Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[maryle]

The way E. Mitchell explain thing.

Maybe Dairy Queen = Kai

 

It is possible that SNOW Queen is sorta kai in this story her twist mind see normal people as evil and because of this twist mentality she act out to protect the magical. The cause of her twist mind can be a twat heart or trauma from be urned by a family member.

[YaddaYadda]

I wonder if she didn't urn Elsa as part of her deal with Rumple. 

[Curio]

I'm not sure what I was expecting for Emma's date dress, but this wasn't it. It does look like a prom dress.

When I saw Emma wearing the dress in the promo, my first thought was, "Oh, that's cute. She's borrowing one of Mary Margaret's dresses."

 

I like the theory that Ana is in the hat - it makes sense why Will is in town if he's trying to track down the hat and why he might be breaking into the library to research it more.

Edited October 13, 2014 by Curio

[RadioGirl27]

I like the theory that Ana is in the hat - it makes sense why Will is in town if he's trying to track down the hat and why he might be breaking into the library to research it more.

For a moment I thougth you were talking about Anna and I was thinking what the hell has Will to do with Frozen ;-)

If 4B is Will, Hook, Charming and Emma going into the hat looking for Anastasia, while the rest stay in Storybrooke I would be a happy girl.

[sharky]

I was looking over screencaps of the promo and I noticed that Hook has his pirate outfit on in the first clips with Rumple when he asks if Rumple can reattach the hand, but in the clip where they show the hook and hand in the same shot, he is wearing the new outfit. Is this two different scenes or does Rumple change his clothes? I did not think it was the latter because I thought O'Donoghue said that Hook picks out the new look for himself. Does Hook not accept whatever deal Rumple offers him at first and then later changes his mind for some reason? Maybe he decides that the hook just does not accessorize well with the new outfit?

Something wonky is going on there. Because he goes in with his pirate outfit and from this screenshot it looks like he gets the hand attached immediately in the shop itself -- you can see his big pirate coat cuff and the front windows in the background. But this shot with his hand and hook in the same shot is from the back room and he's wearing his new outfit. I wonder if that's from the end and this new hand is going to last only for this one episode. Perhaps part of the reason things go so bad is because he got the hand in the first place. If you watch Emma's reaction when she asks if she should call him Captain Hand, I'm not sure if she's totally pleased with him changing like that just for her -- or pleased with what the potential cost was to him. I don't know -- I have the rest of the week to watch that promo again and again and again. :)

 

Of course, the parallels between Hook making a deal with Gold and Anna making a deal with Rumple are glaring so it will be interesting to see how both of them get out these. I wonder if they get what they want and then realize it's not worth it.

Edited October 13, 2014 by sharky

[scenicbyway]

Thinking more about Emma's dress.  It's incredibly similar (yet less formal) than the dress JMo wore in Monaco this summer for the film festival.  She wore her hair up for that as well, perhaps they were inspired by that look?

 

I do think they are going for a "Princess Emma" look for the date, when have we ever seen her look this "girly"?  I would've expected another dress like in the pilot or even the leather dress from 3.12, it would fit more with Hook's persona even.  I like that they are going the "fairytale" route.  It is worrying that they both drastically changed their appearance for the date.  I like that they put in a lot of effort, but it's a lot of change.

 

Hook should also know better than to deal with Rumple.  Perhaps he's blinded by love because eventually, Belle will find out and Rumple will come for him again.

Edited October 13, 2014 by scenicbyway

[Shanna Marie]

I do think they are going for a "Princess Emma" look for the date, when have we ever seen her look this "girly"?  I would've expected another dress like in the pilot or even the leather dress from 3.12, it would fit more with Hook's persona even.  I like that they are going the "fairytale" route.  It is worrying that they both drastically changed their appearance for the date.  I like that they put in a lot of effort, but it's a lot of change.

She did get her fairytale experience at the royal ball since her last date, so maybe she decided she liked feeling like that, aside from the corset. There was something kind of aggressive about the previous date dresses we've seen her wear, like her clothes were a weapon of sorts (in the pilot, that may have actually been the case). This look is a lot more vulnerable and open. It's a different kind of relationship, so it makes sense for her clothes to be different. His new clothes aren't that different. They're just more modern versions of what he usually wears.

[InsertWordHere]

I totally agree that this deal will not end well for Hook, which is probably why he tries to cut the thing off later on.

 

I've decided that Snow puts the baby down and helps Emma get ready for the date and that is why she looks so un-Emma-like.

Perhaps this car accident will be the thing that triggers Emma to ask Hook out. Near-death experience (well, the second in two days...) can do that to a person.

And that might also explain Emma's tone when asking Hook out. She sounds kind of robotic. Either she was just in an accident or she's incredibly nervous, IMO.

[snarkastic]

After seeing the Dairy Queen go all Magneto-like trying to turn Elsa against her sister, I'm convinced 1000% that she purposely mirror shards Hook to show Emma that non-magic people and magic people can't coexist. Or something.

[YaddaYadda]

That could very well be given the conversation in the woods with Elsa and Hook about how he tries to run away from magic.  So ironic considering he will be dealing with the Dark One.

[Emma]

http://www.abcmedianet.com/Web/dnr/dispDNR.aspx?id=pr69985

“The Apprentice” – After Emma asks Hook out on a real first date, Hook visits Mr. Gold and asks for his hand to be reattached so that he can embrace her with both hands. But magic always comes with a price. Henry and Mary Margaret try to offer hope to Regina when she becomes frustrated over not being able to find a cure to save a frozen Marian, and Will Scarlet attempts to break into the Storybrooke library to find a special book. Meanwhile, back in the Fairy Tale Land that was, Rumplestiltskin is after a magical box that the Sorcerer’s apprentice is guarding, and he may use Elsa’s sister Anna to help him get it, on “Once Upon a Time,” SUNDAY, OCTOBER 19 (8:00-9:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.

Edited October 13, 2014 by Emma

[InsertWordHere]

 

Hook visits Mr. Gold and asks for his hand to be reattached so that he can embrace her with both hands.

Okay, this is lovely. Hook could want his hand back for millions of other reasons, like being able to button his shirt up all the way or something, and I'm sure those other things do play a role, but the fact that the synopsis chooses to highlight that he wants it back so he can embrace Emma is freaking wonderful. I know there are concerns that the show is being ableist by giving him the hand back, and I do have concerns that it will be played for laughs and without the proper seriousness, but I'm still going to be sad when it gets taken away.

[YaddaYadda]

After Emma asks Hook out on a real first date, Hook visits Mr. Gold and asks for his hand to be reattached so that he can embrace her with both hands.

 

So I had a total aww moment because it's really sweet and I think I get the whole dreams part of the promo but facepalm because he's such an idiot!  A sweet one, but still an idiot.

 

I guess Rumple will use Hook for the hat like he used Anna in the fairyback.

[NotBothered]

So who's the apprentice? It can't be Henry, and it can't be Zozo.  I guess it could be Hook, but I still think that's a major stretch.   

 

And does this mean Will is after Henry's book?  That does kind of loop some plots together.  I could imagine that he and Anastasia have somehow been separated and he's looking to find out where she is.   I am however in the very small group that would like them to Just leave Ana out of it.  I didn't particularly like her, or like them together, and wouldn't mind the Knave sticking around without dragging more OUATiW over.

 

ETA: I do kind of think Hook's hand thing is sweet.  And I would probably think it was sweeter if they could hire someone who could actually write to put together the episode summaries.

Edited October 13, 2014 by NotBothered

[retrograde]

Hook should also know better than to deal with Rumple.  Perhaps he's blinded by love because eventually, Belle will find out and Rumple will come for him again.

I think he's probably at least partially blinded by his own bravado. Hook is generally smart and pragmatic, but he does think very highly of himself. He is his own blind spot. Things have been pretty crummy for him since he first came to Storybrooke, but now he's (kinda) got the girl and people (kinda) trust and like him and he's just successfully blackmailed his greatest foe into doing his bidding and everything's coming up Millhouse. I think he probably just gets too cocky and doesn't really think through the consequences. 

 

What I'm interested to know is a) how soon Emma will find out about the blackmail, and b) what her reaction will be. Like will she just be annoyed he messed with someone so powerful, or will she see the blackmail as a moral failing in and of itself? Hard to know with Emma.

 

ETA:

 

So who's the apprentice? It can't be Henry, and it can't be Zozo.  I guess it could be Hook, but I still think that's a major stretch.

The press release lists Timothy Webber as the Apprentice (IMDB has him as appearing in two episodes, this one and 4.08 Smash the Mirror, though IMDB is sometimes wrong). It also says Zoso is in the ep. (It also says "Catherine Bogdanova as spaghetti lady, Garry Garneau as spaghetti man" which isn't ominous, just funny.)

Edited October 13, 2014 by retrograde

[Mathius]

So who's the apprentice? It can't be Henry, and it can't be Zozo. I guess it could be Hook, but I still think that's a major stretch.

The apprentice is the old guy seen on set for 4x08.

And does this mean Will is after Henry's book? That does kind of loop some plots together. I could imagine that he and Anastasia have somehow been separated and he's looking to find out where she is. I am however in the very small group that would like them to Just leave Ana out of it. I didn't particularly like her, or like them together, and wouldn't mind the Knave sticking around without dragging more OUATiW over.

Your group is small because it's wrong. XD But no, seriously, Anastasia is everything Regina should have been, an evil queen with actual self awareness and an honest redemption. She deserves to be on the show, especially if she gets to sass Regina (who -surprise, surprise- is receiving MORE cheerleading from Snow and Henry. UGH.)

Also, it doesn't matter if you didn't like Ana and Will together. They were confirmed True Love, with an epic curse-breaking kiss and everything. That's not something that can be discarded.

Edited October 13, 2014 by Mathius

[YaddaYadda]

but he does think very highly of himself.

 

Well Elsa pointed out that his self-appreciation tended to blind him.  The only person who really adores Hook is Hook.  He's his own cheering section.

[InsertWordHere]

 

Guest starring are Georgina Haig as Elsa, Elizabeth Lail as Anna, Scott Michael Foster as Kristoff, Timothy Webber as The Apprentice, Brad Dourif as Zoso, Catherine Bogdanova as spaghetti lady, Garry Garneau as spaghetti man, Emanuel Fappas as bartender and Elizabeth Mitchell as Snow Queen.

If Kristoff is in the ep, does this mean Anna is reunited with him and they both go in the box at the end of the flashback? Timothy Webber is the apprentice but is Anna also the apprentice? And I'm guessing the bartender and spaghetti man and lady are all extras for the date.

[Guest]

What I'm interested to know is a) how soon Emma will find out about the blackmail, and b) what her reaction will be. Like will she just be annoyed he messed with someone so powerful, or will she see the blackmail as a moral failing in and of itself? Hard to know with Emma.

 

I think it will be something along the lines of 'you know I'm afraid of losing you because everyone I love dies and you take unnecessary risks for no good reason.'

[retrograde]

I think it will be something along the lines of 'you know I'm afraid of losing you because everyone I love dies and you take unnecessary risks for no good reason.'

But will she see it as a breach of trust? It kind of is, because Rumple lying (not so much about the dagger itself, but knowing about that means you know he potentially lied about remembering Elsa) is information he should have told her. It could help Elsa and help keep the town safe, but he has chosen to keep that information to himself for his own personal gain (even though he probably believes he's doing the hand thing for Emma).

[Mathius]

Elizabeth Mitchell said they're filming the "arc's finale" now. 4x09 is being filmed now. So the formula is upheld: the main arc is wrapped up in the 9th episode (like leaving Neverland and defeating Zelena), while the remaining two episodes are a two-parter that leads into the next arc (like Pan's curse and Emma's time travel adventure.)

Edited October 13, 2014 by Mathius

[Rumsy4]

The hand-thing with Hook is so sweet, and it's going to be heart-breaking when he loses it again.

So, they're adding in the idea that Rumple was after the Hat back in the EF. I guess he failed to gain possession of it in the past, which somehow led to Anna (and Kristoff) being trapped in that trunk.

[pezgirl7]

My gut reaction is to say that Emma dressed in a way that Killian/Hook would appreciate and he dressed (including a hand) in a way that he thought she would appreciate.

 

 

It's all so very Grease, isn't it? "You're the one that I want, oooo oo oooo" :) I thought in the promo Hook had his new outfit on when he got his hand back, but the sleeve does look like his old jacket. So since there's a shot of him in the new outfit holding up his hooked hand, I'm going to go with him returning to Rumple asking for his Hook back, and that shot is from right after it's reattached. If he's the one asking for it back, it won't be too heartbreaking, I don't think.

[NotBothered]

I wonder if he gets it back two separate times?  He makes a deal and gets it for the date, but then decides he wants it back for good and makes an even worse deal that he immediately regrets. 

 

I'm having problems keeping spoilers straight right now.  Do we know if the hook is back by the end of the episode?  I know we had that shot on the docks with the bandages at the end of the next episode, but for some reason I thought it looked like the hand stuck around for an episode or two before the hook reappeared.

[YaddaYadda]

I'm having problems keeping spoilers straight right now.

 

You and me both!

 

Hook does wake up on the docks with Rumple hovering over him and he still has his hand and the bloodied knuckles.  So I'm guessing Rumple is about to serve him the whole "but magic comes with a price, Dearie."

 

The date goes to hell, who knows how he and Emma part ways.  He punches Will, finds a machete and bandages to take his hand off, flips his lid even more...this is great acting opportunity for Colin.

[Serena]

We only got 100% confirmation that the hook was back in episode... I think 7? The one where Emma freaks out and her magic goes crazy and almost kills David. Killian was there and he had his hook. It's possible (actually, IMO, likely) that he gets it back as soon as 404, but we don't have any filming pics of Colin with the hook in 405 and 406, so we can't be sure.

[retrograde]

I feel like there were filming spoilers that suggested he still had the hand in 4.04, though he could get the hook back by episode's end. And I could also have things confused.

After spoiler overload for 4.01 and 4.03, I'm actually kinda glad we (well I) know so little about 4.05-8.

[FurryFury]

Also, it doesn't matter if you didn't like Ana and Will together. They were confirmed True Love, with an epic curse-breaking kiss and everything. That's not something that can be discarded.

 

It's Once Upon A Time. Regina killed and raped Graham practically on-screen. Everything can be discarded.

[NotBothered]

Also, it doesn't matter if you didn't like Ana and Will together. They were confirmed True Love, with an epic curse-breaking kiss and everything. That's not something that can be discarded.

I know it absolutely doesn't matter that I didn't like them.  The heart wants what the heart wants (and it wanted Alice and the Knave).  I was just stating a personal preference. 

 

I do think that the whole Will/Ana issue is complicated though.  Not many people watched that show.  The vast majority of the viewing audience isn't going to really care about the complicated cannon from a show they didn't care enough to tune in for (I watched that show and I am still confused about what exactly happened by the end).  They're either going to have to find an interesting way to slot in a lot of exposition to make the people who didn't tune in understand what is going on, or they are going to have to take some liberties with the established cannon.   I honestly don't care what they do as long as it means more Michael Socha on my tv. 

[scenicbyway]

I got the impression that the scene on the docks with hung over Hook, the bandages and Rumple, took place at the end of the episode.  I think we'll see Emma ask him out, Hook ask for his hand back, and by the time they get around to the date we'll be more than halfway through the episode.  We know the date doesn't end well, so I'm guessing that in the last ten minutes we see Rumple admonishing Hook at the docks and we'll see the supplies, but not Hook actually cutting it off (because ick, and we've seen him lose it before).  I predict the Hook will be back by 4.05, why else have all the supplies there at the end of this episode?

[Mathius]

I do think that the whole Will/Ana issue is complicated though. Not many people watched that show. The vast majority of the viewing audience isn't going to really care about the complicated cannon from a show they didn't care enough to tune in for (I watched that show and I am still confused about what exactly happened by the end). They're either going to have to find an interesting way to slot in a lot of exposition to make the people who didn't tune in understand what is going on, or they are going to have to take some liberties with the established cannon. I honestly don't care what they do as long as it means more Michael Socha on my tv.

A&E had stated that Ana and her status would still be a factor that the show would address in a way for people who didn't watch OUATIW, and that "Will has a connection with a character from Season 1", which I can't think of anyone else that could be but Cinderella, Ana's stepsister, who will likely be used to introduce Ana to unfamiliar audience members (that Jessy Schram was at the S4 premiere event makes me think this even more.)

Also, a little over 3 million viewers watched OUATIW all the way through, which is almost a third of the steady audience for OUAT's third season (which, combining live and DVR viewers, was 9 million.) So A&E are aware that at least a third of their audience would cry foul if stuff from that show was just swept aside, they have mentioned "viewers who have watched OUATIW" before so they are well aware they exist and matter. If they didn't feel they matter, then Will, the most popular character from the show amongst them, wouldn't have been brought into OUAT at all. And since most of those same fans also like Ana and her and Will's relationship....you do the math.

Edited October 13, 2014 by Mathius

[snarkastic]

We only got 100% confirmation that the hook was back in episode... I think 7? The one where Emma freaks out and her magic goes crazy and almost kills David. Killian was there and he had his hook.

Oh, yeah, I forgot to add this into my Dairy Queen turning Emma against non-magic people, even it's for their safety. Can you imagine Emma's state of mind then? 'Oh, no, I'm hurting everyone I care about. I should stay away.' and evil!Hook just like, 'Cool, works for me.'

 

I still think Will coming onto this show has something to do with Malificent. The show seems to be connecting him to the Merry Men rather than Wonderland, and she's a character from season 1. Maybe he's looking for some book for her. I still want Malificent's plot to be hijacking Regina's 'villains get a happy ending' storyline and everyone who crossed her (like half the cast) getting their just desserts.

[Mathius]

I still think Will coming onto this show has something to do with Malificent. The show seems to be connecting him to the Merry Men rather than Wonderland, and she's a character from season 1.

They weren't referring to Maleficent since they specifically said a STORYBROOKE character from Season 1, meaning a citizen, not a monster sealed up in a cave below town.

However, seeing as his falling-out with Robin AND him and Ana going to Wonderland was all because of a special looking glass he stole from Maleficent, I definitely agree she likely plays a part in his story here.

Edited October 13, 2014 by Mathius

[Serena]

Oh, yeah, I forgot to add this into my Dairy Queen turning Emma against non-magic people, even it's for their safety. Can you imagine Emma's state of mind then? 'Oh, no, I'm hurting everyone I care about. I should stay away.' and evil!Hook just like, 'Cool, works for me.'

Although from the reports of that particular scene, Hook seemed to be reaching for Emma. So if that happens, it should be in episode 8/9 (or, well, in 7 but later than that particular scene).

I'm just hoping, if they decide to do that, they wouldn't make it too over the top. If Hook starts going "Emma who?" and people don't automatically go WTF, I'm gonna cry bullshit. "Adores Emma" has been pretty much 70% of Hook's characterization for at least a season. 

 

Didn't we have news of some Disney princess filming for S4, like in about episode 6 or 7? I don't know why, I'm vaguely remembering hearing that Sarah Bolger was in town filming.

[pezgirl7]

I just watched the promo again for next week's episode, and I'm pretty sure the shot of Hook shown right after Emma says "I'm here to ask you out" is from another scene. It actually looks like Hook has his back to Emma when she asks him, perhaps he's throwing darts? Hopefully he doesn't accidentally hit someone with a dart from the shock. LOL That's assuming he knows what "asking you out" means. I can also see him being all "Sure, we can go outside, but it's kind of cold..."

[chrisvee]

As long as I feel confident that Emma and Hook are destined, I can enjoy these little obstacles.

[Leia1979]

 (It also says "Catherine Bogdanova as spaghetti lady, Garry Garneau as spaghetti man" which isn't ominous, just funny.)

 

Please let this mean someone stuck "Lady and the Tramp" into the date scene.

 

I'm kinda bummed that I know the date won't go well, but maybe that will make it less disappointing in the long run.

[Dianthus]

Still not happy about the whole Hook makes a deal with Rumple thing, but... love makes you do the wacky. Also, too, Emma does remember Hook's real name, right? Gah. Hopefully she's all 'you're so much more to me than this' re; his hand.

IMO, it's super ironic that Emma's reluctant to be with Hook given her track record, while Hook is still rarin' to go, given his track record (ok, one of those deaths was his brother and they both happened less recently). I know people are different, but still... 

Edited October 14, 2014 by Dianthus

[Serena]

I just know I'm gonna call complete bullshit if they have MM be super involved in the Regina storyline next episode and ignore Emma completely. Miss "All I wanted was to help you prepare for your first ball" should be ALL over helping Emma get ready for the date.

[MaiLuna]

I just know I'm gonna call complete bullshit if they have MM be super involved in the Regina storyline next episode and ignore Emma completely. Miss "All I wanted was to help you prepare for your first ball" should be ALL over helping Emma get ready for the date.

Maybe she would if the date was with Neal :P

[patchwork]

From the heavy emphasis Will put on being a thief and always being a thief I think his return has to do with not being able to cut it as the White King and he's returned to Storybrooke to prove his unworthiness to himself.  Essentially Hook's missing year arc has been recycled. 

 

Add a leather jacket to that dress and you have a mix of modern day Emma and Princess Emma/Leia. 

[Serena]

Several people are going to the Once set today, and are asking for question if you wanna tweet them.

 

Here and here. 

I asked the KSiteTV guy if being traumatized by Graham's death AND wanting to be friends with Graham's killer won't cause conflicting emotions in Emma. You know, trying to politely express "THAT IS DUMB AS HELL".

[daxx]

I was thinking about the arc for Killian and his hand.  We know this will be "quite the favor" and will entail a price just as high. Gold only has so much leverage against Killian so will use this to the best of his ability. We also know Killian is smart and doesn't trust Gold. 

I believe that Rumple will buy Killian's silence with the hand. Telling him that as long as he doesn't tall anyone about the dagger switch he can keep the hand. I believe though that the deal is not summarized correctly when Killian agrees to it and that the hand will prevent him from telling anyone about the dagger.

Either during the date or shortly after Will will distract them and during apprehending him it becomes clear that Killian must tell Emma about the dagger. He realizes he cannot so his plan is to remove the hand himself. This is the scene at the docks with a drunk Killian, bandages, a knife and a tourniquet.

He realizes he cannot remove it, then scene with Rumple gloating in the morning. 

Eventually he asks Emma to remove it using her magic so he can tell her what Rumple is up to. 

I assume this is during or after his arrest scene. 

What do you think? Plausible?

[RadioGirl27]

The more I think about the hand stuff, the less I like it. While I don't mind Hook going to Rumple in "Rocky Road" because it makes sense in the context of the episode, Hook making a deal with him, even a small one, it's stupid and out of character. He knows Emma is scared of loosing him and yet he goes to make a deal with his archenemy, a deal that includes magic? So stupid, and Hook can be many things, but stupid is not one of them. It also bothers me that we should believe that he wants his hand back now, when he has never showed a hint of wanting it back in the prevoius seasons, and he actually seems to love his hook.

So, again, we have a character acting stupidly to get to the supposedly amazing twist A&E have prepared.

Edited October 14, 2014 by RadioGirl27

[KingOfHearts]

 

So, again, we have a character acting stupidly to get to the supposedly amazing twist A&E have prepared.

Or to get more gifs on Tumblr circulating for the free publicity. They've got CS shippers on a string this season.

Edited October 14, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[YaddaYadda]

I've sort of been wondering if Hook doesn't want his hand just for the evening, something like Cinderella where he goes on his date and then at midnight, the hand goes and the hook is back but then he made a deal with Rumple who makes a habit of playing with words and double-crossing everyone.  From the synopsis posted yesterday, it sounds like he just wants his hand back for one purpose.

[ShadowFacts]

I agree it is stupid and out of character for Hook to be deal-making/blackmailing Rumpy.  I mean, he remembers how he lost the hand in the first place.  It is stupid for anyone with prior experience to be making a deal with him, unless maybe in a life and death situation.  And then you pretty much should know you're going to be screwed in the end. 

[Jean]

This show is low on logic (more like nil) and anyone vs. Rumple is going to require a checking of the brain at the door. It's never going to be an equal playing field with him. I have hopes with the DQ and maybe Emma in a season or so. I'm willing to let it play out though just for the sake of seeing Colin and Robert together. I mean Rumple with Hook, Anna, and the DQ with a goal in mind with the hat? I'm a happy camper. I hope Kristoff gets to interact with Rumple too. That would be a hoot.

 

And I must be the only one that doesn't think the date ends up badly in a major angsty way for Hook and Emma. I think it ends badly in a more comedic way and the angst is from them as individuals but as a couple they won't be in a bad place. I get the feeling that the date is a turning point for them as a stable established couple so that after Hook and Emma can go stretch their legs individually. They're going to table the couple angst. Emma will get the drama stuff with the DQ and Elsa and Hook will get the drama stuff with Rumple and they'll collide somehow at the end of the arc.

 

I'm not a big couple fan so the date doesn't do much for me, except that I hope it provides some serious comedy. Other than that I will admit that the shot of Emma asking Hook was adorable. She looked absolutely petrified. That alone might be worth it,

[maryle]

 I just reread the Mitchell arcticle and she said that the SQ could be redeemable

 

So we know that Emma and the Snow Queen have an emotional connection to each other. Emma has forgotten about that connection. 

 The theory that the Swow Queen is kai than Emma must be Gerda or  it could be the opposite.

But these two characters could save each other in some way.

Emma tries to make the SQ realise that all normal people are not so bad and the SQ helping with her past childhood

[Mari]

Both Elsa and the DQ mentioned rock trolls in the last episode. At this point I'm not buying that Anna had them wipe Elsa's memory, but is it possible at all it will come up when it comes to Emma's lost memories?