Spoilers With Speculation

[Bobcatkitten]

I'm excited for a fun Dean storyline but already so over everyone on Twitter saying it's gonna be Dean's ex-boyfriend to set up Destiel. Why is everything ALWAYS about Dean being bi. I'm so over it. 

[gonzosgirrl]

3 minutes ago, Bobcatkitten said:

I'm excited for a fun Dean storyline but already so over everyone on Twitter saying it's gonna be Dean's ex-boyfriend to set up Destiel. Why is everything ALWAYS about Dean being bi. I'm so over it. 

They spoil pretty much every Tweet thread with this crap. Ship whoever you want, but leave the actual show and actors out of it. #SPNfamilymyass

[Smad]

2 hours ago, Bobcatkitten said:

Why is everything ALWAYS about Dean being bi.

Is Dean on the show supposed to be bi? I'm not really part of the fandom so I have no clue about BTS stuff, interviews, fandom etc.. Or is it just the Destiel/Wincest camp saying/hoping that he is?

[PAForrest]

1 minute ago, Smad said:

 Or is it just the Destiel/Wincest camp saying/hoping that he is?

Ding-ding-ding-ding-ding.

While, yes, Jensen has chemistry with everyone and everything, no, show canon has never said Dean is bi.

[gonzosgirrl]

4 minutes ago, PAForrest said:

Ding-ding-ding-ding-ding.

While, yes, Jensen has chemistry with everyone and everything, no, show canon has never said Dean is bi.

Uhhuh. And I've yet to see one of them hope/wish/decide he is gay or bi in support of his own character. They only want him to serve their ship and adore their half of it (aka, Jared/Sam/Misha/Cas).

[Smad]

50 minutes ago, PAForrest said:

Ding-ding-ding-ding-ding.

While, yes, Jensen has chemistry with everyone and everything, no, show canon has never said Dean is bi.

Thanks. The show has always shown Dean as 100% straight as far as I could see. So the whole Destiel thing confuses the hell out of me. And I can't even process the idea of Wincest. Even Cas as an angel (who should really be pansexual) only always hooked up with women right? So even he was portrayed as 100% straight, despite the fact that it made no sense (see pansexual).

Edited October 1, 2019 by Smad

[gonzosgirrl]

8 minutes ago, Smad said:

Thanks. The show has always shown Dean as 100% straight as far as I could see. So the whole Destiel thing confuses the hell out of me. And I can't even process the idea of Wincest. Even Cas as an angel (who should really be pansexual) only always hooked up with women right? So even he was portrayed as 100% straight, despite the fact that it made no sense (see pansexual).

I fear we're straying too far off topic, but there is a whole faction (including some 'professional' writers/reviewers) who believe that SPN is guilty of queer-baiting. Mostly for 'Destiel' reasons, but always centered around Dean. Google (sadly) will lead you to sources.

[Aeryn13]

If they wanted to throw in a reference that Dean was bi or maybe even just had a "foxhole" one-nighter with a fellow male hunter, they could and would have easily done that in the last 14 Seasons. There are 2 CW shows with a bi lead character and one of them with another bi recurring character. Lucifer has a bi lead character. It`s not such a big deal anymore, even for network TV.

So whatever they reveal about Leo and Dean, I doubt it`s anymore "hey man, long time, no see" and some exposition how they became friends on some hunt years before. I guess Leo would have heard some stories about the Winchesters as any hunter seems to have by now.   

Edited October 1, 2019 by Aeryn13

[SueB]

I think Christian Kane fits the hunting persona perfectly.  It would be a nice tie back to the Stanford years.  

[gonzosgirrl]

45 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

If they wanted to throw in a reference that Dean was bi or maybe even just had a "foxhole" one-nighter with a fellow male hunter, they could and would have easily done that in the last 14 Seasons. There are 2 CW shows with a bi lead character and one of them with another bi recurring character. Lucifer has a bi lead character. It`s not such a big deal anymore, even for network TV.

So whatever they reveal about Leo and Dean, I doubt it`s anymore "hey man, long time, no see" and some exposition how they became friends on some hunt years before. I guess Leo would have heard some stories about the Winchesters as any hunter seems to have by now.   

And Dean had those years after Sam left, and (presumably) months between John leaving and Dean hooking up with Sam again, where he was hunting on his own. It would be awesome if Kane was someone from that time period. Do we know that he's a hunter? Maybe someone from Sonny's or the school Dean was going to then.

[PAForrest]

1 minute ago, gonzosgirrl said:

And Dean had those years after Sam left, and (presumably) months between John leaving and Dean hooking up with Sam again, where he was hunting on his own. It would be awesome if Kane was someone from that time period. Do we know that he's a hunter? Maybe someone from Sonny's or the school Dean was going to then.

The EW describes the character as a "former hunter" and friend of Dean's, so we have to assume he's someone Dean knew when he was hunting with John.

Seeing as this is the second fan fav actor Jensen has helped to get on the show, I certainly hope it's a much better script for Dean than the 300th was.

[Aeryn13]

3 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

And Dean had those years after Sam left, and (presumably) months between John leaving and Dean hooking up with Sam again, where he was hunting on his own. It would be awesome if Kane was someone from that time period. Do we know that he's a hunter? Maybe someone from Sonny's or the school Dean was going to then.

I think the snippet said "old hunter friend" but obviously press snippets and what's actually in the show aren't really synonymous.

[gonzosgirrl]

3 minutes ago, PAForrest said:

The EW describes the character as a "former hunter" and friend of Dean's, so we have to assume he's someone Dean knew when he was hunting with John.

Seeing as this is the second fan fav actor Jensen has helped to get on the show, I certainly hope it's a much better script for Dean than the 300th was.

3 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

I think the snippet said "old hunter friend" but obviously press snippets and what's actually in the show aren't really synonymous.

Thank you. I didn't see the snippet, only Christian's tweets.

Somewhere on Twitter I saw it mentioned that Jensen said they were filming a good fight scene - I hope he isn't fighting with this character. It would be awesome to see an actual friend of Dean's who respects the legendary hunter that he is.

[PAForrest]

2 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Somewhere on Twitter I saw it mentioned that Jensen said they were filming a good fight scene - I hope he isn't fighting with this character. It would be awesome to see an actual friend of Dean's who respects the legendary hunter that he is.

Agreed. Maybe he's fighting alongside Kane's character, against whatever supernatural creature is on deck that week. Fingers crossed.

[tessathereaper]

The thing is if it wasn't for certain factions  I wouldn't even mind if it came out Dean is bi.  Years ago, before Cas, there was some genuine discussion about the possibility.  But now I just feel like it would be pandering. 

Though I have to admit part of me would laugh if Dean was bi for anyone EXCEPT Cas. LOL  It's like see, it's not that he's straight, he's just not that into YOUR guy. 😄

[Smad]

36 minutes ago, tessathereaper said:

But now I just feel like it would be pandering.

From what little I've read about Dabb, isn't that his specialty? Pandering to the fans instead of storytelling and characterization.

[gonzosgirrl]

7 minutes ago, Smad said:

From what little I've read about Dabb, isn't that his specialty? Pandering to the fans instead of storytelling and characterization.

I honestly think this would be a line in the sand for Jensen. He's stated his position enough times* (Destiel is not real/Dean is straight) that it would be a disservice to the character at this point, and I don't believe he'd do it. Nor do I believe they could make him do it.

I would've had zero problem with a gay/bi Dean - hell, I'd ship him with Benny in a heartbeat. But I would hate Dabb & Co forever if they gave in to the small faction demanding that their fanfictions be made canon in this, the last season of the show.

*There are con videos out there - don't ask me to cite them.

Edited October 1, 2019 by gonzosgirrl

[Aeryn13]

1 hour ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Thank you. I didn't see the snippet, only Christian's tweets.

Somewhere on Twitter I saw it mentioned that Jensen said they were filming a good fight scene - I hope he isn't fighting with this character. It would be awesome to see an actual friend of Dean's who respects the legendary hunter that he is.

Well, if he thinks it`s good, hopefully it`s good. With how vocal he still is about that botched marionette fight, I doubt he would let it happen again.

Jensen is very graceful and athletic, I wouldn`t mind at all seeing him in another project in the future that included action scenes. 

The fight choreography in SPN is, bar very few exceptions, hands-down the worst for me on all the longer-running CW shows I watch or watched. Some newbies are pretty bad as well but every other show on the network, let alone some other networks do it better.  

[Myrelle]

1 hour ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I honestly think this would be a line in the sand for Jensen. He's stated his position enough times* (Destiel is not real/Dean is straight) that it would be a disservice to the character at this point, and I don't believe he'd do it. Nor do I believe they could make him do it.

I would've had zero problem with a gay/bi Dean - hell, I'd ship him with Benny in a heartbeat. But I would hate Dabb & Co forever if they gave in to the small faction demanding that their fanfictions be made canon in this, the last season of the show.

*There are con videos out there - don't ask me to cite them.

I could not agree more with all of this.

Every word.

[Casseiopeia]

23 hours ago, Casseiopeia said:

Jeremy Adams is writing this episode. So fingers crossed it's a good one.

[Bobcatkitten]

If Dean had always been bi or curious I would still love him and his character. But to completely throw in being attracted to men at the last minute after 15 years when he has said multiple times that he doesn't swing that way etc. would give me whiplash and be nothing but pandering.  

[Castiels Cat]

On 10/1/2019 at 3:10 PM, tessathereaper said:

The thing is if it wasn't for certain factions  I wouldn't even mind if it came out Dean is bi.  Years ago, before Cas, there was some genuine discussion about the possibility.  But now I just feel like it would be pandering. 

Though I have to admit part of me would laugh if Dean was bi for anyone EXCEPT Cas. LOL  It's like see, it's not that he's straight, he's just not that into YOUR guy. 😄

I seem to recall something about threesomes with Crowley... or was it foursomes... at least it was strongly suggested imo.

The guy has a deep history with bromances.

I agree though pandering to the Destiel crowd wouldn't fly for a variety of reasons. The relationship has taken turns that has left the profound bond far behind for worse I am afraid.

As far as I can recall canon has been pretty clear that angelic Cas doesn't work that way and is largely uncomfortable with human sexuality, pizza delivery man porn notwithstanding, and that was when his angelic powers were waning. Even his relationship with Meg seemed more based on a meeting of minds on his part despite the raw sexuality continually projected by her.

Of course canon means nothing. They could be headed by a love spell. Who knows.

[Castiels Cat]

On 10/1/2019 at 12:54 PM, gonzosgirrl said:

I fear we're straying too far off topic, but there is a whole faction (including some 'professional' writers/reviewers) who believe that SPN is guilty of queer-baiting. Mostly for 'Destiel' reasons, but always centered around Dean. Google (sadly) will lead you to sources.

They read too much into the profound bond and the writers threw in a few tone deaf jokes that people took literally. Cas quite obviously doesn't swing either way as an angel. When he was degraced/depowered he never went for Dean. He always ended up with women.

Yes Dean has close Male friends, probably because they are work buddies. He may have engaged in group sex with Crowley. He has been hit on by both sexes.We have never seen him with a man or heard him say he went home with a man. It would be far easier to pick up men on the road I think. Look how easy it was for the gorgon.

I definitely think that the profound bond was a major plot point and Gamble made it a focus in season 7. Dean mourned Cas throughout the season. it doesn't mean he was mourning someone as a lover.

The level of delusion and dysfunction in this fandom is astounding.

[Pondlass1]

I loved the series Angel and I loved Christian’s character Lindsey. So flawed, so ambitious, complicated when characters were allowed to be complicated (back in the day, rarely happens now in the world of twtterverse when network tv characters must always be nice underneath the nasty cuz that’s what audiences demand now... I guess?)

His chemistry should be off the wall with Jensen. I don’t even think the writing or Dabb’s pacing and patchy editing techniques can ruin it.

excited about this. Hope it kicks it in the ass.

[SueB]

Quote

AS IT IS WRITTEN – Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) together with Rowena (guest star Ruth Connell) work tirelessly to keep all of hell from breaking loose. Castiel (Misha Collins) cannot forgive an arrogant betrayal. Charles Beeson directed the episode written by Robert Berens.(#1504). Original Airdate 10/24/2019.

From K-site.  

[Aeryn13]

New Promo

Well, not so much a promo as more of a recap of "what happened so far". Not a linear progression, some strange choices and so many random clips, including from gag reels. Seriously, promo people?

Something that amused me is no inclusion of Jack.   

[Bobcatkitten]

The chippendale thing was so weird to put in. Other than that I enjoyed it!

[7kstar]

On 9/30/2019 at 12:34 PM, PAForrest said:

It's official, Christian Kane is guest-starring on SUPERNATURAL!

He plays an old hunter friend of Dean's. Cool!

I will look forward to this, and I always thought that Christian and Jensen singing a song together would be cool as their voices would blend together nicely.  Maybe someday.  sigh.

Would be nice if it created an interesting story...but only time will tell...

[Casseiopeia]

[catrox14]

1 hour ago, Casseiopeia said:

Oh please let it be SPN!! I love Aaron and he did not get much of a role the last time we got to see him. 

[Cambion]

1 minute ago, catrox14 said:

Oh please let it be SPN!! I love Aaron and he did not get much of a role the last time we got to see him. 

Yes, plus I loved the idea of the Judah Initiative and he would have been a good recurring character that I think they left untapped.  (Because seriously, the Thule is just gonna let the guy who killed Hitler wander off scott free, hah!)

[gonzosgirrl]

8 hours ago, catrox14 said:

Oh please let it be SPN!! I love Aaron and he did not get much of a role the last time we got to see him. 

On the right side of the pic there are two monitors (?) and it sure looks like Dean (from the back) in the bottom one.

[Aeryn13]

It would make sense within the "bring everyone back" credo.

Though I gotta say in this vein, I would have liked them to bring back the original actors for the MOTW they resurrected. Like Sarah Shahi for the Women in White etc. I know that might be hard but at least make an effort.

[catrox14]

3 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

It would make sense within the "bring everyone back" credo.

Though I gotta say in this vein, I would have liked them to bring back the original actors for the MOTW they resurrected. Like Sarah Shahi for the Women in White etc. I know that might be hard but at least make an effort.

I wonder if Sarach Shahi is not affordable  now.  Or it could be they are only going to kill them again in the first episode of the season so why bother as far as she and her reps are concerned.  

[Aeryn13]

5 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

I wonder if Sarach Shahi is not affordable  now.  Or it could be they are only going to kill them again in the first episode of the season so why bother as far as she and her reps are concerned.  

I totally see the problems but THAT would have been more nostalgia nods to me than "bring back everyone, if it makes sense or not". At least bringing back the MOTW already has been narratively established. Now obviously, there will be a "quick fix for all" because how else would they deal with all the random MOTW from the last 14 years? Singular hunts?   

[catrox14]

3 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

I totally see the problems but THAT would have been more nostalgia nods to me than "bring back everyone, if it makes sense or not". At least bringing back the MOTW already has been narratively established. Now obviously, there will be a "quick fix for all" because how else would they deal with all the random MOTW from the last 14 years? Singular hunts?   

I wouldnt be surprised if they pick one or two monsters from each season and have dispatching them take up 14 of the 20 eps with snippets of the God and jack problem during each, with the final 6 eps being all about Chuck and Jack and the other archangels.  Not even joking. S1 is The Woman in White and Bloody Mary. S2 is the creepy clown and something else. Maybe even Azazel. Etc etc. Im fully expecting s4 Ruby to show up again.

[Casseiopeia]

Lots of spoilers...

[gonzosgirrl]

11 minutes ago, Casseiopeia said:

Lots of spoilers...

I don't believe Misha would basically give away Cas's death if he was actually going to die. That's more than a teaser or spoiler.

[Jonesy]

18 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I don't believe Misha would basically give away Cas's death if he was actually going to die. That's more than a teaser or spoiler.

Yeah, Misha has been predicting a Cas death forever without knowing the ending.  I think this was filmed around episode 2 filming.

Edited October 7, 2019 by Jakes

[Aeryn13]

So they find a "temporary shelter" in the beginning of the Season Premiere. How does that work? And not on their own they don`t. They were surrounded and outnumbered in such a way that simply running away is not an option. So does a Reaper once more zap them to "relative" safety? Still not convinced they won`t go with sudden random god-powers for Sam from that stupid shot. 

Now Jensen said he has come around to seeing the ending as "great" and that it "ticks a lot of boxes" though he acknowledges not everyone can be happy. While that is true - I`m sure even Series Finales I was over the moon for had enough people thinking those sucked - there is still a lot of trepidation over who exactly will not be happy. Any particular group?

And what does he mean the ending "ticked of boxes"? This show isn`t quite like Game of Thrones where a lot of dangling plot threads and character arcs were expected to be resolved in the Finale. Now, they did it in a god-awful way but at least I can see where "ticking boxes" comes in. SPN doesn`t really have a lot of that. Finalizing this year`s arc is not exaxctly a ticky box that has been dangling over the entire show. So, the brothers together ultimately? 

Misha, who I don`t know knows the ending yet, spoke of the show needing real closure. Not sure about it, it`s a show that could get away with an open ending. But I`m not against closure. IF it is okay done, lets stay realistic and not shoot for "well" here. 

Nullifying the entire show so far as "there was never free will until I, God King Dabb, introduced it in Season 15" is just so stupid and I believe will come across so wishy-washy onscreen, I`m just choosing to ignore the hell out of it. 

[ILoveReading]

Are we going to get Jensen singing on an ep?  (and please sing as Jensen.  Not as Dean.  I don't care if if Dean couldn't sing in the past)

[Bobcatkitten]

I think so. Now to figure out the song - about tv brothers? Dukes of Hazard? Blues Brothers? 

[Aeryn13]

I hope it`s not played for goofy comedy relief. And hopefully it`s not just a party night side-story in the episode, I hope it involves some hunting also. 

[gonzosgirrl]

1 hour ago, ILoveReading said:

  I don't care if if Dean couldn't sing in the past)

The only canon Dabb remembers is making a fool of Dean, so I think we know how this will go. 

1 hour ago, Bobcatkitten said:

I think so. Now to figure out the song - about tv brothers? Dukes of Hazard? Blues Brothers? 

TV brothers with a theme song has to be the Dukes.

[gonzosgirrl]

I'll be supremely disappointed if Jensen let's them have 'Dean' sing poorly when he has a CD coming out. We know he can sing, but the general public doesn't.

[ahrtee]

4 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I'll be supremely disappointed if Jensen let's them have 'Dean' sing poorly when he has a CD coming out. We know he can sing, but the general public doesn't.

I think that ship sailed with the DemonDean karaoke.  And Jensen seems to like the comedy bits. *sigh*  

Maybe Dean will be under a spell and can sing like Jensen?  

[ILoveReading]

Dean singing is a simple fix.

Sam- "Dean, I didn't know you could sing."

Dean- "Dad said it was a waste of time and told me to pretend I couldn't so people would stop asking.  I guess the story became..the story.  When I was a demon I just wanted to piss people off."

There, problem solved.

[Bobcatkitten]

The funny part is in season 3 he sang and it was fine and in night moves he sang fine. So the canon isn't even consistent. 

[Myrelle]

2 hours ago, Bobcatkitten said:

The funny part is in season 3 he sang and it was fine and in night moves he sang fine. So the canon isn't even consistent. 

Strict and actual in-show canon viewed over the entire course of the series shows us a Dean who can sing well when and if he tries to or wants to. 

[Aeryn13]

The writer of the episode in question is getting harassed on twitter over it, how Dean can`t sing, how it breaks canon (really, this is where we draw the line?), how it`s just a cheap ploy to help Jensen sell his album (nice). But of course wetting themselves in excitement over Sam powers.