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That last scene with Elliott and Krista, dude just laid it bare.

.Damn...

 

Rami Malek has absolutely been nailing the landing these last two weeks during the closing scenes.

 

I did laugh when Elliot told her that "You love porn.  Especially anal."

 

Angela's plotline is strong.

 

Nice to see how Elliot and Shayla met.

 

Mr. Robot talks to two people without Elliot around...interesting.

 

While I enjoyed him firing those three jackasses, I have no idea what the hell Tyrell is doing.  Started off as a good villain but is now a dangerously stupid trainwreck. 

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WTF is up with Tyrell? I've been trained to expect an awkward, creepy weirdness from him that's somewhat funny and then he goes and straight up murders the CTO's wife? I was so confused. I kept wondering if it was part of the plan. But then it really looked like he was genuinely freaking out, which was kind of funny-- not as funny as how he abruptly fired those three guys earlier.

 

Agree that Rami Malek is amazing. He's what drew me to the series in the first place.

 

I'm so suspicious of Mr. Robot that whenever I see him, I just think oh, that's Elliot in his Mr. Robot skin. I won't acknowledge him as a real person unless someone actually calls him out by name and there's a scene with Mr. Robot, Elliot, and one other person where they all talk and they all acknowledge each other's presence. Aack, this show is making me paranoid now.

 

After hearing what Colby said to Angela, I hope somebody kicks him in the balls soon.

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I think the show has lost the plot.  Or maybe it's me that's lost the plot.  Mr. Robot interacting directly in the absence of Elliot.  If that was supposed to be Elliot in Mr. Robot mode, then it's the first time ever we've been shown this.  Up to know, they've scrupulously avoided any interaction between Mr. Robot and anyone.

 

Tyrell has gone from loopy to completely off the rails.  I mean, he just up and killed the woman like that?  And it's like he didn't even know he was doing it until it was done?  It should be a slam-dunk for the cops.  The murder took place on the roof of a high-security building.  It's not like they'll think it was just some mugger done it.  The back stairs cameras may be out, but there will be footage from elsewhere which will help the process of elimination.  And there will be forensic clues, too.

 

I'm not sure what Angela hopes to achieve.  The conviction of the executives who covered up the pollution of her home town?  Some sort of financial settlement from them?  It's 17 years ago.  Isn't it a little late to be pursuing any sort of remedy in the court?  (I know little or nothing about this, so I don't know what is reasonable and what is not.)  She should have taken a tiny collar and leash to the final meeting, and insisted Colby strap it snugly around his hairy balls for the entire duration of the meeting.

 

Elliot's monologue to Krista was like a blast from a bazooka.  It left her shaken and speechless.  Earlier, he rid himself of any statutory requirement to consult her.  Now, he's returned of his own accord.  But was it wise -- far less necessary -- for him to blurt out so much damning information, just like that?  I mean, it can't do much good to his relationship with his therapist, can it?  I mean someone revealing that much detailed personal information is going to come across as threatening, right?

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Yeah what kind of an evil mastermind loses it like that? What was the plan, he was going to rock her world so much that she'd leave the CTO and he'd crumble and lose the job so boy wonder penis would slide right in?

Maybe they should have tried their mojo on like the CEO, who makes the hiring decisions. Even if he didn't kill her, how is fucking the wife of a rival going to advance his career?

As for Elliot, him mooning over Shayla when they met doesn't fit with her first appearance on the show when she was more of an annoyance to him. He hooked up with her because she gave him some free drugs and then in the morning, yelled at her to get out.

So he's asking the therapist for help for his loneliness by telling her how much he's violated her privacy?

Both these guys may need some lessons on how to win friends and influence people.

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WTF is up with Tyrell? I've been trained to expect an awkward, creepy weirdness from him that's somewhat funny and then he goes and straight up murders the CTO's wife? I was so confused. I kept wondering if it was part of the plan. But then it really looked like he was genuinely freaking out, which was kind of funny-- not as funny as how he abruptly fired those three guys earlier.

 

I kind of felt like I got him in the firing scene. Found myself saying his lines before he did. I'm not sure what to think about the murder scene, though. That can't have been his plan. But what was? If he just leaves her there, I wonder how long a body can sit on the roof of an office building without being discovered. 

 

This episode is the first time I entertained the idea that Mr. Robot may be an actual person. Maybe. If so, he's a psychopath. If not, Elliot's really unhinged.

 

 

As for Elliot, him mooning over Shayla when they met doesn't fit with her first appearance on the show when she was more of an annoyance to him.

It doesn't seem to fit with the pilot, does it? I guess Elliot's an unreliable narrator here. I don't think this is how it happened, I think this is how he remembers it now. 

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It doesn't seem to fit with the pilot, does it? I guess Elliot's an unreliable narrator here. I don't think this is how it happened, I think this is how he remembers it now. 

 

This is a good point. I've become a bit twitchy of late about the term 'unreliable narrator' because I find it applied rather too loosely to a character in another show (to mean, "I want this character to feel differently, so I'll call her unreliable.").  But Elliot is the prototypical unreliable narrator; it's baked into the character.  So, yeah, your reasoning makes sense. Between that and the usual 'pilot vs. following episodes' discontinuity that's part and parcel of tv production, I'm willing to give the disconnect a pass.

 

re: throwing Ms Knowles off the roof.  I only know from watching too many crime-riddled movies and shows, but she should have abrasions from the strangulation.

 

Tyrell Wellick is disappointing me.  I thought last week he seemed like a petulant child, and I liked how the direction (shot selection) heightened that read of him. But it was subtle. This episode, though, he seemed like a cartoon character (not unlike his egg roll masticating wife last week).  How did he get so far up the corporate ladder? Is this really the first time in his life he's been frustrated and humiliated?

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I give up on this show.  Nothing happens.  No story.  No progress.   I really get off on watch a drug user laying on a bed while coming off.   This lame ass group of hackers has not done anything except get themselves banned by other hackers.   Churn, churn, churn every episode.

 

But hacking is cool and bad ass.  We gotta stick to da man.  We be da revolution.  Oh, I need to score another pound of heroin, but it is ok since I also take this other drug to counteract the effects.  Oops, outta sh*t, time to sweat and puke.   Elliot gets his neighbor killed, why?  Drugs.   Elliot is so sad.  Oh boy, this be a fun show.

 

Come on now, is there any character in this show that is even moderately likable?  

 

Evil Corp seems less evil to me than the producers of this garbage pile.

 

What is the point of Mr. Robot?   This is yet another star in USA Network's crap show galaxy.   USA used to provide some level of entertainment, but the past decade has been nothing but endless reruns of JAG, Law and Order and crap.

 

I GIVE UP.


Oh, excuse my rants.   Sorry,I missed something.  There are two likable characters in this fester pile.  The fish and the dog.

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I think they try too hard with Tyrell too.  The bit a few weeks ago where he'd beat up a homeless guy when he got angry reeked of a deperate attempt to the show to loudly "See?  We're EDGY!"

 

Though I do appreciate how feel boundries this show has in terms of language and content.

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To me, the cold open was a schmoopy memory from an unreliable narrator—not a flashback. Shayla playing "Pictures of You" by the Cure on her phone whilst they chill on the stoop?! (Before she jets for drinks with the girls, no less.)

Thanks to you guys, all I could see when Gideon gave Elliot relationship advice was Mr. Keaton talking to Alex P.: "I'm so sorry she was taken away, Elliot, but don't let her death close you off entirely. Find someone you can be your honest self with, okay?" Then Mr. Keaton lectures Mallory about all he does to take care of his employees [family], and she tells him what a good boss [dad] he is.

I was confused by Mr. Robot alone with Darlene—especially because he was supposedly "reading" a really long quote from the front page of a tabloid newspaper (like the New York Post or Daily News). But then he said, "Look at my face, Romero. You and I both know I'm crazy. Not the cute kind, either. I'm talking crazy crazy!" and broke stuff to prove it.

Oh, Elliot, you are the cute kind of crazy.

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Can someone explain to me what Angela's plan is? Because I'm completely lost.

 

 

So am I. I found this episode a little boring, except for Elliott's scenes. I also found Tyrell and Sharon's scenes a little underacted and cliche.

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Yeah what kind of an evil mastermind loses it like that? What was the plan, he was going to rock her world so much that she'd leave the CTO and he'd crumble and lose the job so boy wonder penis would slide right in?

Maybe they should have tried their mojo on like the CEO, who makes the hiring decisions. Even if he didn't kill her, how is fucking the wife of a rival going to advance his career?

As for Elliot, him mooning over Shayla when they met doesn't fit with her first appearance on the show when she was more of an annoyance to him. He hooked up with her because she gave him some free drugs and then in the morning, yelled at her to get out.

 

I'm lost too with what the Swedish couple's plan was.  Clearly blackmail was out of the question.  The wife clearly had no compunction telling her husband about strange semi-sexual situations she was in - why would actual sex be any different?

 

The first encounter with Shayla, what I picked up was that it was Elliott's need for the special drug that pushed her into meeting up with the psychopathic drug dealer.  So, he truly was the reason she died.

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I thought the way Elliot was remembering his first meeting with Shayla was kind of touching, even if not real.  And was probably the reason he decided to open up later to Krista.  That was a lot for her to take in.  Not sure where they go from here.

 

I've always found the Tyrrel plot the least interesting in this show and it continues to be something I don't care about.  I thought he was trying to have rough sex with her (because he thought she'd like It?) and he went too far.  Otherwise I don't understand his reaction afterwards.  It was like he didn't mean to kill her.  But as I said, I don't really care.

 

I am so distracted by Angela's fake eyelashes that I have a hard time concentrating on what her plan really is.  What is it?  She just wants to get someone to admit that they killed her mother?

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(Angela) just wants to get someone to admit that they killed her mother?

 

 

That's all I've got, but there must be more to it, right? She can't really be planning to torpedo her own career, destroy AllSafe and Gideon, and leave her co-workers unemployed just for that?

 

I really wish they'd killed off Angela and left us Shayla. She was much better acted and more interesting to me.

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Angela wants Evil Corp to admit that they intentionally and knowingly poisoned all those people, including her mother. Colby can prove that's true. I thought she needed that to happen so the class action suit could prevail and they'd get big damages, which would help her dad with his bills. Perhaps that's what she still wants, although if she were more pragmatic she'd write down a very big number and let Colby bribe her to exonerate him without his giving up E Corp's dirty secrets.

Meanwhile, she is obtaining his truthful testimony by perjuring herself about a faulty chain of custody on the information that framed him. This perjury will also ruin AllSafe and its good daddy CEO Gideon.

Mr. Robot takes on the perspective of the rigidly ideological Occupy sort of one per cent hater. Exposing how Evil Evil Corp. is, bringing corporate capitalism crashing down (as if) and remaining ideologically pure override any sensible real world considerations. That's the only rationale for the increasingly bizarre portrait of Wellick as the sort of monster that global capitalism breeds.

I'm pretty far left myself but not this extreme in my views. I'm not sure whether Esmail is 100% with fsociety or is giving us a cautionary tale about destructive idealism gone too far.

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The opening scene where "Elliot meets Shayla" was great.  My guess is that some of it might have been exaggerated due to Elliot not being a completely reliable narrator, but in general, that was how they really did meet in real life.  But the biggest takeaway I got was that it was that certain drug he wanted that set Shayla back into Viktor's world, so he really did put her in danger as soon as he met her, and that's just another reason he will feel guilt about this for a while.  Either way, I thought it was a good send-off.  Again, I hope Frankie Shaw at least gets some good offers from this stint, because she really was great.

 

I figured Gideon telling Elliot he needs someone to be completely truthful with, was going to come into play, but I certainly didn't expect it to end with Elliot just dumping almost everything on Krista.  I don't know what to make of this.  I mean, how can Krista actually treat him now or, hell, ever trust him, knowing that he knows everything about her, her patients, her family, and even what porn she's into.  I don't know if Elliot really wants her to help, or if he just did this to make a big scene.

 

Mr. Robot is trying to get the band back together, and see several scenes with him and someone else, and no Elliot in sight, so I have no idea what to think about him at this point.

 

The stuff with Angela is kind of confusing, but I think the general idea is that she is trying to convince Colby to turn on Evil Corp, in order to tell the truth about what they did to her mom, Elliot's dad, and the rest.  And now it sounds like the company she works for could become collateral damage, so she's feeling conflicted again.

 

Agree that I'm starting to think that the show doesn't know what they want to do with Tyrell anymore.  Instead of coming off like an intelligent adversary, he's coming off like an emotional, short-tempered dolt.  Maybe that's on purpose, but I'm having problems buying that he could make it this far, unless his wife is just really good at knocking sense into him.  But I thought for sure there was some big plan with Scott's wife, but instead, it looks like he just murdered her and didn't mean to.  Great.  Such a disappointment.

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My brain can only take so much so Angela's storyline is the one being jettisoned at the moment, I just can't care what she's doing while trying to figure out what everyone else is doing.

It was my impression that Tyrell's wife planned that murder and that's why she said 'Steady' to him at the party before he went off to the rooftop. And if this was a police procedure type show I would totally expects them to find Tyrell's dna in her mouth after all the saliva they exchanged. But it isn't, so I'm not at all sure where the murder plot line is going. Are they going to frame the husband? doen't seem like that would work since he's got a perfect alibi, maybe just use his grief to get him out of the job Tyrell wants?

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I fast forwarded through some things and cannot deal when they are speaking Swedish, Dutch, whatever. I agree, wouldn't there be a lot of forensic evidence on her clothes and on his?  If he strangled her would his prints be on her neck?  He would at least be a suspect after the husband told them that he'd followed her into the bathroom before...

 

I went through all the Evil Corp stuff so I can't clear anything up there. I am really bored by whatever Mr. Robot/Christian Slater's group wants to do and by what Angela wants to do. I am only interested in the show when Eliott is in therapy. 

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I watched this at 6AM this morning, still half asleep and may have drifted off.  I just can't remember the conversation between Darlene's hacker ex-boyfriend (DHEB) and Angela's boyfriend (AB).  Was DHB telling AB that he needs to do more shenanigans at AllSafe in order for the Dark Army to unleash their chaos?  If so, why is AllSafe the gateway?   Thanks.

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Yes, DHEB (Cisco) told AB (Ollie) that he needed to do something at AllSafe.  That was after Whiterose agreed to a meeting with Darlene; however, we don't know if what Cisco wants is at the behest of whiterose and/or the dark army. Cisco seems sketchy to me, and I have an inkling that he's deceiving fsociety and/or dark army somehow.

 

I think AllSafe is the gateway because they handle (an aspect of) Evil Corp's security.

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What's on the chip that Flipper ate? Did we already know Flipper was a girl dog? Will she have puppies?

Elliot's destroying data in the microwave wasn't much different from Mr. Robot going ballistic, so he could still be a Tyler Durden.

I thought Tyrell might throw himself off the roof--might still turn out to be his best option.

Tell me the similarity between the name Tyrell and the name Tyler is coincidental.

Darlene and Trenton seriously need their own spinoff. http://previously.tv/mr-robot/mr-robot-puts-a-refreshing-spin-on-buddy-cops/

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I think the show has lost the plot.  Or maybe it's me that's lost the plot.  Mr. Robot interacting directly in the absence of Elliot.  If that was supposed to be Elliot in Mr. Robot mode, then it's the first time ever we've been shown this.  Up to know, they've scrupulously avoided any interaction between Mr. Robot and anyone.

 

They have shown Mr. Robot interacting with other members of F Society. What they've scrupulously avoided so far is both Mr. Robot and Elliot interacting with F Society. Take the scene after the big "heist hack" where they learn the White Rose was out, first Mr. Robot is arguing with Darlene with Elliot drifting to the background, then Mr. Robot walks off exasperated and Elliot steps forward. So the scene in the bar could have been Darlene with Elliot channeling Mr. Robot. I'm still rooting for this to be a big fake out... the show has too much going for it to be undone by such an obvious plot twist.

 

BTW another thing I've been noticing is how often they frame people in opposite space, which bucks one of the general rules of editing and framing in space. Typically in a cross cutting scene of dialogue, the camera stays on one side of a line between the two actors, and the actor on the left will be framed on the left while the actor on the right is likewise framed on the right. This creates a natural flow to the cutting between the two, as we orient ourselves to the actors being in their own space as they converse. But in this show, over and over, the actor on the left is framed on the right and vice versa. This is certainly at this point an intentional violation of this rule for a specific effect or purpose. Perhaps to create a sense of disconnect between the actors or a general feeling of disorientation.

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I liked that as much as Elliot scoffed internally at Gideon's advice to find someone to be honest with, it seems like he ended up deciding trying to do just that. I'm interested to see how Krista reacts - I'm hoping she doesn't throw him out, because he really does need help (if he's finally willing to actually work on it).

 

Was there a point to the bits with Elliot wiping his computer and later at the vet with Flipper having eaten a chip, I wonder? I noticed both those scenes came straight after scenes with Mr. Robot interacting with other people and wondered if that mattered somehow, like they were meant to throw us off. Maybe not. With this show you never seem to know!

 

I got the impression that Tyrell didn't intend to murder Mrs. Knowles; that he just snapped. He seems to be losing it. If it was planned it was very sloppily executed.

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I got the impression that Tyrell didn't intend to murder Mrs. Knowles; that he just snapped.

 

Of course, it's just possible she isn't actually dead...   but that's not the way they seem to be playing it.

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Was there a point to the bits with Elliot wiping his computer and later at the vet with Flipper having eaten a chip, I wonder? I noticed both those scenes came straight after scenes with Mr. Robot interacting with other people and wondered if that mattered somehow, like they were meant to throw us off. Maybe not. With this show you never seem to know!

Well, we learned that Flipper is female. (I should've guessed, since Elliott rescued her.) My ears perked up at the reveal she has a tracking chip implanted. But then I remembered the awkward shot of Terry Colby's ankle monitor—with his trouser leg oh-so-helpfully hiked up—that went nowhere, and let it go. Then I thought, the show is a playing a long con, and one or both of those trackers is going to be very important.

Watching this show can be exhausting.

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I think Elliott had no idea his dog was microchipped, and was silently aghast.  He had just been purging his electronics of every trace of him, and the whole time, his dog has a RFID.  Oh man, I hope this doesn't lead to some scene where he thinks he has to remove the chip--or worse.  (I don't really know why he would, since all it does is identify the dog as belonging to his therapist's ex-boyfriend, and he just confessed all of his interference in her life).

 

The thing about "she won't know you're doing this to help her" or however the vet phrased it--a commentary on Elliott's habit of "helping" women?

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While Krista has to maintain patient confidentiality, a pyschiatrist is allowed to break it is she has knowledge of future crimes.  Elliot sure opened himself up to that with what he said.

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The thing about "she won't know you're doing this to help her" or however the vet phrased it—a commentary on Elliott's habit of "helping" women?

The vet said, "I would crate her for a few days and monitor her. She won't know what you're doing is good for her."

And we all know how much Elliot enjoys monitoring women because he knows what's best for them.

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The vet said, "I would crate her for a few days and monitor her. She won't know what you're doing is good for her."

And we all know how much Elliot enjoys monitoring women because he knows what's best for them.

 

I've never gotten the impression that he enjoys 'monitoring' anyone, woman or otherwise. To my eyes he never seems to take any pleasure at all in what he does, he just... does it. Sometimes because it's his way of connecting to people - the completely wrong way, obviously, but the only way he seems to have - and sometimes because something "scratches that part of his brain", like he said in the pilot. I don't think it's something he enjoys. (Have we ever seen him enjoy anything, for that matter? Outside of that one time he actually seemed to enjoy his Starbucks because he'd decided to do so?)

 

I really want the Wellicks to go down. Scott Knowles seems like a bit of a dick, generally speaking, but I'm totally rooting for him against Tyrell.

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I get the feeling we're supposed to THINK Tyrell lost it and murdered her by accident... but I wonder if this was his wife's plan all along. There's a bigger game in play.

 

Earlier in the evening she was goading him on with a comment like "are you ready?" or "you can do this." or some such -- and we just thought it was going to be something sexual or weird, but maybe this was her plan all along. And sure, he agreed to it because his wife calls the shots, but then when it came time to do it, he freaked out. He realized he actually murdered someone.

 

Anyway, that's what I'm thinking.

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So no one is investigating Shayla's murder/prison break and tying it to Elliot? Elliot was a visitor in the jail on the same day as the break and is neighbors with a dead person in the trunk of a car just outside the jail. I mean, c'mon. Would also be rather easy to pin the wife's murder on Wellick. At the very least he would be at the top of the list given what the husband knows. His DNA would be all over her body.

 

Are we just supposed to assume there is no law enforcement on Mr. Robot? I'm fine overlooking things but at least make an effort to cover these things up.

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How does murder advance his career?

 

We don't know yet, but I bet wifey-poo has a plan.

 

If you want me to just spitball here, let's just try out these scenarios:

  • new CTO is so grief stricken, he takes a leave of absence and Tyrell can slide in as the interim
  • a plan was in place so that new CTO was MIA during the incident and the Wellicks can somehow tie him to the death; by that same token, maybe they can show a falsified email trail or phone exchange in which new CTO paid a hitman to kill her
  • CTO freaks out and blames Tyrell, and Tyrell makes him look like an insane person; "What are you talking about? Why would I want to watch her pee?! That's crazy-talk!"

 

There are lots ways this can shake out.

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Viable possibilities, marcee.

One thing that keeps replaying in my mind is: During the toasting of the new CTO, someone remarked to him (from springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view_episode_scripts.php?tv-show=mr-robot-2015&episode=s01e07):

Here's to a man who has a bright future at our company, a man you all know, a man who is going to change this company for the good, a man smart enough to marry a woman every bit his equal [chuckling] Our new Chief Technology Officer, Scott Knowles.

This makes me think offing her was more than just throwing Scott Knowles off his game. Maybe she was the brains and he can't do it without her? Edited by shapeshifter
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It would be one thing if he killed her in a way to frame the CTO, since cops will always investigate the spouse of murder victims.

 

But unless the show is going to abandon logic, Tyler should be the one implicated in the murder.

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It would be one thing if he killed her in a way to frame the CTO, since cops will always investigate the spouse of murder victims.

 

But unless the show is going to abandon logic, Tyler should be the one implicated in the murder.

But Tyrell/Tyler carefully wiped her neck. Is it possible to rinse your mouth with something that would make a saliva DNA match impossible? Listerine always seemed like it could take the finish off of a car, heh.
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It would be one thing if he killed her in a way to frame the CTO, since cops will always investigate the spouse of murder victims.

 

But unless the show is going to abandon logic, Tyler should be the one implicated in the murder.

 

 

It may not be about implicating him in the murder.  From previous episode we know they have a good marriage and that they are a team so it is safe to assume they love each other.  The death of his wife will have an impact and if the murder is never solved that will have a further impact.  One that he may not recover from.  .  

 

Impacts like taking time off work to mourn...leaving a position open for the taking.

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And sure, he agreed to it because his wife calls the shots, but then when it came time to do it, he freaked out. He realized he actually murdered someone.

 

Methought I heard a voice cry 'Sleep no more! Macbeth does murder sleep'...

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