Sweet Fellowship: Duggars and Friends (aka the Bates Family and Other Featured Families Thread)

[sixlets]

1 hour ago, Cinnabon said:

If she and her husband were truly that scared, they wouldn’t have flown thousands of miles to the other side of the country. Maybe they should have been recording exactly what the doctors in the ER were telling them instead of posting to millions of strangers on SM.

What I took from the video posted, it sounds like the blood levels came up high enough for the doctor to say it was ok for her fly.  Would I personally do it, no.  To me, it sounded like they took the advice of the doctor who saw her in the ER. 

And now, if she is truly wearing the heart monitor, that would go anywhere from 24 hours to 14 days, depending on the cardiologist.  You send the monitor back to the manufacturer company, they do the readout and report the info to your doctor.  I sent mine back on 4/13, and they just got the results a few days before my 5/2 follow up.  An echo would need to be scheduled, and again, that takes time.  The table test might be her most difficult.  Not every hospital has one.  Maryland only has 2, and it just so happened one of those is my hospital.  They also need time to schedule and then another cardiologist will read it before sending it on to your cardiologist.  If this is what's going on, she's going to have a journey because everything takes time.

[GeeGolly]

Posting pics like this shows what tools these two are.

[Cinnabon]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Posting pics like this shows what tools these two are.

And she’s in full makeup, I just saw a color picture on Reddit. Lipstick, eyeshadow, liner, mascara, eyebrows, foundation, the whole works. The handful of times I’ve been sick enough to go to the ER, I was too sick for all of that. 

Edited May 18, 2022 by Cinnabon

[Tdoc72]

3 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

It's possible she was given meds this trip to the ER. She was still there when they made their video.  We just don't know, because they don't give us every single detail of her prognosis, likely because it's unknown. Additionally, C&E probably don't understand half of what's being said. They don't seem to have another way to convey what's happening other than to say she's seizing. They've described what happens to her, and her symptoms are bizarre. But seizures? I'm not sure. 

Hopefully, the ER visit yields referrals to the specialists she needs to see sooner rather than later.

She said in the video that she was given anti-seizure meds in the ambulance.  

24 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

And she’s in full makeup, I just saw a color picture on Reddit. Lipstick, eyeshadow, liner, mascara, eyebrows, foundation, the whole works. The handful of times I’ve been sick enough to go to the ER, I was too sick for all of that. 

She was taken by ambulance from a baseball game.  She was out for the night.  She didn’t put on makeup to go to the hospital. Her eyeliner was smudged at one point but she may have touched it up if she was feeling better while waiting to hear from the dr. 

Edited May 18, 2022 by Tdoc72

[Lisa418722]

I do hope they find out why Carlin keeps on having these episodes, but I am wondering why she didn't end up in the ER while in California.  As far as the hospital not having the equipment needed. I'm not sure which hospital the ambulance took her to, but a lot of the smaller hospitals in the area don't have the technology. When everything started with my dad, he was transferred to St. Thomas Hospital in Nashville because they had the technology and equipment more than the hospital in my hometown.  Also, Carlin grew up using the ER as a doctor (but I will say with these fainting episodes they need to get her the ER as quickly as possible).  

[merylinkid]

3 hours ago, Tdoc72 said:

She was taken by ambulance from a baseball game.

so its not her just deciding to go to the ER rather than see her PCP, if she even has one.   If she passed out at a baseball game, they are calling an ambulance.   She could refuse it.   But given that she has an undiagnosed condition getting treatment for whatever happened at that moment is probably not a bad idea.   

She might not even have a PCP.   A lot of people don't because their insurance SUCKS.   Even if they have insurance, the copays might be terrible.   So they just wait until something is serious enough to go to urgent care or the ER.   Which yes you get charged for that, but lots of hospitals have programs for low income people.   Or you work out a payment plan.   

As for going to the wedding in California, I can see her putting all her energy into it because its her brother getting married.   It wasn't the usual fundie wedding at a church with punch and cookies afterwards.   That she just pushed through somehow.   Then when she got home, it all hit her.

People with chronic conditions have good and bad days.   And sometimes, it catches up with you if you over do it on your good days.

[MargeGunderson]

7 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

If they’re making videos in the damn ER, it would seem that it’s not quite that serious. Who does that? Other than Jill R, lol.

Oh, I think they would be making videos in the ER even if it was serious. They can’t stay off of SM for even a second. It’s ridiculous.

[crazy8s]

14 minutes ago, MargeGunderson said:

Oh, I think they would be making videos in the ER even if it was serious. They can’t stay off of SM for even a second. It’s ridiculous.

it's almost like you can hear their brains connecting ER visit and Oh Yes! here's our content for the next few posts.

[GeeGolly]

17 minutes ago, MargeGunderson said:

Oh, I think they would be making videos in the ER even if it was serious. They can’t stay off of SM for even a second. It’s ridiculous.

I agree. They are totally sucked in. This sadly is their reality.

[farmgal4]

15 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

And Mr Keller just wrote a letter to the judge in support of Josh . . . 🤦‍♀️

Can you imagine writing a letter of support for the asshole who cheated on your daughter and whose actions have basically ruined the lives of her and your grandchildren?  That’s just beyond f’ed up IMO.  These people are insane.

[SMama]

One thing both C&E recall is Carlin telling him “don’t let them take me away,” about the ambulance. When they were leaving the hospital she told Evan “next time don’t let them take me away.” It doesn’t seem like Carlin was happy to have another ambulance ride. It triggered me because I had a neurological condition that took a year of tests and hospitalizations. Many times I would ask my husband if we could just sneak out and no one would notice. Being a professional pin cushion is no fun. I really hope they can get a diagnosis and treatment. There are two babies who need their mom. Nice of Kelly to drop everything to be by her daughter’s side. Although Carlin and the babies are better off in Nashville. 

Edited May 18, 2022 by SMama

[ALittleShelfish]

10 hours ago, iwantcookies said:

Guess that’s the $ she spent on their date. Notice they didn’t even take 1 kid to be fed…

 

Thank you for this - it sent me down the MLM compensation plan rabbit hole!  Plexus doesn't have a recent compensation chart, but our girl Jillybean can't be raking in the big bucks.  She might be doing alright for someone who does this for some extra spending money but this is unlikely a full time income for her.  I could be super wrong though, maybe she has enough of a following that want to join under her and support her by "selling" to themselves as their "personal volume" requirement.  Senior Gold level does require some constant maintenance with her downline, so maybe so!

I'll be here all day.  In the rabbit hole, that is.  The Venn Diagram of MLM members and religious cults *fascinates* me.  Do we know of any other Duggar-adjacents who are (or have been) slinging MLM products?  

[GeeGolly]

Josie Bates Balka. Interesting beachwear. 🤣

[SMama]

2 minutes ago, ALittleShelfish said:

Do we know of any other Duggar-adjacents who are (or have been) slinging MLM products?  

I don’t know if she counts but Audrey Roloff is doing very well with Young Living. If you look at her insta they spent a week in Maui, with the three kids, on YL’s dime. She took pictures of the posters with her level on it but I don’t recall what it is. BTW, Jinger tried to shill YL in her half assed way. 

[SMama]

9 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Josie Bates Balka. Interesting beachwear. 🤣

That is not what they wore to the wedding, wonder when this was taken. Then again these fundies love their photoshoots.

[GeeGolly]

2 minutes ago, SMama said:

That is not what they wore to the wedding, wonder when this was taken. Then again these fundies love their photoshoots.

All part of the influencer life.

[Notabug]

11 hours ago, sixlets said:

Please do not take my post personally.  It was just the one that jumped out the most.  When a person is dealing with POTS or similar symptoms, the last thing for anyone to say it's *just mental health issues or anxiety*.  Many of the experiences that POTS patients deal with have nothing do with mental health or anxiety in the least.  They are physical.  For her going to the ER before seeing a specialist may be due to her insurance.  Mr. Six & I have an insurance where referrals are not needed and we can self-refer.  Not every company has that option.  If she were to show up at her PCP or urgent care, she would have likely got sent to the ER anyway.  As for the trip to CA for Lawson's wedding-she could have had enough fluids in the ER to lessen her symptoms and make it easier to go. Right now, no one knows exactly what's going on with Carlin.  But, please take it from someone who understands.  I can tell you she's frustrated, tired, and very, very scared, and she wants answers.  Like I mentioned briefly, I'm not a fan of this family at all.  But, my heart is breaking for Carlin if this is her true diagnosis.  There are no cures, only treatments.  And, you may end having multiple medical disciplines taking care of one person. This is a real disease.  A real physical disease.  Not every disease or condition has a psychology component.  
 

I'm sorry, I did not mean to offend.  My remarks were intended specifically to Carlin and her situation and my impression of her based on what I've seen on TV and social media.  She seems to be a very high strung (my mom loved that phrase) person who tends to be easily unnerved.  She also seems to be someone who enjoys being the center of attention.  There is no doubt that there is a mind-body connection in all illnesses and some people are simply wired to cope while others are not.  Carlin does not seem to me to have very good coping skills in general and I think she is therefore likely to jump to the worst case scenario, panic, and go to the ER in situations where others would not.  That doesn't mean something isn't wrong with her.  It does, however, mean that she is perhaps going to have a longer path to getting the help she needs as it seems pretty clear that whatever is going on with her is outside of the ER's purview.  This is why people need a regular personal physician, IMO, someone who can guide them, who knows them, who can help them get appointments with specialists in more timely fashion.  Carlin also needs to stop putting all this stuff up on social media because it seems that the comments she gets are only going to fuel her anxiety about the whole thing which will only exacerbate the problems she is having.

I don't have a problem with Carlin's speculation that she might be having seizures.  She's not a medical person and it seems like, when she has her episodes, she does some things that might indicate a seizure.  Since the ER hasn't kept her and she hasn't been placed on anti-seizure meds, I think the ER staff doesn't think that that's what'shappening here.

[farmgal4]

12 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Carlin's update. She was at the ER again today after passing out again, this time with seizures. This is the 4th time in about 10 days. The hospital where she ended up at couldn't do an EEG, so she has to see a neurologist. She also mentioned POTS, so that's on their radar, and they're going to see a cardiologist. 

She's really ill. What a mess. 

She certainly looks ill.  Honestly, she looked white as a sheet at the wedding last week.  Their first child has had health problems as well, right?  Maybe God is trying to tell them that they shouldn’t have a passel of kids.  I hope Carlin’s problem is easily fixed.

[farmgal4]

12 hours ago, Notabug said:

I'm not sure why she thinks she needs to keep going back to the ER rather than following up with specialists.  If the ER was really concerned that there was something significantly wrong with her, she wouldn't have been sent home each and every time.  If she'd shown signs of having had an actual seizure, they would've probably admitted her.  Chances are, it wasn't a seizure.  Interesting, too, that she just recently spent multiple days gallivanting around California without a single 'episode' but has now had 4 of them in the first day or so after returning home.

I think she may well have a physical condition underlying some of her symptoms, but it looks like there is also a significant emotional component to her problems.

I remember well when Carlin had her wisdom teeth removed on Bring Up Bates.  2 or 3 of her siblings had their wisdom teeth extracted at the same time, but there was drama associated with only one of them.  Guess which one?  It was ridiculous and it had nothing to do with problems with the procedure.  The drama was that Carlin was a huge drama queen and demanded all the attention.  I’m not saying that’s what’s happening now; I’m just saying that’s her history.

[Notabug]

2 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

I remember well when Carlin had her wisdom teeth removed on Bring Up Bates.  2 or 3 of her siblings had their wisdom teeth extracted at the same time, but there was drama associated with only one of them.  Guess which one?  It was ridiculous and it had nothing to do with problems with the procedure.  The drama was that Carlin was a huge drama queen and demanded all the attention.  I’m not saying that’s what’s happening now; I’m just saying that’s her history.

That's all I was trying to say, too.  In addition, with the cancellation of the show, I do think that a substantial portion of her income is from social media and every time she posts about one of her episodes and the aftermath, she gets huge numbers.  Not that that is the only reason she goes to the ER, but, I bet she's gotten more views for those posts than virtually anything else she's posted including the birth of her latest kid.  So, going to the ER and stressing the seriousness of her condition and symptoms is also probably very helpful for the family's bottom line.  Hence, it's why they could afford to fly out to California for the wedding and run out and purchase clothing for their children rather than pack the right stuff.  Their lifestyle is not cheap.

[Heathen]

13 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

I find this whole situation questionable as well. They must have really great insurance if she’s gone to the ER multiple times and had quite a few tests. Those visits likely cost tens of thousands of dollars. What kind of a deductible do they have?

And yes, she seems incredibly dim. Traveling across the country when she was allegedly that seriously ill? Hmmmmm. Probably maskless on crowded flights when Covid numbers have been increasing? Getting Covid (again?) on top of whatever illness she already has could be very dangerous. 

And multiple seizures? Was she actually unconscious and flailing during them? I too wonder if she knows what seizures actually are. 
 

 

Depends on what it is. Does she have a regular PCP? I’m sure they would have referred her to a specialist asap.

Not all seizures are the "unconscious and flailing" type. 

Carlin is for sure a dingbat, IMO. So are most of the Bateses. 

[Notabug]

51 minutes ago, Heathen said:

Not all seizures are the "unconscious and flailing" type. 

Carlin is for sure a dingbat, IMO. So are most of the Bateses. 

True, but that is kinda what Carlin described, that she fell to the floor unconscious and was lying on the floor shaking for half an hour.  She seemed to be describing a tonic-clonic type generalized seizure, not something focal.  I am sure that Carlin herself knows virtually nothing about seizures, let alone that there are various types.

I think it is also a little concerning that, after arriving at the ER via squad, having had something like 6 of these terrifying events in a week; that Carlin's first thought was to reapply her makeup and start taking selfies and videos with her husband, grinning like an idiot on the ER cart.  Don't think the ER staff didn't notice that and, that, being human, decided that this woman couldn't be all that sick.  Most people do not go from having generalized seizures to posting selfies online in perfect makeup within an hour or two-or even a day or two in many cases.  If she keeps going back to the same ER, I suspect they're all just a bit tired of her circus.  If you want to be taken seriously as a patient, don't turn your medical problems into entertainment for the masses seems a good rule to follow.

 

Edited May 18, 2022 by Notabug

[emmawoodhouse]

She was given anti-seizure meds in the ambulance and didn't have another episode at the ER, so maybe there is something to that. Evan also said that some levels were elevated, suggesting something neurological. 

I hope they left with a referral in hand and that Carlin can be seen soon. 

It was also noted on the Carlin thread that Kelly posted on Carlin's post this morning. Of course, it's what you would expect. They're praying. Want a quick diagnosis. What I didn't see was Kelly saying she was on her way to Nashville. As usual, she just shows up for the photo ops. 🙄

[farmgal4]

13 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I'm down the middle. I definitely think Carlin has a real issue and they're probably freaking out a little, and they're also a little dim. Who knows what these ERs are telling them and what they understand.

My friend was diagnosed with POTS around 15 years ago. She was admitted for a couple of days after presenting at the ER, but her age might have factored in, as she was in her 40s. But it took her about a year to get a diagnosis.

As @emmawoodhouse said, an infection can kick POTS into gear and so can a recent pregnancy. Not only did Carlin have covid two years ago, but I believe she had it this past Christmas as well. POTS, EDS and MCAS have been doing awareness campaigns a lot in the past few years, so I'm not surprised they mentioned it.

Josie's husband Kelton seems to run a legit business and I'm guessing they offer a health insurance plan, but ER co-pays are still usually in the hundreds.

Poor Whitney, first Erin gets sick and now Carlin. I guess Kelly will need to step up her time at the dress shop.

From what I understand about seizures is they can be almost unnoticeable to actual convulsions and a few different ways in between.

What kind of illness does Erin have?

Edited May 18, 2022 by farmgal4
Removed a letter

[farmgal4]

11 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Posting pics like this shows what tools these two are.

Both of them need a couple of bags of IV fluids, because it’s apparent that they’re extremely thirsty. 🤳🏻😒

[SMama]

10 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

What kind of illness does Erin have?

Erin had COVID and that is when her time at the Boutique was reduced. It seems she had long COVID effects.

[emmawoodhouse]

10 minutes ago, SMama said:

Erin had COVID and that is when her time at the Boutique was reduced. It seems she had long COVID effects.

She also had the issue with her ladyparts. She had one full ovary and like half of the other removed. Her latest baby was a "miracle baby," although I am sure she'll have a couple more before she goes into menopause.

[iwantcookies]

Remember when Jill R applied full makeup on Nuri and not Nuri after their car accident?

Some women are that vain.

[iwantcookies]

47 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

Both of them need a couple of bags of IV fluids, because it’s apparent that they’re extremely thirsty. 🤳🏻😒

Look how pretty we are ! Jealous ?

Edited May 18, 2022 by iwantcookies

[peppergal]

3 hours ago, ALittleShelfish said:

Thank you for this - it sent me down the MLM compensation plan rabbit hole!  Plexus doesn't have a recent compensation chart, but our girl Jillybean can't be raking in the big bucks.  She might be doing alright for someone who does this for some extra spending money but this is unlikely a full time income for her.  I

I did find the 2021 disclosures here:  https://static.plexusworldwide.com/cdn/2021-comp-plan-full-overview-en-us.pdf

They don't have a handy dandy little chart like they used to, but this stood out

[Heathen]

46 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

She also had the issue with her ladyparts. She had one full ovary and like half of the other removed. Her latest baby was a "miracle baby," although I am sure she'll have a couple more before she goes into menopause.

Miracle baby with help from a fertility specialist, or she lied about having partial ovaries. Or both. She's a fundie so it's a good bet that lying is involved. 

[emmawoodhouse]

2 minutes ago, Heathen said:

Miracle baby with help from a fertility specialist, or she lied about having partial ovaries. Or both. She's a fundie so it's a good bet that lying is involved. 

Maybe. It's k own that ovaries hyper ovulate when a situation like Erin's happens. They kept the partial ovary to stave off menopause, but she claims that she is nonetheless headed in that direction. I guess it's a matter of how long it will take that will determine how many more miracle babies she can have.

[ALittleShelfish]

1 hour ago, peppergal said:

I did find the 2021 disclosures here:  https://static.plexusworldwide.com/cdn/2021-comp-plan-full-overview-en-us.pdf

They don't have a handy dandy little chart like they used to, but this stood out

Thank you! That was what I found after my post.  I, too, was looking for the handy dandy chart that MLMs are required to post.  I don't follow JillR on any socials, but she doesn't seem the type to post the general copypasta the other "ambassadors" post.  Mostly because none of that stuff has her extremely filtered close up picture.  

"50% of the Top 10% made more than $960 (annually)."  That's not a lot of Olive Garden for them.  Not even for GWE alone lol

As for the ones who've shilled Young Living (did someone say it was Jinger? Jill?)... I wonder how they feel about the founder (allegedly) killing his newborn.  I'm not super "up" on IBLP rules but I would guess "baby killer" wouldn't be up on high on their list of people to support?  Again, that's a whole world I don't understand living in, so maybe I'm wrong lol

I'll take further MLM/religious cult talk over to the prayer closet but did want to thank @peppergal for posting that graphic.  

[xwordfanatik]

1 hour ago, peppergal said:

I did find the 2021 disclosures here:  https://static.plexusworldwide.com/cdn/2021-comp-plan-full-overview-en-us.pdf

They don't have a handy dandy little chart like they used to, but this stood out

Now I wonder if any of these types of MLM people keep track of the hours involved and figuring what they make, per hour?  If the top average is 37 grand yearly, what would be their average hourly earning rate?  Somehow I think that they have to put in over 40 hours a week bothering their downline and inundating any family or friends with sales pitches.  I know it wouldn't be worth it to me.

Jilldo probably tells her "team" that Jesus loves it when they line her (Jill's) pockets with money.  I also think she spends not a dime of "her" earnings on those underfed kids of hers.  Selfish to the (rotten) core.  It's all about "dates" with that slug of a husband.

Sad.

[BradandJanet]

Doesn't JIll end up buying her own product when her sales figures slump? I don't think the company cares where the money comes from as long as somebody is buying. 

It's ironic that someone who can't afford to feed her children properly sells overpriced supplements and magic creams to other people who can't afford them either. I wonder if Nurie got pressured into being part of Jill's downline. Maybe Nathan finally put his foot down. I hope Jonathan can keep Kaylee out of Plexus World, but poor guy is not looking very headshipy these days. Jill has him squarely under her fat, badly manicured thumb, right where she wants him. 

Edited May 18, 2022 by BradandJanet

[SMama]

30 minutes ago, BradandJanet said:

 I wonder if Nurie got pressured into being part of Jill's downline. Maybe Nathan finally put his foot down. I hope Jonathan can keep Kaylee out of Plexus World, but poor guy is not looking very headshiply these days. Jill has him squarely under her fat, badly manicured thumb, right where she wants him. 

If Nuri did drop out it would explain BME’s digs about her daughter being so far away. Also the comment about people filling in gaps. The best thing Jonathan’s parents could do for their son is remind him of his headship status (something I loathe but they follow) and have him return to his previous job.  Kayleigh will just have to leave and cleave. BME won’t allow another slave to leave and cleave if she can help it. Otherwise K&J will continue living in that dreadful, unsafe basement while using their disposable income keeping Jill happy by being her downline. 

[sixlets]

6 hours ago, Notabug said:

I'm sorry, I did not mean to offend.  My remarks were intended specifically to Carlin and her situation and my impression of her based on what I've seen on TV and social media.  She seems to be a very high strung (my mom loved that phrase) person who tends to be easily unnerved.  She also seems to be someone who enjoys being the center of attention.  There is no doubt that there is a mind-body connection in all illnesses and some people are simply wired to cope while others are not.  Carlin does not seem to me to have very good coping skills in general and I think she is therefore likely to jump to the worst case scenario, panic, and go to the ER in situations where others would not.  That doesn't mean something isn't wrong with her.  It does, however, mean that she is perhaps going to have a longer path to getting the help she needs as it seems pretty clear that whatever is going on with her is outside of the ER's purview.  This is why people need a regular personal physician, IMO, someone who can guide them, who knows them, who can help them get appointments with specialists in more timely fashion.  Carlin also needs to stop putting all this stuff up on social media because it seems that the comments she gets are only going to fuel her anxiety about the whole thing which will only exacerbate the problems she is having.

I don't have a problem with Carlin's speculation that she might be having seizures.  She's not a medical person and it seems like, when she has her episodes, she does some things that might indicate a seizure.  Since the ER hasn't kept her and she hasn't been placed on anti-seizure meds, I think the ER staff doesn't think that that's what's happening here.

I apologize as well.  I agree with everything you said about Carlin.  Your mom was right on with the 'high strung'!  I'm not far enough removed from my own recent diagnosis that some things hit a little more deeply than usual.  I recognize the privilege of having damn good insurance, save for the $3000 individual deductible.  I'm also grateful to live where we do.  My hospital system is nationally recognized, and more than likely, I will end up at Johns Hopkins some time next year.  (The specialist is currently booked 9+ months out as he's the only one in the entire state).  I think for the time being, I need to focus on Jilly-bean's shitshow instead of Carlin's.  At least for the safety of my own health 😋

[Lisa418722]

For those who watch "This Is Us" did anyone think of JillRod last night?  They were talking about Jack and Rebecca going to California on their 3rd date and Edie said Nicky took her to Olive Garden for their 3rd date.  I asked the TV, "but was it the GOOD Olive Garden?" 

Edited May 19, 2022 by Lisa418722

[Absolom]

8 hours ago, Notabug said:

There is no doubt that there is a mind-body connection in all illnesses and some people are simply wired to cope while others are not. 

I'm going to have to disagree with that one.  I have a couple where I'm experiencing the mind body connection as I type and I'm on my plan to handle it. 

I have a couple others where what my mind does or doesn't do has zip to do with what the disease does.  

[GeeGolly]

I think there's more than one way to look at mind body connection.

Having a baby for instance; I have some control of my response to pain, but the baby is coming out regardless of what my mind is doing.

Or anxiety - with PTSD the body can physically react to triggers long before the mind even notices any triggers in the environment. But the opposite is also true - the mind (mis)interprets a situation and then the body reacts.

[Absolom]

6 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

She also had the issue with her ladyparts. She had one full ovary and like half of the other removed. Her latest baby was a "miracle baby," although I am sure she'll have a couple more before she goes into menopause.

My mother had similar surgery when she was in her late teens.  She had one miracle baby and I'm typing this.  That was before IVF, but Erin's chances of more kids are vastly, vastly reduced.  They can't afford IVF so their only chance is drugs and her hormone levels were shown to be heading toward menopausal levels.   Drugs and IVF can't change that.

5 hours ago, Heathen said:

Miracle baby with help from a fertility specialist

I'm 90% sure some doctor prescribed drugs.  

[farmgal4]

JRod is on SM bragging that people are constantly asking her how to raise godly children.  It’s a nonstop ego stroke with that holier-than-thou witch.

[Zella]

5 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

JRod is on SM bragging that people are constantly asking her how to raise godly children.  It’s a nonstop ego stroke with that holier-than-thou witch.

Is it the voices in her head asking?

[SMama]

3 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

JRod is on SM bragging that people are constantly asking her how to raise godly children.  It’s a nonstop ego stroke with that holier-than-thou witch.

I think she’s misunderstanding. People are constantly asking her how she’s managed to raise SEVERELY undernourished children, while she and GWE are so well fed. 

[riverblue22]

I can cut Carlin some slack on the ER postings.  I was in the ER four times last year (problems solved) but it can be very boring laying around waiting for this test and that test.  At least social media gave them something to do while they waited.

[satrunrose]

10 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Josie Bates Balka. Interesting beachwear. 🤣

As a hapless heathen woman without a headship, can just give a big shout out to Josie? I often find myself convinced by satan to wear my sluttish grapefruit patterned capris and a manly hoodie around the house. I have even been known to go to the beach in a tankini, sarong and cover-up. Clearly, I needed Lord Daniel to send me this goodly model of modesty to emulate. Thank you Josie!!!

Soooo much sarcasm.

[iwantcookies]

JRods godly offspring was playing instruments and listening to Christian cds. Jill claimed she was cooking dinner. All the audience saw was a close up of clown Jill and her kitchen. She didn’t even show the dinner she was cooking. 
 

She keeps bragging how wonderful and obedient her kids are.

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JRod really likes to brag how perfect/wonderful Christian family they are. She is laying it on too thick.

In the date video she calls David (something along the lines): handsome face, what a handsome husband I have. 
 

Any of you constantly video tape everything? I don’t. Only if it’s really interesting. JRod dragging her kids on a walk is not video worthy. 

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16 hours ago, merylinkid said:

so its not her just deciding to go to the ER rather than see her PCP, if she even has one.   If she passed out at a baseball game, they are calling an ambulance.   She could refuse it.   But given that she has an undiagnosed condition getting treatment for whatever happened at that moment is probably not a bad idea.   

She might not even have a PCP.   A lot of people don't because their insurance SUCKS.   Even if they have insurance, the copays might be terrible.   So they just wait until something is serious enough to go to urgent care or the ER.   Which yes you get charged for that, but lots of hospitals have programs for low income people.   Or you work out a payment plan.   

As for going to the wedding in California, I can see her putting all her energy into it because its her brother getting married.   It wasn't the usual fundie wedding at a church with punch and cookies afterwards.   That she just pushed through somehow.   Then when she got home, it all hit her.

People with chronic conditions have good and bad days.   And sometimes, it catches up with you if you over do it on your good days.

Are they really “”low income” though? She seems to buy a lot of new clothes and makeup, and take lots of trips. And continue to have kids . . 

16 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I agree. They are totally sucked in. This sadly is their reality.

Seems like that’s not very “modest” to me, lol.

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13 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Josie Bates Balka. Interesting beachwear. 🤣

Those pants on her husband, yikes. 😆