S05.E10: House Of Cards

[FozzyBear]

But what's funny about that is that Kim did that way more than Kyle! Kim played the victim in Game Night even more than Kyle did. Kyle's problem, as I remember, was that she did try to make peace with Brandi, but really never apologized as fully as she should--in large part because she kept focusing on how terrible, mean Brandi accused Kim of doing meth. But Kyle was the Richards sister who bore the accusation of bully and took what responsibility there was that was taken. Kim, by contrast, refused to apologize to Brandi and basically kept claiming that Brandi needed to apologize to her--and Kim was even the meaner of the two on Game Night.

So it's really nothing to do with the Richards' good/bad behavior that's made Brandi focus on Kyle as the enemy and more quickly become Kim's buddy. It's more that Brandi just responds well to Kim's victim act when she's given the chance to be the protector or something. It really seems like Kyle's always been more of a problem for her because Kyle isn't really a victim. I mean, she knows how to play the martyr, but even when she's doing that it's about Kyle taking care of things, not about Kyle needing to be taken care of by others. So that seems to be the bigger issue--and I suspect Kim is kind of similar in that way.

Not saying Brandi's logic makes actual sense.

But her issues with Kyle started before Game Night. It was actually when Brandi's young son peed on the grass at the pool party and Kyle proceeded to clutch a thousand pearls. Brandi only fully lost control at Game Night when Kyle brought up the incident again and called Brandi's parenting into question.

I could also see that once Brandi and the Richards Sisters decided to end their war that Brandi and Kim might naturally get along better. Kyle might still just rub Brandi the wrong way on occasion (and vise versa). None of these women are particularly good at analyzing why the react to people the way they do. They just go with it until they have a chance to start screaming at each-other on vacation.

[Satchels of gold]

I hate to break it to the codependent beasties but life is a trigger. Loved one get sick, your husband divorces you, your spouse cheats, children grow up and move away. It's the nature of being human. No one is immune and no one escapes. I wish they would both recognize there will always be a reason to relapse and stop giving each other permission.

[motorcitymom65]

I hate that Lisa missed Game Night again. It would have been interesting to see how she played it all. 

[cooksdelight]

Lisa would have let Giggy walk around the table, drinking from everyone's glass. Maybe he would have run away with a chip or two.

[FozzyBear]

I hate that Lisa missed Game Night again. It would have been interesting to see how she played it all.

Ha! You're right! LisaV does hate a game night! Man I sympathize. I'm very uncompetitive and not that into games. Game night with this crowd would be a awful.

Of course LisaV seems pretty checked out in general this season. Between the cast shake up and the PR incident, I don't think there is anyone left she wants to spend time with. Her whole attitude is "bare minimum to collect a Bravo check".

[Avaleigh]

I hate that Lisa missed Game Night again. It would have been interesting to see how she played it all.

I'm curious about this too. It's like Lisa has a sixth sense on the events that are worth bailing on. Yolanda lucked out too by not being there so that she could make excuses for Brandi as she's been doing lately. 

 

Kyle might still just rub Brandi the wrong way on occasion (and vise versa).

 

 

Maybe Brandi's attitude toward Kyle all night had to do with old issues because I didn't see what Kyle did to be treated so rudely by Brandi. Kyle's playing the game and Brandi just calls her stupid out of the blue. Knowing how uncomfortable Brandi felt when she had to endure people laughing and making fun of her at Game Night you'd think she'd think twice about doing that to somebody else but that's exactly what she did and she was ultimately even more offensive than Kyle was at the original Game Night.

 

"Is it a bee?" is probably my favorite AbFab moment.

 

 

I also like "Is it a hat?" in response to the wild pheasant that managed to find it's way onto her head. Better still the line, "Just pull its neck, Eddie!"

[TattleTeeny]

Just reading it makes me laugh.

[ryebread]

Lisa would have let Giggy walk around the table, drinking from everyone's glass. Maybe he would have run away with a chip or two.

 

Giggy, run?  Do you even watch this show?

[bosawks]

It's like a drug.

 

Better than oxycodone, I suppose.

Kim?

[walnutqueen]

It's like a drug.

 

Better than oxycodone, I suppose.

 

Having sampled both liberally, I must say that you all are an excellent substitute for necessary pain-killing narcotics - and MUCH easier on my over-wrought liver.  :-)

 

PTV - the other Oxy.

 

 

 

Giggy, run?  Do you even watch this show?

 

Run to me, you hairless little sex-monster, you, Giggy.  I'll share my plate, goblet and even my lick-averse face (animal tongues ONLY need apply) with no expectation to perform or dress like me.  Comfort food, comfort clothes, and you can even bring Ken.  :-)

[BuddhaBelly]

Giggy looks like Ken's twin. That's the first thought that struck me when they showed him "naked" on the beach. 

[zoeysmom]

I guess if you want to look at Hawaii in the most cynical way, Brandi was at the "cool kids table" and comforted Kyle to ingratiate herself, but then again she was able to assess the situation, come up with the appropriate words and did so to be a comfort someone in distress. I also thought that Brandi was the voice of reason in Paris.

I don't think that a switch has been flipped, at the end of the day Brandi will choose Brandi, but Brandi choosing Brandi does not automatically mean that she will do the wrong thing or what she does will not play well to "her audience." Brandi has spent years calling out Eddie and LeAnn, and IMO, her agenda was to get attention, get revenge and cause them grief, nevertheless "the audience" cheered her for her honesty and "fighting back" against the two "homewreckers."

Brandi calling out Taylor at the season two reunion is another example. IMO Brandi did not give a damn about Russell not being around to defend himself and Taylor waiting less than a hot minute to write a book, Brandi was auditioning for a spot on the show and knew who exactly to go after to get "the audience" on her side. A few months after she called out Taylor, a man committed suicide and Brandi did not care that he was no longer around to defend himself, nor did she wait longer than a hot minute to Tweet about what a jerk she thought the guy was for ruining her evening.

I agree that at this stage Brandi does file information away knowing that she may destructively use it at a future date. I don't think that it is an either or thing, sometimes she actively pumps the other person for info with mal-intent but other times she may just be interacting with someone and "tea gets spilled." The same applies to her being the voice of reason or being caring towards someone else, sometimes there's an underlying, evil agenda, but other times she's in the moment and happens to do the right thing.

I guess if you want to look at it as switch flipping, I don't think that it is about a change in her character or persona, but a willingness to do something that is the opposite to what she's done previous'y because Brandi's self-interest, self involvement and gratification are paramount.

I was never enamored with Brandi they way many were.  Quite frankly with all her pre-season machinations of being Cedric's friend and finally making her entrance in a cooch baring dress with a sky high heel and crutches it was clear to me from the beginning Brandi was all about being the center of attention.  It didn't bother me the others laughed at her because she came dressed as if she was an entrant in a best costume contest.  First Prize for Sluttiest Costume-Brandi.  Brandi dressed like that because she wants the attention and the added bonus of tearing others down for being judgmental.

 

Same with the kid stripping naked and peeing on the lawn.  Ahhh how cute Brandi the nudest, has taught her kids how to be inappropriate. Kyle as the mother of four daughters had every right to voice displeasure-why does her three year old daughter have to be exposed to a naked little boy? It is not as if the kid wouldn't be in trouble for doing it at school.

 

As to Game Night-I may be wrong I would love to see a transcript of that night but I believe Brandi was the one bitching about not going first, called herself a slut, and then accused Kyle of calling her a bad mother.  Primarily it was Kim who was shitty to Brandi and only Kim who hid her crutches but Brandi was on a tear and again demanding to be the center of attention, "I am going to fucking kill you," "bring it on bitches".

 

Her party at a borrowed ocean side home, once again Brandi wears a see through dress and calls the party a "How to Give A Blow Job" to once again a call attention to herself.  She brings out belly dancers and then gets miffed when Kyle does the splits.  She also inappropriately touches Kyle while fighting with Taylor to win over Camille.

 

There are just so many examples of Brandi commandeering the event to make herself the center of attention that it becomes redundant.

 

Kyle has apologized when one was not necessary, moved on, included Brandi, defended Brandi, been the victim of Brandi misstating her words, intentionally tried to turn everyone against Kyle on many occasions and doesn't seem to want to stop until it includes Kyle's own family.

 

This post filming tour of Brandi's has been all about her stating Kyle does not care for her family http://www.realitytea.com/2014/12/12/brandi-glanville-calls-kyle-richards-fame-obsessed-horrible-bitch-blames-feud/  Brandi uses the word family when perhaps a more correct term would be "one of her sisters".

 

As a never a fan always wished Brandi was a former RH person, I feel like justice has been served with Brandi's many misstatements, out and out lies and exaggerations.  Brandi getting  to spend some of her hard earned blood money defending her right to lie and self-promotion at the expense of others.  I picture Brandi with her latest BFF Kim, in Brandi's kitchen as Kim pulls out the Wizard of Oz sized hourglass ticking of the $400.00 a hour attorneys fees Brandi is racking up defended Joanna's defamation case.

 

Real life will be the time Brandi will see her friends are.  No more silly plotting or impressing producers or clever tweets or interviews to sympathetic journalists.  Things are real for Brandi now and her big mouth.  The fact she continues to feel that the "truth will come out" in this episode and the following ones leaves me scratching my head and thinking-she is got to be kidding.

[becauseIsaidso]

I can accept a 'reality' show that showcases rich ditzes dashing about with shopping, socializing and worrying about who is who in the superficial pecking order - I find it stupid and silly and harmlessly entertaining.....

 

BUT

 

... for some bitch to make a mockery of other addicts' honest efforts at recovery, all the while seemingly trying to convince the viewing public that she is merely in a state of denial (which is a very real part of the addiction/recovery process) and really, really, really wants to be clean and sober is nothing short of disgusting.  The very (and imnsho accurate) idea that those involved (from Kyle right down to the newest cast members) are cognizant of this charade is equally disturbing and nothing I care to honor with one more second of attention.

 

I know! How about we showcase Monty's REAL experience with cancer  - the visible pain, puking and debilitating weakness that quite often accompany chemo and radiation therapies (I have no idea which of those levels of hell he must endure, but I've had family members go through it and know for a fact how very horrible it can be) NOT just his ever so convenient presence as a (possibly) unwitting supplier of  controlled substances - now wouldn't that just be a REAL HOOT!

Edited January 23, 2015 by becauseIsaidso

[becauseIsaidso]

The best thing about not watching BH anymore?   Not only will I no longer be subjected to Kim's eternally self-serving bullshit, but I will also NOT be subjected to any more of Kyle's bullshit moaning about how she would have LOVED to go to college but she was too busy bringing home the bacon....OR....had babies to attend to....

 

Seriously, bitch - if you had really wanted to further your education, you had/have the time and means to do so - LOTS of other women WITHOUT your resources have done exactly that. Hypocrite!

[Box305]

Can I say I kind of dig the upbeat music they seem to play whenever they film at Eileen's house? 

[TattleTeeny]

People can want more than one thing, yet still choose one over the other. Maybe I regret not buying one pair of boots a week ago and I say so, but it doesn't mean I am now running around completely unfulfilled and dissatisfied with my life because of the pair of (not gladiator) boots I did end up buying. 

[Persnickety1]

I hate to break it to the codependent beasties but life is a trigger. Loved one get sick, your husband divorces you, your spouse cheats, children grow up and move away. It's the nature of being human. No one is immune and no one escapes. I wish they would both recognize there will always be a reason to relapse and stop giving each other permission.

 

Pretty sure that's a typo for "besties," but glory hallelujah do I like this description even better!!!

 

"Beasties" indeed.

 

The most perfectly-suited dysfunctional, co-dependent "beasties" EVER.  

Edited January 23, 2015 by Persnickety1

[Diane Mars]

Lisa would have let Giggy walk around the table, drinking from everyone's glass. Maybe he would have run away with a chip or twmaybe could

And, let's get dirty, Giggy could even have walked NUDE !

[motorcitymom65]

The best thing about not watching BH anymore?   Not only will I no longer be subjected to Kim's eternally self-serving bullshit, but I will also NOT be subjected to any more of Kyle's bullshit moaning about how she would have LOVED to go to college but she was too busy bringing home the bacon....OR....had babies to attend to....

 

Seriously, bitch - if you had really wanted to further your education, you had/have the time and means to do so - LOTS of other women WITHOUT your resources have done exactly that. Hypocrite!

See, I just don't get this, but maybe I have surrounded myself with too many people that talk of wishing maybe they had done something different. Not people who are unhappy with their lives, but folks who wonder if they might have done something different. Does Kyle go on and on about this? I think she has mentioned it twice, and both in the context of it being important to her that her children get an education. Some folks would be mortified by the talk that goes on in the MotorCity home. My husband is lucky in that he is extremely successful in his career.  He never went to college because it simply wasn't an option (lots of ugly family shit over there, let me tell you). It is his biggest regret in life and he has constantly told our kids that it is important that they go.  I mean since they were barely old enough to walk. He could go back now if he wanted, but the 52 year old Mr. MotorCity doesn't want to go to college. He wishes that the 18 year old guy would have gone and lived a life that was far different from his. He still likes his life now. It never comes across as moaning, but just a father wanting something for his kids that he didn't have. It is amazing to me that this bothers some. 

[SoCal4Us]

I agree with those upthread that Kim could possibly have a mental illness.  I can't help but have compassion for her.

 

Also wondering if she actually watched the entire episode before writing her blog...didn't she at one time say that she didn't watch the show?

[copacabana]

I can accept a 'reality' show that showcases rich ditzes dashing about with shopping, socializing and worrying about who is who in the superficial pecking order - I find it stupid and silly and harmlessly entertaining.....

 

BUT

 

... for some bitch to make a mockery of other addicts' honest efforts at recovery, all the while seemingly trying to convince the viewing public that she is merely in a state of denial (which is a very real part of the addiction/recovery process) and really, really, really wants to be clean and sober is nothing short of disgusting.  The very (and imnsho accurate) idea that those involved (from Kyle right down to the newest cast members) are cognizant of this charade is equally disturbing and nothing I care to honor with one more second of attention.

 

I know! How about we showcase Monty's REAL experience with cancer  - the visible pain, puking and debilitating weakness that quite often accompany chemo and radiation therapies (I have no idea which of those levels of hell he must endure, but I've had family members go through it and know for a fact how very horrible it can be) NOT just his ever so convenient presence as a (possibly) unwitting supplier of  controlled substances - now wouldn't that just be a REAL HOOT!

 

Thank you for writing all of this -- especially the bold. 

[motorcitymom65]

I can accept a 'reality' show that showcases rich ditzes dashing about with shopping, socializing and worrying about who is who in the superficial pecking order - I find it stupid and silly and harmlessly entertaining.....

 

BUT

 

... for some bitch to make a mockery of other addicts' honest efforts at recovery, all the while seemingly trying to convince the viewing public that she is merely in a state of denial (which is a very real part of the addiction/recovery process) and really, really, really wants to be clean and sober is nothing short of disgusting.  The very (and imnsho accurate) idea that those involved (from Kyle right down to the newest cast members) are cognizant of this charade is equally disturbing and nothing I care to honor with one more second of attention.

 

I know! How about we showcase Monty's REAL experience with cancer  - the visible pain, puking and debilitating weakness that quite often accompany chemo and radiation therapies (I have no idea which of those levels of hell he must endure, but I've had family members go through it and know for a fact how very horrible it can be) NOT just his ever so convenient presence as a (possibly) unwitting supplier of  controlled substances - now wouldn't that just be a REAL HOOT!

I hear ya.  You make some excellent points.  The problem is, this gets the viewers.  It might suck, but it just does.  Just a few weeks ago, folks were complaining because it was boring. Watching moms mourn their kids going away to school (a very real situation) put some folks to sleep.  Can you imagine if they were watching the reality of someone facing a terminal illness? They would turn the channel faster than Brandi refills her wine glass.  We have more comments this week after this episode than we have on any of the others, and the "First Looks' forum is packed.  That never happens. In general people who watch these shows like drama. It just is what it is. Call me terrible, but I cannot wait for next week. 

[copacabana]

See, I just don't get this, but maybe I have surrounded myself with too many people that talk of wishing maybe they had done something different. Not people who are unhappy with their lives, but folks who wonder if they might have done something different. Does Kyle go on and on about this? I think she has mentioned it twice, and both in the context of it being important to her that her children get an education. Some folks would be mortified by the talk that goes on in the MotorCity home. My husband is lucky in that he is extremely successful in his career.  He never went to college because it simply wasn't an option (lots of ugly family shit over there, let me tell you). It is his biggest regret in life and he has constantly told our kids that it is important that they go.  I mean since they were barely old enough to walk. He could go back now if he wanted, but the 52 year old Mr. MotorCity doesn't want to go to college. He wishes that the 18 year old guy would have gone and lived a life that was far different from his. He still likes his life now. It never comes across as moaning, but just a father wanting something for his kids that he didn't have. It is amazing to me that this bothers some. 

 

I hear you and it happens and I'm glad it worked out and I totally get 52 year old not wanting to go back and re-do 18 year old.  Also don't think college is for everyone--for me it was a very bumpy ride that I don't regret but if youth knew, etc..  If I had to do it all over again, I'd have not skipped college but also not gone straight into secretarial school after college -- Yes, folks, this did happen back in the day.  I would have taken my English and American Literature degree and trained to be a plumber.  For real.  I've never met a  plumber I didn't like or need and I think I would have been a good one. 

 

I have no issue with Kyle this season.  She's done nothing to set me off.  I read elsewhere that she didn't invite Kim to her latest birthday party.  If this is true, I salute both of them.  My brother and I have not been close in that way for many, many years.  We see each other at other family events.  It's better for us this way -- and no one's fault. But just better. 

 

I hope we get to see more of Eileen at home and that the Rinna-Hamlins host an event.  I can't get behind much of what Brandi does and tend to block her out except as an agent of drama and change.  I don't like her much but also don't hate her ... I think she earns her paycheck. 

[cooksdelight]

I agree with those upthread that Kim could possibly have a mental illness.  I can't help but have compassion for her.

 

Also wondering if she actually watched the entire episode before writing her blog...didn't she at one time say that she didn't watch the show?

I think Kim did say once that she doesn't watch it, so she's going on memory and Brandi telling her what to say. It's a sure bet Brandi doesn't watch or she'd not be telling people that we'd all be siding with her after Poker Night.

[copacabana]

I think Kim did say once that she doesn't watch it, so she's going on memory and Brandi telling her what to say. It's a sure bet Brandi doesn't watch or she'd not be telling people that we'd all be siding with her after Poker Night.

 

The most disturbing part was in the limo with LisaR.  It looked as though they went from trying to be actresses together, acting out a scene, to some serious mind fuckery.  Lisa seemed to be going along with it to humor and placate Kim but it seemed to devolve into Kim getting something started and then not knowing it wasn't real.  It was so sad and disturbing to watch.  And the whole thing seemed to be insisted on by Kim  Made me wonder if her mother had done this to her when she was little -- pushed her into assuming a part and sticking with it to prepare.  I definitely had the feeling that when Kim started getting really aggressive with Lisa and telling her where to go and what to do that she was talking to someone else.  It's like she went into some weird fugue state.  I do think it's a combo of drink and drug dependence and some mental illness thing that hasn't been divulged.  I would bet she knows what the mental illness is and is taking medicine for it and simply doesn't want to say.  And that Bravo may be covering for her on that front. It looked as though she had done that routine with Lisa R with someone else repeatedly. Horrible to watch.

[becauseIsaidso]

See, I just don't get this, but maybe I have surrounded myself with too many people that talk of wishing maybe they had done something different. Not people who are unhappy with their lives, but folks who wonder if they might have done something different. Does Kyle go on and on about this? I think she has mentioned it twice, and both in the context of it being important to her that her children get an education. Some folks would be mortified by the talk that goes on in the MotorCity home. My husband is lucky in that he is extremely successful in his career.  He never went to college because it simply wasn't an option (lots of ugly family shit over there, let me tell you). It is his biggest regret in life and he has constantly told our kids that it is important that they go.  I mean since they were barely old enough to walk. He could go back now if he wanted, but the 52 year old Mr. MotorCity doesn't want to go to college. He wishes that the 18 year old guy would have gone and lived a life that was far different from his. He still likes his life now. It never comes across as moaning, but just a father wanting something for his kids that he didn't have. It is amazing to me that this bothers some. 

Well, I'll leave it at this - I have my opinions, to which I am entitled, and I stand by them. Same goes for everyone else.

[quinn]

I was never enamored with Brandi they way many were.  Quite frankly with all her pre-season machinations of being Cedric's friend and finally making her entrance in a cooch baring dress with a sky high heel and crutches it was clear to me from the beginning Brandi was all about being the center of attention.  It didn't bother me the others laughed at her because she came dressed as if she was an entrant in a best costume contest.  First Prize for Sluttiest Costume-Brandi.  Brandi dressed like that because she wants the attention and the added bonus of tearing others down for being judgmental.

 

Same with the kid stripping naked and peeing on the lawn.  Ahhh how cute Brandi the nudest, has taught her kids how to be inappropriate. Kyle as the mother of four daughters had every right to voice displeasure-why does her three year old daughter have to be exposed to a naked little boy? It is not as if the kid wouldn't be in trouble for doing it at school.

 

As to Game Night-I may be wrong I would love to see a transcript of that night but I believe Brandi was the one bitching about not going first, called herself a slut, and then accused Kyle of calling her a bad mother.  Primarily it was Kim who was shitty to Brandi and only Kim who hid her crutches but Brandi was on a tear and again demanding to be the center of attention, "I am going to fucking kill you," "bring it on bitches".

 

Her party at a borrowed ocean side home, once again Brandi wears a see through dress and calls the party a "How to Give A Blow Job" to once again a call attention to herself.  She brings out belly dancers and then gets miffed when Kyle does the splits.  She also inappropriately touches Kyle while fighting with Taylor to win over Camille.

 

There are just so many examples of Brandi commandeering the event to make herself the center of attention that it becomes redundant.

 

Kyle has apologized when one was not necessary, moved on, included Brandi, defended Brandi, been the victim of Brandi misstating her words, intentionally tried to turn everyone against Kyle on many occasions and doesn't seem to want to stop until it includes Kyle's own family.

 

This post filming tour of Brandi's has been all about her stating Kyle does not care for her family http://www.realitytea.com/2014/12/12/brandi-glanville-calls-kyle-richards-fame-obsessed-horrible-bitch-blames-feud/  Brandi uses the word family when perhaps a more correct term would be "one of her sisters".

 

As a never a fan always wished Brandi was a former RH person, I feel like justice has been served with Brandi's many misstatements, out and out lies and exaggerations.  Brandi getting  to spend some of her hard earned blood money defending her right to lie and self-promotion at the expense of others.  I picture Brandi with her latest BFF Kim, in Brandi's kitchen as Kim pulls out the Wizard of Oz sized hourglass ticking of the $400.00 a hour attorneys fees Brandi is racking up defended Joanna's defamation case.

 

Real life will be the time Brandi will see her friends are.  No more silly plotting or impressing producers or clever tweets or interviews to sympathetic journalists.  Things are real for Brandi now and her big mouth.  The fact she continues to feel that the "truth will come out" in this episode and the following ones leaves me scratching my head and thinking-she is got to be kidding.

I don't know if you meant to quote my post, but I actually agree with a lot that you said. I started out liking, but not loving, Brandi but that only lasted until the season 2 reunion, I saw her antics / attacks as a win at all costs audition reel. When Kyle shared the story about the See You Next Tuesday Text, that showed that while Brandi may be blunt and unfiltered, she's also a big phony, so I never saw her as honest, refreshing or "real."

I also saw through many of the things you did, but they did not bug me. She wore an attention seeking outfit to her first event and some of the women huddled together and made fun of her. The other women don't get a pass for being mean girls but I was not outraged that they were making fun of the crippled new girl in the short skirt and high heels, heck I was laughing too. ETA: One of the things that did raise my eyebrows was Brandi throwing out Taylor at the Malibu Beach Party. Somebody needed to be thrown out to restore order, but IMO DeDe was more out of control because she was so relentless and would not stop dogging Taylor, furthermore, up until that point, Taylor had been one of the more accepting Housewives when it came to Brandi, and my take was that Taylor got thrown out because Brandi was trying to curry favor with DeDe's BFF Camille.

Re Game Night, I thought Brandi gave as good as she got and was definitely trying to stir the pot over Kim's condition prior to when things got heated. I don't feel bad that Brandi called out Kim for being wasted or that Kim and Kyle made Brandi cry. The one time I felt bad for Brandi was on Spa Day, because even though she got some support from Adrienne and Taylor and there was some acknowledgement that the Richards acted out, the overall tone was Brandi owed an apology much more than Kim and Kyle did. Kyle, rather than apologizing for her actions or just being quiet, argued successfully, because the witnesses were either on her side or would not challenge her, that Brandi was out of line for calling out Kim being wasted but Kyle going after Brandi over her son's public urination was OK - I did not think that was cool, but other than that singular Spa Day incident, I have not been Brandi sympathizer.

I am right there with you over liking that Brandi is getting some sort of comeuppance because she is going to be spending money on legal fees regarding the Joanna Krupa matter.

Edited January 24, 2015 by quinn

[Satchels of gold]

I think Kim did say once that she doesn't watch it, so she's going on memory and Brandi telling her what to say. It's a sure bet Brandi doesn't watch or she'd not be telling people that we'd all be siding with her after Poker Night.

I know right? If she does watch it she must be in shock because that's not how she remember things going down. Lol in her mind Kyle was verbally and physically abusing Kim and she swooped in and saved the day, then everyone cheered because she is the best friend ever then Kyle shanked her and they went home. Then Kim called in the morning and agreed that , that's exactly what happened , then we went to lunch and and decided they were having a bad day so Brandi drank a gallon of wine and Kim "borrowed"some oxicontin. The end.

[zoeysmom]

I know right? If she does watch it she must be in shock because that's not how she remember things going down. Lol in her mind Kyle was verbally and physically abusing Kim and she swooped in and saved the day, then everyone cheered because she is the best friend ever then Kyle shanked her and they went home. Then Kim called in the morning and agreed that , that's exactly what happened , then we went to lunch and and decided they were having a bad day so Brandi drank a gallon of wine and Kim "borrowed"some oxicontin. The end.

You forgot to say how much everyone hated Eileen, her house, her hair and only Brandi was kind enough to offer to sleep with Vince.  Wait maybe Kim was going to sleep with him and then Brandi could walk in on the two of them and. . . . well we know the rest of that scenario.

[streetfairie]

It's not a bad thing just something that has been bugging me since the first episode....Have they ever mentioned that kyle and Lisa R have known each other for years?  Infact they, along with Alison Sweeny and Denise Richards had at one time been having monthly dinners (known as a mom club). Thank god I found the link because I have been waiting all season for Kyle and Lisa to show that freindship and thought because they hadn't,  I assumed I was imagining reading about it years ago.

 

http://www.hollywoodnews.com/2011/08/07/denise-richards-mom-club-revealed-on-tv/

 

Again, not a bad thing, but I do believe that Lisa R knows a lot more about Kim and Kyle's history as well as what has happened on the show then she admits. i wonder if it hasn't been said because they are trying to get the audience to like/hate Lisa on her own merits and not have those who hate Kyle immediatly dismiss her as a 'kyle friend'. Just an observation.

 

I also just have to say, begrudgingly, how much I am enjoying Eileen. I say begrudginly because I really dislike all the characters she plays on both Days and Y&R and I thought it would be easy to dislike her real personality, lol. So far so good though. Still don't like that she turned me away from Days when they had her playing no less then 5 characters at once, lol.

 

[zoeysmom]

I don't know if you meant to quote my post, but I actually agree with a lot that you said. I started out liking, but not loving, Brandi but that only lasted until the season 2 reunion, I saw her antics / attacks as a win at all costs audition reel. When Kyle shared the story about the See You Next Tuesday Text, that showed that, while Brandi may be blunt and unfiltered, she's also a big phony, so I never saw her as honest, refreshing or "real."

I also saw through many of the things you did, but they did not bug me. She wore an attention seeking outfit to her first event and some of the women huddled together and made fun of her. The other women don't get a pass for being mean girls but I was not outraged that they were making fun of the crippled new girl in the short skirt and high heels, heck I was laughing too. ETA: One of the things that did raise my eyebrows was Brandi throwing out Taylor at the Malibu Beach Party. Somebody needed to be thrown out to restore order, but IMO DeDe was more out of control because she was so relentless and would not stop dogging Taylor, furthermore, up until that point, Taylor had been one of the more accepting Housewives when it came to Brandi, and my take was that Taylor got thrown out because Brandi was trying to curry favor with DeDe's BFF Camille.

Re Game Night, I thought Brandi gave as good as she got and was definitely trying to stir the pot over Kim's condition prior to when things got heated. I don't feel bad that Brandi called out Kim for being wasted or that Kim and Kyle made Brandi cry. The one time I felt bad for Brandi was on Spa Day, because even though she got some support from Adrienne and Taylor and there was some acknowledgement that the Richards acted out, the overall tone was Brandi owed an apology much more than Kim and Kyle did and Kyle, rather than apologizing for her actions or just being quiet, argued successfully, because the witnesses were either on her side or would not challenge her, I did not think that was cool - but other than the singular Spa Day incident, I have not been Brandi sympathizer.

I am right there with you over liking that Brandi is getting a sort of comeuppance over having to spend money on legal fees over the Joanna Krupa matter.

Wow Quinn you have a fabulous memory and you haven't even touched Season 3.  For some reason I always forget about Spa Day other than the Kim and Kyle jumping on the trampolines. 

 

I was listening to Brandi and she said the producers told her after Game Night she was a lock for a RH.  So her bluster paid off.  She also said the producers will not help you at all.  I believe she was referencing the whereabouts of her crutches and the tabloids.  The only person they confirmed Brandi's story with was Kyle, perfect for the show because there was always reasonable doubt forcing the viewers to pick a side. 

[TattleTeeny]

See, I just don't get this, but maybe I have surrounded myself with too many people that talk of wishing maybe they had done something different. Not people who are unhappy with their lives, but folks who wonder if they might have done something different. Does Kyle go on and on about this? I think she has mentioned it twice, and both in the context of it being important to her that her children get an education. Some folks would be mortified by the talk that goes on in the MotorCity home. My husband is lucky in that he is extremely successful in his career.  He never went to college because it simply wasn't an option (lots of ugly family shit over there, let me tell you). It is his biggest regret in life and he has constantly told our kids that it is important that they go.  I mean since they were barely old enough to walk. He could go back now if he wanted, but the 52 year old Mr. MotorCity doesn't want to go to college. He wishes that the 18 year old guy would have gone and lived a life that was far different from his. He still likes his life now. It never comes across as moaning, but just a father wanting something for his kids that he didn't have. It is amazing to me that this bothers some. 

Right on to you and the Mr.! I am Kyle's age and I still wish I'd gotten a degree after a lot of years attending--and doing really well in--college. I do wish I'd finished (financial issues kept that from happening). BUT...I wish I'd finished then; that makes a difference, IMO, in whether it is a true regret that should be rectified now. I do not regret it enough to turn my current life upside-down (though not being in Kyle's income bracket plays a huge role in that decision, as does the fact that I have the job I want).

[RealityTVSmack]

Mutt & Jeff they hijacked the episode! Did they deliberately set out to do so? When Kim took the pill/pills was she establishing a story arc shift for herself...from the recovering addict to the falling-off-the-wagon HW? Or was she as surprised as the audience that the focus of the evening turned to her?

Edited January 24, 2015 by RealityTVSmack

[zoeysmom]

So I ran across this article on Brooke's website-who knew Kim, who was so overwhelmed, that she had taken to calling Brandi in the middle of the night, was devoting herself to helping recovering addicts.   This article ran about three weeks after the poker party.  http://realhousewivesworld.com/2014/09/17/kim-richards-is-helping-recovering-addicts/#more-1621

Edited January 24, 2015 by zoeysmom

[Satchels of gold]

So I ran across this article on Brooke's website-who knew Kim, who was so overwhelmed, that she had taken to calling Brandi in the middle of the night, was devoting herself to helping recovering addicts.   This article ran about three weeks after the poker party.  http://realhousewivesworld.com/2014/09/17/kim-richards-is-helping-recovering-addicts/#more-1621

Is this the world we live in? Wtf???

[sasha206]

I hate to break it to the codependent beasties but life is a trigger. Loved one get sick, your husband divorces you, your spouse cheats, children grow up and move away. It's the nature of being human. No one is immune and no one escapes. I wish they would both recognize there will always be a reason to relapse and stop giving each other permission.

 

Beautifully said.

 

The two of them seem like addicts that found each other and are deluding themselves into thinking that everyone who has a problem with their behavior is "jealous."  I also thought it was interesting how Brandi was manipulating Kim.  Kyle wasn't there for her like she was.  Where was she?  It was disturbing.

[zoeysmom]

Is this the world we live in? Wtf???

Do you suppose Kim is writing their treatment plans?

http://realhousewivesworld.com/2014/09/17/kim-richards-is-helping-recovering-addicts/#more-1621

[WireWrap]

So I ran across this article on Brooke's website-who knew Kim, who was so overwhelmed, that she had taken to calling Brandi in the middle of the night, was devoting herself to helping recovering addicts.   This article ran about three weeks after the poker party.  http://realhousewivesworld.com/2014/09/17/kim-richards-is-helping-recovering-addicts/#more-1621

I have to wonder how many of Monty's pills she took before she gave that interview? She is reaching out to help at treatment centers, I wonder how many have taken her up on her offer? LOL And Kingsley has mellowed out? That woman is more delusional now than ever before IMO.

[zoeysmom]

I have to wonder how many of Monty's pills she took before she gave that interview? She is reaching out to help at treatment centers, I wonder how many have taken her up on her offer? LOL And Kingsley has mellowed out? That woman is more delusional now than ever before IMO.

It will be interesting to see if Kim holds her present delusional stance of this week's episode.  Sad thing-Kim hasn't had several years of sobriety she just celebrated her third anniversary in this month and that should have a giant * after it.  For all the people in recovery and their families Kim reached out to there has to be a little resentment watching Kim in the condition she was in Tuesday and claiming  how solid she is in her recovery.  I just wonder how Brandi's friend Jennifer feels after watching this weeks episode and being around Kim.  I will say I do believe the stalking Eddie and LeAnn party was probably in mid-July so Kim may have been a bit better.

[swankie]

For me, the defining moment of this Kim-meltdown episode took place in the car. Kim tells Lisa that she's 'ornery' because Monty hasn't been around.

 

 

I think Kim felt 'ornery' because Monty being gone meant no more pills for Kim.  I think she's probably been taking his meds the whole time he's been staying with her.  He may even be giving them to her.  Maybe not.  Who knows?  The thing is, she was in a foul mood even before the wine tasting or poker night because she was contemplating her source being gone.  I also think she got really pissed at Kyle when she realized that Kyle caused her to let it slip in the bathroom that she got the pill from Monty.  I think that was what all of the "Thanks Kyle!" rant was coming from because she probably felt that now that she let it slip that Monty gave her the pill, once he's found out she let it slip he will no longer give her the pills.  Then she puts up her blog saying that she got the pills from her doctor for the pain of bronchitis.  Sheesh!!!  This is one desperate delusional woman.  Someone needs to get poor Monty out of Kim's house stat!  I keep picturing him tied up with tape over his mouth like Joan Crawford in Whatever Happened to Baby Jane, and Kim taking all of his pain meds while calling Monty's doctor disguising her voice as his to get more prescriptions called in.  I'm almost serious here.  I don't think he really should be anywhere around Kim in his condition.

[january1]

I'm new to this so hang in there with me! I believe that Brandi is a either an addict or a recovering one (who has relapsed!), because her friend , Jennifer (the pretty, tall, tan, brown haired friend), is an addiction therapist/counselor. She was on the TV show Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew. She is on this show a lot when Brandi is filming and it makes me really suspicious of Brand is past. Does anyone else recognize her?

[Almost 3000]

I'm new to this so hang in there with me! I believe that Brandi is a either an addict or a recovering one (who has relapsed!), because her friend , Jennifer (the pretty, tall, tan, brown haired friend), is an addiction therapist/counselor. She was on the TV show Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew. She is on this show a lot when Brandi is filming and it makes me really suspicious of Brand is past. Does anyone else recognize her?

Good call and welcome to the board. Story goes that Brandi got Jennifer into rehab. They were models at the same time and met that way but probably on the party circuit. If you find modeling photos of Jennifer she looks amazing. (and yes its been noted)

[DebbieM4]

It's not a bad thing just something that has been bugging me since the first episode....Have they ever mentioned that kyle and Lisa R have known each other for years?  Infact they, along with Alison Sweeny and Denise Richards had at one time been having monthly dinners (known as a mom club). Thank god I found the link because I have been waiting all season for Kyle and Lisa to show that freindship and thought because they hadn't,  I assumed I was imagining reading about it years ago.

 

http://www.hollywoodnews.com/2011/08/07/denise-richards-mom-club-revealed-on-tv/

 

Again, not a bad thing, but I do believe that Lisa R knows a lot more about Kim and Kyle's history as well as what has happened on the show then she admits. i wonder if it hasn't been said because they are trying to get the audience to like/hate Lisa on her own merits and not have those who hate Kyle immediatly dismiss her as a 'kyle friend'. Just an observation.

 

 

Yes,  they have mentioned that Kyle & Lisa R have known each other for a long time.  Early on this season one of them called the other, and I think it was Kyle who said they had been friends for years.

 

I also knew about the "Mom Club", and I remember hearing about it at around the same time.  So I'm not sure if Kyle or Lisa R talked about it on WWHL or in an interview somewhere.  I never got the impression they were trying to cover up their friendship or downplay it in any way.

[Mozelle]

It's not a bad thing just something that has been bugging me since the first episode....Have they ever mentioned that kyle and Lisa R have known each other for years?  Infact they, along with Alison Sweeny and Denise Richards had at one time been having monthly dinners (known as a mom club). Thank god I found the link because I have been waiting all season for Kyle and Lisa to show that freindship and thought because they hadn't,  I assumed I was imagining reading about it years ago.

 

http://www.hollywoodnews.com/2011/08/07/denise-richards-mom-club-revealed-on-tv/

 

Again, not a bad thing, but I do believe that Lisa R knows a lot more about Kim and Kyle's history as well as what has happened on the show then she admits. i wonder if it hasn't been said because they are trying to get the audience to like/hate Lisa on her own merits and not have those who hate Kyle immediatly dismiss her as a 'kyle friend'. Just an observation.

I've been curious about this too. I recall seeing a clip of the above mentioned women on E! or Access Hollywood or some similar show around season two. So it's been interesting that it's only been mentioned this season that Lisa V. knows Lisa R. when I recall the mom's club bit. Given the proximity in age of Sophia and Lisa R.'s daughters it makes even more sense that Lisa and Kyle would be friends because of the mom's club.

Switching gears I'm going to ask a question that shows my ignorance, but does rehab exist for people who aren't particularly religious? It always seems that when I hear about rehab from folks who have gone (meaning folks in entertainment, etc.) there's this element of religious rhetoric. Not in the sense of "God helped me see the way..." but I've heard some contention with the 12 steps aspect of rehab.

Edited January 24, 2015 by Mozelle

[walnutqueen]

There are programs and treatment centers that don't use the 12 steps model, thank god.  ;-)

[motorcitymom65]

I've been curious about this too. I recall seeing a clip of the above mentioned women on E! or Access Hollywood or some similar show around season two. So it's been interesting that it's only beenemtiomed this season that Lisa V. knows Lisa R. when I recall the mom's club bit. Given the proximity in age of Sophia and Lisa R.'s daughters it makes even not sense that Lisa and Kyle would be friends because of the mom's club.

.

I think it is just being edited in a way to highlight Lisa V and Lisa R's friendship the most, for whatever reason. Kyle and Lisa R have absolutely mentioned being friends for years, but they haven't necessarily quantified what that means (that we have been shown) and as we all know, the word "friends" gets thrown around very casually on these shows. Ironically, I believe that Kyle and Lisa R are actually much closer friends, while the two Lisa's have known each other longer. I don't think they have ever been close off camera. Lisa V never followed Lisa R on Twitter before she joined (although she doesn't follow a lot of people) and she had no idea how old Lisa R's daughters were. I will bet everything she has never met Lisa's daughters. On the other hand, Lisa R mentioned in her first blog that she had been at every one of Kyle's White Parties since she started throwing them about a dozen years ago. Since the parties started out fairly small with just Kyle and Mauricio's close friends, they must have been close for her to have always attended. I imagine that Lisa R and HH have always had a pretty full social calendar.

[hypnotoad]

i thought this episode was awful. Brandi was absolutely hideous. I've disliked her from the moment I started watching the show (to be fair this is my first season with this show) and my opinion of her has gotten worse as the season goes on. Her endless rude drunken behavior is tiresome. I'm not a huge fan of the decor in Eileen's home - it does seem like a bit much. However, I would never walk into that house and tell her it looks like Psycho and American Psycho. Mostly because those two movies have nothing to do with one another and the comparison makes no damn sense, but more importantly because I'm not a rude asshole.

 

Since I am a newbie to this show, my only knowledge of the past is from what I read here. I've thought Kim seemed a bit off all season. She often seems weird to me. Much like Lisa R, i could tell Kim was messed up immediately when she got in that car. I felt bad for Lisa as she tried to just get through that ride and get out of there.

 

What I saw during the poker party was Kyle slowly realizing what was going on and not really believing it. i thought she was trying not to flip out and didn't seem quite sure how to react. I didn't think she was trying to keep Kim in front of the camera. I also don't believe Brandi was trying to help at all. That bitch has no business sticking her nose into Kim and Kyle's relationship.

 

Poor Eileen and Vince. They have a party and half the guests turn up drunk and belligerent.

 

And because it can't be said enough: shut up Brandi you classless horrible person. She is just gross.

Edited January 24, 2015 by hypnotoad

[Satchels of gold]

I'm new to this so hang in there with me! I believe that Brandi is a either an addict or a recovering one (who has relapsed!), because her friend , Jennifer (the pretty, tall, tan, brown haired friend), is an addiction therapist/counselor. She was on the TV show Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew. She is on this show a lot when Brandi is filming and it makes me really suspicious of Brand is past. Does anyone else recognize her?

Welcome! Jennifer is such a mystery to me. I really liked her on Sober house although she was ill equipped to handle that job and flirted with Andy Dick ( yuck!!!!!) I choose to beleive she is dealing with Brandi behind the scenes. Otherwise she is just a famewhore who is willfully ignoring a full blown addict for the chance to rub elbows with some famous folks. I mean it's Andy Dick you guys!

[SoCal4Us]

Wondering if anyone else sees a similarity between the Poker Party & the lunch with Kyle/Lisa/Taylor a few seasons back?

 

In both instances, two women (Brandi/Kim & Kyle/Taylor) seemed inebriated, cackled hysterically at the third woman (Kyle at poker & Lisa at lunch), and called them grade school names ("stupid" & "jelly").  The "mean" girls also hung on each other.  Another triangulation storyline?  Ugh.

[quinn]

Wondering if anyone else sees a similarity between the Poker Party & the lunch with Kyle/Lisa/Taylor a few seasons back?

 

In both instances, two women (Brandi/Kim & Kyle/Taylor) seemed inebriated, cackled hysterically at the third woman (Kyle at poker & Lisa at lunch), and called them grade school names ("stupid" & "jelly").  The "mean" girls also hung on each other.  Another triangulation storyline?  Ugh.

I see the parallel but the Brandi/Kim/Kyle encounter was much more extreme than the Kyle/Taylor/Lisa IMO. If you think that Kyle and Taylor were drunk, that's your prerogative, but as much as that incident gets discussed and criticized, I don't see Kyle and Taylor being inebriated being commonly referenced if at all. Also with Kyle/Taylor/Lisa, it was just the three of them, Kyle and Taylor were being goofy, Lisa told them to cut it out and then one or both told Lisa she was being "jelly." The incident at the poker party was much, much meaner and Kyle was targeted in that incident. Edited January 24, 2015 by quinn