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I still hold out hope that Kim may be considered a liability.  Yes, she is volatile but likely to kill someone while driving drunk and Bravo would probably be named in a law suit because they were filming and they did not take care of her and her situation.  Brandi is a shoo in and I don't care about that.  She will be who she is and they will deal with her.  She is just an annoyance.  

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I say dump Yolanda and Eileen and maybe Lisa. Add 1-2 rich married women. I may be in the minority but I'm really interested to see Kim and Kyle's story continue now that all of this shit has hit the fan with Kim. I'm also interested to see how Kim's relationship with Brandi is effected by all of this. I am also interested to see Kyle and Brandi, whatever the interaction may be, together on screen again. I think they are this franchise's Gretchen vs. Tamra. They work best as enemies but are ok allies. Lisa Rinna is a prime target for a bad edit next season so I'd like to see her back as well. It's a nice dynamic right now with the four of these ladies: Kim and Brandi, Lisa R and Kyle. They could be a good focal focus on next season. Vanderpump isn't bringing much to the table for me. I think the 4 of the aforementioned ladies and one more rich woman added would be a good idea.

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I say dump Yolanda and Eileen and maybe Lisa. Add 1-2 rich married women. I may be in the minority but I'm really interested to see Kim and Kyle's story continue now that all of this shit has hit the fan with Kim. I'm also interested to see how Kim's relationship with Brandi is effected by all of this. I am also interested to see Kyle and Brandi, whatever the interaction may be, together on screen again. I think they are this franchise's Gretchen vs. Tamra. They work best as enemies but are ok allies. Lisa Rinna is a prime target for a bad edit next season so I'd like to see her back as well. It's a nice dynamic right now with the four of these ladies: Kim and Brandi, Lisa R and Kyle. They could be a good focal focus on next season. Vanderpump isn't bringing much to the table for me. I think the 4 of the aforementioned ladies and one more rich woman added would be a good idea.

We have already seen Kim/Kyle deal with the aftermath of Kim's addiction/rehab play out on the show twice before, a third round is not going to be any different, enough is enough IMO. They need to replace both Kim/Brandi, they are not needed and neither is a good fit with this show. Keep the rest of the cast and  replace Brandi/Kim with 1 or 2 new members. JMO

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I say dump Yolanda and Eileen and maybe Lisa. Add 1-2 rich married women. I may be in the minority but I'm really interested to see Kim and Kyle's story continue now that all of this shit has hit the fan with Kim. I'm also interested to see how Kim's relationship with Brandi is effected by all of this. I am also interested to see Kyle and Brandi, whatever the interaction may be, together on screen again. I think they are this franchise's Gretchen vs. Tamra. They work best as enemies but are ok allies. Lisa Rinna is a prime target for a bad edit next season so I'd like to see her back as well. It's a nice dynamic right now with the four of these ladies: Kim and Brandi, Lisa R and Kyle. They could be a good focal focus on next season. Vanderpump isn't bringing much to the table for me. I think the 4 of the aforementioned ladies and one more rich woman added would be a good idea.

 

Could not disagree more. I'm completely over the Kim/Kyle stuff and especially Kim's so-called sobriety - and I've only watched one season! I cannot imagine how long time viewers feel about this rinse and repeat cycle. We had the same conversation and virtually the same fighting going on all season. 'I'm sober!' 'Don't talk about my sobriety!' on and on and on.

 

BG does not belong on this show. Period. I've said it from the moment I started watching and I stand by this statement. She isn't a housewife, is not rich, she doesn't have any house porn to offer, she isn't smart, funny or interesting. All she brings to the table is conflict which she admitted on the reunion. Sadly, even her conflict isn't very interesting: she tells a lie or half truth. Sticks with it until someone calls her on it and then she cries about how unfair everyone else is and cries about her kids. Blah.

 

Kim needs to be gone too. She cannot handle being in the spotlight (such as it is) of this show and trying to handle her issues. Plus, she isn't a housewife, isn't rich, doesn't really seem to have house porn, she isn't smart, funny or interesting.

 

Kyle, Lisa V, Lisa R and Eileen have formed a nice bond and show some sparks of real friendships. I'll take those 4 and add maybe Camille and someone else.

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Could not disagree more. I'm completely over the Kim/Kyle stuff and especially Kim's so-called sobriety - and I've only watched one season! I cannot imagine how long time viewers feel about this rinse and repeat cycle. We had the same conversation and virtually the same fighting going on all season. 'I'm sober!' 'Don't talk about my sobriety!' on and on and on.

 

BG does not belong on this show. Period. I've said it from the moment I started watching and I stand by this statement. She isn't a housewife, is not rich, she doesn't have any house porn to offer, she isn't smart, funny or interesting. All she brings to the table is conflict which she admitted on the reunion. Sadly, even her conflict isn't very interesting: she tells a lie or half truth. Sticks with it until someone calls her on it and then she cries about how unfair everyone else is and cries about her kids. Blah.

 

Kim needs to be gone too. She cannot handle being in the spotlight (such as it is) of this show and trying to handle her issues. Plus, she isn't a housewife, isn't rich, doesn't really seem to have house porn, she isn't smart, funny or interesting.

 

Kyle, Lisa V, Lisa R and Eileen have formed a nice bond and show some sparks of real friendships. I'll take those 4 and add maybe Camille and someone else.

I completely agree with you. I most strongly agree where Brandi is concerned. Her behavior disgusts me. She makes me feel like I'm a pearl-clutching viewer, but I don't think I am. I just think I can stomach how crass and deceptive she is. The woman has no filter, which she is proud of, but she also comes across as if she has no morals.

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The woman has no filter, which she is proud of, but she also comes across as if she has no morals.

 

I think the idea BG has no filter is pure BS. She obviously has a filter because she holds onto a piece of information she read in a gossip rag and waits for just the right moment to spring it on someone. If she had no filter she'd just be blabbing stuff.

 

I love Eileen and she's the reason I started watching this show. I don't know if I can manage to make it next season even for her, if BG and Kim return.

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I love Eileen because she's both classy and witty, and she always comes up with exactly what to say to anyone who crosses her.  This has been only the first season for Eileen.  I can't wait to see her as she comes out of her shell more!  If the show is ever going to change direction, even somewhat, Eileen will lead it.

 

I'm too crazy about Yolanda to see her leave.  Also, she's different from the other HWs, and I enjoy the variety.

 

I don't think the show is good for Kim, so I hope she'll leave.  I hate Brandi, so she could go, and I wouldn't mind -- but she won't go.  Andy is too fond of her.

 

Kyle will stay.  That's a given.

 

I've been greatly disappointed in Lisa Rinna.  She's already becoming a mouthpiece, much like Brandi.  I'd be happy if they'd say goodbye to Lisa.

 

Lisa V is also a given for the same reasons Kyle is.  She's a voice of reason and isn't afraid to stand up for herself.

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I love Eileen because she's both classy and witty, and she always comes up with exactly what to say to anyone who crosses her.  This has been only the first season for Eileen.  I can't wait to see her as she comes out of her shell more!  If the show is ever going to change direction, even somewhat, Eileen will lead it.

 

I'm too crazy about Yolanda to see her leave.  Also, she's different from the other HWs, and I enjoy the variety.

 

I don't think the show is good for Kim, so I hope she'll leave.  I hate Brandi, so she could go, and I wouldn't mind -- but she won't go.  Andy is too fond of her.

 

Kyle will stay.  That's a given.

 

I've been greatly disappointed in Lisa Rinna.  She's already becoming a mouthpiece, much like Brandi.  I'd be happy if they'd say goodbye to Lisa.

 

Lisa V is also a given for the same reasons Kyle is.  She's a voice of reason and isn't afraid to stand up for herself.

I definitely want to see Eileen return -- I just hope she wants to. I'd be up for Yolanda returning p/t as Friend Of. She's too unwell to return full time; she may be too unwell to return p/t. I think they start filming again soon for next season.

I'd like to see everyone else return except for Kim and Brandi. I'm certain If Brandi comes back that I won't be a viewer anymore. I won't waste anymore of my time on this show bc season after season they make a majority of the show all about her. She brings nothing to the table other than her trashy lifestyle. I'd love it if the rest of the cast refused to film with her. I can stand Carlton at all, but I would rather take her back in a New York minute if it meant they fired Brandi. And if they bring Carlton on to film with Brandi so that she has someone to interact with, I guarantee Bravo would lose a huge portion of their audience. Should be interesting to see how things will shake out with who's coming back and who's not.

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I'm glad about this. If Eileen is around then at least it'll make it easier for me to deal with the madness if Brandi is forced down our throats again. 

 

She makes the show so much less dark. Love her as Ashley. Love her as Kristen. Love her as her now. Never disappoints. Good job, Show!

 

Now bring on more people who have lives and aren't crazy or angry.

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So if Eileen has already received and accepted an invitation to return at approximately the same time that Brandi is going all Dog Day Afternoon on the other HW's (covered in her thread), I can only hope that means Brandi has not been asked back.  

 

I also think if Brandi had been asked back, she's be shouting it from the rafters.

 

Fingers crossed. (and very happy Eileen will return - she added alot to the show).

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Brandi will twist it as her holding out and Bravo and the other RH not capitulating to her terms.  Not looking good for Team Brandi with her only two allies on the disabled list. 

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Brandi will twist it as her holding out and Bravo and the other RH not capitulating to her terms.  Not looking good for Team Brandi with her only two allies on the disabled list.

 

Either that or she'll say she decided to leave the show on her own.  She's been tossing that out there for a couple of months now.

 

I still think it's telling that none of the other BH HW's showed up at her wine launching and the only one to tweet any support was Yolanda.

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i do wonder why she didn't launch her wine during the filming of RHBH. Wouldn't it have been a perfect start to the upcoming season (if it weren't Brandi)? That really makes me think she hasn't (yet) been asked back. 

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i do wonder why she didn't launch her wine during the filming of RHBH. Wouldn't it have been a perfect start to the upcoming season (if it weren't Brandi)? That really makes me think she hasn't (yet) been asked back.

Good point - and I haven't seen anything about Bravo cameras being there, either.  That kind of event is tailor made for them.  

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I guess it could simply be because they aren't filming now. I agree though that it seems odd that Brandi wouldn't have at least a pre-launch party for it just to put it in people's heads so I'm assuming that she didn't have any sample bottles or anything to use. 

 

Kathy's Joanna tweet has me wondering if Joanna's still trying to make her Housewives career happen. I'm down with more Romain but I don't want to hear anymore about their non sex life. Plus, I'll admit to being curious as to the dynamic between Joanna, Romain, Mohammed, and Shiva...and Yolanda. ;-)

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I guess it could simply be because they aren't filming now. I agree though that it seems odd that Brandi wouldn't have at least a pre-launch party for it just to put it in people's heads so I'm assuming that she didn't have any sample bottles or anything to use. 

 

Kathy's Joanna tweet has me wondering if Joanna's still trying to make her Housewives career happen. I'm down with more Romain but I don't want to hear anymore about their non sex life. Plus, I'll admit to being curious as to the dynamic between Joanna, Romain, Mohammed, and Shiva...and Yolanda. ;-)

Maybe with Kim and Yolanda on the injured reserve they can have some Joanna, Mohammed, Shiva and most of all ROMAIN.  Kyle's White Party is in late June, I say invite JR, who can't bring Brandi and see who he ends up banging in the bathroom and voila you have your new friend of the RH. Use Camille, Joyce and Taylor as filler to the next loon emerges.

 

My theory about Yolanda and Joanna-Yolanda needs to take some of her own advice and move forward. 

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Kyle, Lisa V, Lisa R and Eileen have formed a nice bond and show some sparks of real friendships. I'll take those 4 and add maybe Camille and someone else.

 

From your lips to Bravo's ears please.  It would bring us hopefully back to the fun show this used to be before the Toxic Twosome darkened the TV screen.  And at this point, I'd welcome Adrienne back.  She was ok - remember when Lisa V was showing her how to cook a chicken and Adrienne washed it with dishwashing detergent?

 

 

We have already seen Kim/Kyle deal with the aftermath of Kim's addiction/rehab play out on the show twice before, a third round is not going to be any different, enough is enough IMO.

 

I refuse to sit through another Kim-centric season.  Been there, done that.

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When reading these tweets my thought was, "someone's auditioning for a diamond!" Personally, I wouldn't mind if she joined the cast.

 

Kathy HiltonVerified account

‏@KathyHilton

I never dissed Housewives, I just don't like the 1 who people think is so lovely, she speaks w/ a forked  tongue.   2 FACED!

3:19 PM - 7 May 2015

 

lady lola ‏@xxladylolitaxx 13h13 hours ago

@KathyHilton If not LVP it has to be Lisa R. they are both 2 faced..besides KYLE

 

Kathy HiltonVerified account

‏@KathyHilton

@xxladylolitaxx  hey, Kyle is my sister. Xo k

 

https://twitter.com/KathyHilton/status/596458020990750721

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Kathy Hilton ‏@KathyHilton 13h13 hours ago

I feel like we"re playing clue,

Tracy Baker ‏@fatchick2015 13h13 hours ago

@KathyHilton because everyone is trying to figure out who you were referring to?! lol

Kathy Hilton ‏@KathyHilton 13h13 hours ago

@fatchick2015  I know it's so much fun, The antiscipation of it all!!

LovinLife ‏@Evrynameisgone 9h9 hours ago

@KathyHilton Grow up! And to think I thought you had class... #Anticipation #NOT

 

Kathy HiltonVerified account

‏@KathyHilton

@Evrynameisgone  Sorry, I was just being silly. Kathy

12:30 AM - 8 May 2015

 

https://twitter.com/KathyHilton/status/596577807259607040

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We will have some answers to who is coming back by early next week. The Upfronts start on Sunday, and it has been reported that the BH show sent at least a couple of girls, but they were not named. This is always a huge deal. If Bravo sends them to represent the show, they are in for next season. There are generally not any big suprises, but it was interesting last year when they sent Kim, because after S4 and the fact that she had zero storyline, lots of people thought she would be out. I am assuming it will be Kyle and Lisa (Lisa didn't go last year). If they are going, they will be talking on Twitter this weekend about going to NY.

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There's a list of expected attendees circulating around, Kyle, Lisa V and Lisa R are the RHoBH cast members expected to attend.

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‏@KathyHilton

I never dissed Housewives, I just don't like the 1 who people think is so lovely, she speaks w/ a forked tongue. 2 FACED!

3:19 PM - 7 May 2015

Shes definitely talking about BRANDI LOOSELIPS GLANVILLE. No one else been talking as much aa she has about Kim.

Please god no Kathy Hilton. We dont need more family turmoil on another HWs. Remember how fabulous that was when the Gorgas hop their asses on NJ.

Just say no Kathy. Let her still stay on OWN as LeToya Jackson's BFF.

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As for Upfronts that's funny The Lisas and Kyle got invited and no Brandi. After how she carries on at these Upfronts being ratchetUSA I can see why she might have been left off the guest list with the smAll chance of her being fired.

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Lord help me but I know I would enjoy having Kathy on the show. There's too much for me to snark on so I know I'd get a kick out of it. I'd like for her to take Kim's place and then Kim can just be the friend of. She can show or not show, she can still get a bit of cash thrown her way and her feelings won't be hurt because she'll still be apart of the show, she can participate for half of the reunion, etc. I don't want to have Kim at all but since it seems like it's going to happen I think they should find a way to limit how much she's on.

 

I'm curious to know if Little Kathy has the same habits and tics as her sisters. I'd also be interested in seeing the dynamic between Rick and Mauricio and how it is when all four of them get together.

 

I'd also just like to see Kathy try to swan in thinking that she'll know how to play it and then see her show her ass the way that most of them end up doing.

 

Also, I just know that she'd come up with a snarkworthy tagline. It'd almost be worth it just to hear what tagline she'd come up with.  

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Lord help me but I know I would enjoy having Kathy on the show.

 

Ever since I read a profile of Kathy many years ago in some women's magazine, I've been intrigued by her.  I want to know what's underneath the façade she puts on.  The only two things I remember from the story were (1) that her Long Island "friends" disliked her because she was all about show and (2) that these "friends" were delighted that Kathy was moving out to California.  I look at the mess that her children are, and I see her calmly smiling when she's out, as if she doesn't have a care in the world.  She's like two people.  I've wondered whether she's sedated to the point where things fail to bother her, or whether she's a bag of nerves, ready to crack any minute.  This curiosity makes me wish she were on the show.  If Kim were to stay on the show and Kathy were added, you know there would be a circus with all three on there.  Even without Kim, I think that Kathy would be interesting -- even more so if Rick were on it, too.

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There's a list of expected attendees circulating around, Kyle, Lisa V and Lisa R are the RHoBH cast members expected to attend.

This is a good sign (if true). Does anyone know if Brandi went in years past? (Yes, I'm very invested in the please-no-more-Brandi campaign!)

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This is a good sign (if true). Does anyone know if Brandi went in years past? (Yes, I'm very invested in the please-no-more-Brandi campaign!)

She did the year she took Kristen Taekman as a  guest and the year she made half of the Atlanta cast angry at her.  Oh then there was the time she decided to pollute the Miami cast with tales about Joanna.  So Brandi definitely does the upfronts. 

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This is a good sign (if true). Does anyone know if Brandi went in years past? (Yes, I'm very invested in the please-no-more-Brandi campaign!)

I don't remember if she was invited last year. But I recall that we had this conversation on TWOP and she had not been invited to the upfronts pre-season 4 and it was speculated she may not be returning and we got that one wrong, much to my chagrin. That was around tampon string-gate.

She did the year she took Kristen Taekman as a  guest and the year she made half of the Atlanta cast angry at her.  Oh then there was the time she decided to pollute the Miami cast with tales about Joanna.  So Brandi definitely does the upfronts.

ZM, was this pre season 4? Because I thought she didn't attend that year.

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Several questionable Blogs are reporting unverified claims that Kyle will also be let go, but I can't see that happening. Especially if she did the Upfronts. Kathy Hilton and Denise Richards would be wonderful replacements for Kim and Brandi.

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Ideally Eileen will be permitted to bring on a friend. I trust her taste.

Good idea!

Several questionable Blogs are reporting unverified claims that Kyle will also be let go, but I can't see that happening. Especially if she did the Upfronts. Kathy Hilton and Denise Richards would be wonderful replacements for Kim and Brandi.

I'll pass on more of the Richards-Hilton family (Kyle is enough imo), but Denise would be really interesting - she'd bring some drama with a new flavor.

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Denise Richards would be fun without having to manufacture drama...her ex husband being Charlie Sheen, her friendship with Lisa R, her dad is single and shopping for girlfriends (he was on Millionaire Matchmaker) and he's nothing like Avivas dad George...Eileen coming back! As long as LVP is also back, I would love this...and Kyle without Kim, woohoo!!

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I've always thought Denise would be an.interesting addition..but she seems too.nice. If the show was more like the original style of the franchise, she would fit in given her ex husband, being a mom, her father etc. Plus she is friends with both Kyle and Lisa R.

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From radaronline.com

 

Sister Showdown! Kathy Hilton Is Joining ‘Real Housewives Of Beverly Hills’ — But Kim & Kyle Don’t Know

Posted on Jun 5, 2015 @ 4:11AM

With Kim Richards officially fired from the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and her sister Kyle Richards on the chopping block the execs have decided to shake things up – by hiring their sister Kathy Hilton!

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But the source said that so far, she has kept her new job a secret from Kim and Kyle.

“The one rub is they told Kathy not to say anything to them. So her sisters, like the rest of the cast, are in the dark about the new casting.”

Hilton’s arrival has been in the works for years: According to the source, RHOBH execs have tried since the beginning to have Kathy on the show, but she never had any interest until now.

“Execs initially wanted Kathy for the show years ago, but she passed. And she ended up recommending her sisters who were clamoring to do it,” the source said.

Full Article:

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/kathy-hilton-joining-rhobh/

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So Andy claims the drama is real because the housewives they cast are volatile?  Here's a thought: don't cast hot-tempered prima donnas and then maybe there would be less table flipping and more organic opulence to ogle and more enjoyable outings for the wives.

 

Except...silly me:  Cohen knows full well that drama is what makes rantings (that was a typo but I decided to leave it!).  And RATINGS make money for Cohen.  The more badly his cast behaves, the more money they all take home.

 

God forbid good taste and decent values should ever outweigh a big paycheck.

 

Today, June 7, is the last day I can get the Bravo network for free from my cable company.  I'll have to change my viewing habits.  But perhaps it's high time I did.

 

So long, Andy.  Thanks for destroying a good percentage of my brain cells for the last 7-8 years.

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Boy, this story that Kyle has been fired is really making the rounds.  I'm quite sure it's not true.  She went to Upfronts, as many here have noted; and until Kim was fired, there was no indication that Kyle wasn't returning.  I think they're building the show around Kyle/Lisa/Lisa/Eileen, because that dynamic was so effective last season - and I think what remains is to figure out who the adversary is.  Will they pull from within the group (Lisa R)?  Will they find a new source of conflict?  Or will they go back to the Brandi well?  (PLEASE GOD NO.)

 

What I really am wondering about is, who is the source of the Kyle-is-fired stories?  ROL isn't making it up out of NOWHERE, someone is feeding it to them.  Are the people feeding it Kim lovers?  I don't think it's Kim herself, I think she actually might be in real rehab this time.  Is it Brandi?  That seems most likely.  And if it is Brandi, then my guess is she doesn't have her pickup letter yet, and is furious, and as always, taking her fury out on Kyle.  (I maintain that Kyle needs to get a restraining order - Brandi is unhinged.)

 

Brandi is also dumb enough to think that if she gets a story printed, that makes the story true.  Or maybe she just wants to make Kyle look bad, or try to drum up some anti-Kyle sentiment in hopes of getting Kyle fired.

 

Who else could it be?

 

(I also think it's possible that Kathy Hilton wants in.  She did those posts on her twitter feed about HWs, and she's also posted some pictures of herself with Portia on her Instagram.  She never mentioned Kyle or HWs before.)

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Boy, this story that Kyle has been fired is really making the rounds.  I'm quite sure it's not true.  She went to Upfronts, as many here have noted; and until Kim was fired, there was no indication that Kyle wasn't returning.  I think they're building the show around Kyle/Lisa/Lisa/Eileen, because that dynamic was so effective last season - and I think what remains is to figure out who the adversary is.  Will they pull from within the group (Lisa R)?  Will they find a new source of conflict?  Or will they go back to the Brandi well?  (PLEASE GOD NO.)

 

What I really am wondering about is, who is the source of the Kyle-is-fired stories?  ROL isn't making it up out of NOWHERE, someone is feeding it to them.  Are the people feeding it Kim lovers?  I don't think it's Kim herself, I think she actually might be in real rehab this time.  Is it Brandi?  That seems most likely.  And if it is Brandi, then my guess is she doesn't have her pickup letter yet, and is furious, and as always, taking her fury out on Kyle.  (I maintain that Kyle needs to get a restraining order - Brandi is unhinged.)

 

Brandi is also dumb enough to think that if she gets a story printed, that makes the story true.  Or maybe she just wants to make Kyle look bad, or try to drum up some anti-Kyle sentiment in hopes of getting Kyle fired.

 

Who else could it be?

 

(I also think it's possible that Kathy Hilton wants in.  She did those posts on her twitter feed about HWs, and she's also posted some pictures of herself with Portia on her Instagram.  She never mentioned Kyle or HWs before.)

I do think the "un-named" source is Brandi.

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I wish Shannen Doherty would, and if Brandi's contract gets renewed... I could only imagine the sparks, I would NOT play with her. And she's somehow connected to Kyle, didn't Shannen once got into it with Paris many years ago?

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I wish Shannen Doherty would, and if Brandi's contract gets renewed... I could only imagine the sparks, I would NOT play with her. And she's somehow connected to Kyle, didn't Shannen once got into it with Paris many years ago?

Paris' infamous leaked sex tape features Shannen Doherty's ex-husband Rick Solomon in the male performer role.

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ROLies is reporting the cast are looking for raises

http://www.inquisitr.com/2182444/real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-cast-wants-raises/

I'm fickle on this but RHOBH kills me how they want a raise. Every year they ask for raises but their ratings are never in the same ball park as RHOA or even RHONJ even in a bad year. I get these are popular personalities lead by Lisa V and Kyle but in a matter of business they are only the number three rated housewives despite its popularity. Yet I cant say Im surprised that if this has any truth Bravo messed up when they threw a bulk load of cash at the Eileen and Lisa R and there wasn't much growth in the ratings. Im sure Lisa V and Kyle will be asking for more money because of the rumored pay day Eileen particularly got in her first year.

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