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On 3/23/2019 at 10:26 AM, BaseOps said:

Virtually every character on this show has an outrageous background. And, on top of that, think of all the things that have gone on during the series. Meredith is perhaps the most storied lead character of all time: her mother resented her and had an affair, her father left, her mother attempted suicide in front of her, she became an intern at the same hospital where her one-night stand AND her mother's ex-lover (who she also had a secret lovechild with!) happened to work, her one-night-stand became her boyfriend who she later discovered was married, she was nearly killed by a bomb explosion, she drowned and went to purgatory during a ferry boat accident at the same time that her mother died, her friend (who she had slept with) was dragged by a bus and killed, her other friend got cancer and then left town, she discovered that she had sisters VIA her father, one of whom showed up to work with her, they finally got close just before a horrific plane crash killed that sister, as well as Meredith's husband's best friend, and injured everyone else (Meredith included), AND OH I forgot the shooting, where she watched her husband get shot in the chest and later had a miscarriage. IS IT OVER YET!? Nope. Her husband died in a car accident, she was brutalized by a patient and hospitalized for weeks, her absentee father died in her arms, and now she has perhaps the worst punishment of all: having to listen to Maggie talk about sex a lot.

^^^This is amazing! and why I love Meredith Grey so much. Poor darling IS a soap opera all by herself.

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On 4/15/2019 at 5:46 PM, chitowngirl said:

“Good Shepard” was the episode to bring back Sara. It could have been her case and she called in Amy and Linc. 

I think it'd actually have been the worst episode to bring her back. She had no real relationship with Amelia and that episode was entirely focused on Amelia's arc. If they bring Callie back, it has to be either with a big Callie-focused story or have her interacting with Meredith, Alex, Richard, Bailey.

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15x24 - Drawn To The Blood – Alex tries desperately to save his patient Gus while he waits for a severely agoraphobic blood donor to arrive from London. Jo reveals to Meredith why she’s been so down, while Catherine and Bailey hold a meeting to get down to the bottom of an insurance issue. Meanwhile, Maggie and Jackson go camping.

So... are we going to get a Maggie/Jackson in-the-woods crisis for the finale? They haven't done bear attacks yet. (Joking. Kind of.) 

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9 hours ago, BaseOps said:

So... are we going to get a Maggie/Jackson in-the-woods crisis for the finale? They haven't done bear attacks yet. (Joking. Kind of.) 

Well, the finale title is called Jump Into The Fog so maybe Maggie and Jackson get attacked by fog? Oh, or maybe Jackson and Maggie fall off a cliff.

In all seriousness, the fact that there's no synopsis for the finale when other shows on the network had synopses put out weeks ago means that there's likely some Big Tragic Event taking place. I'm just not sure if it has to do with Maggie/Jackson. 

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It better not be Teddy dying in childbirth. I swear, if that's why they brought Kim Raver back for, I'm gonna flip out.

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It's normal for us to have no press release for the finale yet. They usually stay two episodes ahead, and the PR for 15x23 just came out today. 

Caterina mentioned to TVLine that it's a "fall-down-and-explode" kind of episode (whatever that means?) but also that her storyline is funny and ridiculous and like a romantic comedy. She said there's tonally a lot of levity in the last one, like much of the season so far. I really have no clue what will go down, but I'd wager we'll get a cliffhanger at the end of 15x23. Teddy giving birth seems to be the only assurance. 

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1 hour ago, BaseOps said:

It's normal for us to have no press release for the finale yet. They usually stay two episodes ahead, and the PR for 15x23 just came out today. 

This link has the synopsis for every other ABC finale in May The one for Grey's is generic, which does seem to point toward a possible cliffhanger in 15x24, hence the mystery until that episode airs (my guess). And I do agree that it probably has to do with Teddy. I mean, the title of the finale makes it seem like their biggest adversary is going to be Fog. But we already know that Teddy is giving birth in the finale. They really can't afford to drag her pregnancy out into season 16, after all. 

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We should just wait for Kevin McKidd to say something and then we'll know that the exact opposite will actually happen. 

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Maybe the finale is actually gonna be boring. What Caterina said doesn't sound like there's gonna be some huge tragedy or catastrophe. Anything Amelia related doesn't interest me. She's always the character who gets the most screentime and I've had enough of it.

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I don't see it being a HUGE disaster finale like, say, the shooting or the fire or the plane crash. I think it will be more along the lines of the last few finales, where there's a lot going on but it's a mix of drama/comedy/teases for next season. Our cliffhangers last year were: Teddy being pregnant, Jo potentially leaving for her fellowship, and... that's really it, actually. Though, last year they had to focus a lot on wrapping up the April/Arizona stories and they had their 'big' episode the week before with April's accident. 

I'm thinking we can expect: Teddy giving birth, some type of accident with Jackson/Maggie in the woods, a big focus on the medical cases unless they're wrapped up in 15x23 (Alex's kid with rare blood, and the non-binary patient and their mother), and whatever the storyline is that has to do with Catherine/Bailey looking into a hospital insurance issue. 

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2 hours ago, BaseOps said:

I'm thinking we can expect: Teddy giving birth, some type of accident with Jackson/Maggie in the woods, a big focus on the medical cases unless they're wrapped up in 15x23 (Alex's kid with rare blood, and the non-binary patient and their mother), and whatever the storyline is that has to do with Catherine/Bailey looking into a hospital insurance issue. 

I could see this. I did read about Krista saying that the finale is fun/funny. After last season's finale also being more light hearted, I guess that's Krista's MO. Teddy has to be giving birth in the finale. Jackson/Maggie may or may not be back from their camping trip in 15x24, and I assume they'll wrap up Alex's big case in the finale. I'm trying to think of what else could happen. Meredith/Deluca maybe hitting a snag in their relationship? HAOG deciding to leave Seattle hopefully? Jo apologising to Alex and fixing their relationship? 

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It's the fact that they're saving Teddy's childbirth for the finale that's making me uneasy. I mean, after AN ENTIRE SEASON of pregnancy (which, seriously...), there's no way she's gonna give birth just like that. There has to be some drama involved, but hopefully it will like when April/Meredith/Callie were giving birth and there were complications, but in the end both the mother and the baby were fine. Plus, I don't think Amelia would be having a romcom-ish storyline if something really serious happened to the baby mama of her former husband and great love. Hopefully not, at least.

And I want to see Michelle Forbes again, so I kinda want Alex to go to Pittsburgh. 

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8 minutes ago, Joana said:

It's the fact that they're saving Teddy's childbirth for the finale that's making me uneasy. I mean, after AN ENTIRE SEASON of pregnancy (which, seriously...), there's no way she's gonna give birth just like that. There has to be some drama involved, but hopefully it will like when April/Meredith/Callie were giving birth and there were complications, but in the end both the mother and the baby were fine. Plus, I don't think Amelia would be having a romcom-ish storyline if something really serious happened to the baby mama of her former husband and great love. Hopefully not, at least.

True to this . There has been NO normal pregnancies on this show, from what I can recall. Even guest stars usually have some dramatic birth sequence, whether it's the actual birth or whatever the mother or baby end up having afterward. 

However, with Caterina's description of her plot being out of some rom-com, I'd imagine that there's some hijinx surrounding Teddy's labour with her, Link, Tom, Owen, and Teddy herself involved. 

Nah, Teddy and baby will be fine. They wouldn't let Owen lose his chance for his happily ever after with a family. Since they started promoting Teddy/Owen as endgame, I knew that sealed Teddy's fate...in surviving. Plus, it was also obvious when Owen officially got to adopt Leo that he'd get Teddy too. And Krista has been determined to go back to more happiness and less angst. I was just secretly hoping for a dramatic event. Although, honestly, if Teddy's birth goes without a hitch and the drama comes mostly from the people involved, rather than the actual baby, then I'd be impressed.

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On 4/22/2019 at 9:35 AM, BaseOps said:

They haven't done bear attacks yet. (Joking. Kind of.) 

They actually did in Season 4. 🙂

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22 hours ago, kariyaki said:

They haven't done a volcano eruption yet.

Mt. Rainier, I'm looking at you!  🙂  (I guess St. Helens is too far away to have a drastic effect on the Seattle area)

Speaking of Mount St. Helens, I recall that at least one game had to be cancelled for the AAA baseball team in Portland in the aftermath of the May 1980 eruption (I'd loved to have seen in the paper "XXX at Portland, volcano"  😄

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We should have a full press release this week, but the short synopsis for the finale is here:

15x25 - "Jump Into The Fog" - As fog begins to cover Seattle, the doctors must navigate through personal complications. Meredith and Alex attempt to save Gus. Levi talks some sense into a struggling Nico. 

Surprised there's no mention of Teddy giving birth, but that may be in the longer release. I'm guessing the fog hits while Maggie and Jackson are camping. 

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ugh I can already hear Maggie’s whining and incessant chattering when the fog hits. 

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So the full press release added nothing about the finale description aside from the guest cast. Link, Nico, Schmitt, Tom, Carina are all in the finale. I'm wondering if Carina comes with news about DeLuca's dad. 

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26 minutes ago, BaseOps said:

So the full press release added nothing about the finale description aside from the guest cast. Link, Nico, Schmitt, Tom, Carina are all in the finale. I'm wondering if Carina comes with news about DeLuca's dad. 

My best guess? Probably either has to do with their dad, with Deluca/Meredith to set up for a potential breakup, or Carina could be there to help deliver Teddy's baby. It's probably partially the last one, but she'll probably also be involved in more Deluca family drama.

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Guesses: Teddy or the baby need heart surgery & Maggie is stuck in the fog. If they want a big cliff, Maggie & Jackson go off the road while whoever needs the surgery hangs in the balance. Other: Jo takes off, Amelia & Link have some fun moments & something with Meredith.

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I hope Jo doesn’t head off. I feel like we’ve been there/done that already with Izzy. I’d like if we could just get a conclusion to that storyline before next season. 

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1 hour ago, Chas411 said:

I hope Jo doesn’t head off. I feel like we’ve been there/done that already with Izzy. I’d like if we could just get a conclusion to that storyline before next season. 

That would be such a repeat not only for Alex, but also for what happened between Owen and Amelia or even when Meredith picked up and left everyone behind for almost a year. ENOUGH ALREADY! Just have Jo and Alex talk!

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I don't think Jo is going anywhere. It seems like this week will be her rock bottom and next week she begins to talk about it. Telling Meredith is a good start. 

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Finale sounds terribly boring, much like the majority of season 15, which turns out is only a notch or two above the abysmal season 13. 

Season 14 was like that surge Richard talked about before Mark died, when you think everything is okay and getting better but it's not. 

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56 minutes ago, funnygirl said:

Finale sounds terribly boring, much like the majority of season 15, which turns out is only a notch or two above the abysmal season 13. 

Season 14 was like that surge Richard talked about before Mark died, when you think everything is okay and getting better but it's not. 

Hah, I've enjoyed this season way more than either 11 or 13 - those are my two least-favorite by miles, whereas 14 ended by being my favorite since maybe 7 or 8. The difference for me is, I enjoyed pretty much all of this season, but not enough of it really wowed me. The Teddy/Tom/Owen/Amelia story got tired quickly (particularly Amelia/Owen having the same issues over and over), and Meredith was given far little to do especially around mid-season. I do find the press release for the finale to be shockingly low-key, though. 

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2 hours ago, funnygirl said:

Finale sounds terribly boring, much like the majority of season 15, which turns out is only a notch or two above the abysmal season 13. 

Season 14 was like that surge Richard talked about before Mark died, when you think everything is okay and getting better but it's not. 

That last part is hilarious and true at the same time. I pretty much hated s11-13. S14 was a breath of fresh air. But s15 is doing nothing for me. It's not that it's terrible, but most stories just seem so random and meaningless. Except for Owen and Amelia (separately and before as a couple) I don't feel like we got much insight into the characters. They are just there. So much feels like filler. Raising awareness about social issues has somehow become more important than telling character-driven stories.

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This season has been so random and all over the place. Does anyone remember Jackson's spiritual awakening or whatever it was? Don't get me wrong, I'm more than happy never to hear about it again, I just don't know why we had it in the first place.

The only constant is that Amelia is EVERYWHERE and that Teddy is pregnant. And there's really no reason why her pregnancy should have been dragged out over the entire season, which just tells you how much they've run out of ideas. And I really hate it that Owen appears to be her endgame. Jane the Virgin has soured me off the "They have a child so they HAVE to be together!!!!!" storylines for good anyway, and in the context of this show that has demonstrated time and again why they're not meant to be it feels so incredibly annoying. 

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I will say if there’s one thing this season accomplished it’s getting me to like Amelia so well done on that show. Kudos. 

Owen on the other hand needs to fall off a cliff although I’ve been saying that for years. It really annoys me that Koracick was watered down and inserted into his and Teddy’s bullshit.

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On 4/28/2019 at 8:23 AM, BaseOps said:

We should have a full press release this week, but the short synopsis for the finale is here:

15x25 - "Jump Into The Fog" - As fog begins to cover Seattle, the doctors must navigate through personal complications. Meredith and Alex attempt to save Gus. Levi talks some sense into a struggling Nico. 

Surprised there's no mention of Teddy giving birth, but that may be in the longer release. I'm guessing the fog hits while Maggie and Jackson are camping. 

Fog? Did someone say FOG? Wasn't there a Fog Monster on "Lost"? Or maybe it was a Smoke Monster.

Also, when Mt. St. Helens blew in 1980, the wind sent say south (so Portland was affected) and east. For years afterward you could see ash in the fields and ditches. KFC offered a bucket of ash with a bucket of chicken.

Seattle would more likely be affected if/when Mt. Rainier blows.

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Chris Carmack (Dr. Atticus Lincoln AKA Link), Jake Borelli (intern Levi "Glasses" Schmitt) & Greg Germann (Dr. Thomas Koracick) have all been promoted to series regulars for season 16.

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7 minutes ago, BaseOps said:

Chris Carmack (Dr. Atticus Lincoln AKA Link), Jake Borelli (intern Levi "Glasses" Schmitt) & Greg Germann (Dr. Thomas Koracick) have all been promoted to series regulars for season 16.

Gutted we’re stuck with Glasses but the other two give me hope that we might finally be rid of the awful Owen and Teddy. Cast is definetly too bloated again.

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My hope is, with the two season renewal and the three promotions, that Owen, Teddy, and one of Deluca/Jackon/Richard are going to leave. Deluca or Richard due to them turning themselves in to protect Meredith from going to jail, just to lighten up the cast. Jackson because....well, I need Jaggie to end somehow and I don't think they'll ever get rid of Maggie. Plus, Jesse seems to be busy with other projects so he may decide to take on a more reduced role. 

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Storywise these promotions don't really matter, as all those people were treated like regulars anyway. In fact, I was convinced that (the actor playing) Link was a regular.

Now what I'm curious about is whether it means those actors are getting a pay rise, and if so, will someone be let go in order to even it out. And I don't think they've been setting up anyone's departure, except maybe DeLuca's. A lot of people seem to be convinced that Owen and Teddy are leaving, but I just don't see it. At this point it's hard to imagine that the show's Owsession will ever end, but realistically, I don't know how their exit would be explained. "Let's move to Germany (where neither of us have jobs currently!) and take our two very small children with us"? That's even dumber than Callie's move to New York, which was at least set up months in advance.

I feel like Jesse Williams has been phoning it in a lot lately and I don't think his absence would be noticed that much, but I can't imagine how/why he'd leave either. Unless he dies in some tragic accident (saving Maggie's life!!!) next week, but I really don't believe it will happen. 

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