Sweet Fellowship: Duggars and Friends (aka the Bates Family and Other Featured Families Thread)

[ginger90]

The word of the day, POOF!

Hallie’s post and the one she replied to are gone. Grandma’s post is also gone. 

 

[Liddy52]

26 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

Whoever predicted this picture would soon become a Plexus advertising post hit the nail on the head! 

26 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

Whoever predicted this picture would soon become a Plexus advertising post hit the nail on the head! 

26 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

Whoever predicted this picture would soon become a Plexus advertising post hit the nail on the head! 

[ginger90]

Jill has a new reel which includes an explanation of this picture.

[farmgal4]

8 hours ago, CalicoKitty said:

Thanks @Notabug.  Jill really thinks she runs the show.  Does she even know that she can post a picture without comments??  She really thinks she is the center of the universe and the leader of morals.

Look up the term “Holier than thou” and Jill’s picture is right beside of it.

[crazy8s]

8 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

Yes she does. I love that Heidi's mom and grandma are pushing back. That's so awesome.

Not only are they Heidi's mom and grandma but both are also in Jill's plexus downline.

[Notabug]

35 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

The word of the day, POOF!

Hallie’s post and the one she replied to are gone. Grandma’s post is also gone. 

 

Wonder if Jill also unfriended and blocked them as is her custom.  If so, the gloves are off, the lines are set and the battle has begun.

26 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Jill has a new reel which includes an explanation of this picture.

I hope Ellen had a mini-bar bottle of Jack in her purse to ‘elevate’ the cocktails. Probably not, but a girl can dream.

[Lady Edith]

This is going to be an epic battle and I AM HERE FOR IT!!!  So happy that Timmy has married into a sane, non-performative, loving family!  I just hope that they can help undo the lifetime of shit Jillzilla put into Timothy’s head. 

[GeeGolly]

So Jill deleted the polite posts with opinions that differ from hers. How Christian of her.

Some folks have sex before marriage and some don't. Deleting the opposing opinion doesn't make it go away, it just shows how Jill is unaccepting of others.

Didn't that non-Christian, non-White dude, who Jill prays to, promote embracing and supporting all?

[ginger90]

3 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

So Jill deleted the polite posts with opinions that differ from hers. How Christian of her.

Some folks have sex before marriage and some don't. Deleting the opposing opinion doesn't make it go away, it just shows how Jill is unaccepting of others.

 

Hypocrisy:

 

Remember this from August 12th?

 

“The social media arena can be a great place to spread truth and God's principles, but also a brutal place. & When you open yourself up to the "world's" criticism, it can be hard. We know where we stand, and why we stand there. Nevertheless, we sometimes yearn for that privacy we possessed before the days of smart phones, internet, etc. 😬”

 

Go back Jill, go way back.

 

August 11th:

“Cyber Bullying and bearing false witness against our neighbor is at an all time HIGH in our world today.  😥  Let's make sure we speak TRUTH of others!  Let's be energy givers, not takers.  Let's love others as ourselves.  Let's lift up others, not tear them down.  😉

Matthew 22:39b......"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

Exodus 20:16  "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."

Ephesians 4:32 "And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you."

#cyberbullyingmuststop 
#WhatWouldJesusDo”

[BradandJanet]

1 hour ago, Liddy52 said:

Whoever predicted this picture would soon become a Plexus advertising post hit the nail on the head! 

A carefully posed photo taken from an angle and probably filtered to take off years and pounds, who would trust Jill to be truthful about anything?

I have to say, Jill's dress for the wedding is tasteful and attractive. Ellen and Heidi must have picked it out for her and nixed any ideas to add a performative white t-shirt under it.   

[ginger90]

I knew she’d use that picture for Plexus. 

[crazy8s]

Jill made a point of "needing permission" from Tim and Heidi before posting. Then she went from nothing to too much in about 2 days.

I bet they won't give Jill permission again. I hope they don't.

[tarheel220]

18 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

I guess sex becomes an obsession when you marry the first opposite gendered non familiar person who holds your hand and the first time you kiss is very public.    These people are so backwards I am honestly surprised they don’t have a bedding ceremony.

Don't give them ideas. 🤣

[oliviabenson]

Jill went on a posting spree/fudge the Tim/Heidi boundaries around 3-4 am. Chick doesn’t sleep much does she. She doesn’t care about what other people want to be posted. Jill the bulldozer only cares about her wants. 

[laurakaye]

Jill commenting about her son's "purity" squicks me right out.  She assumes a lot, speaking on behalf of her kid who she is unable to keep tabs on, as he seems to have happily moved away from her smothering.

Again, typical Jill - every time anyone in her vicinity is holding a beverage, she must let us know that the dreaded devil's juice was not part of the recipe.  Does she think that her holy radiance envelopes everyone around her so they are compelled to act as she would?  Man, that is one ginormous ego that woman carries around.

I hope Ellen's got some vodka in her drink.  She earned it.  Being the mother of the bride is exhausting, and having to manage Jill in the process?  I can't imagine.  I would take to my bed for a week once the bride and groom were safely off on their honeymoon.

[mythoughtis]

Please don’t be gleeful about this in-law mess.  The first year of marriage is hard enough without the naïveté of this bride and groom and the infighting that the Rods and Coveretts are publicly doing right now. Yes, Jill is the cause.  Yes, the Coveretts are sticking up for the couple.  However, regardless of who is at fault- Tim and Heidi ( especially Heidi) are going to pay the price for quite some time to come 

[Salacious Kitty]

I'm not gleeful. I'm pissed at Jill. She never apologizes for her behavior, she instead doubles down. She did it again in this instance. 

Tim and Heidi just need to avoid her as much as possible, since she's the root cause of these issues. 

[Heathen]

15 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I'm not gleeful. I'm pissed at Jill. She never apologizes for her behavior, she instead doubles down. She did it again in this instance. 

Tim and Heidi just need to avoid her as much as possible, since she's the root cause of these issues. 

The point is that shit is rolling downhill right at Timothy and Heidi. They don't deserve that. As far as avoiding her, it's easier said than done to avoid your own mother. I speak from experience. 

[Vivigirl10]

1 hour ago, mythoughtis said:

the infighting that the Rods and Coveretts are publicly doing right now

Believe me, I'm all for Ellen calling Jill out.  But she's doing it passively-aggressively and via social media.  Isn't that just the same ick, different name?  

Anyone associated with this circus is just gross.  I don't have hope for any of them. 

[merylinkid]

1 hour ago, mythoughtis said:

Tim and Heidi ( especially Heidi) are going to pay the price for quite some time to come 

They moved far away from her.   For her to make them pay would require effort on her part.   Not that she won't try, but it will not be as easy as making Kaylee and Jonathan pay if something similar happened.   They aren't going to be seeing Mahmo 24/7 due to the distance.

I finally figured out what shut Jill down for a bit and might do it again.   It wasn't the pastor having a talk with Dave because since when did either of them listen to a pastor?   They just move churches.   I think the clearinghouse got wind of her grifting and non-dogly trips to places to Las Vegas and Punta Cana for Plexus, while also always seeming to be on "traveling for dog" while doing very little actual "missionary" work while showing off a lot of tourist pictures on her social media.   I bet they threatened to cut funding and find another printer.   Money is the only thing Jill would change her behavior for.  

If the clearinghouse sees a public spat, they might have another little talk with Jill.   Because Jill is on thin ice with them and they do not want to deal with her behavior any more.  

[GeeGolly]

I'm going to guess every SM post and/or comment made by Heidi's relatives were made with permission from her and Tim.

 

[Salacious Kitty]

I wonder if Jill blocked all the people who liked those deleted posts? The last time I checked last night, a couple of them had over 400 likes. 😀

[ginger90]

8 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I wonder if Jill blocked all the people who liked those deleted posts? The last time I checked last night, a couple of them had over 400 likes. 😀

She’s never received that many reactions on her own posts. Makes me chuckle. 

[Absolom]

8 hours ago, merylinkid said:

Now they only have to put up with the Rods descending for free food and lodging every 3 months instead of every day.   Eastern PA is now on the grift tour.

Plus they are savvy enough to have excuses prepared to avoid long stays by Jill.  I kept off season clothes in a couple of suitcases in the coat closet.  I'd greet one of my cousins suitcase in hand at the door with oh I'm sorry we weren't expecting company and we're just leaving.  The kids knew we'd leave for an hour or two and then come home to avoid the leeches staying.  We'd meet them at McDonalds or Burger King, buy them dinner, and then wave bye as we headed off to wait and make sure they left.

Edited September 20 by Absolom

[oliviabenson]

Jill has more snarkers that follow

her than actual fans/friends.

[Absolom]

We have a new Jillism: reheasal dinner night.  She can't leave established names alone either.

[mythoughtis]

Moving away from Ohio is not going to solve the problems I was referring to.  Sure, Jill and the crew won’t be at their house every day.  But Jill WILL now be bad mouthing the Coveretts and Heidi to Tim every chance she gets- on the phone, texts,   Social media.  She will now be passive aggressive to Heidi when she sees her.   She will whine if they don’t come there for every  holiday, every month or so, every ‘once a year’ vacation.  She ( and David and Nurie and Kaylee etc) will claim Tim is disrespectful to his parents therefore disobeying G*d.   She will put so much emotional stress on these two.  The Coveretts will make comments about Jill to Heidi, etc.   Those of you with less than perfect relationships  with your in-laws know exactly what I mean. 

The above is what I meant about Tim and Heidi paying the price for this public spat, 

Edited September 20 by mythoughtis

[Notabug]

3 hours ago, Vivigirl10 said:

Believe me, I'm all for Ellen calling Jill out.  But she's doing it passively-aggressively and via social media.  Isn't that just the same ick, different name?  

Anyone associated with this circus is just gross.  I don't have hope for any of them. 

I think Ellen is speaking to Jill in the only language she'll listen to; by approaching her publicly online. Jill has made it very clear since the engagement that Tim and Heidi wanted her to back off posting about them, to let them tell their own story first.  She told the world about their feelings publicly via social media. And despite their objections to her revealing personal info, which she has done time and time again; when she is finally free to post about their wedding; she is all about discussing their marital intimacy.  There is no way on God's green earth that Jill didn't know that the newlyweds did not want details of their sex lives published online for the entire world; yet, she did it anyway.  I think Ellen's public posting calling Jill out was done in defense of her daughter and son in law; she knew they'd spoken to Jill privately and she ignored them.  Ellen gets kudos from me for taking one for the team so she will be the object of Jill's fury and not Tim and Heidi.

I do not think that Jill is the sort of personality that is sensitive enough to see anyone's POV than her own and she is used to running roughshod over family and friends to do things her own way.  Talking to her privately is probably useless, she will dismiss it and do what she wants online because hers is the only opinion that matters to her.

Edited September 20 by Notabug

[crazy8s]

1 hour ago, mythoughtis said:

Moving away from Ohio is not going to solve the problems I was referring to.  Sure, Jill and the crew won’t be at their house every day.  But Jill WILL now be bad mouthing the Coveretts and Heidi to Tim every chance she gets- on the phone, texts,   Social media. 

But will Jill risk alienating 2 people in her down line? She really wants to "win" those plexus trips and Ellen seems to be a solid promoter and consistent seller and has signed up others to help Jill earn trips.

What does mama want more - to take trips and brag or to be continuously hateful to her son and DIL and lose part of her down line.

A real dilemma. Place your bets now.

 

Edited September 20 by crazy8s

[beckie]

Jill only cares that she shows everyone how much "better" she and her family are compared to the rest of us.

 

[ginger90]

22 minutes ago, beckie said:

Jill only cares that she shows everyone how much "better" she and her family are compared to the rest of us.

 

The fact she actually believes that wholeheartedly is grounds for a psych evaluation.

 

[oliviabenson]

Jill thinks what she does to her daughters eye brows is acceptable and pretty. Lady is a loon.

[ginger90]

The headship speaks:

”A response from me (David) in regards to the backlash we received from posting about Timothy & Heidi's first kiss...

Romans 11:36-12:2

11:36  –  For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

12:1+2 – I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

We are clearly commanded in the New Testament by Paul the Apostle and the inspiration of the Holy Ghost to present our bodies a living sacrifice.

It amazes me how many "so-called" Christians can criticize people who have a desire to serve God with a passion. The picture of that may be different for many, but the command is clear about how we are supposed to live. The Bible says “present your bodies" – holy, acceptable unto God.

Criticism resulting from a post that exalts a couple saving their first kiss for marriage is clearly ungodly. I do not have to think of that for long at all to know that this is an attempt to break down a good standard and one that teaches abstinence until marriage. This is what God teaches all through the Scriptures.

Above is only one passage of Scripture. There are many others that teach us to be holy in all manner of conversation [how our life looks to others].

Critics like to use the idea that this type of post may make people feel bad. May I say that those same critics could care less how their comments make us feel. So, the height of hypocrisy has once again manifested itself.

My goal, as a father, is to glorify the King of Kings, Jesus Christ - who died on a cross and shed His blood to pay for my sorry sin sick soul because He loved me with all His heart. I owe Him my life, I owe Him my testimony, I owe Him more than I could ever begin to pay. By His grace, we as a family will always exalt a more separated lifestyle. We are not called to "fit in". We are called to be holy. Did we forget that God’s Word says that we are a peculiar people.

Titus 2:14 – "Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works."

The lifestyle we as a Christian family choose to exalt, may look different and wrong to others, but that does not, or at least should not, make a difference to those who know Christ. Those who know Christ, know that they will be persecuted for righteousness sake.

1 Peter 3:14

But and if ye suffer for righteousness’ sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled: But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give and answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

Glory to God.....  

         - It is a good conversation when a couple makes it to the marriage altar pure.

       - It is a good conversation that they will never be perceived as fornicators.

         -It is a good conversation that they put clothes on, not take them off.

        -It is a good conversation to associate with things that promote righteous living.

I notice that most people that defend a different position, never seem to use Scripture to back up there reasoning. They always refer to how it makes others "feel".  We strive never to intentionally hurt people, but if having a life that is pressing toward a holy conversation offends you, there is nothing we can or will do to change that. You will have to take that up with God.

Titus 2:11-14

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Lastly, the mind of God is revealed in the Scriptures. It is not the perception of human beings that dictate God’s mind on things. What we know about God is revealed in the Holy Scriptures. We do our best to draw conclusions from God’s Word being filled with the Spirit and share our faith as we see it. Will we make mistakes?  Yes. However, we will always strive to do things as Biblical as possible.

John 5:39

"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

I will end with this Scripture....1 Corinthians 6:9-11  "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, not effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."

-David Rodrigues  (Father of the Groom)”

Edited September 21 by ginger90

[mythoughtis]

Kissing is not fornication. 

[P2C2E]

Jill and David don't understand that, at the root of this, it's not a purity issue it's a boundaries issue.

And there are plenty of bible verses about that. Or at least about care for others. Love your neighbor as yourself trumps moral judgement.

[Liddy52]

Jill must be really screeching and wailing to cause David to pause watching the map long enough to write all of that screed. Unless she just wrote it herself. 

[merylinkid]

It's not about the kissing.   It's as Heidi's grandma so eloquently put it "TMI."   Its nobody's business whether its their first kiss or not.   Ya'all may KNOW it is.   But that does not mean you have to broadcast it to the world.  

But Jill and David will never get it.  He may look checked out watching his map, but in his own bored and boring way, he is as bad as she is.

[Salacious Kitty]

So Dave threw his in-laws under the bus by calling anyone who disagrees with him "so-called Christians." Smooth move, ex lax. 

They've officially TRIPLED down on this, and they're looking more foolish by the hour. 

Edited September 21 by Salacious Kitty

[PradaKitty]

David, you can recite scripture until the cows come home but it doesn’t make premarital kissing a sin. Your wife doesn’t need your help in this matter. She needs to NOT share private information about your son and his wife to hundreds of people you do not know. It is none of our business. 
And by the way, anyone can skew bible verses to support their side of an argument. 

[Madtown]

These people are insufferable. They just don't know when to quit. I'm sure Jill was furious at those comments and has done nothing but whine all day. She probably spewed so much hate about it to her children as well. Probably on the phone with her favorite child Nurie(don't ever try to deny that Jill, you have made it more than clear).

For Dave to jump on and post all that jibberish, making it seem like they are better than anyone else. Again, they only preach about what they believe are facts and the rest of us that don't feel the same, are wrong and non-Christians.

The fact that Heidi's grandma chimed in, speaks volumes to me. I'm glad Ellen called her out. I know how it can be wrong to do that on social media, but Dave's rant, made me shout even louder for Ellen.

I hope Tim and Heidi stay far away and don't try to defend Jill in any way whatsoever!

[realityfan26]

Jill will never understand. It was never her news to share.

[Salacious Kitty]

Hallie has responded on Instagram. A picture of her flipping the bird, captioned "You know who you are."

Chef's kiss! 

[ALittleShelfish]

No way this wasn't a copy and paste job from somewhere else.  I refuse to believe Dave can provide a definition of any multisyllabic word, much less write this all out during commerical breaks on the map. 

[Iguessnot]

There are other religious communities who don't condone physical intimacy before marriage.  It's taken as a given with the communities. But the obsession with providing lectures about it was embarrassing.

Considering that Tim was sleeping over the Heidi's house with matching jammies and taking pictures with "hugs" she should have just left off the commentary, as it might have been a bit embarrassing for the couple if they didn't follow the script. I'm sure they didn't cross all boundaries, but if they made some missteps, they didn't need Jill putting that type of spotlight on them.

I'm going to make some popcorn, because it is on!! 

[merylinkid]

1 hour ago, Madtown said:

These people are insufferable. They just don't know when to quit. I'm sure Jill was furious at those comments and has done nothing but whine all day. She probably spewed so much hate about it to her children as well. Probably on the phone with her favorite child Nurie(don't ever try to deny that Jill, you have made it more than clear).

For Dave to jump on and post all that jibberish, making it seem like they are better than anyone else. Again, they only preach about what they believe are facts and the rest of us that don't feel the same, are wrong and non-Christians.

The fact that Heidi's grandma chimed in, speaks volumes to me. I'm glad Ellen called her out. I know how it can be wrong to do that on social media, but Dave's rant, made me shout even louder for Ellen.

I hope Tim and Heidi stay far away and don't try to defend Jill in any way whatsoever!

I hope Heidi and Tim never see Jill and David again.  Never let them see the grandkids, the hard boundaries with toxic people thing.  And may Jonathan and Kaylee decide they need to be closer to his family.

[Salacious Kitty]

Hallie posted again, thanking people for defending her family. She's signing off for the rest of the weekend. 

I wonder if Jill blocked her? 

[satrunrose]

If DBD wants scriptural support for the MYOB and leave your child's sex life off social media argument may I suggest

 

Matthew 6:1

1 “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven."

 

And since the BCE (best couple ever) have spent the past twenty years so busy parading their righteousness that they neglected to feed their own children, let alone a stranger, I think that if there is a Heaven and a day of reckoning in it, those two will be in for a shock.

Matthew 25:40 ESV /

And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

[AstridM]

Criticism is clearly uNgOdLy, y’all! 😆😝🤪

2 hours ago, merylinkid said:

It's not about the kissing.   It's as Heidi's grandma so eloquently put it "TMI."   Its nobody's business whether its their first kiss or not.   Ya'all may KNOW it is.   But that does not mean you have to broadcast it to the world.  

But Jill and David will never get it.  He may look checked out watching his map, but in his own bored and boring way, he is as bad as she is.

EXACTLY THIS!

[AstridM]

1 hour ago, ALittleShelfish said:

No way this wasn't a copy and paste job from somewhere else.  I refuse to believe Dave can provide a definition of any multisyllabic word, much less write this all out during commerical breaks on the map. 

Well, he did use “there” when he should’ve used “their.” 😂😂😂

[EmeraldGirl]

I was not asked to be born. I refuse to fear the entity that is supposed to be all loving and kind, and watches over and protects us. seriously, what’s with the fear?

I am of this world. Something that Jill hates more than anything. I do not live in biblical times, I live now. I cannot imagine marrying someone for life that I have not held hands with or kissed, or even committed the worst crime with - fornication! Who the hell came up with that? Probably a lot of guys who have slept around. This is the time of your life when you find your mate for life. I’m sorry, but there are just things you need to know about them before you commit to a life together. If sex is so important to them in marriage, how do I know that I am compatible with that person physically? It can be just as important as your mental connection.  But if I had only supervised conversations with my husband, I would know shit. And if we couldn’t even kiss each other, please. There are a lot of bad kissers out there. You have to have that connection. It’s all part of the exploration of finding your perfect mate.