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[atlantaloves]

I totally agree, if I hear any news here in Atlanta will keep you guys posted.

[Jordan61]

On 3/18/2019 at 10:20 AM, funky-rat said:

I absolutely believe Wayne Williams is guilty, but there are some parts to the case that make me wonder if they lumped a bunch of stuff in to one package and called it "solved".

1)  Most serial killers have a type and don't switch back and forth.  WW was implicated in the murder of kids, teens, and adults.  Also, all but 2 of the total victims were male.

2)  Most serial killers use the same methods.  A number of the kids died from strangulation/suffocation and were left outside.  Most of the adults (if not all - having trouble remembering) were dropped in to water (although some of that could be with the police appearing on TV, suggesting that the killer might start dropping bodies in to water to hide evidence).  One of the kids was found inside of an abandoned building, and one of the kids was dumped at the back door of the parole office (he had also been stabbed in addition to blunt force trauma and appeared to have been robbed - that victim had just testified against some other kids in a court case).  But a number of the kids died by blunt force trauma, one was shot, and one was stabbed (not the one who was left at the parole office).  It's just all over the place.  Of the adults, ALL were suffocated/strangled, except for one, who was stabbed.

3) Some witnesses (yes, I know they can't always be reliable) said that there were 2 men.  In the case of one of the females, they saw a man climb through the window of an apartment where the girl lived, and there was another man waiting in the parking lot.

4) There is at least one person on the original police team, and a well-known FBI profiler who believe that not all of these murders were committed by WW.  The profiler says that he believes that police know who the other person is, and that "it ain't pleasant".

I did find it laughable that WW's attorneys demanded DNA testing on the dog hair from the adult victims to prove he didn't do it.  Turns out that the DNA test proves the dog was at least related to his dog, if not his dog.  Same with hairs found on some of the adult victims - they couldn't rule out that they belonged to WW.  I never figured the KKK had any involvement.  The person they heard praising the murders who was affiliated with the KKK passed a polygraph.  I know that's not foolproof, but that was really the only link.

Not sure if I want to watch this or not.  The Scott Petersen one just ticked me off.

I agree with you about serial killers having a type and the fact he was convicted of killing two adult males is unusual if he is the killer of the children. However, is it possible he killed the men because they found out he was killing the children? Other than watching the miniseries when I was a kid I really don't know much about the case(s).

[auntjess]

On 3/21/2019 at 10:36 AM, funky-rat said:

Yeah, that's a poor choice of titles.  I'm sure they're talking to any attorneys that worked with him, or looking at how he defended himself, but someone should receive a reprimand for that title.  Yeesh.

Yes, I saw that, on one like it, a while back.  One was McVeigh's attorney, and I think I saw Bundy's too.  These may have been court-appointed attorneys.

[For Cereals]

4 minutes ago, Jordan61 said:

I agree with you about serial killers having a type and the fact he was convicted of killing two adult males is unusual if he is the killer of the children. However, is it possible he killed the men because they found out he was killing the children? Other than watching the miniseries when I was a kid I really don't know much about the case(s).

I think they mentioned that because of the curfew, he may have targeted men.  I think he’s exactly where he needs to be (it was really telling how well he fit the profile), but things were so mishandled with the public and the families.

[funky-rat]

On ‎3‎/‎23‎/‎2019 at 12:48 PM, ridethemaverick said:

And if you know anything about the history of the south, you would know the klan angle isn't far-fetched at all. Again, I think Williams is guilty but I don't understand all the resistance to taking another look.

Absolutely, the Klan is dangerous.  But I agree with investigators and the FBI in this particular case - I don't believe the Klan could easily slip in and out of neighborhoods and not stick out.

I ended up watching it, because my husband had a flare-up of whatever health issue he has (waiting on further testing - consult isn't until April 15) and he went to bed to rest.  It doesn't change my belief that Wayne Williams did a chunk of these, but not all.  I don't believe - never did - that he killed the two girls.  It just didn't fit.  And I don't believe he killed ALL of the boys.  The adults threw a monkey wrench in the works, but I believe he did most of them.  It is entirely plausible that the adults had some knowledge of what he was doing (or even could have been helping - you never know), but it's also just as plausible that he switched to adults as the show said, because kids were not as easily found after the curfew.

I felt so badly for the man who spoke about his brother trying to break in to show business, and going to meet someone who was going to help him.  I knew immediately, and my heart sank.  Same for Angel's mom.  I don't know if she'll ever get justice because I don't believe WW killed her daughter.

I have zero resistance to them taking another look, and hope that it will only help.  The only downside is that it will create more doubt with the armchair cops who will then mount a movement to bust him out of jail, ala Making A Murder.  

[Brattinella]

24 minutes ago, funky-rat said:

I have zero resistance to them taking another look, and hope that it will only help.  The only downside is that it will create more doubt with the armchair cops who will then mount a movement to bust him out of jail, ala Making A Murder.  

I agree.

[ridethemaverick]

Oh, Williams needs to stay exactly where he is. I thought the show was very well done but I hated the inclusion of Frank Ski and the other lady who were so charmed by Williams. Of course he made you believe him; he's a sociopath. That's the beauty of evidence, of which there is plenty.

The rest of the cases need a closer look if even just to say definitively that Williams did them (except the girls, I agree that they don't fit).

[Jordan61]

I watched Evil Lives Here last night about Aswad Ayinde. I was struck by how his daughter so calmly and clearly talked about what her father had done to her, and how she let him keep abusing her in order to protect her sisters. She is a strong woman.

[KellsBells]

1 hour ago, Jordan61 said:

I watched Evil Lives Here last night about Aswad Ayinde. I was struck by how his daughter so calmly and clearly talked about what her father had done to her, and how she let him keep abusing her in order to protect her sisters. She is a strong woman.

Her mom should have been thrown in jail too, for letting it go on so long. 

[funky-rat]

20 hours ago, ridethemaverick said:

Oh, Williams needs to stay exactly where he is. I thought the show was very well done but I hated the inclusion of Frank Ski and the other lady who were so charmed by Williams. Of course he made you believe him; he's a sociopath. That's the beauty of evidence, of which there is plenty.

The rest of the cases need a closer look if even just to say definitively that Williams did them (except the girls, I agree that they don't fit).

There are convicts who have convinced celebrities they are innocent and get them to speak on their behalf.  I remember Ed Asner speaking out for one a while back, and when asked about all the evidence that proved guilt, his response was "He's so eloquent and speaks softly and calmly.  He writes poetry.  On that alone, I don't believe he could murder anyone."  Yeah, because that's the best way to prove innocence...….🙄

13 hours ago, KellsBells said:

Her mom should have been thrown in jail too, for letting it go on so long. 

My multi-quote hasn't been working....grrrr.

Agreed.  How can you know your husband fathered 3 kids with your daughter and do nothing?  Disgusting.

[LuvMyShows]

21 hours ago, ridethemaverick said:

I thought the show was very well done but I hated the inclusion of Frank Ski and the other lady who were so charmed by Williams. Of course he made you believe him; he's a sociopath.

I don't remember which murder show I was watching recently, but the victim's relative wanted to talk to the convicted killer, who was in jail...I guess he wanted answers as to why the guy did it, or something (maybe it had been a plea bargain, so no trial to unearth the deets).  So they showed the actual interview in the jail, and the killer was contrite, and gave some heartfelt-sounding explanation about how things got out of hand or whatever, and the relative was very appreciative and shook his hand, and everything was very kumbaya.  Then it came out later that all of what the killer had said was crap, and the relative actually said it had been a "textbook" convict interview of fake contrition and diminished culpability.

1 hour ago, funky-rat said:

There are convicts who have convinced celebrities they are innocent and get them to speak on their behalf.  I remember Ed Asner speaking out for one a while back, and when asked about all the evidence that proved guilt, his response was "He's so eloquent and speaks softly and calmly.  He writes poetry.  On that alone, I don't believe he could murder anyone."  Yeah, because that's the best way to prove innocence...….

In a similar vein, the murder show I was watching last night had the detective questioning whether the married female victim could have been involved in a consensual 3-way situation in her marriage, and he found it sooo unlikely because the woman "was a teacher and worked with kids".  Wow, just wow....cause teachers don't 'swing'?

[funky-rat]

30 minutes ago, LuvMyShows said:

In a similar vein, the murder show I was watching last night had the detective questioning whether the married female victim could have been involved in a consensual 3-way situation in her marriage, and he found it sooo unlikely because the woman "was a teacher and worked with kids".  Wow, just wow....cause teachers don't 'swing'?

Yikes.  That was certainly short-sighted.  But I'm not shocked.  A church I used to attend was attached to a church of another denomination - they shared a social hall (the buildings were connected by this space) and we shared a lot of services with them.  I always found the pastor of the other church off-putting.  He was sloppy, and very overweight (not necessarily something I would put anyone down for in and of itself, but tie that in with the sloppiness and it makes it worse), and I just got a weird vibe off of him, but he seemed to be very well loved by many in his church.  I sadly wasn't shocked when he appeared on the news in handcuffs, charged with having child porn on his computer and phone.  That the church owned.  He was on the news saying "Does this mean I can't go back to work?".  UM....YEAH!?!?!?  So many were just "shocked" by this.  I don't put anything past anyone.  I'm sure we all know a person or two who does things behind closed doors, like the teacher you mentioned.  As long as everyone is consenting, it's none of my business.

[One Tough Cookie]

Edward Asner is an asshole. Mike Ferral (Mash) also.  They never met a killer they didn't like.

eta:  There is a group called Centurian Ministries, trying to exonerate those in prison headed by a former priest, who is an arrogant ass.  He took on the case of Roger Keith Coleman who was convicted of murdering his SIL. Coleman denied, denied, denied. Guilty. Sentenced toDeath Row. Centurian intervened and did a MASSIVE PR drive extolling his innocence (back in the 90s). He was executed.  But the priest couldn't leave it alone and had the evidence DNA tested posthumously.  He arranged for some media to be there when he got the "did match" call.  Imagine the look on his face when it was announced Coleman was, indeed the killer.  Priceless.

Edited March 26, 2019 by One Tough Cookie

[auntjess]

6 hours ago, funky-rat said:

There are convicts who have convinced celebrities they are innocent and get them to speak on their behalf.  I remember Ed Asner speaking out for one a while back, and when asked about all the evidence that proved guilt, his response was "He's so eloquent and speaks softly and calmly.  He writes poetry.  On that alone, I don't believe he could murder anyone."  Yeah, because that's the best way to prove innocence...….🙄

I had to google this.  https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-oct-04-me-31160-story.html

[2727]

5 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

[The detective] found it sooo unlikely because the woman "was a teacher and worked with kids". 

I assume the above-reproach teacher was white...

[KellsBells]

On 3/5/2019 at 9:17 PM, LuvMyShows said:

Just watched the new show on ID called Deadly Recall, with Pat Postiglione.  I'm sure he's a very good detective, and he seems very nice, but he is just not interesting enough as a speaker to carry a show.  I'm certain there are other detectives around the country who could do better.  They're going with the angle that he doesn't write anything down in the way of notes at a crime scene (hence the "Recall" portion of the show title), but that angle doesn't make for a compelling show.

Also, I'm watching the old series Cold Case Files, which is from almost 20 years ago, and I am absolutely floored that they frequently show the actual dead bodies, including faces.  They pixilate out nudity but show plenty of other things.

I completely agree on Total Recall. The stories are new, but he's not very interesting. 

[LuvMyShows]

Quite a coincidence that I was quoted above about watching Cold Case Files, because I have a new comment about Cold Case Files.  I just watched an episode, where for the first time ever from any murder show, I cannot find any information at all about the crime/perp.  It's from Season 2, called "Death of the Innocents" about Susan Connell, who got pregnant at 15 and 17 and left the baby to die each time in an abandoned trailer.  She lived with her parents and it sounds like it was potentially a physically abusive situation.   She was given 20 years, which I was very surprised at because she was a minor both times, and it sounds like there were potentially a lot of extenuating circumstances.  At any rate, the whole episode was about solving the crime, so we heard nothing at all about her trial, and that's what I was interested in, especially because after the end of the episode, they put something on the screen saying she was released in 2003 (2006?).  The only things in Google were the one- or two-sentence synopsis of the episode.  Is anyone familiar with this case?

[funky-rat]

15 hours ago, auntjess said:

I had to google this.  https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-oct-04-me-31160-story.html

That wasn't the one (I can't remember the killer's name, but the circumstances were different), but it just cements in my mind that some of these celebrities who are no longer A-List have too much time on their hands.

10 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

Quite a coincidence that I was quoted above about watching Cold Case Files, because I have a new comment about Cold Case Files.  I just watched an episode, where for the first time ever from any murder show, I cannot find any information at all about the crime/perp.  It's from Season 2, called "Death of the Innocents" about Susan Connell, who got pregnant at 15 and 17 and left the baby to die each time in an abandoned trailer.  She lived with her parents and it sounds like it was potentially a physically abusive situation.   She was given 20 years, which I was very surprised at because she was a minor both times, and it sounds like there were potentially a lot of extenuating circumstances.  At any rate, the whole episode was about solving the crime, so we heard nothing at all about her trial, and that's what I was interested in, especially because after the end of the episode, they put something on the screen saying she was released in 2003 (2006?).  The only things in Google were the one- or two-sentence synopsis of the episode.  Is anyone familiar with this case?

I'm wondering if they changed the name because she was a minor.  I've seen a few true crime shows where names were changed for various reasons.

[Brattinella]

16 hours ago, 2727 said:

I assume the above-reproach teacher was white...

What?

[2727]

1 hour ago, Brattinella said:

What?

Because unfortunately, women/people of color sometimes aren't given the same presumption of innocence, purity, and goodness that Caucasians are.

[Brattinella]

I think there is a forum for that topic.

[nokat]

On Tuesday, March 26, 2019 at 8:09 PM, KellsBells said:

I completely agree on Total Recall. The stories are new, but he's not very interesting.

He's no Kenda, who I love just for his drollness. "If being an ass was a crime, we'd have to put a fence around Colorado Springs." :D
 

[Writing Wrongs]

Anyone watch See No Evil? I love how they can track people through CCTV. Last night's episode was really sad.

[auntjess]

I like Total Recall, and am over Kenda, mainly because Carl Marino seems like a prig.  
What I'm wondering, is if I should commit to at least 3 hours on the Pikeston (?) family murders?
I recorded it, and new one coming up, because that's a lot of time. 

[Kitty Redstone]

I watched the 2-part Piketon family murders on Saturday and started to watch it tonight, but it seemed like it was a rerun from the night before so I turned the channel.  Other than the headlines when it happened, I was not familiar with this case.  Anyway, it did a pretty good job on what was a horrible tragedy but I still have lots of questions.  I won't say anything else yet since you haven't watched and don't want to spoil any of the details.

Total Recall is a new favorite of mine as well.

[walnutqueen]

The Deadly Recall guy is boring AF.  Sorry/not sorry - he's no Kenda  - who actually HAS total recall about his cases.  AND has a delivery that engages the casual viewer.  One & done, Pantonelli/Pagliari/Postiglione/like I care what your name is.

I have the Piketon stuff on DVR - of course, I will watch it, no matter how shitty the reviews.

[Jordan61]

I had Deadly Recall on as background noise while I was cooking and my husband said, "who IS this guy? He's annoying." I think they are always looking for another Kenda-type show: Murder Chose Me, I Am Homicide, The Coroner, etc. There was one with a female Kenda-type that I only saw once, I don't remember what it was called.

Edited April 3, 2019 by Jordan61
Deadly Recall, not Total Recall. Duh.

[hoosiermom]

I think the 2 hour special on the Piketon murders was well done.I had not heard of it before (because I don’t watch the news). It will be interesting to see if the people they arrested are found guilty.

[atlantaloves]

I just about died with those results......over child custody you kill 8 people...GOOD GOD FROM ZION....get a grip and a good lawyer...this was a total let down. I want that trial right now. 

[azshadowwalker]

Just realized this week that Sling has added ID. I am enormously happy. 

[azshadowwalker]

On 3/26/2019 at 3:25 PM, One Tough Cookie said:

Edward Asner is an asshole. Mike Ferral (Mash) also.  They never met a killer they didn't like.

eta:  There is a group called Centurian Ministries, trying to exonerate those in prison headed by a former priest, who is an arrogant ass.  He took on the case of Roger Keith Coleman who was convicted of murdering his SIL. Coleman denied, denied, denied. Guilty. Sentenced toDeath Row. Centurian intervened and did a MASSIVE PR drive extolling his innocence (back in the 90s). He was executed.  But the priest couldn't leave it alone and had the evidence DNA tested posthumously.  He arranged for some media to be there when he got the "did match" call.  Imagine the look on his face when it was announced Coleman was, indeed the killer.  Priceless.

That priest has admitted that he was wrong. He got played. It happens, especially since we have such a questionable justice system and there have been several cases where DNA exonerated people. I never thought Coleman was innocent, but I can see how he could manipulate people. That hardly makes them "assholes," IMO. 

[hoosiermom]

The See no Evil last night was very sad but had me riveted. Unbelievable that guy killed her for a tank of gas. The cops did a good job of figuring it out. Thank God for that found footage.

[Fable]

Grave Mysteries (SPOILERS) this week was kind of crazy:  An inmate comes forward offering knowledge of a murder in order to get time shaved off his current sentence for, I believe, breaking and entering or some such thing.  Anyhow, he points the finger at one of his acquaintances, who unbeknownst to him, had been serving time in a different facility at the time of the murder.  The whole thing blows up in his face, and they pin the murder on him since he knows too many facts about the case.  If this clown had just kept his head down and done his time, I imagine he would never have been found out. 

[LuvMyShows]

1 hour ago, Fable said:

Grave Mysteries (SPOILERS) this week was kind of crazy:  An inmate comes forward offering knowledge of a murder in order to get time shaved off his current sentence for, I believe, breaking and entering or some such thing.  Anyhow, he points the finger at one of his acquaintances, who unbeknownst to him, had been serving time in a different facility at the time of the murder.  The whole thing blows up in his face, and they pin the murder on him since he knows too many facts about the case.  If this clown had just kept his head down and done his time, I imagine he would never have been found out. 

I think you're talking about Dead of Night, not Grave Mysteries?

[LuvMyShows]

Back in the discussion of detectives with their own show, I think someone had mentioned a woman detective but didn't know her name.  I'm wondering if it was Molly Daul (med/long straight blond hair).  She's a pretty good narrator.

[LuvMyShows]

Just watched the most recent episode of Killing Time.  During the episode, we saw the daughter (Brandi) making arrangements for her father to be killed, and a female friend was present and heard Brandi's conversation.  She confronted Brandi, and Brandi said she was joking, but we could tell that wasn't true.  So, the episode continues, the father (Paul) does get killed, and Brandi does get arrested (along with her mother!)  During the investigation at some point (or during the trial), I believe the friend admitted what she heard.  So at the very end, the female friend is on screen saying, in a very proud voice, something about how she was there to speak for Paul when he couldn't.  Bish, please.  It doesn't appear that she spoke up at the time she heard the conversation, nor did it appear she came forward immediately after the death to help solve the case.   If I were the family of Paul, I'd be disgusted from having heard her.  BTW, she sure did love saying/bragging about the "Party House" (if you've seen the episode, you'll know what I mean!)...annoying AF.

[Jordan61]

55 minutes ago, LuvMyShows said:

Back in the discussion of detectives with their own show, I think someone had mentioned a woman detective but didn't know her name.  I'm wondering if it was Molly Daul (med/long straight blond hair).  She's a pretty good narrator.

I looked it up on the ID website and the show I saw that is very Kenda-like is The Killer Closer, with LAPD detective Lindy Gligorijevic. They even had a very similar opening line in the intro: Kenda's is "if you kill, I WILL find you" and hers was something like "if you take a life, I will hunt you down."

Edited April 6, 2019 by Jordan61

[LuvMyShows]

19 minutes ago, Jordan61 said:

I looked it up on the ID website and the show I saw that is very Kenda-like is The Killer Closer, with LAPD detective Lindy Gligorijevic. They even had a very similar opening line in the intro: Kenda's is "if you kill, I WILL find you" and hers was something like "if you take a life, I will hunt you down."

Yes, that was it!  I remember noticing about that opening line as well.  I liked the show, and I especially like the idea of a woman detective hosting!

[Fable]

2 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

I think you're talking about Dead of Night, not Grave Mysteries?

I think you are right

[CrazyInAlabama]

The part that really irritates me about celebrities like Ed Asner, and Mike Ferrell, and the others who want people out of jail, because they're eloquent, or they've found Jesus, or they came from a bad background, is that even if the person gets out of jail, Asner and Ferrell will never have to live next to them, or have to worry about what happens next when the person kills again.       

Norman Mailer is a good example of championing prisoners.   He was a leader in the Jack Abbott (In the Belly of the Beast) deserves another chance movement.  Abbott had committed murder behind bars, escaped, and robbed a bank, and other crimes.       Six weeks after release Abbott murdered a young man in cold blood.    During this trial, Jerzy Kosinski and Susan Sarandon, among others were claiming he should be given another chance.    Abbott was sentence to 15 to life, and committed suicide after a failed chance at parole.   His second book was actually published, but sold very little.     The first book only resulted in $12,500 in advances, and no other payments.   The widow of the victim successfully sued for all proceeds from any books, or other profits. 

Edited April 7, 2019 by CrazyInAlabama

[sskrill]

Tonight's episode of Snapped with Opal whats-er-face ... all I could think of through the whole episode was Chris Farley yelling "I live in a van down by the river!"  Inappropriate I know, but I wish they had used that phrase less.

[geekgirl921]

Wow, the woman from Evil Lives Here last night was in some major denial!

[funky-rat]

3 minutes ago, geekgirl921 said:

Wow, the woman from Evil Lives Here last night was in some major denial!

Which one was that?  I missed watching last night because WWE PPV ran over.....and my husband must watch until the end.  Ugh.

MOST of the people on that show are deep in denial, but some are really bad.

[geekgirl921]

Just now, funky-rat said:

Which one was that?  I missed watching last night because WWE PPV ran over.....and my husband must watch until the end.  Ugh.

MOST of the people on that show are deep in denial, but some are really bad.

It was actually an hour earlier than usual since they were showing the Madeline Mcann special. This woman was extra special; she has basically put her fingers in her ears and is loudly shouting lalala! She was basically saying since he was good to her, everything else was a-okay.

[Josette]

22 hours ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

Norman Mailer is a good example of championing prisoners.   He was a leader in the Jack Abbott (In the Belly of the Beast) deserves another chance movement. 

Also see the case of Edgar Smith and William F. Buckley.  Of course, Buckley actually believed Smith was innocent.

And then there was Jack Unterweger in Austria whose release was championed by many  prominent people.

[funky-rat]

23 hours ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

The part that really irritates me about celebrities like Ed Asner, and Mike Ferrell, and the others who want people out of jail, because they're eloquent, or they've found Jesus, or they came from a bad background, is that even if the person gets out of jail, Asner and Ferrell will never have to live next to them, or have to worry about what happens next when the person kills again.       

Norman Mailer is a good example of championing prisoners.   He was a leader in the Jack Abbott (In the Belly of the Beast) deserves another chance movement.  Abbott had committed murder behind bars, escaped, and robbed a bank, and other crimes.       Six weeks after release Abbott murdered a young man in cold blood.    During this trial, Jerzy Kosinski and Susan Sarandon, among others were claiming he should be given another chance.    Abbott was sentence to 15 to life, and committed suicide after a failed chance at parole.   His second book was actually published, but sold very little.     The first book only resulted in $12,500 in advances, and no other payments.   The widow of the victim successfully sued for all proceeds from any books, or other profits. 

While I'm glad to see people with name recognition and money get behind good causes (because we know innocent people do go to jail), it's problematic that they base their judgements on stuff that has nothing to do with the facts/evidence.  If they really want to champion people without doing due diligence, then they can be first to provide a place for them to live when they're released.  Otherwise, I'd rather see them donate time or money to either The Innocence Project or the Vidoq Society, and leave the questioning to the science experts, who base their opinions on things other than their ability to write eloquent poetry.

[Jordan61]

6 hours ago, geekgirl921 said:

It was actually an hour earlier than usual since they were showing the Madeline Mcann special. This woman was extra special; she has basically put her fingers in her ears and is loudly shouting lalala! She was basically saying since he was good to her, everything else was a-okay.

Yes! Good lord. I got the feeling she was pretty religious and her vows were sacred to her no matter what. She made a point of saying she was married to him until he died. I couldn't find much about him online, but I'm pretty sure they said he was 35 when he was arrested. He looked WAY older than that just in the wedding pictures.

[LuvMyShows]

Just watched the new show on Oxygen "Accident, Suicide or Murder", and the first episode was the murderous preacher AJ Schirmer -- staged second wife's death as occurring when their car hit a guard rail (soooo fakety fake fake) and staged first wife's death as falling down the stairs; had an affair with his church's admin asst and got engaged to her.  At any rate, I've seen his case on several other shows, but at the very end of this one, they added that his fiancee is sticking by him as are his kids.  Open your eyes, people!  I just don't get it.

The second episode had something I have never seen before, which was a private attorney bringing a murder case before the grand jury, and the DA's office being the ones who were defending the accused (a former cop).  

[Annber03]

7 hours ago, geekgirl921 said:

It was actually an hour earlier than usual since they were showing the Madeline Mcann special. This woman was extra special; she has basically put her fingers in her ears and is loudly shouting lalala! She was basically saying since he was good to her, everything else was a-okay.

I was struck by the bit at the end where she said that in order for her to "accept" what all happened, she had to focus on the happy times in her marriage. I mean, I definitely get how it would be tough for her to reconcile the fact that her husband, who never hurt her, could be capable of hurting (and killing) others, and I can understand her wanting to find some kind of way to cope with and come to terms with that. 

But then you think about those families who were affected by what her husband did, who lost loved ones, and I just don't know, as a result, how she can manage to even get into that fantasy mindset as she does. 

[atlantaloves]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh I love this new show too! So good!