S05.E14: Spend

[diebartdie]

Carol is a magnet for twisted children, Im frankly amazed she and Carl aren't thick as thieves!

[Adam]

Was Aiden confessing to abandoning a fellow ASZer whom he later attempted to avenge by beating a dead hors--walker?

I'll play PeePants advocate. There is a kernal of truth in his pleas to Deanna since Rick has no ostensible qualms over staging a violent coup. Sure he lacks the will go the Dale route, but Rick has been a duplicate of Shane for awhile now.

[Mu Shu]

Not everyone follows every bit of casting news out there. People just might not know he has another job. The actor on Talking Dead said he didn't know he was being killed off.

Yes, and?   Lots of people die on this show.

[BrokenRemote]

I loved the expression on Carol's face when she opened the door and Sam stood there with the chocolate.

She was breaking my heart because it was so obvious that she didn't want to get close to another kid, but she still couldn't turn her back on him once she knew his secret. I wonder if maybe Sam sensed something in her, that she was someone who could help him.

[Nashville]

I think Carol is trying really hard not to care too much about any kid.  After Sophia and the two girls she tried to help.  i thought it was well done because the kid kind of ignored it, like maybe he knew she didn't mean it (although personally I'm not so sure). 

 

Definitely.  If you'll recall, she tried to distance herself from Lizzie and Mika as well, when they were in the prison quarantine during the flu outbreak.

[Racj82]

Yes, and?   Lots of people die on this show.

You asked why are people shocked that he died. You also brought up the fact that he got a new show. If people didn't know he got a new show, they wouldn't be expecting his death. And knowing that people dying on the show doesn't mean that people aren't still going to be surprised when a character dies. It's a natural feeling.

Edited March 16, 2015 by Racj82

[Evie]

Poor Noah. Poor Glenn. Watching Noah get torn apart is enough to mess him up, but I'm guessing Nickolas is going to blame Glenn for what happened. He's a coward. No way he's going to tell the truth this time. Coming on the heels of FPP's words, I don't see Deanna publicly thanking Glenn or CDB again. ASZ vs CDB coming up.

Good for Eugene for stepping up.

If she survives, Tara may be getting a girlfriend.

Gabriel is the worst.

Not sorry to see Aiden go. He was a stupid douche, but he slightly redeemed himself by admitting he was a coward who left his friends and then telling Glenn to go.

Don't really care about Pete or Jessie and the possible abuse.

[maystone]

Come the ZA, I'm not going out with any group unless we make it perfectly clear that if I'm taken down, someone will put a bullet in my head before I'm ripped to shreds. Why is that so difficult?

 

I was really wanting to like Deanna, but I think she's going to go over the edge when she hears about her son's death. From the beginning she was very taken with how like a family CBD was, how they helped each other to survive rather than turning on each other. I thought that she wanted that transferred into her own community because they'd never really had an allegiance to each other forged by fire as our guys did. But I think the reality of that is more than she had visualized. Did she think it was going to happen by osmosis?

[ghoulina]

I'll play PeePants advocate. There is a kernal of truth in his pleas to Deanna since Rick has no ostensible qualms over staging a violent coup. Sure he lacks the will go the Dale route, but Rick has been a duplicate of Shane for awhile now.

 

I don't think we have necessarily seen anything, prior to now, that would lead us to believe Rick intends to stage a VIOLENT coup. Sure, there was the "we'll just take it over" line on the porch. But I never took that to mean they would start rounding people up and killing them. I think he probably had something in mind more like what's going on now - getting his people in positions of power. And I don't think it's necessarily nefarious. They just already can tell how naive and negligent the ASZhats are. 

 

Of course, it looks like NOW things might get a weeeee bit tense. But I wouldn't put that on Rick. It's what the current circumstances are going to dictate. Father Pee Pants does not know what he's talking about. And he was saved by these people, despite his moral shortcomings. So he would be wise to remember that.

 

I wonder if maybe Sam sensed something in her, that she was someone who could help him.

 

I thought the same thing. Kids seem drawn to her. Despite the fact that she has become a bit hardened and ruthless, it's like they can still sense that devoted mother figure inside of her.

[Dodginblue]

Was Aiden confessing to abandoning a fellow ASZer whom he later attempted to avenge by beating a dead hors--walker?

I'll play PeePants advocate. There is a kernal of truth in his pleas to Deanna since Rick has no ostensible qualms over staging a violent coup. Sure he lacks the will go the Dale route, but Rick has been a duplicate of Shane for awhile now.

 

Yes, both Aiden and the other guy from ASZ were confirming what I think we suspected, that they were either responsible for the deaths of the ones mentioned a couple of episodes ago or didn't try to save them at least.

 

I don't know about that kernel of truth.  Father Gabriel knows next to nothing about the ASZers.  For all he knows they could be even more "satanic" than Rick and his people.   Certainly no one at ASZ ever saved his ass when he was up on a rock or when he lead a herd of walkers back to the church.  

Edited March 16, 2015 by Dodginblue

[candall]

Was Aiden confessing to abandoning a fellow ASZer whom he later attempted to avenge by beating a dead hors--walker?

 

Yes.  He told Glen that those four people got chomped by walkers because he and Douchey2 had panicked.

[SimoneS]

Go Carl, get yourself some of that.

[BrokenRemote]

I think the abuse storyline is potentially interesting. How in the Apocolypse people might be stuck with abusive partners even moreso than now. I mean, it's not like there's a shelter she can run to. And it's a safe bet that if she told someone, a blind eye might get turned because her husband's the doctor. And then there's the fact that if she left the settlement she either has to leave the kids behind or take them and somehow try to protect them ( remembering Abe's family).

Would an abusive person stop being an abuser if the world ended? Or would the pressure make him or her more violent?

I think there's a lot of potentially interesting story there.

[SimoneS]

I thought the same thing. Kids seem drawn to her. Despite the fact that she has become a bit hardened and ruthless, it's like they can still sense that devoted mother figure inside of her.

 

I actually thought that Sam was using the cookies as an excuse to work his way up to asking Carol for the gun.

Edited March 16, 2015 by SimoneS

[lulee]

I think the abuse storyline is potentially interesting. How in the Apocolypse people might be stuck with abusive partners even moreso than now. I mean, it's not like there's a shelter she can run to. And it's a safe bet that if she told someone, a blind eye might get turned because her husband's the doctor. And then there's the fact that if she left the settlement she either has to leave the kids behind or take them and somehow try to protect them ( remembering Abe's family).

Would an abusive person stop being an abuser if the world ended? Or would the pressure make him or her more violent?

I think there's a lot of potentially interesting story there.

There could be, but it all feels rushed, and we got one set of answers to those questions with Ed.

[ghoulina]

I think the abuse storyline is potentially interesting. How in the Apocolypse people might be stuck with abusive partners even moreso than now. I mean, it's not like there's a shelter she can run to. And it's a safe bet that if she told someone, a blind eye might get turned because her husband's the doctor. And then there's the fact that if she left the settlement she either has to leave the kids behind or take them and somehow try to protect them ( remembering Abe's family).

Would an abusive person stop being an abuser if the world ended? Or would the pressure make him or her more violent?

I think there's a lot of potentially interesting story there.

 

Agree. I was just pondering on that earlier today. Well, I wasn't convinced yet that Jessie was actually being abused, but I was thinking about her possibly being in a bad marriage with a mean spouse....and how you would handle that. We saw Rick and Lori basically stick together because what else are you going to do? Turn someone out because you fell out of love, or got mad at each other? You make a really point about the townfolk not wanting to upset their only doctor. Pete might, indeed, be fairly well protected. 

[BrokenRemote]

Re watching and there's yet another new person--Rosemary, who left the strawberries for Father Gabriel. I'm sensing the town is pretty big.

[Nashville]

I actually thought that Sam was using the cookies as an excuse to work his way up to askingCarol for the gun.

 

I think it's simpler than that.  Sam recognizes Carol as someone who doesn't play by the rules.

[Dodginblue]

I think the abuse storyline is potentially interesting. How in the Apocolypse people might be stuck with abusive partners even moreso than now. I mean, it's not like there's a shelter she can run to. And it's a safe bet that if she told someone, a blind eye might get turned because her husband's the doctor. And then there's the fact that if she left the settlement she either has to leave the kids behind or take them and somehow try to protect them ( remembering Abe's family).

Would an abusive person stop being an abuser if the world ended? Or would the pressure make him or her more violent?

I think there's a lot of potentially interesting story there.

 

I would agree on this except that we had the abusive husband storyline already with Ed.  Although maybe the story here will be how CDB didn't tolerate it.  Shane beat the crap out of Ed.. Whereas maybe the ASZ folks turn a blind eye like you said.   

 

I certainly hope Rick looks for a little more evidence than just Carol's intuition before he takes Pete out.  

[Boofish]

I hope father pee pants gets the same gut job Rick gave that fat bastard who tried to rape Carl

[BrokenRemote]

There could be, but it all feels rushed, and we got one set of answers to those questions with Ed.

Yes we did already have an abusive husband storyline. But that gives us another facet to this one, which is how it affects Carol, who went from basically being Jessie to become something else altogether. What does it do to her, facing that this ugly thing she left behind still exists in the world?

They may rush it, but even if they don't devote whole episodes to it, it's an interesting subtext.

[nodorothyparker]

So the big secret about the ASZ is that it's standing policy to leave people to die if it gets too inconvenient or takes any real effort at all to save them.  I wondered if Aaron happened to mention that to Daryl before he rode out on his cliche cycle.  We know the ASZhats didn't bother telling Glenn and crew before they rolled.  This policy makes all their bitching about pasta makers and little inconveniences all the more insufferable.  People are being left to die that don't have to be so they can have those things.

 

After a long period of not much to care about and feeling like the character had nothing left to offer, Steven Yeun is absolutely crushing it this back half of the season. I'm pretty sure Glenn caught in the revolving door of death watching Noah be torn apart was the greatest bit of acting we've seen him contribute in five seasons and it was absolutely heart wrenching.  I've always found Noah more of a concept than an actual character and mostly liked him as much as I did because I liked the actor. I honestly didn't imagine I would care that terribly much when he did die, which was being telegraphed from a mile away by that opening scene, but the sheer gruesomeness and waste of it all really got me.  "Don't let go" indeed.

 

Still struggling to know what if anything to feel about the Jessie/Pete/Rick story.  I did really like the scenes with Sam and Carol.  She was clearly doing her damnedest to keep at him arm's length, which makes sense when you consider her track record with children, but you could see her mind immediately switch gears when he started asking about getting a gun.  I think that fact that her protective instinct immediately kicked in when she realized what was going on says that she isn't as hardened as she and a lot of people think she is.  And that she went to Rick instead of deciding to just take Pete out herself without consulting anyone means she did get the message from the earlier banishment.

[maystone]

 

You make a really point about the townfolk not wanting to upset their only doctor. Pete might, indeed, be fairly well protected.

 

 Absolutely. I was thinking that when Tara was injured. Nobody is going to piss off Pete if he's the only doctor in town. Rick and Carol are going to have to walk a fine line with this one.

 

I think that Sam went to Carol in part because he finally met someone who wasn't a milqtoast. Like he suddenly realized that there was a way to fight back.

[Nashville]

I expect Deanna to dismiss FPP as irrelevant.  Which would be pretty accurate.

 

I'm just wondering what kind of shitstorm will erupt when the Nicholas/Glenn/Eugene he-said/he-said gets started.

[SimoneS]

And that she went to Rick instead of deciding to just take Pete out herself without consulting anyone means she did get the message from the earlier banishment.

 

Exactly. Going to Rick was the right thing for Carol to do. And she is right that Rick will eventually have to kill him. 

[BrokenRemote]

So the big secret about the ASZ is that it's standing policy to leave people to die if it gets too inconvenient or takes any real effort at all to save them. I wondered if Aaron happened to mention that to Daryl before he rode out on his cliche cycle. We know the ASZhats didn't bother telling Glenn and crew before they rolled. This policy makes all their bitching about pasta makers and little inconveniences all the more insufferable. People are being left to die that don't have to be so they can have those things.

After a long period of not much to care about and feeling like the character had nothing left to offer, Steven Yeun is absolutely crushing it this back half of the season. I'm pretty sure Glenn caught in the revolving door of death watching Noah be torn apart was the greatest bit of acting we've seen him contribute in five seasons and it was absolutely heart wrenching. I've always found Noah more of a concept than an actual character and mostly liked him as much as I did because I liked the actor. I honestly didn't imagine I would care that terribly much when he did die, which was being telegraphed from a mile away by that opening scene, but the sheer gruesomeness and waste of it all really got me. "Don't let go" indeed.

Still struggling to know what if anything to feel about the Jessie/Pete/Rick story. I did really like the scenes with Sam and Carol. She was clearly doing her damnedest to keep at him arm's length, which makes sense when you consider her track record with children, but you could see her mind immediately switch gears when he started asking about getting a gun. I think that fact that her protective instinct immediately kicked in when she realized what was going on says that she isn't as hardened as she and a lot of people think she is. And that she went to Rick instead of deciding to just take Pete out herself without consulting anyone means she did get the message from the earlier banishment.

I hadn't considered, but you're right--Carol's not as likely to take matters into her own hands after Rick banished her. Now if Rick turned around and said "No, you take him out," I have I doubt Carol would do it. But she's going to get Rick's permission first.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that we had to get a long, loving, shot-from-below clichéd moment of Daryl riding off on his superhero bike!

[Myrrhine]

Come the ZA, I'm not going out with any group unless we make it perfectly clear that if I'm taken down, someone will put a bullet in my head before I'm ripped to shreds. Why is that so difficult?

Seriously! It drives me crazy. I know they were out of ammo when poor Noah was being eaten, but have some pity for stupid Aiden.

[Armchair Critic]

What did Aiden say to Glenn before he died? I couldn't understand it.

[Dodginblue]

I expect Deanna to dismiss FPP as irrelevant.  Which would be pretty accurate.

 

I'm just wondering what kind of shitstorm will erupt when the Nicholas/Glenn/Eugene he-said/he-said gets started.

 

I think Father Gabriel might have gotten a little more traction with his warning if he hadn't started with the Satan and disguising himself as an angel.  Not sure about Deanna's religious leanings but generally even people of faith can find that kind of talk a bit strange,  ZA or no ZA..  Maybe he should have suggested an exorcism just so there's be no doubt where he was going with that.

 

Edited March 16, 2015 by Dodginblue

[Pete Martell]

So the big secret about the ASZ is that it's standing policy to leave people to die if it gets too inconvenient or takes any real effort at all to save them.  I wondered if Aaron happened to mention that to Daryl before he rode out on his cliche cycle.  We know the ASZhats didn't bother telling Glenn and crew before they rolled.  This policy makes all their bitching about pasta makers and little inconveniences all the more insufferable.  People are being left to die that don't have to be so they can have those things.

 

I tend to wonder how much Aaron even knows about it. His job keeps him isolated from most of Alexandria, and he doesn't seem to have any relationships with anyone there but Eric. I don't get the impression Aaron feels the way they do about leaving people behind.

[lulee]

I think Father Gabriel might have gotten a little more traction with his warning if he hadn't started with the Satan and disguising himself as an angel.  Not sure about Deanna's religious leanings but generally even people of faith can find that kind of talk a bit strange,  ZA or no ZA..  Maybe he should have suggested an exorcism just so there's be no doubt where he was going with that.

After that first sentence, I thought he was going to say, "And I am that Satan disguised as an angel." like he'd come completely unglued. But there was that irony there - the man dressed as "good" acting evil to our gang.

[Pete Martell]

that we had to get a long, loving, shot-from-below clichéd moment of Daryl riding off on his superhero bike!

 

It's fanservice (and probably Reedus-service), but it's the kind i don't mind. The other bits of fanservice (like the weeping and the self-harm) are what I can do without.

 

I will say I would have been happier if Aaron or Carol or Michonne had been on the back. (not in a shippy way, just in a fun way)

[BrokenRemote]

They definitely have to get better at learning when it's hopeless and putting injured people out of their missy. It was obvious from Aiden's wounds that he wasn't going to make it. If they'd managed to de-impale him, his abdominal wound probably would have bled our before they got him to the van.

I loved how Glenn impressed Aiden and Nicholas by being able to tell the walkers in the warehouse were trapped behind something.

Edited March 16, 2015 by BrokenRemote

[diebartdie]

 

I certainly hope Rick looks for a little more evidence than just Carol's intuition before he takes Pete out.  

That was a crazy huge leap Carol made, she filled in the silences Sam left with suspicion of Pete, she showed up to Pete's door, banging away, he opens the door and isn't really happy to be woken up from a nap. He most likely smelled of booze in the middle of the day, now Carol is probably mentally glitching, having vivid memories of drunk ass Ed, mean ass Ed, squirly thoughts all going mile a minute, Pete blows her off, Carol skulks over to Ricks (wait a minute, that's Michonne's katana over the fireplace, is Rick living with Michonne? I thought Rick said "we can all sleep in our own homes now"?) Carol sidles up to Rick, starts her arch gossip, Carol, wily Carol she knows Rick's buttons whether or not she's noticed yet Rick is "into" Jessie...oh of course she has but damn..kill Pete right out the gate Carol? Sheesh woman, you're still fighting Ed in your head! Let him go you bashed his dead head in with a freekin' pick ages ago, Pete is not Ed.

 

Pete, for all his apparent boorishness and implied abuse is indeed a physician. A trained medical provider at the end of the world. Someone normal people would probably want to try to talk to, maybe get things out in the open, maybe he needs his own house or something, whatever, Jessie and Sam could live in different houses, really, everything is free right now so no big deal there! No, stone cold killer Carol wants him dead and she starts some kind of damn dark magic on Rick. So intense but senseless. For Rick to take the bait, then he would be as bad as any bad guy, he would be worse than Shane, Shane really did have skin in that game. I dont buy it, I dont like it. I'm team Carol all the way but this one here, even if I can see how she might get herself worked up into hating Pete enough to want him dead, right here and now it doesnt hold water.

[nodorothyparker]

What FPP did is absolutely despicable when you consider that our gang has saved his hide repeatedly and that he traveled all the way from Georgia to Virginia with them.  He could have left at any time if he was truly so fearful of them and I doubt any of them would have cared enough to even try to talk him out of it.  They know what he did and with the exception of Maggie, who'd understandably just had enough of him at the time, no one's ever thrown it back in his face.

 

It's interesting that there is an element of truth to what he was saying, but he had to frame in a lot of babbling about Satan and false light, which made it all sound like the ramblings of a person who's mind had finally snapped.  Considering that it's hardly any great secret at this point that everyone who showed up with Rick is suffering from some degree of PTSD, I'm anxious to see if that's how it was taken or whether Deanna's going to buy into it.

[BrokenRemote]

It's fanservice (and probably Reedus-service), but it's the kind i don't mind. The other bits of fanservice (like the weeping and the self-harm) are what I can do without.

I will say I would have been happier if Aaron or Carol or Michonne had been on the back. (not in a shippy way, just in a fun way)

Yes, I more tend to roll my eyes and laugh, but this particular shot was just so heavy-handed in how obvious it was. It was like they posed it for the "ASZ Daryl with Bike and Crossbow Accessory" action figure.

[Nashville]

What did Aiden say to Glenn before he died? I couldn't understand it.

 

A couple of episodes back, Aiden and Nicholas had said their previous run crew had gotten killed because "they" (the others in the run crew) had panicked.

Before Noah pulled Glenn away and Aiden became a Walker Buffet, Aiden confessed to Glenn that he (Aiden) and Nicholas were the ones who had panicked and deserted the others in a tight situation - leaving them to die at the hands of the walkers.

[lasandi]

Awww, I felt so sad for Noah......everybody ate Chris!

[Armchair Critic]

A couple of episodes back, Aiden and Nicholas had said their previous run crew had gotten killed because "they" (the others in the run crew) had panicked.

Before Noah pulled Glenn away and Aiden became a Walker Buffet, Aiden confessed to Glenn that he (Aiden) and Nicholas were the ones who had panicked and deserted the others in a tight situation - leaving them to die at the hands of the walkers.

 

THANK YOU Nashville. That is why I love to come here after my shows.

[BrokenRemote]

A couple of episodes back, Aiden and Nicholas had said their previous run crew had gotten killed because "they" (the others in the run crew) had panicked.

Before Noah pulled Glenn away and Aiden became a Walker Buffet, Aiden confessed to Glenn that he (Aiden) and Nicholas were the ones who had panicked and deserted the others in a tight situation - leaving them to die at the hands of the walkers.

What's weird to me is that in another scene we're hearing Abe get told that's how it's done. "Tell them about our system, Francine." So is it their "system" that everyone fends for themselves and if you get left behind, too bad? And if it is, why did Nicholas and Aiden lie about their actions?

[Dodginblue]

They definitely have to get better at learning when it's hopeless and putting injured people out of their missy. It was obvious from Aiden's wounds that he wasn't going to make it. If they'd managed to de-impale him, his abdominal wound probably would have bled our before they got him to the van.

I loved how Glenn impressed Aiden and Nicholas by being able to tell the walkers in the warehouse were trapped behind something.

They definitely have to get better at learning when it's hopeless and putting injured people out of their missy. It was obvious from Aiden's wounds that he wasn't going to make it. If they'd managed to de-impale him, his abdominal wound probably would have bled our before they got him to the van.

I loved how Glenn impressed Aiden and Nicholas by being able to tell the walkers in the warehouse were trapped behind something.

 

And if Aiden had listened to Glenn and stopped shooting at the soldier the grenade wouldn't have gone off and Aiden wouldn't have ended up impaled.  

 

You're probably right, Aiden was probably a goner either way but I don't think there's any way Noah and Glenn could have killed him with the other ASZer there.  He would have definitely used that against them.  And then after he ran off and Glen and Noah were still trying to help Aiden, they just ran out of time.  And maybe it's just really hard to take people out who are still alive even when rationally you know that they're goners and are about to get munched by walkers.

[Madding crowd]

Sad and very intense episode. Knowing Steven was going to be on TD, I was very worried about him in that revolving door. I was coming to really like Noah too. Well done scene. I guess I don't really understand how these people lived well for two years and then everything they do is now fraught with danger because CDB is around. Did they never have problems on the construction site before? Did they never go somewhere with a lot of walkers to get supplies? Why is this happening now?

 

I know we are supposed to think the ASZ are really stupid and our guys are really smart, but who was living in comfort and well fed for two years and who was sleeping in the woods, almost eaten and surviving on squirrels and acorns? So, I wish they would be a bit more restrained in portraying the ASZ as people who would be Zombie chow if they ever did anything outside the walls, doesn't fit with their lifestyle.

 

Didn't understand FPP's speech, the bible ripping or his general part in this show. If he is only serving as a way for Deanna to figure out that CDB brings about death, then yeah he is right. But I don't know why he would do that since he wanted to be safe and he is. I do find Deanna interesting and the actress does a good job. I'm not ready to call her a moron though, she built up a pretty good community that appeared to have few losses prior to the arrival of our group.

 

I don't like hard ass Carol too much anymore and not interested in yet another psycho kid. And why is the town doctor always drinking? Would people really trust him to take care of their families? And if Rick kills him, it shouldn't be because he is attracted to Jessie. And why are they wasting time on owl sculptures? Who cares if someone smashes the darn thing.

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[nodorothyparker]

They were given two houses for what were 14 people.  I'd be curious to see how they decided who was going with who.  If Daryl still hasn't taken a shower yet, there may have been a drawing of the straws.

[Glaze Crazy]

Although I think Father Gabriel came unhinged long before Rick & Co showed up to save him, he was living similar to the folks in Alexandria, hiding behind walls and avoiding the whole ZA thing as much as possible.  Then a group of hardened fighters save him and subsequently take over and defile his safe place, his church.  So even though he knows his life was saved by Rick's group, he also sees them as some sort of evil dark horde.  So I get why he felt the need to tell Deanna about them that way.  That said, I hope his words don't have any impact in the bigger scheme of things.  I'm glad Maggie heard him talking to Deanna and that she can let her group know about it.

 

That the Alexandria folks cut and run when in trouble, leaving behind any stragglers, is probably not so much a defined action as just a reaction whenever they get into bad situations.  I think that's what Nicholas was saying to Aiden when he left him on the stake wall.  They don't know how to fight or to work around the times when they need to get past walkers, so it comes down to a matter of survival of the fittest, so to speak.  I think the fact that Rick & Co have stronger survival skills is both a help and a danger to the Alexandra folks, since Rick can easily do what he said a couple episodes ago, take this place.  I'm hoping that they can find some way to both strengthen the town folk and build the community inside the walls.

 

Sad to see Noah go, what a gruesome death and that Glenn had to watch it through the glass.  Glad to see Eugene step up for his friend Tara.  Hope she makes it.  Go Abraham!  I like that he's found another purpose after Eugene yanked that rug out from under him on the road.

Edited March 16, 2015 by Glaze Crazy

[Boofish]

Die ASZholes, the sooner the better

[iRarelyWatchTV36]

Wow.  This episode had it all, except for sexy times.  I can't even truly articulate my impressions right now.  So, these are the bullet points;

 

-  Even though I wouldn't be upset with the Rick/Jessie pairing;  we get it Show.  They got the hots for each other.  Waste of a couple minutes tonight that would have been better suited elsewhere, IMO.

 

-  Most people called it; Porch Dick is another "Ed".

 

-  Despite Scarol's craziness of a scare tactic last week, Sam comes running back.  How F'd up is that Anderson household!?

 

-  Not a surprise, but ASZ is full of "everyone for themselves" cowards, when the chips are down.  Nicholas can die in a fire while being eaten alive

 

-  Heroic Eugene!  Yay!!   (I think that deserves a free peak w/o the commentary this time, don't you, Rosita & Abe?)

 

-  That's why you don't be a self-admitted douche, Aiden.  You don't go out pretty.

 

-  NOOOOOah!!!   I know this show is gruesomely graphic, but that death scene was absolutely brutally horrific.  The ripping of the cheek?   First time in a long time I wanted to turn my head.  Ugh.

 

-  Carol, why don't YOU kill Pete?  I mean, this is more your field of expertise after all;  dealing with shitty husbands.

 

-  Was Abe contemplating suicide?  Just amping himself up for whatever??  Didn't quite get his stuff tonight, pre-walker attack.

 

-  Gabriel, Gabriel, Gabriel.  Trying to go against Rick?  Have you been paying attention, like at all!?   Good luck with that, padre!

Edited March 16, 2015 by iRarelyWatchTV36

[lulee]

What's weird to me is that in another scene we're hearing Abe get told that's how it's done. "Tell them about our system, Francine." So is it their "system" that everyone fends for themselves and if you get left behind, too bad? And if it is, why did Nicholas and Aiden lie about their actions?

To intimidate the newbies from CDB, I'd guess, and to create a good face. They couldn't say, "Come on a run with us except you might want to know that we screwed up last time and 4 people died."

[Constantinople]

I'm disappointed that Pete's an abusive husband and father.

It seems like such a lazy way to keep Rick as the knight in shining armor.
 

I would agree on this except that we had the abusive husband storyline already with Ed.  Although maybe the story here will be how CDB didn't tolerate it.  Shane beat the crap out of Ed.. Whereas maybe the ASZ folks turn a blind eye like you said.   
 
I certainly hope Rick looks for a little more evidence than just Carol's intuition before he takes Pete out.

Shane didn't beat the crap out of Ed because Ed abused Carol. Shane beat the crap out of Ed because Shane was angry how Lori blew him off after Rick appeared out of nowhere alive and well. Shane took his anger out on Ed because Ed was easy target given his abuse of Carol. Even then, people thought Shane went too far, but CDB certainly tolerated Ed's treatment of Carol.

ETA: Changed "Carol blew him off" to "Lori blew him off" - Thanks DodginBlue

Edited March 16, 2015 by Constantinople

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What's weird to me is that in another scene we're hearing Abe get told that's how it's done. "Tell them about our system, Francine." So is it their "system" that everyone fends for themselves and if you get left behind, too bad? And if it is, why did Nicholas and Aiden lie about their actions?

 

I think their system was their own, in the sense that the members of the construction group decided on it. That smaller band of people decided it was okay to sacrifice others if there was a threat. Yet ASZ people probably wouldn't have been happy about that, so they kept it to themselves. Same with Aiden. Because the ASZers are cowardly self-involved individuals, they lean toward actions that save their own asses, not others. So this is something decided in the small work groups, but not advertised or mentioned to the ASZ camp as a whole. That's how I see it.

[Dodginblue]

Sad and very intense episode. Knowing Steven was going to be on TD, I was very worried about him in that revolving door. I was coming to really like Noah too. Well done scene. I guess I don't really understand how these people lived well for two years and then everything they do is now fraught with danger because CDB is around. Did they never have problems on the construction site before? Did they never go somewhere with a lot of walkers to get supplies? Why is this happening now?

 

I know we are supposed to think the ASZ are really stupid and our guys are really smart, but who was living in comfort and well fed for two years and who was sleeping in the woods, almost eaten and surviving on squirrels and acorns? So, I wish they would be a bit more restrained in portraying the ASZ as people who would be Zombie chow if they ever did anything outside the walls, doesn't fit with their lifestyle.

 

Didn't understand FPP's speech, the bible ripping or his general part in this show. If he is only serving as a way for Deanna to figure out that CDB brings about death, then yeah he is right. But I don't know why he would do that since he wanted to be safe and he is. I do find Deanna interesting and the actress does a good job. I'm not ready to call her a moron though, she built up a pretty good community that appeared to have few losses prior to the arrival of our group.

 

I don't like hard ass Carol too much anymore and not interested in yet another psycho kid. And why is the town doctor always drinking? Would people really trust him to take care of their families? And if Rick kills him, it shouldn't be because he is attracted to Jessie. And why are they wasting time on owl sculptures? Who cares if someone smashes the darn thing.

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Except it seems that the ASZers maybe haven't been doing so well.  They've been losing people because they're not willing to put themselves in harm's way to save anyone else.  

 

Good point on the doctor  If he's really a lush is he really all that valuable to anyone?   

 

I thought Rick did a good job explaining why the owl sculpture being destroyed was worth looking into.  If there's vandalism going on, even on something that was kind of meaningless, it might lead to worse things (the broken windows theory of policing) and shouldn't just be ignored.