S05.E22: Reunion Part 3

[Giselle]

The person who is at fault is the more good an supportive sister Kathy. Guess she didn't pick up the phone last night for the umpteenth time because of all the drunk dials. 

[Satchels of gold]

I agree.

 

This is why I take issue with Kyle putting her sister on a reality tv show with her *knowing* that Kim was an addict, nobody knew Kim was an addict except family (I guess? re: season 1 ending), and how was that an ok and helpful decision? 

 

Hope that speaks more to help explain part of where I'm coming from with my posts. Caregiving and empathy is tricky business. It can easily go into codependent enabling and that hurts more than helps, it ramps up the damage actually and makes it harder ultimately for the person who needs help to actually get the right help.

Kyle is not a casting director. Kim put herself on this show.

[shoegal]

I agree.

This is why I take issue with Kyle putting her sister on a reality tv show with her *knowing* that Kim was an addict, nobody knew Kim was an addict except family (I guess? re: season 1 ending), and how was that an ok and helpful decision?

Hope that speaks more to help explain part of where I'm coming from with my posts. Caregiving and empathy is tricky business. It can easily go into codependent enabling and that hurts more than helps, it ramps up the damage actually and makes it harder ultimately for the person who needs help to actually get the right help.

I believe you are talking about Kyle recommending Kim for the show? I can see Kyle thinking it would be an OK and helpful decision. One, it would give Kim an easy and fairly large source of income, which she needed (considering she's not actively or regularly working) and two, it would give Kim some accountability, some sort of schedule to keep, something to keep her busy and some public pressure to be sober. It may not have been the smartest but I don't believe it was with ill intent on Kyle's part, and it did result in Kim going to rehab (for the third time).

Ultimately though, Kim made the decision to sign up for herself and has willingly signed up each season, and never expressed regret for signing up.

ETA: I assume Kyle decided to recommend Kim (I also assume Kathy was also mentioned/discussed) because the sisters were raised that way. Kind of like the way Gigi/Bella are being raised. Share with your sister, take her under your wing- that kind of thing.

Edited April 16, 2015 by shoegal

[Cranky One]

I hope Kim wasn't planning on driving home since she was solo. LisaR was making fun of Kim (prior to her arrest knowledge, I assume) On instagram. I was able to grab the screen shots before Kyle asked her to delete it. I posted in Rinna's thread

[Giselle]

The story is that Kyle is refusing to talk to Kim after her arrest.

 

I hope Kyle isn't speaking to Kim and lets the family know why. It will start their vicious dependent cycle all over again and  it will only come back to bite her. Let Kathy handle her, Kyle should look after her own immediate family and give her support to Kim's kids only. Cut Kim off.

[blueeyed]

Oh shit..

 

 

She has done her family duty. Now Kyle can just let Kim fix herself.

[PreposterousISTA]

Adrienne Maloof tells E! News, "I think this is a cry for help. Right now Kim needs help," and adds, "She and [sisters] Kyle Richards and Kathy [Hilton] are in my prayers and have my full support."

[SwordQueen]

Isn't there a clip, in Kim's thread I think, of Kim on some talk show going on about how this show helps keep her sobriety in check?  She did say something to that effect, yes?  Then it seems like she's willingly choosing to continue to do the show.  

[BlackMamba]

Preach Queen Lisa V.  Please let these fingerpointing fans know

[Satchels of gold]

Hitler once borrowed one of Goering's pain pills because he was in 100% pain because of bronchitis, pneumonia and a hernia.

The next thing you know he invaded Poland.

And he still isn't as bad as Kim Richards.

Hey no joke, Goering was addicted to morphine ( after getting his privates shot in the beer hall putsch ) he later had a daughter but it was doubtful he was really the father due to his injuries. Hitler was addicted to meth which was given to him daily by his dr. morell He called the meth concotion vitamelton.

So there you have it, addiction, surrogacy rumors, shady doctors and 100 percent pain. There really is nothing new under the sun.

I am a ww2 buff, it doesn't come in handy very often, I have to take my opportunities as they arise.

Edited April 16, 2015 by nc socialworker

[WireWrap]

I believe you are talking about Kyle recommending Kim for the show? I can see Kyle thinking it would be an OK and helpful decision. One, it would give Kim an easy and fairly large source of income, which she needed (considering she's not actively or regularly working) and two, it would give Kim some accountability, some sort of schedule to keep, something to keep her busy and some public pressure to be sober. It may not have been the smartest but I don't believe it was with ill intent on Kyle's part, and it did result in Kim going to rehab (for the third time).

Ultimately though, Kim made the decision to sign up for herself and has willingly signed up each season, and never expressed regret for signing up.

ETA: I assume Kyle decided to recommend Kim (I also assume Kathy was also mentioned/discussed) because the sisters were raised that way. Kind of like the way Gigi/Bella are being raised. Share with your sister, take her under your wing- that kind of thing.

Just this season, Kim explained, at Vince/Eileen's reading, how she withdraws into her bedroom and mindlessly watches TV all day/night when she is in the throes of addiction. Maybe this is why Kyle recommended Kim as a HW, to get her out of her bedroom, to get her interacting with other women/people, to get her to want to get healthy/sober/clean. Kim did say, on the WW show before the first episode season 1 aired, that Kyle wanted her to join the show so that she could get out of her house, meet and make some friends now that her kids were grown. I se nothing nefarious about Kyle wanting Kim to join the show, in fact, I think she did to help Kim.

[sking24450]

I believe you are talking about Kyle recommending Kim for the show? I can see Kyle thinking it would be an OK and helpful decision. One, it would give Kim an easy and fairly large source of income, which she needed (considering she's not actively or regularly working) and two, it would give Kim some accountability, some sort of schedule to keep, something to keep her busy and some public pressure to be sober. It may not have been the smartest but I don't believe it was with ill intent on Kyle's part, and it did result in Kim going to rehab (for the third time).

Ultimately though, Kim made the decision to sign up for herself and has willingly signed up each season, and never expressed regret for signing up.

ETA: I assume Kyle decided to recommend Kim (I also assume Kathy was also mentioned/discussed) because the sisters were raised that way. Kind of like the way Gigi/Bella are being raised. Share with your sister, take her under your wing- that kind of thing.

 

This is always what I assumed and it would have been another point of contention if Kyle had done the show and not "allowed" Kim to be on the show.  And then if the show became popular.  Like that damn house.  Truly no win.

[zoeysmom]

I agree.

 

This is why I take issue with Kyle putting her sister on a reality tv show with her *knowing* that Kim was an addict, nobody knew Kim was an addict except family (I guess? re: season 1 ending), and how was that an ok and helpful decision? 

 

Hope that speaks more to help explain part of where I'm coming from with my posts. Caregiving and empathy is tricky business. It can easily go into codependent enabling and that hurts more than helps, it ramps up the damage actually and makes it harder ultimately for the person who needs help to actually get the right help.

Kyle did not put her sister on a reality show, Kim received a job offer and took it.  Anyone who had been around Kim knew she had deep issues having been 86'd from many a place. If I knew she was a drunk for a childhood friend of hers you don't think maybe many others knew? It wasn't just family it was the fact that no one gave a shit about Kim Richards anymore.  Kim was going to be the first real actress to join the franchise and she did so knowing she was an addict.  Once an addict always an addict.  She had been through three rehabs-is it Kyle's fault if she believed her sister wasn't using anymore?  Because to continually say that you can't employ someone once you know they are an addict is a pretty crappy thing to do.  Every family member everywhere hopes that the latest round of rehab or AA will be the key to a life of sobriety.  Kyle is a bad person for believing her sister's lies?  In spite of evidence to the contrary Kyle stood beside her sister this year. 

 

Kim needs to be responsible for Kim-those days of Disney contracts have been over for a very long time.  I hope Kim finds a way to support herself and finally get sober-real sobriety not this jacked thing she has presented us with and all her medication errors.

[rehoboth]

Does Cesar Milan still work out of CA? Kingsley should go be a permanent resident at his dog psychology center. He worked with a lot of cases like Kingsley where the dog bit because they essentially emulated their owners...quick to react, neurotic, only stable around a select few, aggressive when threatened in any way...sound like anyone we know? A lot of times the owners would return their formerly rehabbed dog because they couldn't or wouldn't do the work required to keep the dog sane.

That's what Kingsley needs. It's not his fault he was raised by irresponsible people/breeders. He is the way he is b/c of people and I'd rather he had a permanent home at a rescue than be put down.

 

Maybe Eileen will get involved.  The first time I ever saw her was on Cesar Milan's show with her dog and family.  The dog was hyper and always jumping around and on people.   Cesar watched Eileen, Vinnie and, I think at the time, their six year old run around, jump and be hyper while playing with the dog.   And he just shook his head.  By the end of the show, everyone had calmed down.

 

I doubt that Kim's problems could be solved in a half hour show though.

[What Fresh Hell]

This is always what I assumed and it would have been another point of contention if Kyle had done the show and not "allowed" Kim to be on the show.  And then if the show became popular.  Like that damn house.  Truly no win.

Yeah, remember how much resentment and hate built up when Theresa G. didn't want her brother and his wife on that show. I'm guessing it would have been similar for Kyle.

[Satchels of gold]

For the Kim supporters here I say this with no snark at all ( takes finger and crosses heart. This maybe the best thing to happen to Kim. No one ever got sober because things were going great. Sobriety comes when you have finally surrendered to the fact that you are an addict. Yes, she is humiliated but those wounds will heal. Thank God she didn't hurt anyone else or herself. She could be waking up in a jail cell realizing that she ran over a toddler.. .. sobriety will come to Richards, either in the form of recovery or death. She still has choices and were there is life there is hope. I wonder if her children will follow through with their ultimatium to cut her off if she uses again?

[Persnickety1]

Maybe Eileen will get involved.  The first time I ever saw her was on Cesar Milan's show with her dog and family.  The dog was hyper and always jumping around and on people.   Cesar watched Eileen, Vinnie and, I think at the time, their six year old run around, jump and be hyper while playing with the dog.   And he just shook his head.  By the end of the show, everyone had calmed down.

 

I doubt that Kim's problems could be solved in a half hour show though.

 

To train Kingsley or Kim?

 

It could go either way.

[SwordQueen]

I am a ww2 buff, it doesn't come in handy very often, I have to take my opportunities as they arise.

 

You and Trooper York are killing me with your little Hitler asides.  

 

Shout out to BlackMamba, too, for all of the tweets and pics, and to all of you guys who are posting links.  

I'm way too lazy and clueless to find this stuff on my own.  

[zoeysmom]

For the Kim supporters here I say this with no snark at all ( takes finger and crosses heart. This maybe the best thing to happen to Kim. No one ever got sober because things were going great. Sobriety comes when you have finally surrendered to the fact that you are an addict. Yes, she is humiliated but those wounds will heal. Thank God she didn't hurt anyone else or herself. She could be waking up in a jail cell realizing that she ran over a toddler.. .. sobriety will come to Richards, either in the form of recovery or death. She still has choices and were there is life there is hope. I wonder if her children will follow through with their ultimatium to cut her off if she uses again?

I am thinking Kim finally has a good excuse for not writing her blog.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

I want a BAC, I want a number! Because god knows Kim is going to say she didn't relapse. That it wasn't drugs or alcohol. Just waiting to see how she spins this one. She will in no way take responsibility I'd bet Monte's pain pills and a shit stained pillow on that!

[Giselle]

Yeah, remember how much resentment and hate built up when Theresa G. didn't want her brother and his wife on that show. I'm guessing it would have been similar for Kyle.

 

On that same note. Just as the Guidices agreed to be on a reality show knowing they lied and stole money, Kim agreed to be on a reality show knowing she was an addict. Reality TV had been around for a while they knew secrets get exposed, they chose the money and the fame over having a quiet life.

[BlackMamba]

You and Trooper York are killing me with your little Hitler asides.  

 

Shout out to BlackMamba, too, for all of the tweets and pics, and to all of you guys who are posting links.  

I'm way too lazy and clueless to find this stuff on my own.  

 

No problem SQ!

 

Least we don't have to hear "Ive been sober for three years" least I hope not.  Because now whos gonna believe it when she says it.  No one should.  It's cancelled.  Void.  Dead.

[BusyOctober]

Just read Brandi's blog and it sure sounds like a farewell to me (I hope). Her boys are very cute in the Make A Wish photo. I never cared for her, but if she is off the show I hope things go well for her for the sake of her kids. Maybe she can find better success and more happiness away from Bravo. I just don't care to watch her deflect and stir the pot and screech when she' called out for her BS anymore.

Kim's situation is very sad. I think she'd benefit by cutting ties with Bravo and getting into a real treatment center with a mandatory long term stay. If her sisters plan to be around during and after treatment, they should be required to attend therapy as well to unlearn whatever fucked up parenting they received from their mother. That woman did a shit ton of damage to her 3 daughters by training them to keep quiet, don't talk, don't betray the family...but priorities are make money for Mommy, then marry money for yourself and secure it with a baby. Not to say Kim's additions are all their mother's fault, but the seeds of dysfunction were planted in Kim, Kyle and Kathy's early years.

[The Mighty Peanut]

This is what I don't like about Kim -- like most housewives, she is a narcissist, and whether she's worse than they are or just bad at hiding it she appears incapable of recognizing that her actions hurt people. I think apologies are painful for her for all the wrong reasons in that it agitates her to acknowledge she is flawed as opposed to having actual remorse for the affected person. I don't like her because she drops bombs (LVP tabloid incident, Harry implications) under the pretense of moral superiority. I don't like that her debate skills are pretty much limited to did not, did too, so there, you're lying, this is off limits, and you have stupid hair. I really, really hate that she wouldn't acknowledge Alexia had a serious injury.

Her addiction...I don't view the same way. Yes, she is ultimately responsible for using...but it's an incredibly complicated (IMO) disease-mental illness hybrid that is bad enough on it's own and being made worse by her personality. It's easy for a non-addict to say just don't drink, but that's like telling an insomniac to just go to sleep, or a PTSD survivor to focus on the positive, or an OCD sufferer to stop washing their hands. I think because there's an element of getting high (at first) from drugs or alcohol people don't view it as a legitimate compulsion...but it takes an incredible amount of brain disorder to drink when it's not only not a reward in any way, ever, but makes you feel like shit 100% of the time and goes against the human instinct to survive. So, in this particular instance I have a lot of sympathy for her and don't think there's any shame in going back to rehab.

I knew a pharmacist who was totally functional on the job but drunk all the time at home...she promised to stop hiding booze in the house. And she did. Instead she buried it in the backyard. So, she'd go out to shovel or mow the lawn and really she's unearthing her alcohol. This is a smart, kind, educated person literally hiding in the bushes to drink. No one WANTS to do that. No one sees a habit progressing to where they're looking the people they love most in the eye and lying. Addiction is not a matter of just getting your shit together. It infiltrates everything you are.

Edited April 17, 2015 by The Mighty Peanut

[SwordQueen]

For the Kim supporters here I say this with no snark at all ( takes finger and crosses heart. This maybe the best thing to happen to Kim. No one ever got sober because things were going great. Sobriety comes when you have finally surrendered to the fact that you are an addict. Yes, she is humiliated but those wounds will heal. Thank God she didn't hurt anyone else or herself. She could be waking up in a jail cell realizing that she ran over a toddler.. .. sobriety will come to Richards, either in the form of recovery or death. She still has choices and were there is life there is hope. I wonder if her children will follow through with their ultimatium to cut her off if she uses again?

 

I hope so for her family's sake.  It could have been much worse for her.  A little public humiliation is nothing compared to what she could have faced if she had hurt someone and is still nothing in light of how her family, particularly her children, are feeling.  So again, all of this "poor Kim" is just a waste, IMO.  

 

In HS, the older brother of a childhood friend (who was also a friend) was a big partier.  One night he was drunk driving and flipped his car.  Didn't hurt anyone else, thankfully, but he was in a coma for many months and when he woke up he had lots of issues with his speech and with walking, etc.  Needed tons of therapy.  But because his short term memory was also messed up, he couldn't remember the accident and (because he was also kind of an asshole) he didn't give a flying fuck about what he did or the hurt it caused his family.  He got out of the hospital and continued to party and did it again, a year or so later.  I lost touch with them so I don't know if he ever sobered up or not, but it's really hard to tell which "bottom" is really bottom for people and for some, their "bottom" is the grave.  For her kids, I truly hopes she gets her shit straightened out and lives to see them all grow and prosper.  I'm feeling the most for Chad, who has his own problems to deal with and I'm sure could use the support of his mother right about now.  She really needs to get some perspective.  

[notnowimbusy]

Kyle was in NY, so I don't think the Radar story is credible.  I'm sure she's been on the phone w/Kathy.     She may have "issues" w/Kim, but I think she would be there for her kids.  

 

Brandi's blog was confusing.  It does sound like an I'M DONE letter.  

 

Kim's situation is great gossip, and it's been a real "see we told you" moment for many of us, and I am at the head of that parade.   It stems from dealing with people who shovel their BS at everyone else, don't take responsibility and outright call you a liar when you know you are being lied to.   As my Grandmother used to say Kim is "one sick ticket".     There is no joy that she's down the tubes - but there is satisfaction that we all weren't nuts, we know what we saw, heard and she HERSELF, proved us right. 

 

Here's what I'd like to know.  Why was she there.  She never seemed the type to be alone at a bar.  Sitting at home drinking, yes, but driving all the way to the Polo Lounge, no.   Was she there with people, who left, and did she then wander into the bar?  Was somebody with her earlier, and she just stayed on?   She has been SO vocal about being sober, and if she wasn't her kids would abandon her.  That flies in the face of going alone to a bar and drinking herself stupid.   If nothing else, she's a secret drinker.   And let's face it, The Polo Lounge caters to celebrities, so the last thing they want is to have a scene, even with a minor celebrity.  Discretion is a huge part of what they do.   So, they refuse to serve her, she get's loud, they quietly ask security to escort her out.   If at all possible they would have plunked her ass in a cab and sent her on her way.   She was out of control.   But, again, why was she there.   Monty posted on his IG acct a thanks to the Hilton Family for always including him, etc.  Was she there with them?  What triggered this is the real question.  

 

Oh, and I posted about this earlier.  If possible, the police will call somebody to bail you out, and release a "drunk" to them, just to make sure they aren't driving, in a responsible persons care, etc.  BUT, you get smart, talk back, cause trouble, and you are put in the tank for 8 hours until you sober up.  She was booked at 2am, and not released until 10:30am. 

[Cosmic Muffin]

I also wonder how she ended up drinking alone at the Polo Lounge, instead of secretly at home. That seems weird to me.

[nexxie]

E News reported on air tonight that, in addition to the charges we've seen here, Kim was harassing other patrons.

(Cross post from KR thread)

[SwordQueen]

This is what I don't like about Kim -- like most housewives, she is a narcissist, and whether she's worse than they are or just bad at hiding it she appears incapable of recognizing that her actions hurt people. I think apologies are painful for her for all the wrong reasons in that it hurts her to acknowledge she is flawed as opposed to having actual remorse for the affected person. I don't like her because she drops bombs (LVP tabloid incident, Harry implications) under the pretense of moral superiority. I don't like that her debate skills are pretty much limited to did not, did too, so there, you're lying, this is off limits. I really, really hate that she wouldn't acknowledge Alexia had a serious injury.

Her addiction...I don't view the same way. Yes, she is ultimately responsible for using...but it's an incredibly complicated (IMO) disease-mental illness hybrid that is bad enough on it's own and being compounded by her personality. It's easy for a non-addict to say just don't drink, but that's like telling an insomniac to just go to sleep, or a PTSD survivor to focus on the positive, or an OCD sufferer to stop washing their hands. I think because there's an element of getting high (at first) from drugs or alcohol people don't view it as a legitimate compulsion...but it takes an incredible amount of brain disorder to drink when it's not only not a reward in any way, ever, but makes you feel like shit 100% of the time and goes against the human instinct to survive. So, in this particular instance I have a lot of sympathy for her and don't think there's any shame in going back to rehab.

I knew a pharmacist who was a functional on the job but drunk all the time at home...she promised to stop hiding booze in the house. And she did. Instead she buried it in the backyard. So, she'd go out to shovel or mow the lawn and really she's unearthing her alcohol. No one WANTS to do that. Addiction is hard to beat.

 

 

Agree, there's absolutely no shame in going to rehab or any other recovery program.  That's what they are there for; to help people.  But only those people who want to help themselves will ever be able to receive help.  That's the only way it works.  I don't think anyone is saying for Kim to "just not drink", as you're right, it's so, so much more complex than that.  I definitely don't like being told to "eat something" or "just choose to be happy" because, hey, if it were only that easy.  lol  I think most are saying that she needs to be held accountable when she does drink, and even more so, for her actions, sober or not.  One of the most, or maybe the most, important aspect of sobriety is self-accountability.  If she cannot be honest with herself about life, then she will never be honest to anyone who wants to help her.  That's exactly why she rebuffs and threatens those who try, because she does not want to be honest with herself.  No one can force her to be, either, it must come from her.  So, while addiction is extremely complicated, it's still the same basic process for everyone except Kim seems to think she's above it all*.   

 

*Wanted to add that, that's where the Narcissism comes into play.  Kim thinks she's special and somehow above the rules of the rest of society.  It's not going to be easy for her to recover because she believes everyone else is the problem, not her.

Edited April 17, 2015 by SwordQueen

[GreatKazu]

Hey no joke, Goering was addicted to morphine ( after getting his privates shot in the beer hall putsch ) he later had a daughter but it was doubtful he was really the father due to his injuries. Hitler was addicted to meth which was given to him daily by his dr. morell He called the meth concotion vitamelton.

So there you have it, addiction, surrogacy rumors, shady doctors and 100 percent pain. There really is nothing new under the sun.

I am a ww2 buff, it doesn't come in handy very often, I have to take my opportunities as they arise.

Impressive! Take those opportunities. Hell, just insert those tidbits in every other post. :-)

 

 

I want a BAC, I want a number! Because god knows Kim is going to say she didn't relapse. That it wasn't drugs or alcohol. Just waiting to see how she spins this one. She will in no way take responsibility I'd bet Monte's pain pills and a shit stained pillow on that!

I want the security camera footage!

[PreposterousISTA]

But Will Kim Agree To Going To ReHab With The Impending 2nd Wedding?! & Mony <<<--- ® Kim~Ism Impending Death??!

[Satchels of gold]

This is what I don't like about Kim -- like most housewives, she is a narcissist, and whether she's worse than they are or just bad at hiding it she appears incapable of recognizing that her actions hurt people. I think apologies are painful for her for all the wrong reasons in that it hurts her to acknowledge she is flawed as opposed to having actual remorse for the affected person. I don't like her because she drops bombs (LVP tabloid incident, Harry implications) under the pretense of moral superiority. I don't like that her debate skills are pretty much limited to did not, did too, so there, you're lying, this is off limits. I really, really hate that she wouldn't acknowledge Alexia had a serious injury.

Her addiction...I don't view the same way. Yes, she is ultimately responsible for using...but it's an incredibly complicated (IMO) disease-mental illness hybrid that is bad enough on it's own and being made worse by her personality. It's easy for a non-addict to say just don't drink, but that's like telling an insomniac to just go to sleep, or a PTSD survivor to focus on the positive, or an OCD sufferer to stop washing their hands. I think because there's an element of getting high (at first) from drugs or alcohol people don't view it as a legitimate compulsion...but it takes an incredible amount of brain disorder to drink when it's not only not a reward in any way, ever, but makes you feel like shit 100% of the time and goes against the human instinct to survive. So, in this particular instance I have a lot of sympathy for her and don't think there's any shame in going back to rehab.

I knew a pharmacist who was a functional on the job but drunk all the time at home...she promised to stop hiding booze in the house. And she did. Instead she buried it in the backyard. So, she'd go out to shovel or mow the lawn and really she's unearthing her alcohol. This is a smart, kind, educated person literally hiding in the bushes to drink. No one WANTS to do that. No one sees a habit progressing to where they're looking the people they love most in the eye and lying. Addiction is no joke.

As they say in AA recovery is simple but not easy.

[bosawks]

And Andy, you know for the most part, I don't dislike him as much as most people...but for him to say he likes that BEAST that attacks people at whim? Whatever. 

 

Brandi?

[IKnowRight]

Bottom line for Kim.

Even if she is as dry as unbuttered toast, she is not taking responsibility for Kingsley and the fact that he brought harm to multiple people including her 2nd mom & her niece. Her lack of compassion for those victims is just shocking. I understand when people say we need to sympathize with the alcoholic, but does that negate her need to show sympathy for Alexia & Kay??!

Think about how horrible you would feel if your daughter was chomped on by someone else's dog and they in turn blamed your daughter?! Kay R is an elderly lady. It's shameful to hear she wanted Kay to keep quiet and even colder that she did not follow thru to pay for the medical bills.

I mentioned earlier in this thread that it was odd to me not to see any husbands participating in the reunion. Why the change in format? I truly believe this has to be because Mauricio wouldn't be able to contain himself listening to Kim. Don't forget, Brandi also told Kyle that Mo didn't "want Kyle." I also think the gloves would have been off when it comes to Ken dealing with Brandi. I think Harry deserved a chance to confront Kim about insuating things about him.

Edited April 17, 2015 by IKnowRight

[haydensterling]

Has she been drunk driving? So far her addiction is damaging because it causes emotional distress for those close to her. In other words they worry. Of course that's a lot but aside from that and being annoying as fuck while drunk/high, where's this menace to society that rates such disregard by some and pure vitrol from others? This is another thing that has me scratching my head. Kingley isn't about her being an addict it's about her being a bad dog owner and making bad decisions so again I'm unclear why compassion is completely out of reach for Kim Richards. She won't own it, admit it? I could care less if she does or doesn't. 

 

 

Unfortunately, Kim Richards does not get much sympathy or empathy from me simply because of the fact that her narcissism is super difficult for me to look at.  I see a lot of my mother in Kim, and just as I've not got much empathy left for my mom--oh hell, let's just fuck it and say 'none whatsoever'--I am unable to muster up much empathy for Kim.  Whether we've seen enough of the 'real' Kim to make a reasonable, well-informed, I'm-not-a-psych-nor-will-I-ever-be judgment regarding what I see as her narcissism, I believe the editors have given us more than enough to work with.  What I see on my telly set is what I see in my mom. Kim is a sick person, with a disease that is a special kind of hell for the people who love them.  She is, frankly, the very kind of person who pushes every last button I have.  I can't feel for someone who is incapable of doing the same for others.  Kim has no empathy--this is a fairly accurate statement across the board when it comes to the psych world regarding narcissism.  I'm sorry for her children and the other family members who do love her.  I am not sorry for Kim. 

 

Hitler once borrowed one of Goering's pain pills because he was in 100% pain because of bronchitis, pneumonia and a hernia.

 

The next thing you know he invaded Poland.

 

And he still isn't as bad as Kim Richards.

 

Um. Trooper listen up, okay?   That was 100% Poland's fault.

 

Just so we're crystal goddamned clear on it.  Goddamned.  100%.  What is today?

 

How did Kyle "put" Kim on this show without Kim's consent and will?  That's what I don't get.  Was Kim not mentally competent when she signed those gazillion legal forms to get on the show?  Why is this Kyle's fault and what about Better Sister Kathy?  Why isn't she to blame for "allowing" this to happen, if Kyle is such a Bad Sister to do that to Kim?

 

This.  Kim joined a show on her own.  I want to make it clear that I think all the daughters of Big Kathy are frankly unpleasant to me on one level or another.  But Kyle is not and never will be responsible for what Kim does.  Kim is responsible for Kim.  How is this a point which can be debated?  

 

I don't want to fight with anyone, but can someone who's coming from a pro-Kim perspective explain to me why Kim is not to held responsible for her actions?  I genuinely want to understand what you're getting at.  How, in your estimation, is Kim not responsible for what she does?

Also, totally OT, but swordqueen, is your icon from the Morgan-Greer deck?  It's one of my favorites.  /grin

eta:  clarity!

Edited April 17, 2015 by haydensterling

[IKnowRight]

But Will Kim Agree To Going To ReHab With The Impending 2nd Wedding?! & Mony <<<--- ® Kim~Ism Impending Death??!

Exactly. Kim is going to blame Kyle & the other ladies for driving her to drinking and her trouble with the law will prevent her from babysitting Monty, separate her from Kingsley & God forbid she has a court date or jail time for the 2nd wedding.

[hypnotoad]

 

Kyle did this show, with Kim in tow, and accomplished everything you wrote with the intention (I believe it was her intention, hidden but real) of coming out smelling like a rose at the EXPENSE of her sister Kim and Kim's addiction.

 

Let me see if I have this correct: Kyle forced Kim onto the show - kicking and screaming I guess. And then (for instance), she sneaked into Kim's place before poker night and slipped her a pill. She then forced Kim to call everyone stupid and generally act like a messed up fool.

 

Another poster has asked this more than once and I'm going to join in: when does Kim ever take responsibility. Kim is allegedly an adult who made a decision to be on this show. She made the decision to take a pain pill when she knew she would be filmed. She chose to verbally abuse the cast this season too. She made those choices. I fail to understand how Kyle did this all to Kim.

 

 

All the years of RHOBH, can someone point out for me the number of episodes of Kim gleefully hurting someone on the show? With intent to hurt

 

She looked pretty gleeful to me when she was ready to spill about HH. When she was in Palm Springs with Kyle, she looked incredibly pleased with herself when she made Kyle cry. She had that same look on her face when she read the Lisa R texts and when she started in with her 'you want me to tell the truth about the dog.' with Kyle.

 

 

It's disgusting to do to your own sister what Kyle has done to Kim via this tv show. I hope someone helps Kim in the right way, and that it sticks, and that Kyle stays far away from Kim's life because Kyle doesn't help and really doesn't care to genuinely help Kim. She hurts Kim. Enough already. Let the professionals help Kim, that's what she needs finally.

 

How do you know Kyle doesn't help? Because BG said so? Kim herself has said Kyle has been there for her. Is Kyle supposed to drop her whole life to be at Kim's beck and call? Besides Kim said she was fine with them not talking and fine where their relationship was right now. They haven't talked in many months now and Kim was arrested. Yet somehow Kyle isn't providing enough help? The only person who can genuinely help Kim is Kim. Even when Lisa R and Eileen expressed concern and offered help, she rejected them. That's on Kim not Kyle.

 

 

Nice to see there's some compassion for Kim somewhere.  People like to say addiction is a disease but I guess it's a disease where it's okay to mock, name call and humiliate a person.

 

I have compassion for Kim's children and her family. I even have compassion for Kim's inability to admit she has a problem. However, she opened the door to the mocking by her behavior all season long. She insisted over and over she was sober. That she has never had a struggle with her sobriety. Blah blah blah. Sorry but that leads to mocking. It just does.

[SwordQueen]

Also, Kim is not just some "kooky" relative that sings to herself and keeps a taxidermied cat in a bassinet.  She's toxic and a leech on everyone who loves her.  She'll suck dry their energy, empathy, money, attention, support, and basically their soul, if they allow her.  She's not harmless.

 

 

 

Also, totally OT, but swordqueen, is your icon from the Morgan-Greer deck?  It's one of my favorites.  /grin

 

Yeppers!  I don't even own the deck but it's just about my favorite rendering of the Queen of Swords.  Love her being the "thorn" within the bouquet of roses.  lol 

[TattleTeeny]

Kyle didn't force Kim to do the show.  Kyle doesn't force Kim to do anything.

 

God damn 100% right! Kim has proven time and time again that Kim has no problem not doing things she doesn't want to do. It's hilarious (not really) that Kyle is accused of bullying Kim into the legal contract of a reality show...but couldn't coerce the very same Kim to show up to events on time--or even at all. 

Edited April 17, 2015 by TattleTeeny

[PreposterousISTA]

Exactly. Kim is going to blame Kyle & the other ladies for driving her to drinking and her trouble with the law will prevent her from babysitting Monty, separate her from Kingsley & God forbid she has a court date or jail time for the 2nd wedding.

I Think Kim Will Go All @ The Merest Suggestion...

 

 

 

[SwordQueen]

NO ONE forces Kim Richards to do anything.  

I'm starting to seriously doubt that even Big Kathy was able to accomplish that more than handful of times.  

[missy jo]

I mentioned earlier in this thread that it was odd to me not to see any husbands participating in the reunion. Why the change in format? I truly believe this has to be because Mauricio wouldn't be able to contain himself listening to Kim. Don't forget, Brandi also told Kyle that Mo didn't "want Kyle." I also think the gloves would have been off when it comes to Ken dealing with Brandi. I think Harry deserved a chance to confront Kim about insuating things about him.

 

 

This is a great point. If not for Kim, they might have had the typical "husbands' segment" during Part 3.

[zoeysmom]

If Brandi were the good friend that she claims to be she would spill about what was discusses in the 2 am phone calls. I remember Kim telling us -you are only as sick as your secrets. Brandi show us what a good friend you are share Kim's secrets-it will set her free.

[blueeyed]

Exactly. Kim is going to blame Kyle & the other ladies for driving her to drinking and her trouble with the law will prevent her from babysitting Monty, separate her from Kingsley & God forbid she has a court date or jail time for the 2nd wedding.

Kim will not get jail time. Drunk in public - first offense, no; trespassing - first offense, no; battery on officer will probably be dropped in the plea bargain. No jail time.

[GreatKazu]

 

Has she [Kim] been drunk driving?

I don't know. Just because she hasn't been caught doesn't mean she hasn't been under the influence while driving. Her family turmoil caused by her addiction is pretty damaging in itself along with all the other drama she herself created whether she did it while sober or not.

 

 

 

God damn 100% right! Kim has proven time and time again that Kim has no problem not doing things she doesn't want to do. It's hilarious (not really) that Kyle is accused of bullying Kim into the legal contract of a reality show...but couldn't coerce the very same Kim to show up to events on time--or even at all. 

 

TT and others who feel it makes no sense that Kyle is at fault for Kim being on this show. Of course it makes no sense because it isn't true.  No matter what, Kim is an adult who is responsible for herself. We learned long before we were adults that the choices we make, we live with. Plain and simple. Being a drunk or a drug user doesn't negate that.

Edited April 17, 2015 by GreatKazu

[TattleTeeny]

Least we don't have to hear "Ive been sober for three years" least I hope not.  Because now whos gonna believe it when she says it.  No one should.  It's cancelled.  Void.  Dead.

 

Come on, now! Maybe she means "three years total"? Yeah, that's it...

[AgentRXS]

It kind of burns that Kim Richards gets charged with  a misdemeanor for ASSULTING A POLICE OFFICER when we live in a world where US citizens are killed/attacked by police for committing lesser crimes.And of course the charges will likely be dropped or she will likely receive a joke sentence (30 day probation or something like it).  Its all about her ties to the Hilton family, baby. SMH

 

I feel sorry for Kim's family and whatever friends (if any) that she has, but not Kim. Sorry, I just don't. She has access to all the money in the world (via Kathy) to get help, a sister until recently would have done anything to help her get clean, and all time in the world to spend in rehab. She's not even trying to get or stay clean. She just expects to do whatever she wants and every one else should have to clean up after her mess, and then ignore or keep quiet instead of dealing with the consequences. Andy should have fired her ass 2 seasons ago. I have no interest in seeing Kim Richards on my TV screen any further.

 

Kim reminds me a lot of Whitney Houston in the last few years of her life (insistence on sobriety despite the obvious), and look at how that ended up. If this doesn't stir up a true wake-up call in Kim, absolutely nothing will.

Edited April 17, 2015 by AgentRXS

[BlackMamba]

Kim will not get jail time. Drunk in public - first offense, no; trespassing - first offense, no; battery on officer will probably be dropped in the plea bargain. No jail time.

 

I expect a fine and some community service. 

[SwordQueen]

Remember how Kim lead Gay Mastiff around by the nose?  Yeah, she's not one to take orders from anyone.  

[bosawks]

I think I'm most disappointed it's vodka tonics.

How Unbeverly Hills.....