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It sounded like JMo started to say they're happy but cut herself off. I didn't expect their relationship to suddenly be smooth sailing. They both have issues. According to season one, Emma's only had one night stands. She's been closed off.

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When everyone realized Rumple and Regina weren't coming back, they had a big celebration and put on a cloaking spell so they can never be found or contacted ever again.

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At least someone is freaking out over Emma's darkness. Keep giving a shit, Hook! You're pretty much the only one who does...

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HER GRANDMA IS EMMA! Are they being serious with this?

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LOL at JMo's "Yes ... some ... no" answer. I'm still going with my head canon for now that Elsa and Anna got urned, and Kristoff is working at the ice cream shop.

 

I think JMo totally spoiled it there. Later in the interview, Colin and Josh say they'd been told to make this "Mmmm" sound when asked questions they weren't allowed to ask (when they are asked who Mitchell's character is supposed to be). It's the same sound they are making when JMo says "Yes" to the "Have the Frozen people been living in Storybrooke all along". I agree that whoever it is (and I do think it is Kristoff) is working at the new ice cream shop.

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KingOfHearts

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I agree that whoever it is (and I do think it is Kristoff) is working at the new ice cream shop.

If that's true, it confirms Frozen is in the Regina/Snow Era, and Arendelle is likely to be in the Enchanted Forest. Blech.

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I'm supposed to be swearing off spoilers thread, but since I did watch that video with Snow... darn, so much for hoping Knave was delayed until 4B.  I like him but too many characters to service!

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Mari

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If that's true, it confirms Frozen is in the Regina/Snow Era, and Arendelle is likely to be in the Enchanted Forest. Blech.

Double blech.  Any calls on how the White family did Elsa's family wrong so that people got the impression Elsa was a villain?

 

 

 

Can we take a second to reflect on the fact that Hero Regina never bothered to let Sidney out until she needed him to do evil?

I'm reflecting.  I'm trying to figure out if they'll just ignore that, or frame it as he was too evil for her to let just run around reporting the news.

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retrograde

retrograde

If that's true, it confirms Frozen is in the Regina/Snow Era, and Arendelle is likely to be in the Enchanted Forest. Blech.

Is it possible Anna and Kristoff were off honeymooning/visiting the EF when the curse hit?

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I don't know if this really spoilery enough to post here, but now I'm REALLY looking forward to Hook's new outfit!

Interviewer: What do you think of Hook’s new street clothes?

Colin: It’s gonna look great, that’s all I’m gonna say.

JMo: He’s had a fitting

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kili

kili

TVLine has some spoilers from the preview and interviews.

 

I like that they are going to finally explore the Henry/Gold relationship (“We’re definitely exploring that relationship [between Henry and Mr. Gold] more,” series cocreator Adam Horowitz teased, adding that they just shot a “beautiful scene” between the two.)

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Featherhat

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I really hope RC plays it with at guilt or at the very least some awkwardness with Henry after everything. But it is passed time they explored this relationship, I just don't want it to become a clone on Henry and Regina (and so the Charmings and Emma) became. Belle is enough of that.

 

Anna looks good in the flesh and I like this pic of Elsa better than the 1st one. Storyline and how it affects characters to be involved remains a big wait and see but the visuals seem ok. I like the new poster. I'm fond of that shot of the town and whatever madness is going to be coming signposted on it.

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Rumsy4

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Maybe Henry will be the one who discovers the dagger thing

Excellent idea! Blood Magic could be part of how Henry stumbles across the Real Dagger while working in Gold's Shop. Would Rumple go back to wanting Henry dead again?

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I doubt they'll be going there with Hook again.

Unless maybe someone else is deflecting suspicion away from themselves and onto him, so the audience knows he's innocent but there's doubt raised with some of the other characters. Like, if Rumple's playing "nice" and wanting to hide his activities when theoretically he shouldn't be able to do whatever since Belle holds the dagger, he might try to frame Hook, and you know Belle would jump to believe it. The others might be torn because they've learned to trust Hook, but then there's that dagger, so it couldn't have been Rumple.

 

But, really, I think one of the main people who can't be trusted is Rumple, since he holds the dagger and can do whatever he wants to but is making it look like Belle holds the dagger, and therefore he can play totally innocent because it's impossible for him to have done whatever, like killing Zelena.

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myril

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So Emma is returning to "her old, evil ways", right? 

 

 

And now that Emma has brought back Robin Hood's wife, Marian, and possibly sparked the end of Regina's relationship with him, will she return to her old, evil ways and do everything in her power to get even?

 

(And now that Emma has done this, and possibly done that, will she return to her old ways)

 

Of course I know they mean Regina. But it made me laugh. The fine art of writing.

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Blood Magic could be part of how Henry stumbles across the Real Dagger while working in Gold's Shop.

 

Whose bright idea is it to let Henry loose in Gold's shop?  That's like letting a bull into the China shop.  Maybe he'll accidentally do something dumb to pave the way for a new megavillain in 3B.

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KingOfHearts

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Whose bright idea is it to let Henry loose in Gold's shop?  That's like letting a bull into the China shop.  Maybe he'll accidentally do something dumb to pave the way for a new megavillain in 3B.

 

My flashbacks of the lawn-gnome-Henry nightmare intensify. Although, using Henry to unlock the dagger plot would be a creative idea. It would give him SOMETHING to do when he's not coddling Regina or house hunting with Emma.

 

I only wish that the nightmare was real...

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KAOS Agent

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Brilliant idea to have the kid work in a shop among all of Rumpel's evil deed trophies. Who wouldn't want their pre-teen digging through things like Geppetto's puppet parents, Hook's hand, Pandora's Box and the Dark One's dagger? It also makes perfect sense that he'd join in the family business of selling stolen goods. Lovely. 

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.@robertcarlyle_ said today in the #OnceUponATime press room that he is going to film his very first scene with Elsa on Monday! #OUAT

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retrograde

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I get what people are saying about Henry and the pawn shop, but honestly, I'm willing to handwave it if it actually gives him something to do this season. Give the poor kid a mystery to solve or something. I could also see Belle being... not a friend, obviously, but someone he can talk to. 

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KingOfHearts

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even Regina would think that was a good idea.

Especially Regina, because she knows the kind of hells Rumple's stuff can conjure. She doesn't even want Henry near her vault.

 

 

 

I get what people are saying about Henry and the pawn shop, but honestly, I'm willing to handwave it if it actually gives him something to do this season. Give the poor kid a mystery to solve or something. I could also see Belle being... not a friend, obviously, but someone he can talk to.

I'm in the same boat. Belle is technically his step-grandmother now, so that would be a good relationship to build on. They both love books and stuff too, so I'm sure they'll have lots to talk about. 

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They could have an Enablers' Book Club.  If Robin can get away from Marion, he can join in too.

 

I decided to choose their selections:

- Novel: The Enablers by C.D. Lind

- Non-fiction: The Enabler: When Helping Hurts the Ones You Love by Angelyn Miller

- Music CD to play in the background: "End Note" by Enablers

 

They can drink tea with their chipped cups, imagining it's good for them to drink from a container with a razor sharp edge.

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KingOfHearts

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If the Knave didn't have Anastasia, I would ship him with Regina so hard. He'd really be perfect for her. He knew and worked for Cora, was part of Robin's Merry Men, and has been in love with snobby royalty before. He doesn't take things too seriously, but he's as loyal as a puppy. 

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Souris

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So we know now that Rumple has interactions with both sisters.

 

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Edward Kitsis teases us with the hint "What happens when Anna meets Rumple?"

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Unfortunately, I think he would draw the line at village massacre.  Jafar might be a possibility, but he was still outright evil, and would need a lot more redemption time to catch him up to Regina.  Plus as much as I liked the actor on "Lost", he was way too cheesy in the role.  He wasn't able to "ground" the character like the Rumple and Regina actors were able to.  If they casted Hans right, that might be a possibility but his personality doesn't really mesh with Regina's either.  His intentions are actually more akin to Cora's.  

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KingOfHearts

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Unfortunately, I think he would draw the line at village massacre. 

You're right, I didn't think about that. Anastasia never did anything like that, and I don't think she ever killed anyone. I was really just looking at their personalities. Of course, you wouldn't see Robin as a person who would go for village massacring either, but here we are.

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kili

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Unfortunately, I think he would draw the line at village massacre.

 

Oh FFS, she was just being Bold and Audacious. So judgy![\Adam & Eddie]

 

Even for Disney villains, Regina took it a bit far. 30 years of rape. Children killing. Village massacres. Burning Snow White at the stake. Murdering her own dad. There isn't a character in the Disney pantheon shown to be that evil.

 

Any guy she gets with is going to have to be able to skip the drawing of lines.

 

The Sheriff of Notingham might have been a good choice if he wasn't shown to be such a whiny loser (and if he still had a tongue and still able to walk after that beating). Waste of a character. The source material is rich and Alan Rickman showed he can be interesting. Gaston could have worked (if Rumple hadn't turned him to rose). Kronk can look past evilness and could make good use of her kitchen (and Rumple hasn't maimed him yet). I like the idea of Hans. Somebody slap a lion tattoo on him...stat!

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KingOfHearts

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Even for Disney villains, Regina took it a bit far. 30 years of rape. Children killing. Village massacres. Burning Snow White at the stake. Murdering her own dad. There isn't a character in the Disney pantheon shown to be that evil.

 

Replying in Villains thread, but what I said was that Frollo was exactly like Regina as far as the abuse/massacring goes. Details in Villains thread.

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Ding ding ding ding.  We've got a match!    I'd love to see a Bachelorette edition with Regina and all the male Disney villains.

 

She's bold and audacious AND has a resilient heart.  Will she find her soulmate, uh, I mean true love?  

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kitticup

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Brilliant idea to have the kid work in a shop among all of Rumpel's evil deed trophies. Who wouldn't want their pre-teen digging through things like Geppetto's puppet parents, Hook's hand, Pandora's Box and the Dark One's dagger? It also makes perfect sense that he'd join in the family business of selling stolen goods. Lovely. 

It's better than crushing hearts like his paternal gramps, adoptive mom and adoptive grams.

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KingOfHearts

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She's bold and audacious AND has a resilient heart.

 

Let's see who's behind Door No. 3... it's Hades!

 

Hades enjoys long walks in flames of hellfire and loves to have long conversations with forsaken souls. He's charming for all the ladies - dead or alive! If you choose him for your date, he promises to celebrate with his favorite sinfully delicious dessert, Devil's Food Cake!

 

Regina really needs a grayer character. Does the Knave have a brother? 

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stealinghome

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YESSSSSS omg they're actually giving Charming a backstory and a connection to the new characters? Am I actually dreaming? Have I died and gone to fan heaven? Did Josh Dallas have to bribe the writers with thousands of dollars? (Also, I have to say: "childhood friend" is a lot less contrived than "long lost random relative we pulled out of our asses." Good trend, writers! Keep it going on that front!)

 

I have to say that I HATE the magic=addiction "metaphor" that the show tried to push in S2 and looks like they may also be pushing in S4. Regina and Rumpel's problem isn't magic, people. It's that they're sociopathic human beings who don't give a crap about murdering dozens of other people. Magic is a tool, but not the problem.

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Souris

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A friend that changed the path of David's life? To a shepherd from ... what? I would say George coming to get him to impersonate James was a pretty big life change.

 

Hmm, an early CS obstacle that's internal to Emma but JMo can't talk about it? I can come up with interesting theories that would involve Emma flashbacks, but I'm afraid it's just going to be her stupid guilt/self-punishment over the Regina/Robin/Marian thing.

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stealinghome

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A friend that changed the path of David's life? To a shepherd from ... what? I would say George coming to get him to impersonate James was a pretty big life change.

 

Hmm, an early CS obstacle that's internal to Emma but JMo can't talk about it? I can come up with interesting theories that would involve Emma flashbacks, but I'm afraid it's just going to be her stupid guilt/self-punishment over the Regina/Robin/Marian thing.

But Jen has been very up-front about saying that she doesn't feel bad for saving a life, but does feel bad for "interrupting" Regina's, so if what's messing with Captain Swan is just Emma's guilt, I don't know why she wouldn't just say that too. I think (hope? delude myself?) that it has to be something else.

 

Re: Charming, I remember back before S3, Adam and Eddie hinted that we were going to find out what happened to make Charming so Charming. And then we obviously never got it in S3...so perhaps we're going to see it in S4? Some event early in his life that convinced him to (actually) be selfless, brave, and true?

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Serena

Serena

So excited for Charming backstory and whatever-it-is that's holding back Emma. I think it's gonna be something new, because if it were plain old "fear of abandonment from her past" or "Regina guilt" she would definitely say it. 

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RadioGirl27

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But Jen has been very up-front about saying that she doesn't feel bad for saving a life, but does feel bad for "interrupting" Regina's, so if what's messing with Captain Swan is just Emma's guilt, I don't know why she wouldn't just say that too. I think (hope? delude myself?) that it has to be something else.

They are promoting the new season, so they have to be misterious and don't give away too much. It' s more efective to say what she has said than say she feels guilty and bad for Regina.

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myril

myril

Re: Charming, I remember back before S3, Adam and Eddie hinted that we were going to find out what happened to make Charming so Charming. And then we obviously never got it in S3...so perhaps we're going to see it in S4? Some event early in his life that convinced him to (actually) be selfless, brave, and true?

 

Was he a bit of a rascal as young man, taking risks, caring little, and probably hoping to marry some rich girl to have a lazy, adventurous life? And James was actually the charming toddler but then was turned around by the lovely education of King George? Just wondering why we should be in need of another life changing moment in David's past.

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patchwork

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Maybe David ran away, planning on being an adventurer and making his fortune but when he met Kristoff /Will something happened to send him back home?

 

I suspect Hook will become the Snow Queen's thrall early in 4A but it's going to take time for people to realise his heart's been frozen. Which could explain the costume change, he's never bothered with trying to fit in that way before, and the problems Jen is talking about. 

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Serena

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I suspect Hook will become the Snow Queen's thrall early in 4A but it's going to take time for people to realise his heart's been frozen. Which could explain the costume change, he's never bothered with trying to fit in that way before, and the problems Jen is talking about. 

It could happen, but the problem Jen is talking about was described as "internal" and related to Emma's past. So if Hook becomes cursed by the Snow Queen (even though it'd be a bit repetitive, since he was cursed by the Wicked Witch last season, and we also had a storyline where people didn't know about it) that would be in addition to what Jen is talking about.

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RadioGirl27

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Was he a bit of a rascal as young man, taking risks, caring little, and probably hoping to marry some rich girl to have a lazy, adventurous life? And James was actually the charming toddler but then was turned around by the lovely education of King George? Just wondering why we should be in need of another life changing moment in David's past.

Any storyline that gives David something to do is good for me.

Now we just need a storyline for Hook not related to Emma, but it looks like we are back to 3b with Emma doubting their relationship and he following her as a puppy. I don't want it to be all rainbows and sunshines but there are many stories they can tell about Hook and Emma without going back to her walls and her inner struggle and that include both characters.

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