Spoilers With Speculation

[ILoveReading]

I think Jack's spell is going to raise the dead.  All of them.  (Making death the ultimate joke).

This will allow the show to bring back anyone they want.  Jim Beaver is tweeting up a storm about wanting Original Bobby back.  Dabb did ask who they would like to see back.

If this is the route they are going, then I hope we get some old adversaries of Dean.  Like Alastiar, and Benny. 

[Lastcall]

13 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

I think Jack's spell is going to raise the dead.  All of them.  (Making death the ultimate joke).

This will allow the show to bring back anyone they want.  Jim Beaver is tweeting up a storm about wanting Original Bobby back.  Dabb did ask who they would like to see back.

If this is the route they are going, then I hope we get some old adversaries of Dean.  Like Alastiar, and Benny. 

You do know that if any Dean adversary is coming back Sam will kill them right?

[ahrtee]

19 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

I think Jack's spell is going to raise the dead.  All of them.  (Making death the ultimate joke).

This will allow the show to bring back anyone they want.  Jim Beaver is tweeting up a storm about wanting Original Bobby back.  Dabb did ask who they would like to see back.

If this is the route they are going, then I hope we get some old adversaries of Dean.  Like Alastiar, and Benny. 

Oh crap.  They'll go to any lengths to bring back Nickifer, won't they? 

[ILoveReading]

17 minutes ago, Lastcall said:

You do know that if any Dean adversary is coming back Sam will kill them right? 

I'm well aware but at  least we might get some great acting. 

[catrox14]

2 hours ago, ILoveReading said:

I think Jack's spell is going to raise the dead.  All of them.  (Making death the ultimate joke).

This will allow the show to bring back anyone they want.  Jim Beaver is tweeting up a storm about wanting Original Bobby back.  Dabb did ask who they would like to see back.

If this is the route they are going, then I hope we get some old adversaries of Dean.  Like Alastiar, and Benny. 

OHHHH what if they raised OG Death too.  That would be awesome.  Also, where did he go? Is he in the Empty? Does he have some kind of special place? 

And for  those that could come back, GIVE ME HENDRICKSON!

[SueB]

1 minute ago, catrox14 said:

OHHHH what if they raised OG Death too.  That would be awesome.  Also, where did he go? Is he in the Empty? Does he have some kind of special place? 

And for  those that could come back, GIVE ME HENDRICKSON!

This x1000.

[AwesomO4000]

I want Rufus! (Well Rufus and Original Bobby do sort of go together though.)

[ukgirl71]

Can I throw in my wish to have Jessica back?

[PeterKahlke]

I think if the dead do come back en masse, it'll more likely be due to the last angels dying and heaven falling, or Jack killing Chuck.

[gonzosgirrl]

But if the dead are rising as zombies, as implied by that photo,why would we want anybody back? 

[PeterKahlke]

33 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

But if the dead are rising as zombies, as implied by that photo,why would we want anybody back? 

With Mary, we might not notice the difference.

[S Cook Productions]

1 hour ago, gonzosgirrl said:

But if the dead are rising as zombies, as implied by that photo,why would we want anybody back? 

We might get our Pet Sematary scenario after all!

[ILoveReading]

21 minutes ago, S Cook Productions said:

We might get our Pet Sematary scenario after all!

That would be a cool story with Dean.  He dies in the finale and is resurrected in Jack's mass resurrecting and we have a did or didn't Dean come back wrong scenario. 

[Myrelle]

32 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

That would be a cool story with Dean.  He dies in the finale and is resurrected in Jack's mass resurrecting and we have a did or didn't Dean come back wrong scenario. 

I would love this.

[catrox14]

3 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

But if the dead are rising as zombies, as implied by that photo,why would we want anybody back? 

If Heaven dies, then it would be ghosts on the earth, not zombies.  Unless Jack is so powerful he raises everything in the Empty and every monster from Purgatory.  That might be enough to force Chuck and Amara to come off their vacation.  Maybe someone needs to call The Doctor to fix this LOL.

[catrox14]

1 hour ago, ILoveReading said:

That would be a cool story with Dean.  He dies in the finale and is resurrected in Jack's mass resurrecting and we have a did or didn't Dean come back wrong scenario. 

I realize the acting that would be great, I don't know if I want "What's wrong with Dean" thing because that would be a redux of Soulless Sam and they would likely give it the same short shrift they did with Michael!Dean. 

I would rather Dean be the only one left on Earth who is human and he would have to figure out if Sam and Cas are okay. Like everyone else dies but Dean and he gets to do all the figuring out about whatever may have risen. That would make up a lot for how I think Dean has been handled this past couple of seasons.   And I think Dean being the only human would be...well....very Dean.  

[ILoveReading]

2 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

I would rather Dean be the only one left on Earth who is human and he would have to figure out if Sam and Cas are okay

For me this would be just another Sam done come back wrong scenario and just be a repeat of season 3 when Dean has to worry and wonder if Sam was okay. 

I can see Dean's role being very season 8B ish in that scenario.  And multiple other things that belong in bitch/jerk

[gonzosgirrl]

1 hour ago, catrox14 said:

If Heaven dies, then it would be ghosts on the earth, not zombies.  Unless Jack is so powerful he raises everything in the Empty and every monster from Purgatory.  That might be enough to force Chuck and Amara to come off their vacation.  Maybe someone needs to call The Doctor to fix this LOL.

I was basing the comment on speculation based on the photo Jensen shared in which the dead were all rotting corpses/zombies.

[ILoveReading]

Sneak peek.

[SueB]

26 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

Sneak peek.

Oh Sammy.  You can be sad for you.  Mary is great.  Mary's worries are gone.  She left the world in the capable hands of you, Dean & Cas.  

Dean punkin' - you're Mom turning to ash twice.  I can see why you are thinking about that.   

BUT... back to speculation .... they've mentioned God again.  So, will Chuck visit Sam & Dean or will he only speak to Cas? Dean's headspace is not in a good place for a conversation.  I'm not sure he wouldn't risk turning into a pillar of salt this time, he's so salty. (*Dad joke warning*)  But I really want Chuck to talk to them.  And it better not be something that pisses them off more.  Sammy still has faith.  Don't you take that away, it brings him comfort.  And Dean... I don't know what Chuck could ever say to Dean that would ever make things right.  I can think of 1000 things that he could say that would make things worse.  So... I'm anxious about Chuck's impending appearance.

Then again, it's a cliffhanger.  So.... what's at risk here?  Does Chuck tell Cas that he's completely washed his hands of earth so stop calling (i.e. a repeat of S5)?  When last we saw Zombies, their MO was to eat people.  I don't recall Zombism being catching.  But getting everyone back into their grave would be hella hard.  It's not like you bury them with ID.  

I guess I'm assuming Jack is wrapped in 14.19 -- because there really IS no coming back from killing Mary.  Maybe Chuck takes him away.  That would be okay.  

Honestly, I'm more worried about the potential damage Chuck could do than the potential good.  

[SueB]

Photos for "Jack in the Box"

http://www.ksitetv.com/supernatural/supernatural-spoilers-jack-in-the-box-photos/191465/nggallery/image/sn1419c_0253b/

Looks like the Prodigal Son has returned.  And from what I can tell, he may have put himself in the dungeon? That last red-hued picture looks like the dungeon. 

But these photos are usually from early in the episode.  So, we'll see.  

[Myrelle]

Picture 1=YUM!!

But otherwise, Melodrama! looks like the order of the day.

[Castiels Cat]

On 4/14/2019 at 12:06 PM, SueB said:

Zombies or Revenants (not sure I know the difference)

Yes...exactly! It was the first thing I thought of... Jensen's tweeted photo along with "Ruh roh" and at the same time... duh... that's why they didn't burn Nick.

[Castiels Cat]

On 4/14/2019 at 9:04 PM, Casseiopeia said:

They said they had input in the season finale as well.  I'm thinking Jacks spell did more than bring back Mary's empty shell.

Lucifer.  His blood connects him.

I feel in my bones they are setting up a literal reboot of 5 to end 15 that way. 

And I am not giving up on Michael at all. I think he could be the one talking to Jack in his head.

So...

Edited April 16, 2019 by Castiels Cat

[ILoveReading]

Dean feels like a tightly coiled spring that could pop at any minute. 

I wish he would.   I feel like his character needs that catharsis. 

[NougatJack]

https://www.thewinchesterfamilybusiness.com/spoilers/21579-promotional-pictures-for-supernatural-episode-14-19#comment-4424751572

Here are some other pics. Bobby is there, and Jack also returns to the bunker. Castiel wants to go to heaven, I think to investigate the death of Mary.

That‘s good, I really hope they will soon find out who really is responsible for Marys death, and I think heaven is the right place.

Edited April 16, 2019 by NougatJack

[Castiels Cat]

On 4/14/2019 at 12:41 PM, Casseiopeia said:

One eats brains and the other doesn't?

If my gut theory is correct that season 15 will end like season 5 was supposed to then these will be flesh eating zombies a la Dead Men Don't... despite the fact that those appeared to be revenants because they were dead lived ones returned and these look like classic yucky decaying zombies.

Just now, Castiels Cat said:

If my gut theory is correct that season 15 will end like season 5 was supposed to then these will be flesh eating zombies a la Dead Men Don't... despite the fact that those appeared to be revenants because they were dead lived ones returned and these look like classic yucky decaying zombies.

And if the angels get him to resurrect their dead too.... 

[Castiels Cat]

On 4/15/2019 at 6:07 PM, SueB said:

Oh Sammy.  You can be sad for you.  Mary is great.  Mary's worries are gone.  She left the world in the capable hands of you, Dean & Cas.  

Dean punkin' - you're Mom turning to ash twice.  I can see why you are thinking about that.   

BUT... back to speculation .... they've mentioned God again.  So, will Chuck visit Sam & Dean or will he only speak to Cas? Dean's headspace is not in a good place for a conversation.  I'm not sure he wouldn't risk turning into a pillar of salt this time, he's so salty. (*Dad joke warning*)  But I really want Chuck to talk to them.  And it better not be something that pisses them off more.  Sammy still has faith.  Don't you take that away, it brings him comfort.  And Dean... I don't know what Chuck could ever say to Dean that would ever make things right.  I can think of 1000 things that he could say that would make things worse.  So... I'm anxious about Chuck's impending appearance.

Then again, it's a cliffhanger.  So.... what's at risk here?  Does Chuck tell Cas that he's completely washed his hands of earth so stop calling (i.e. a repeat of S5)?  When last we saw Zombies, their MO was to eat people.  I don't recall Zombism being catching.  But getting everyone back into their grave would be hella hard.  It's not like you bury them with ID.  

I guess I'm assuming Jack is wrapped in 14.19 -- because there really IS no coming back from killing Mary.  Maybe Chuck takes him away.  That would be okay.  

Honestly, I'm more worried about the potential damage Chuck could do than the potential good.  

Canon is Chuck responding to Dean. Dean has been the one to change Chuck's story twice in season 5 per Chuck's dialogue (MatEotB and SS) and Chuck answered Dean's cry for help in season 11 (MNIS).

Dean was the one Chuck chose to have the one on one with in season 11 and the one Chuck left nominally in charge of things.

It is strongly implied that Chick let Dean chose the ending in season 11 too (finale).

Jack awakened Cas however someone resurrected him. We did not see the Empty do it. Dean cried out for help in 12 and there is a history of God resurrecting  Cas for Dean presumably.

The show canon is Chuck stepping in because of Dean or letting Dean change what is written.

Edited April 17, 2019 by Castiels Cat

[Castiels Cat]

20 hours ago, SueB said:

Oh Sammy.  You can be sad for you.  Mary is great.  Mary's worries are gone.  She left the world in the capable hands of you, Dean & Cas.  

Dean punkin' - you're Mom turning to ash twice.  I can see why you are thinking about that.   

BUT... back to speculation .... they've mentioned God again.  So, will Chuck visit Sam & Dean or will he only speak to Cas? Dean's headspace is not in a good place for a conversation.  I'm not sure he wouldn't risk turning into a pillar of salt this time, he's so salty. (*Dad joke warning*)  But I really want Chuck to talk to them.  And it better not be something that pisses them off more.  Sammy still has faith.  Don't you take that away, it brings him comfort.  And Dean... I don't know what Chuck could ever say to Dean that would ever make things right.  I can think of 1000 things that he could say that would make things worse.  So... I'm anxious about Chuck's impending appearance.

Then again, it's a cliffhanger.  So.... what's at risk here?  Does Chuck tell Cas that he's completely washed his hands of earth so stop calling (i.e. a repeat of S5)?  When last we saw Zombies, their MO was to eat people.  I don't recall Zombism being catching.  But getting everyone back into their grave would be hella hard.  It's not like you bury them with ID.  

I guess I'm assuming Jack is wrapped in 14.19 -- because there really IS no coming back from killing Mary.  Maybe Chuck takes him away.  That would be okay.  

Honestly, I'm more worried about the potential damage Chuck could do than the potential good.  

Rowena has told us that a nephilim needs both soul and grace. We saw him deconstructing without grace. I think we are seeing him deconstructing without soul now. ( I do like your Maxbeth's wife theory however I do not see how he had any soul left at this point. His power was unstable as soon as he "killed" Michael and swallowed his grace and he has been lying and making bad choices and just pretending.

Anyhoo... I think Naomi got her sights on him when he teleported and killed Nick and tried to communicate with him. His necromancy will definitely get her attention.The Angels will try to get him to help heaven. He will use his powers to resurrect the dead Angel's to repopulate heaven. The massive use of power will destabilize him. He will start to deconstruct and probably explode but not before he teleports somewhere, sacrificing himself.

I know the finale suggests a sacrifice by his father(s). Dean will not he able to do it.  Jack is little Dean. This is Jack's MoC storyline melded onto Sam's soulless storyline.

[MysteryGuest]

I'm not so keen on them bringing back a bunch more people.  They did that last season, and it got old pretty fast.  I'd like less characters next season, not more.  

As for season 15 ending like season 5, I certainly hope not.  If that's their plan, then they can just end the show now, IMO.  I want an exciting end to the series, not a rehash of what was already done.  I've been disappointed regularly by the show runners, so this is probably exactly what we'll get.  This will definitely make it easier for me to deal with the show ending.

[Bobcatkitten]

I want them to pick one or two key characters to bring back but build it into a coherent storyline. Just throwing a bunch of people at us for one scene muddies the season arc. 

[juppschmitz]

Please don't let Dabb go near any of the old characters. Not even the very blandest ones.

He'll just make everything worse, and then THAT'S what's we're going to remember.

[MysteryGuest]

We've still got AU Bobby and Charlie, and Ketch is roaming around somewhere.  They brought John back for an episode, and they just felt the need to kill Mary off.  I can't imagine who they would bring back that wouldn't  seem forced at this point.  

I wish they'd never killed Bobby and Rufus to begin with, because I truly loved those two together.  Having AU Bobby for a few episodes while they were actually in the AU was fun (for those of us who love Bobby), but he's not our Bobby in this world, and it honestly just makes me miss our Bobby even more.  

[SueB]

I don't think they are bringing anyone back but mindless dead things than need to be killed.

[Castiels Cat]

29 minutes ago, SueB said:

I don't think they are bringing anyone back but mindless dead things than need to be killed.

Yeah the tweeted photo makes this point pretty obvious... as does the BotD's catch. You use it to your own benefit however their will be cataclysmic, cosmic dire repercussions for doing so. I would say Jack also raising zombies (and maybe completely Nick's attempt at resurrecting Lucifer which was a magical spell stopped abruptly and perhaps incorrectly) qualifies as the downside of using the BotD.

[Wynne88]

1 hour ago, MysteryGuest said:

I wish they'd never killed Bobby and Rufus to begin with, because I truly loved those two together. 

Me too!  That's a spin off I would have watched.

[Pondlass1]

Bobby and Rufus could’ve been a workable and probably successful spin off.  Unfortunately the CW seeks teens and skinny jeans. But they’re not watching the CW...

[Myrelle]

I'm officially putting my spec out for the last two episodes of the season.

I think that the titles are going to be completely literal.

The Nougatbaby will be in the Malak box by the end of tonight's episode(or early in the finale)and the finale will play out the exact same way as the Biblical Moriah.

Tonight will find the  brothers attempting to get the Nougatbaby into the box(and IMO, he will likely go along as willingly, "innocently",  and trustingly as a lamb, and as Isaac did, while the brothers will wrestle with their feelings and reactions(and possibly fight over it, once the deed is done) and in the end it will be Dean who has to,  once again, harden himself enough to actually do the deed that needs doing, even if that deed involves he, himself, having to sacrifice a family member with his own hands-IOW, Dean will be Abraham-only there will be no faith from Dean to be found in God(or anyone for that matter) to stop what has to be done.

My only wish is that they won't woobify the Nougatbaby in any of this, but sadly, I'm pretty sure they will to make Dean look that much worse for wanting to go through with it; and they may even keep Dean's anger and hostility towards the Nougatbaby alive and well, right up until the end(to further the woobifying, of course), but then hopefully, Jensen will work his magic again and we'll get all of the underlying feelings and layers from Dean after all he's been through this year,  but that was never really touched on by the writing at all, except in the most surface of ways.

Surprisingly even to myself, I'm actually almost feeling hopeful of the finale, at this point. Almost, because we've gotten such an AngryDean up to this point(which I'm pretty sure won't last)but mostly because of Jensen's positivity towards it that he voiced in that one instagram account after wrapping the season and that he mentioned as being worth it for the set-up for next season at the latest convention.

Edited April 18, 2019 by Myrelle
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[SueB]

29 minutes ago, Myrelle said:

I'm officially putting my spec out for the last two episodes of the season.

I think that the titles are going to be completely literal.

The Nougatbaby will be in the Malak box by the end of tonight's episode(or early in the finale)and the finale will play out the exact same way as the Biblical Moriah.

Tonight will find the  brothers attempting to get the Nougatbaby into the box(and IMO, he will likely go along as willingly, "innocently",  and trustingly as a lamb, and as Isaac did, while the brothers will wrestle with their feelings and reactions(and possibly fight over it, once the deed is done) and in the end it will be Dean who has to,  once again, harden himself enough to actually do the deed that needs doing, even if that deed involves he, himself, having to sacrifice a family member with his own hands-IOW, Dean will be Abraham-only there will be no faith from Dean to be found in God(or anyone for that matter) to stop what has to be done.

My only wish is that they won't woobify the Nougatbaby in any of this, but sadly, I'm pretty sure they will to make Dean look that much worse for wanting to go through with it; and they may even keep Dean's anger and hostility towards the Nougatbaby alive and well, right up until the end(to further the woobifying, of course), but then hopefully, Jensen will work his magic again and we'll get all of the underlying feelings and layers from Dean after all he's been through this year,  but that was never really touched on by the writing at all, except in the most surface of ways.

Surprisingly even to myself, I'm actually almost feeling hopeful of the finale, at this point. Almost, because we've gotten such an AngryDean up to this point(which I'm pretty sure won't last)but mostly because of Jensen's positivity towards it that he voiced in that one instagram account after wrapping the season and that he mentioned as being worth it for the set-up for next season at the latest convention.

I think this is entirely likely.  Dabb LOVES his Abrahmic history ('lore').  The only deviation imay be that they are putting him into the sandbox to go to heaven. 

But I think if we have Dean crying in the woods, they may trick Jack into going back into the same woods where Mary died to 'resurrect' Mary. In other words, they will make it seem like Jack can fix this but in fact it's a trap to get him into the box.  Dean will lead, Sam will follow (hence the con comment about their relative placement when Jared dropped trou on Alex's coverage). If it was Alex's last day, I could see Jared going for a really funny stunt one last time.  

And yes, it'll kill Dean to do it and he is the one who will have to.  Because that's how it works.  That's how it's always worked.  Dean IS the leader of TFW.  If that was not evident in "Absence" I don't know how else to convince anyone.  

[Aeryn13]

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Dean IS the leader of TFW.  If that was not evident in "Absence" I don't know how else to convince anyone.  

To me there was nothing in the episode that particularly addressed leadership, Dean`s or anyone elses. I could see episodes in the past that make a case for him being presented as leader (and some episodes that make a case against it) but Absence is not one I`d name. 

[SueB]

29 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

To me there was nothing in the episode that particularly addressed leadership, Dean`s or anyone elses. I could see episodes in the past that make a case for him being presented as leader (and some episodes that make a case against it) but Absence is not one I`d name. 

Twice, specifically, in "Absence", Sam asks 'so what do we do' and looks at Dean.  And twice Dean set the course.  Both times saying "we do what we always do".  The first time the next line was "Fight" and they went to try and resurrect Mary.  Dean also picked Rowena as the mechanism (vice Billy).  Second time the scene cuts to the funeral pyre.  But BOTH times Sam and Cas were waiting for Dean to tell them what to do.  

I think the specific use of those incidents in "Absence" was designed to setup Dean to be the one to seal Jack's fate.  

[Bobcatkitten]

Was anyone else bothered by the fact that Dean last week suggested resurrecting Mary and mentions it again in the preview? Why would they think this is okay - it kind of goes against years of canon.

[Castiels Cat]

1 hour ago, Myrelle said:

I'm officially putting my spec out for the last two episodes of the season.

I think that the titles are going to be completely literal.

The Nougatbaby will be in the Malak box by the end of tonight's episode(or early in the finale)and the finale will play out the exact same way as the Biblical Moriah.

Tonight will find the  brothers attempting to get the Nougatbaby into the box(and IMO, he will likely go along as willingly, "innocently",  and trustingly as a lamb, and as Isaac did, while the brothers will wrestle with their feelings and reactions(and possibly fight over it, once the deed is done) and in the end it will be Dean who has to,  once again, harden himself enough to actually do the deed that needs doing, even if that deed involves he, himself, having to sacrifice a family member with his own hands-IOW, Dean will be Abraham-only there will be no faith from Dean to be found in God(or anyone for that matter) to stop what has to be done.

My only wish is that they won't woobify the Nougatbaby in any of this, but sadly, I'm pretty sure they will to make Dean look that much worse for wanting to go through with it; and they may even keep Dean's anger and hostility towards the Nougatbaby alive and well, right up until the end(to further the woobifying, of course), but then hopefully, Jensen will work his magic again and we'll get all of the underlying feelings and layers from Dean after all he's been through this year,  but that was never really touched on by the writing at all, except in the most surface of ways.

Surprisingly even to myself, I'm actually almost feeling hopeful of the finale, at this point. Almost, because we've gotten such an AngryDean up to this point(which I'm pretty sure won't last)but mostly because of Jensen's positivity towards it that he voiced in that one instagram account after wrapping the season and that he mentioned as being worth it for the set-up for next season at the latest convention.

They rebooted season 6 hard and Jack absorbed aspects of both Sam's (soullessness) and Cas' (taking something into himself/possibly opening up a doorway to another realm IF he resurrects Angels in a misguided attempt to help Dean and heaven). He has 3 fathers and losing control is both Cas' brief season 7 storyline as well as Dean's MoC storyline. Jack has modeled his human behavior mostly after Dean in terms of how to be a man and a hero. I think he will want to sacrifice himself in the end although the Winchesters and Cas, his spiritual fathers, may decide they have to sacrifice him for the greater good with Dean being the one to do it because he always said he would. However in a season 10 finale mirror he cannot.

There may be an endgame Michael twist. Michael wants to kill God and everything about the end of Ouroboros felt hinky to me like one of his set-ups. The head Lucifer could be Michael in disguise. Michael may even have engineered Mary's death to set this all in motion to get God to show. Michael had been shown to be about the long con. Also with nephilim grace and Dean he would be unstoppable. Of course I refuse to accept that they just summarily dropped that storyline, especially after remaking the connection to AT. And people won't like it however Dean immediately wantion to use the BotD is another example of his reckless decision making when his family is at stake which is what Death was talking about. This is what he did when he jumped worlds to save Mary and what he did when he said yes to save Sam and Jack. He put family over the world. It is his tragic flaw. So his storyline is very much still in play.

Edited April 18, 2019 by Castiels Cat

[Castiels Cat]

33 minutes ago, Bobcatkitten said:

Was anyone else bothered by the fact that Dean last week suggested resurrecting Mary and mentions it again in the preview? Why would they think this is okay - it kind of goes against years of canon.

Seasons 12-13 showed Dean's anxiety regarding Mary especially when she was lost in Apocalypse world which touched on psychic trauma around both her original loss and his loss of Sam after season 5. Then he almost loses Sam too and Jack. IMO and Billie's by the way Dean made reckless choices that he should not have to save them. So using the BotD without a thought is a continuation of that storyline, one that Billie references in Nihilism.

I wrote about his arc for WFB last season.

[Castiels Cat]

1 hour ago, SueB said:

I think this is entirely likely.  Dabb LOVES his Abrahmic history ('lore').  The only deviation imay be that they are putting him into the sandbox to go to heaven. 

But I think if we have Dean crying in the woods, they may trick Jack into going back into the same woods where Mary died to 'resurrect' Mary. In other words, they will make it seem like Jack can fix this but in fact it's a trap to get him into the box.  Dean will lead, Sam will follow (hence the con comment about their relative placement when Jared dropped trou on Alex's coverage). If it was Alex's last day, I could see Jared going for a really funny stunt one last time.  

And yes, it'll kill Dean to do it and he is the one who will have to.  Because that's how it works.  That's how it's always worked.  Dean IS the leader of TFW.  If that was not evident in "Absence" I don't know how else to convince anyone.  

He also had always said he will be the one to do it. He also said he would kill soulless Sam if it came to it and literally killed himself, albeit temporarily, in an attempt to find another way.

Killing Mary... Dean went off the rails in season 13. For me he lost his way in terms of being the moral center. I know other Dean girls disagree but I saw a very literal and metaphorical fall from grace for the character in the season finale. He said yes to Michael to save family not to save the world and it was reckless, selfish and wrong knowing what he did. Jumping worlds was reckless and selfish too... and holding a gun to Kaia forcing her to help him do it. He went off the rails. 

I understand why and I personally think the show did a great job of showing it to me. His love for his family superceded anything else. Previously Dean has sacrificed Dean to save them. Now he also said yes to Michael and jumped worlds to save Jack. Jack is as close to a son as Dean will ever have and I  thought the writing for their familial relationship has been excellent.

Jack and Dean's storylines have been mirrored all along. So anything to do with Jack also has to do with Dean.

[Aeryn13]

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Twice, specifically, in "Absence", Sam asks 'so what do we do' and looks at Dean.  And twice Dean set the course. 

To me that isn`t leadership. It displayed several reactions to grief, Sam was more forlorn and Dean was more angry and aggressive which can also look more active. For true leadership depiction I expect a lot more. 

Now it might set Dean up to do the deed with Jack, though the promo kind of suggests that he wants it to be a majority decision that at least Sam signs off on and doesn`t plan to be the bad guy against all else.  

[SueB]

24 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

 For true leadership depiction I expect a lot more. 

From a spoilers perspective, I'm not sure anything 'more' is needed. I'll post some thoughts on Dean's obvious leadership of TFW in the Dean Winchester thread later this week (crashing on a work deadline right now).  

[S Cook Productions]

1 hour ago, Aeryn13 said:

To me that isn`t leadership. It displayed several reactions to grief, Sam was more forlorn and Dean was more angry and aggressive which can also look more active. For true leadership depiction I expect a lot more. 

Now it might set Dean up to do the deed with Jack, though the promo kind of suggests that he wants it to be a majority decision that at least Sam signs off on and doesn`t plan to be the bad guy against all else.  

I wonder where Cas will come down on this...he said himself he thinks Jack is his responsibility over anyone else's- has since before Jack was even born. I can see Cas being ok with it for Dean...but I'm not sure there is anyone else that can convince him killing Jack has to be done. What do you all think?

[Wynne88]

I agree with those who think Jack will end up in the Malak box, with Dean taking the role of Abraham, but I figure God/Chuck will step in at some point to make the sacrifice unnecessary.  Hopefully he'll take Jack up to Heaven or something.

[juppschmitz]

3 hours ago, Bobcatkitten said:

Was anyone else bothered by the fact that Dean last week suggested resurrecting Mary and mentions it again in the preview? Why would they think this is okay - it kind of goes against years of canon.

I wrote my thoughts on that in the "Absence" thread.

And yes,  i was extremely bothered by it (even though I didn't actually watch the episode).