S01.E08: A New Beginning

[freeradical]

Me too! I was sitting there so excited to see him perform and we barely saw 2 seconds. He is such a stand up guy. One of those rare celebrities that has owned up to his past mistakes and turned out as a happy, healthy and all around good guy. Love him too!.

Boy George O'Dowd was convicted of imprisoning a male escort. He handcuffed him to a wall and beat him with a chain. Sentenced to 15 months in prison, was released after 5.

Definitely a stand up guy.

Sometimes we only see what we want to see.

Did he really have to hurt him?

What did Caitlyn do to elicit such hate again?

Edited September 14, 2015 by freeradical

[represent]

What got me irked the most was the conversation with Kris and that line about the transgender issue only being 20% of the reason for the break up. I get the feeling that deep down, Cait blames Kris for the fact that she didn't transition sooner. She's not taking responsibility for her own decisions (she says she does, but she really doesn't). And the worst was when she seemed irritated that the family is grieving for *Bruce*. She doesn't even seem to want to TRY and understand that her family needs time to wrap their minds around this change.

Caitlyn was and is just like every other member of the Kardashian/Jenner clan. I've never thought that she was any less selfish, delusional and narcissistic than the rest of them. Her behavior toward Kris in not at all unexpected, it just like her behavior and lack of understanding toward Brody's resentment. I think at the time she had the nerve to form the words that Brody should just get over it....

Caitlyn is an idiot at times, every time she says I can't believe in regards to the stories of the experiences of other transgender men and women it annoys the shit out of me. Living wealthy on a hill is no excuse. All wealthy people aren't this unaware and delusional when it comes to the realities of other human beings. Really, you can't believe that some of them had to turn to sex work or that they experience all sorts of violent attacks, really? What world are you looking down on from your ivory tower. Don't say you can't believe it, not in this world. Maybe you weren't aware of all the horrid details, but don't act like it's all unbelievable? There's a lot of shit I'm unaware of but none of it is unbelievable when I'm made aware of it, not in this day and age, please. I'm not part of the transgender community, but I live in the fucking world and have witnessed its evil, so no act of intolerance and hate should be unbelievable. So she just annoys me when she acts like she hasn't been in the land of the living. Kim acts the same way by the way, she's another one with her I can't believe statements....bullshit.

But again, I'm not surprised, that's the way Caitlyn acted. So like Kris said, it's just who she was and who she is.

That being said, I still think that she really wanted to remain in the marriage with Kris. She likes Kris, but she's also very jealous of Kris.

Anyway, you can never tell where anyone is truly coming from in this family, you just can't, one just knows that they all seem anything but genuine.

Last thing, I like Jen Boylan, the kids camp was wonderful to see and so was the transgender minister, that was really good.

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[Christi]

I agree about Kris treating Caitlyn badly, and used to be shocked when watching KUWTK. However, in the light of all this, Caitlyn has admitted to being a bitter, short fused asshole to her and the kids furing their last years. Scott D said he thought Caitlyn just hated him, until he saw that Caitlyn was that crappy to everyone. Also, I thi k it was Kendall who found her lipstick and thought she was cheating...so it sounds like off-camera Caitlyn was a complete asshole. If she was contracted to have to be on KUWTK, I probably would have acted the same way as Kris. Shes no peach...but it sounds like living with her was a nightmare

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[Christi]

Plus I think Cait is a self abdorbed bitch. She tried to appear interested in the real struggkes that others were having, but her face only truly lit up with emotion when she was talking about hair, makeup and clothes. On KUWTK I always thought Caitlyn was the sensible one in regards to superficial things...boy was I wrong

[iwasish]

I agree about Kris treating Caitlyn badly, and used to be shocked when watching KUWTK. However, in the light of all this, Caitlyn has admitted to being a bitter, short fused asshole to her and the kids furing their last years. Scott D said he thought Caitlyn just hated him, until he saw that Caitlyn was that crappy to everyone. Also, I think it was Kendall who found her lipstick and thought he was cheating...so it sounds like off-camera Caitlyn was a complete asshole. If she was contracted to have to be on KUWTK, I probably would have acted the same way as Kris. Shes no peach...but it soubds like living with her was a nightmare

I think each of them put up with the other ones less than finer points for as long as they needed to. Once they no longer had a need for what the other was supplying, all the petty irritations and aggravations started to fester. It happens in so many marriages and relationships. Kris just didn't want it to be made public because it ruined her carefully crafted mirage of a big happy family. How many times had she emphatically denied tabloid stories about her family that were obviously true? Khloe and Lamar? Kim and the Hump? She wanted Cait to slink away and keep the party line of everything is good and wonderful, we talk to Cait all the time, she's my best friend!! Cait should have spoken up years ago if she felt she was being treated unfairly on the show or in the marriage, but she has a passive aggressive personality.

[Muffyn]

That whole ceremony came across so fake. I think the lack of any family members there just made it stand out how fake it was. They might as well have said "this whole segment is just for the ending season finale." Amazing Grace, preaching how blessed they are to know Cait. Let's see how much Cait sees any of these people now that the show is done taping. 

It very much felt like the season ending parties for the Real Housewives shows.  There was nothing real feeling about this.  I applaud her wanting to celebrate steps in her change.  I have several friends who have gone through various levels of transition.  None have Cait's resources.  However we have had parties to celebrate name changes or established a new birthday based on a particular step in their process.  It felt like a cast catch up event.  

 

It also felt so odd adding the religious components to this ceremony.  From a show standpoint, I see trying to make the point to Christians that there are ministers and religious people that support transgender persons.  So it was more of the learning/PR portion of this show.  From a party/ceremony, it felt weird to me.  Maybe I'm too used to hearing Amazing Grace at funerals.  The thing that died here was my interest in continuing to watch this show.

 

I do hope this was a one and done.  As someone said above, they had enough material for a documentary, not enough for an 8 episode run.  

[Cosmocrush]

Yet Caitlyn could not afford the privileged lifestyle she has now - without the KUWTK empire that Kris built.  Financially, it was Caitlyn who cleaned up from the divorce.  She was hardly a victim - even though she likes to portray herself in that regards.

Maybe, but not according to the VF article, where Kris walked away with all her business deals remaining hers alone, including the KUWTK franchises.  Caitlyn' was wealthy before the marriage and got wealthier during the marriage but not necessarily from the show.  It's been reported she only received $35K per episode with KUWTK (Cait must not have an exec producer credit on those shows)  compared with the millions the show made for Kris and company.  I suspect Caitlyn probably invested her money very well. 

 

But I agree Cait's not a victim; she has several businesses that have added to her income substantially - the biggest being an aviation company.  I've heard reports that her net worth today is around $100 million but I have no idea where that figure comes from.  

 

Kris isn't hurt or offended because of a few words in a Vanity Fair article.  Kris, and Kim and Khloe, are offended because Cait is more famous right now than they are and getting more attention in the media and more positive attention and not spreading that positive attention to Kris

Bingo!

 

[ClareWalks]

Trying to find something positive to say about Caitlyn...she hired good decorators, I suppose! Those throw pillows, at least, were spectacular. The hairy chairs, not so much, but that couch with the throw pillows, A+ work.

[nexxie]

Kris is a good actress, but Cait was right to call her on the martyr act. Kris married Caitlyn knowing of her gender confusion, seeing the breasts she had already acquired. She saw a potential money-machine in Caitlyn Jenner and built the Kardashian empire on the Olympian's foundation. True, she went along with it - as Cait now says, it was a distraction from the gender issues - but Kris is an opportunist through and through.

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[CousinAmy]

Kris is a good actress, but Cait was right to call her on the martyr act. Kris married Caitlyn knowing of her gender confusion, seeing the breasts she had already acquired. She saw a potential money-machine in Caitlyn Jenner and built the Kardashian empire on the Olympian's foundation. True, she went along with it - as Cait now says, it was a distraction from the gender issues - but Kris is an opportunist through and through.

I could believe this - that she married Caitlyn as a money machine - if they hadn't had two children together. Surely there must have been some love, or even just mutual affection between them, or did Kris just give birth to Kendall and Kylie to be future money-makers too?

Also, forgive my ignorance of biochemistry, but if Caitlyn was taking female hormones before the marriage, how did she father children? I thought that the hormones would have prevented that.

[RemoteControlFreak]

What Graduation? Kylie got her diploma from a diploma mill.

That got my attention as well, so I looked up what the event really was.

 

Kyle and Kendall both got their "diplomas" from an online "school" that charges a lot of money for a piece of paper that may or may not be the equivalent of a real high school diploma.

 

Anyway, this was a party thrown by Ryan Seacrest and Kris Jenner to celebrate the so-called accomplishment.  It was not a graduation ceremony.

[iwasish]

I could believe this - that she married Caitlyn as a money machine - if they hadn't had two children together. Surely there must have been some love, or even just mutual affection between them, or did Kris just give birth to Kendall and Kylie to be future money-makers too? 

 

Also, forgive my ignorance of biochemistry, but if Caitlyn was taking female hormones before the marriage, how did she father children? I thought that the hormones would have prevented that.

She had the kids for Caitlyn's sake, she dumped the other 4 because it was too much hassle dealing with their moms, Caitlyn did all the heavy lifting in taking care of them right from the start. Kris was no spring chicken when they were born. As Caitlyn said, the kids, ( the 4 Kardashians  and Jenner babies) were a distraction, kept her busy and focused on something other than her gender issues.  I think there was a lot of affection between Kris and Cait, I'm guessing she threw herself into the marriage and childrearing the same way she devoted herself to the Olympics, very single mindedly. It kept her issues at bay.

[Artsda]

 

Kyle and Kendall both got their "diplomas" from an online "school" that charges a lot of money for a piece of paper that may or may not be the equivalent of a real high school diploma.

 

It's an accredited private prep school, it's beyond equivalent.  It even won a UN award. Elijah Wood went there. Dylan and Cole Sprouse both graduated from Laurel Spring then went onto NYU. 

 

The school is popular among  child stars and celeb parents. Who are always traveling and taking their kids out of the area.

Edited September 14, 2015 by Artsda

[nexxie]

I could believe this - that she married Caitlyn as a money machine - if they hadn't had two children together. Surely there must have been some love, or even just mutual affection between them, or did Kris just give birth to Kendall and Kylie to be future money-makers too?

Maybe Kris knew that permanent ties come through children. Or more kids meant more mirrors for her. Or Caitlyn wanted them. Who knows? But Kris is very calculating, that much is clear.

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[Adiba]

Watching this episode, I felt a little for both Kris and Caitlyn. I was not a regular viewer of kuwtk, so I didn't see much of their marriage on that show. I do know that Kris has the reputation for being the money- hungry Bitch Queen of all Famewhoredom, but I had a twinge of sympathy for her. Caitlyn didn't seem to get the way she comes across to others.

I mean--good or bad--a 25- year marriage, two children together plus step- children is nothing to sneeze at. Divorce is hard in any instance, and adding a gender transition into the mix just makes it even more difficult. The whole situation is kind of like a death.

On the other hand I thought Caitlyn was genuinely hurt about the graduation and the lack of phone calls-- although it was hard to read her facial expressions. Even though it can be argued that neither one had legitimate reasons for their grievances, I thought that the feelings expressed were real. Maybe I'm naive.

[RemoteControlFreak]

She had the kids for Caitlyn's sake, she dumped the other 4 because it was too much hassle dealing with their moms, Caitlyn did all the heavy lifting in taking care of them right from the start. Kris was no spring chicken when they were born. As Caitlyn said, the kids, ( the 4 Kardashians  and Jenner babies) were a distraction, kept her busy and focused on something other than her gender issues.  I think there was a lot of affection between Kris and Cait, I'm guessing she threw herself into the marriage and childrearing the same way she devoted herself to the Olympics, very single mindedly. It kept her issues at bay.

I don't think that's exactly right.

 

Neither parent seems to have done any "heavy lifting" in caring for Kendall and Kylie.  Caitlyn makes a big point of the fact that she drove them to school (until they dropped out to finish school online). Caitlyn never says she did anything else.  There were nannies for the rest or the kids were left on their own to do what they wanted, like drop out of school and date grown men while they were only 16.

 

Also, Kris was around 40 when the girls were born.  This is not ancient.  She was certainly completely capable physically of taking care of children.

Edited September 14, 2015 by remotecontrolfreak

[RemoteControlFreak]

It's an accredited private prep school, it's beyond equivalent.  It even won a UN award. Elijah Wood went there. Dylan and Cole Sprouse both graduated from Laurel Spring then went onto NYU. 

 

The school is popular among  child stars and celeb parents. Who are always traveling and taking their kids out of the area.

So to be fair, it's an online school and one can get what one wants out of it.  The designation of "college prep" means nothing. Any school can call itself a "college prep" school. The school is accredited to hand out high school diplomas in the state of California. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

Be assured that neither Jenner girl is going to NYU or probably to any other college.

 

Also, the UN award had nothing to do with pedagogy or academic quality.  The school won the award because the students made a video about saving the environment. Ref: http://www.global500.org/index.php/thelaureates/online-directory/item/18-laurel-springs-school

Edited September 14, 2015 by remotecontrolfreak

[bagatelle]

 It's been reported she only received $35K per episode with KUWTK (Cait must not have an exec producer credit on those shows)  compared with the millions the show made for Kris and company.  I suspect Caitlyn probably invested her money very well. 

 

$35K per episode to meander into the kitchen and out again, fly private to one of the E paid for vacations, or sit on the couch surfing the net.  Not bad, not bad at all.

[AnnieGirl]

Did he really have to hurt him?

Touché :)

[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode!

 

Dance Like You're Not On TV, Sing Like Boy George Isn't Standing Behind You / A review of all the times Cait was wrong, a Jenner selfie, and more on the season finale of I Am Cait.

[whoknowswho]

I give this series "props" for quite a few things - for educating me on transgender issues and some of the women who told their stories along with Caitlyn who I find inspiring and brave.

Mainly I am happy to have seen this series because it introduced me to Jennifer Boylan, who I find to be the true star of the show and the voice of reason in general. I started reading her first book because of this show, and find her such an amazing and compassionate person. She is the person that I learned the most from and continue to do so thru her writing. I know she has been accused of pandering to Caitlyn, but if that is the case, I can overlook it for the greater good of her good sense in general.

Caitlyn? Well, while I applaud her courage and am very happy for her becoming her "authentic self" - I went from thinking she was a nice, kind of dim person (I didn't watch the Kardashian show, so had no prior knowledge of her personality) - to thinking she is a pretty selfish, narcissistic kind of individual. As much as I wanted to like her, I couldn't manage it by the end of the series. She is just too remote and self involved to be in any way relatable to me I'm afraid. I think the worst moment for me was when she was whining about her mother breaking her hip and possibly not being able to be at the ESPY's - no concern for her elderly mother was shown at all.

Anyway, in general I learned a fair amount from the show, and I guess that it really doesn't matter if I like or dislike Caitlyn Jenner.

I could have cheerfully throttled her when she was whining about her mom breaking a hip! OMG who does that? A narcissist does, and while I'm not a psychologist I recognize many disorders.

I have never watched the Kardashian show, not one minute of it so I came in with no baggage. I also stopped watched the last episode 1/2 way through when Candis and Cait were discussing a name change ceremony. I'm just so over it, I couldn't watch anymore. I went from thinking she was brave and strong at the beginning to thinking she is a selfish, whiny narcissist who thinks of no one but herself. I don't know much about Caitlyn Jenner except for her Olympic wins, but I certainly do not like this new self. Won't watch if they renew- I keep thinking- you KILLED someone- and you're worried about a fake ceremony to make yourself feel better? Jebus...cripes.

(edited to further fix pronoun and proper name gaffs.)

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[freeradical]

Touché :)

I really didn't mean to single you out, there were several posts about B.G. I thought your post was good. I don't care about the heroin or coke Boy G. has been known for but I also don't think many people know about the false imprisonment conviction. You know, whatever, he didn't do it to me! (bad joke) I just can't reconcile the Cait Hate with the Boy George love. But, I was excited to see him too! :-)

Turns out he's not a "man without conviction" sorry, had to!

Edited September 15, 2015 by freeradical

[lizzy07]

 

I just can't reconcile the Cait Hate with the Boy George love.

 

If Boy George had his own reality show, we would probably grow to hate him, too. So here's hoping he doesn't get one.

 

[Ottis]

Mainly I am happy to have seen this series because it introduced me to Jennifer Boylan, who I find to be the true star of the show and the voice of reason in general. I started reading her first book because of this show, and find her such an amazing and compassionate person.

Ditto. I bought and read "She's Not There" because someone mentioned JBo and that book on these boards. I am a better person because of it, even if I find myself staring at the trans people on the show and struggling with processing what I see with who they are authentically. I don't mean it perjoratively. It's just a new visual for me.

Caitlyn? Well, while I applaud her courage and am very happy for her becoming her "authentic self" - I went from thinking she was a nice, kind of dim person (I didn't watch the Kardashian show, so had no prior knowledge of her personality) - to thinking she is a pretty selfish, narcissistic kind of individual.

I have seen maybe 5-8 eps of the Kardashians over the years. Initially, Caitlyn as *Bruce Jenner* came across to me as a guy along for the ride, not unlike Ozzy Osbourne on his show, puttering from one thing to another, benefiting from his wife's shrewd business acumen. The last couple of times I watched, Caitlyn as *Bruce* seemed almost angry, and combative, with Kris in particular and *his* family in general. Now, watching a few eps of Cait, I wonder who Cait really is. The TV show won't tell us, not with all the agendas it pushes. Is Cait angry and combative? Or was Caitlyn as *Bruce* that way because she needed to become Cait? Is Cait unleased free to be the self-centered person she always wanted to be if she just didn't have all those damn Kardashian's around? I have no idea.

Won't watch if they renew- I keep thinking- you KILLED someone- and you're worried about a fake ceremony to make yourself feel better? Jebus...cripes.

At first I thought you meant that Cait killed *Bruce* Jenner. But I think you are referring to the car accident Caitlyn had. Either could apply I suppose. This is one thing I struggle with, that a transgender person says "I'm still me" and yet the preference is that the previous identity and name is gone.

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[hatchetgirl]

I'm just so confused. Caitlyn brought Kris back financially? So Cait's to blame for these horrible people?

[HumblePi]

I could believe this - that she married Caitlyn as a money machine - if they hadn't had two children together. Surely there must have been some love, or even just mutual affection between them, or did Kris just give birth to Kendall and Kylie to be future money-makers too?

Also, forgive my ignorance of biochemistry, but if Caitlyn was taking female hormones before the marriage, how did she father children? I thought that the hormones would have prevented that.

I think you'll find most of the answers to any questions you might have about feminizing HRT for male-to-female in this article;

http://micheleomara.com/services/transgender/feminizing-hrt-for-male-to-females/

[HumblePi]

All I could think was, I'm sure glad I didn't have to sit in the hot sun all afternoon, just to film a name change ceremony. Boy, that looked unpleasant, with the sun beating down on everyone's head.

 

Did you notice that Cait didn't disagree when Kris asked if Cait was dating Candis.  As if.

 

Love Boy George, but we barely saw him. I wish we could have watched him sing the whole song.

Candis forgot the last line to the song Amazing Grace and went into a humming of the tune instead of the words. When Caityn stood up and took her place next to the Minister for her renaming, she instinctively began to cross her arms in front of her chest and caught herself quickly then lowered them to her side. Feminization surgery may have given Caitlyn new physical features but some lifelong traits or habits are more difficult to alter. I don't think that Caitlyn has any desire for sex since she's been taking HRT for feminization which may decrease sexual responsiveness. When she answers questions related to her sexuality she'll say "I don't k-n-o-w-w-w"  And I think she's honest about this, she really doesn't know because her libido may have been diminished with hormone replacement therapy.

Edited September 15, 2015 by HumblePi

[Cosmocrush]

I'm just so confused. Caitlyn brought Kris back financially? So Cait's to blame for these horrible people?

If by "horrible people" you mean the Kardashians, I've always blamed Ryan Seacrest, lol.   He and Kris got together to produce KUWTK all those years ago.  Kris has always been the business manager of the family whether she was promoting her husband or daughters. 

 

Supposedly Kris was inspired by The Osbournes - a successful reality show on MTV in the early 2000s - which I watched by the way.  But no, Caitlyn never had a producer credit,  I think the hope was the name would help  but if I remember correctly  Cait was really only part of the show to the extent she lived in the same place.  

Edited September 16, 2015 by Cosmocrush

[hatchetgirl]

Curse you Ryan Seacrest!

[whoknowswho]

Ditto. I bought and read "She's Not There" because someone mentioned JBo and that book on these boards. I am a better person because of it, even if I find myself staring at the trans people on the show and struggling with processing what I see with who they are authentically. I don't mean it perjoratively. It's just a new visual for me.

I have seen maybe 5-8 eps of the Kardashians over the years. Initially, Caitlyn as *Bruce Jenner* came across to me as a guy along for the ride, not unlike Ozzy Osbourne on his show, puttering from one thing to another, benefiting from his wife's shrewd business acumen. The last couple of times I watched, Caitlyn as *Bruce* seemed almost angry, and combative, with Kris in particular and *his* family in general. Now, watching a few eps of Cait, I wonder who Cait really is. The TV show won't tell us, not with all the agendas it pushes. Is Cait angry and combative? Or was Caitlyn as *Bruce* that way because she needed to become Cait? Is Cait unleased free to be the self-centered person she always wanted to be if she just didn't have all those damn Kardashian's around? I have no idea.

At first I thought you meant that Cait killed *Bruce* Jenner. But I think you are referring to the car accident Caitlyn had. Either could apply I suppose. This is one thing I struggle with, that a transgender person says "I'm still me" and yet the preference is that the previous identity and name is gone.

Well, you know- I hadn't thought of it other than the lady she hit and killed with her car. But to her family, her children- isn't it kind of a death, too?  She can't become Mom now- Kris is Mom. (To some of the kids) I tried but from my frame of reference I cannot possibly understand how this would feel to your children.

Gay, straight, transgender, cisgender- a jerk is a jerk, and Caitlyn comes off in this series as a self absorbed, pampered, coiffed and manicured, privileged jerk. 

I'd love to cheer for her, I honestly would, but Caitlyn is her own worst enemy.  If this is her authentic self- well, she's still a jerk. 

Edited September 16, 2015 by whoknowswho

[bichonblitz]

Candis forgot the last line to the song Amazing Grace and went into a humming of the tune instead of the words. 

 

 

I noticed that! Too funny. She was awful. 

 When Caityn stood up and took her place next to the Minister for her renaming, she instinctively began to cross her arms in front of her chest and caught herself quickly then lowered them to her side. Feminization surgery may have given Caitlyn new physical features but some lifelong traits or habits are more difficult to alter. 

She is not feminine at all. At the age of 65, I doubt that is going to change with or without surgery, makeup and designer clothes. 

[freeradical]

I'm just so confused. Caitlyn brought Kris back financially? So Cait's to blame for these horrible people?

When Caitlyn married Kris the K clan weren't doing so great financially. She sold most all her stuff basically. She had planes, helicopters, expensive cars and a house among other things. My stepdad did that when he joined our family. I think it's just what anyone would do.

Robert Kardashian married his girlfriend on his deathbed without a prenuptial so.....yeah.

I believe firmly that Kris was the only horrible person at that time. The kids were just kids. KUWTK is what turned Kim and Kloe into horrible people, I think Rob and Kourtney are just people.

Edited September 16, 2015 by freeradical

[iwasish]

From stories they tell Kim was pretty much self absorbed wanna be famous at any cost from early on, and Kourtney was stoic and serious. I don't think they've changed the basic traits, Kim seems to have changed the most for the worse.

Khloe does seemed to have changed recently, since the Lamar thing, and not in a good way.

Edited September 16, 2015 by iwasish

[princelina]

I had originally thought that she forgot the last line and went into humming, but then during the hum the show did some kind of sentimental flashbacking, followed by Candis finishing the song.  So then I thought it was just production telling her what to do so they could set it up that way.

 

Did the Gay Men's Chorus come all that way just to hum along with Candis and give Boy George a couple of du wops?

[iwasish]

I had originally thought that she forgot the last line and went into humming, but then during the hum the show did some kind of sentimental flashbacking, followed by Candis finishing the song. So then I thought it was just production telling her what to do so they could set it up that way.

Did the Gay Men's Chorus come all that way just to hum along with Candis and give Boy George a couple of du wops?

Probably not but the rest must be on the cutting room floor.

[Veruca Salt]

From a marketing perspective, I Am Cait did indeed raise awareness for the transgender community as a whole. Whatever one's personal feelings are, the conversation is happening and we were introduced to some wonderful people who have put a face on the term, rather than a collective stereotype. We were introduced to transgender people who seem to be pretty cool human beings. 

 

As for Cait Jenner herself, this was a marketing fail. After the Vanity Fair cover and Diane Sawyer interview, she had a lot of public support. I cannot believe how quickly the tide has turned against her personally. Being Cait was the executive producer, it is baffling to me that she would allow herself to be portrayed as vapid and insensitive as she has. What's more disturbing is if she doesn't see it that way and thinks that it was a positive portrayal. I was one who empathized and was cheering her on in the beginning, although, like her sons, I was apprehensive at this being produced by E! All the editing in the world could not contradict what the audience saw with its own eyes, namely the dismissive treatment of her friend (Rhonda), her mother (with a broken hip) and her children. I could not reconcile the crocodile tears that she shed for her new community while wholly dismissing her family - including her elderly mother and 10 children - and demanding instantaneous acceptance and adulation. 

 

Cait's sons were right about the overexposure and the choice of production team. I think a second season will be a big mistake. She needs to slow down, and maybe work with the community behind the scenes a la Chaz Bono to gain a better understanding if she is going to be the self-appointed spokesperson. Walk before you run, Cait. 

[millennium]

Being Cait was the executive producer, it is baffling to me that she would allow herself to be portrayed as vapid and insensitive as she has. What's more disturbing is if she doesn't see it that way and thinks that it was a positive portrayal.

 

Ever watch American Idol?   The auditions phase?  All those people who think they're great singers?

 

When you believe your own myth, it's the world that's wrong, not you.  

 

I laugh when I hear people say "she needs time to learn, time to grow."   I believe the cocky, arrogant person I saw in the Matt Lauer interview has no intention of doing either.   She'll serve up sound bytes, make gestures and do whatever else constitutes the minimum to retain her title as "transgender activist" -- and that only as long as it keeps her face on TV.   To be honest, I haven't seen anything that convinces me she believes in anyone's rights, welfare or feelings but her own

[Veruca Salt]

 

To be honest, I haven't seen anything that convinces me she believes in anyone's rights, welfare or feelings but her own.

 

That was the running theme throughout the series -- examples abound of this very thing. Disappointing because I wanted to like this. You can't fake genuine. 

[BostonBlonde]

Boy George O'Dowd was convicted of imprisoning a male escort. He handcuffed him to a wall and beat him with a chain. Sentenced to 15 months in prison, was released after 5.

Definitely a stand up guy.

Yep. Just another DB celeb whose criminal activity is brushed under the rug yet still adored. No thanks.

[SmithW6079]

Boy George O'Dowd was convicted of imprisoning a male escort. He handcuffed him to a wall and beat him with a chain. Sentenced to 15 months in prison, was released after 5.

Definitely a stand up guy.

Sometimes we only see what we want to see.

Did he really have to hurt him?

Did he really have to make him cry?

What did Caitlyn do to elicit such hate again?

Before transitioning, she was a rich white Republican.. After transitioning, she is a rich white Republican. Social justice warriors need no other justification. Edited September 21, 2015 by 17wheatthins
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[SnarkKitty]

Or, you know, it could be a shallow, vapid, rude, selfish, self-absorbed personality that engenders such strong feelings of dislike. Toss "terrible parent" in there too.

 

White, rich or Republican? Doesn't even enter into the equation. (I don't think I've heard anybody use the word "hate" at all.)

[Taylorh2]

What Graduation? Kylie got her diploma from a diploma mill.

Isn't having your name changed, a legal matter? You fill out a petition and go to court. No minister has authority to approve a name change. This was a fluff ceremony to convince the world how looooovvved Caitlyn is.

 

 

Same for wedding ceremonies. What the official marrying you does is fluff for the family. If you don't go down to the courthouse and fill out all the legal paper, you're not legally married.

Edited September 22, 2015 by Taylorh2

[HumblePi]

I've just watched an episode of KUWTK from the year 2008. Wow, just wow. I never realized just how shallow, egotistical and narcissistic they all are, not just Caitlyn. It's like a plague of 'narcissiticites' (word?) from the planet LoveMyself had come down and put the plague in Calabasas or wherever the heck they were living in 2008.

Kourtney and Khloe accompany pre-transition Caitlyn to a motivational speech for BMW sales execs. I watched curious as to exactly how the speech would go and how motivational it would actually be. I've been to quite a few sales conferences myself and sat through many motivational speeches. Caitlyn (pre-transition) arrived in a white BMW convertible right through the side door and into the convention room and this is how it began.....

'I got my four keys to success. Gamble, cheat, lie and steal."

That single line was motivation enough for me to change the channel.

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[iwasish]

I've just watched an episode of KUWTK from the year 2008. Wow, just wow. I never realized just how shallow, egotistical and narcissistic they all are, not just Caitlyn. It's like a plague of 'narcissiticites' (word?) from the planet LoveMyself had come down and put the plague in Calabasas or wherever the heck they were living in 2008.

 

Kourtney and Khloe accompany Bruce to a motivational speech for BMW sales execs. I watched curious as to exactly how the speech would go and how motivational it would actually be. I've been to quite a few sales conferences myself and sat through many motivational speeches. Bruce arrived in a white BMW convertible right through the side door and into the convention room and this is how it began.....

 

'I got my four keys to success. Gamble, cheat, lie and steal."

 

That single line was motivation enough for me to change the channel.

You should have watched! Kourtney and Khloe acted like fools and Caitlyn sounded just like she does when she rallies the "girls" together for a road trip and plans how to get Blossom on to Ellen and into Nursing school... all perfect motivational sound bites, catch phrases and BS.

[Dahlia]

I'm amazed those four keys are so celebrated. Add in the greed and i have to wonder where shame went? When did our 'culture' turn so upside down. It's chilling

[bourbon]

 

Kris was trying to be real about the experience of losing her husband to a gender transition, and Cait couldn't listen to it at all.

The worst when was in Cait's talking head segment where she said, completely without irony, "I thought my happiness would be their happiness." Really? As if all she had to do would be announce she was transitioning and everyone in her family would be thrilled for her? Naive at best, unbelievably self-centered and narcissistic at worst. And I *loathe* the entire Kardashian Klan, but this was awful. If nothing else, this show has made me feel sorry for Kris. Thanks, Cait?

 

 

Then Kris said "let's take a selfie," and I wanted to shoot my television with a 12-gauge slug.

 

 Y'know, this just made me feel sad and shake my head. I think the poor woman just doesn't know how to live if it isn't in social media. I think she was genuinely upset and let down by Cait's behavior, and the selfie was just her weird act of self-affirmation and comfort. If I'm putting it up on Twitter for all my followers to see how we're getting along, then my life can't really be all that bad, can it?

[SnarkKitty]

Not all that sure it was sarcasm, TBH. Point being, it's never a good idea to lump everyone's reasons for not liking someone into kneejerk (fill in the blank.)  It assumes people can't form their own ideas.