out people to justify his being voted out. He said that these things happened indeed but they were not such a big deal as they presented them.

Abi is a weak player in challenges so for this point of the game I am surprised they kept her, them needing a strong tribe to win challenges. I just can't believe Vutas being voted off being a long term thoughtful decision. I think it was just emotional.

[SlackerInc]

I think most women (and men) don't find male genitals attractive.

 

I am a hetero man and I agree, but to be fair I think the same is true of female genitals.  With women as well, it's the rest of the body that attracts (or does not, depending on the body).

[ghoulina]

Abi is a weak player in challenges so for this point of the game I am surprised they kept her, them needing a strong tribe to win challenges. I just can't believe Vutas being voted off being a long term thoughtful decision. I think it was just emotional.

 

I agree with you. I almost always think it's a mistake to vote off stronger competitors this early in the game, when you're still participating in team challenges. If you keep it up, your tribe is going to get decimated and few of you will even make it to merge. Sometimes it's worth it, but I'm not sure that's the case this time. 

Edited September 30, 2015 by ghoulina