Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[legaleagle53]

So, how will this new character be related to either Regina or Rumple? Rumple's long-missing mother? Cora's even more evil sister? And how will some member of Snow's family have mildly insulted her, thus being entirely responsible for her evil?

 

Have you been eavesdropping on the writers' brainstorming sessions again?

[Kaw912]

See everyone, this is what we get for bringing up Elizabeth Mitchell so much in the first place. Now we just need to keep saying "we really hope that Marian dies and Regina and Robin are able to ride off into the sunset together" and then maybe it won't happen that way.

[RadioGirl27]

I loved Elizabeth Mitchell in Lost and hated her in Revolution, so I don't know what to think about her being in OUAT. But, really, there are too many new characters, I'm really worried about Snowing, Hook,Emma and Belle and their screentime (we know Regina and Rumple are save).

 

Ugh, I already hate season 4 :-(

[Curio]

As long as the show doesn't end up making Mitchell play the older version of Elsa who ends up in Storybrooke, and the younger actors only show up in flashbacks... I can handle whatever character she ends up portraying.

[NotBothered]

Ugh.  I guess we should have expected this.  Everything for this season was so surprisingly promising so far.  Cappie! Etta! Potential Hook back-story!  And then this. 

 

Too many new characters.  Too much stunt casting.  Too much Lost.  Too much Elizabeth Mitchell, who I didn't even really like on Lost.  She tends to come off rather cold in my opinion, but maybe that will make this the first time she actually works for me.  I hope.

 

ETA: I'm seeing some speculation that Mitchell is the actual Snow Queen to not!Snow Queen Elsa.  I could potentially be on board for the plot.

Edited July 8, 2014 by NotBothered

[Rumsy4]

Maybe it's Elsa and Anna's long-lost mother, who was saved from drowning and had lost her memories and turned evil?! :-p

[Selina K]

Title spoiler tweet - A Tale of Two Sisters.  

 

Let's hope that Regina isn't one of them ... again.

 

ugh - ignore me - i missed this in the midst of the Elizabeth Mitchell talk!

Edited July 8, 2014 by selinak

[legaleagle53]

We were talking about that upthread for a bit before the news about Elizabeth Mitchell's casting broke, selinak.

[sharky]

Ughhhhhh! They didn't specify how long she would be on the show, did they? I don't totally mind it but only if it's for an episode or so like Cora. I just miss our main characters. Why can't we see more of the everyday life of Storybrooke like season 1? There has to be some point where they stop pulling out a new villain and start focusing on the heart of the show again. I feel like this is season 4's version of Neverland when we all missed Storybrooke.

[maryle]

I liked Mitchell on Lost , but I'm very afraid that so many new character ; Robin, the knave, Elsa, Anna, Kristof will sideline the main cast or that the story goes everywhere without focus. But I want them to surprise me with this Frozen storyline. Will see!

[Amerilla]

I loved Elizabeth Mitchell in Lost and hated her in Revolution, so I don't know what to think about her being in OUAT.

 

 

I was just the opposite. Rachel and Miles on Revolution were my favorite dysfunctional relationship outside Rumbelle. Can she bring Billy Burke with her? That would make me happy.

 

I may be proven wrong, I don't think this is going to amount to much. It could be like Jorge Garcia doing a couple guest spots in S2 (although hopefully a better story), rather than a Barbara Hershey-esq 12-episode arc. But I share in the general shiver at the idea of them trying to balance the Outlaw Queen-Marian story AND the Frozen story AND adding in the Knave, PLUS all our regular characters. They have enough trouble plotting one story at a time. Feels like Snow and David and Belle and Rumpel are going to be largely backgrounded, at least in 4a.

[Camera One]

You know our hope that there won't be a villain in 4A?  It's totally going to be Elizabeth Mitchell's character.  Her smug smile will be ingrained into all our brains by the end of Season 4.

[RadioGirl27]

I was just the opposite. Rachel and Miles on Revolution were my favorite dysfunctional relationship outside Rumbelle. Can she bring Billy Burke with her? That would make me happy.

Really? The only actor from Revolution I wouldn't mind to see on OUTA is David Lyons (and Giancarlo Esposito, of course).

Edited July 8, 2014 by RadioGirl27

[Serena]

Oh, that just reminded me they may take the opportunity of Revolution's cancellation to tell us what happened to Sidney!

[daxx]

Could the young Anna and Kristof they cast be for flashbacks only and Mitchell be Anna in the present day?  Elsa still young due to being trapped in the urn for who knows how many years. Older Kristof not yet cast or dead/lost?  Maybe losing her true love and her sister caused her to choose the path of Evil.

[KAOS Agent]

I'm not entirely sure how spoilery this is, but I'll ask this here since it does involve cast comments about future storylines. Does anyone else find it strange that Jen referred to Hook as her sort of boyfriend at Oz Comic Con and both she and Colin were so restrained about the idea of Captain Swan in all of their appearances/interviews last year, but Lana and Sean are running around conventions talking about how Outlaw Queen is true love (which has never been said on the show). So the Marian storyline isn't at all in doubt? There's no need to be cagey at all? I'm confused as to why no one is concerned about leaving the conclusion of that storyline at least somewhat open. Last year, I figured Captain Swan was going to be a thing, but there was always doubt to give it some drama. Why even bother with Marian at all if the actors are just going to run around and basically say Regina/Robin is a totally done deal?

Edited July 9, 2014 by KAOS Agent

[Mari]

I'm not entirely sure how spoilery this is, but I'll ask this here since it does involve cast comments about future storylines. Does anyone else find it strange that Jen referred to Hook as her sort of boyfriend at Oz Comic Con and both she and Colin were so restrained about the idea of Captain Swan in all of their appearances/interviews last year, but Lana and Sean are running around conventions talking about how Outlaw Queen is true love (which has never been said on the show). So the Marian storyline isn't at all in doubt? There's no need to be cagey at all?

Well, from what I've been reading on the appearances thread, it could be they're afraid of protests and/or death threats?  I

[YaddaYadda]

But are Lana and Sean talking about the whole pixie dust thingy that's never wrong and basing whatever they're saying off that?  I'm still not sure why Marian was brought into this, but guess we'll find out soon enough.  I guess the whole thing could be perceived as "destined" by fairytale standards whereas Emma and Hook are going the more conventional route because of who Emma is and the world she grew up in?  I don't know, does that make sense? 

[maryle]

The a way I could be aboard with it. She really is the snow queen from the original like some people already speculate
she’ll be the original Ice Queen (Elsa aunt) who  have cursed Elsa(baby) this way that explain how Elsa got her powers and we get to have the real Ice Queen story with a twist.

still too much character for not enough screen time.  This writers like big twist and shinny new character(toys) so they can forget about all the character development of the main cast.

I wish just for once they focus on this amazing cast and the character they create instead to just made them adjust at some plot twist

[sharky]

Could the young Anna and Kristof they cast be for flashbacks only and Mitchell be Anna in the present day?  Elsa still young due to being trapped in the urn for who knows how many years. Older Kristof not yet cast or dead/lost?  Maybe losing her true love and her sister caused her to choose the path of Evil.

Perhaps but my problem with that is that Anna and Kristof are supposedly in 8-10 episodes in the half season so that would mean almost EVERY episode would be a Frozen flashback and just...yuck.

As for Hook/Emma vs. Regina/Robin, I think part of it is pacing. Hook/Emma took a long time to develop so perhaps that's why Jennifer and Colin are more cagey about it.

[Souris]

I'm not entirely sure how spoilery this is, but I'll ask this here since it does involve cast comments about future storylines. Does anyone else find it strange that Jen referred to Hook as her sort of boyfriend at Oz Comic Con and both she and Colin were so restrained about the idea of Captain Swan in all of their appearances/interviews last year, but Lana and Sean are running around conventions talking about how Outlaw Queen is true love (which has never been said on the show). 

 

I'm sure part of it is because poor JMo gets jumped all over by SQ and SF fans whenever she says anything remotely positive about CS. It's UGLY. I mean, she ended up feeling like she had apologize and clarify in a lengthy Facebook message after she recently said that it would've been hard for Neal to be Emma's happy ending because he'd betrayed her so much. Factual and fairly benign, right? Well, you would've thought she said she liked skinning and eating puppies for the way some Neal fans reacted. Actually, I am pretty sure they would've been less reactionary to the puppies thing.

 

Whereas Lana never seems to get online guff about anything she says, even if maybe it's a little dodgy, so she can give her opinion freely. Sean seems to benefit in that from being her on-screen romantic partner. Colin seems determined not to say anything too concrete except on benign matters, which, given the fandom, is probably the wisest course of action.

 

It's a huge shame, because I feel like JMo is one of the most thoughtful of the actors about her role and the things she tries to imbue into it, but she gets so much blow-back for no reason.

Edited July 9, 2014 by Souris

[sharky]

Although to be fair, Lana does get some crap for her own Swan Queen stance but JMo has to deal with two crazy shipper bases and not just one. And yes, I think Colin just keeps his mouth shut for a reason. The poor guy blushes just talking about Hook's crush on Emma.

[maryle]

Does anyone else find it strange that Jen referred to Hook as her sort of boyfriend at Oz Comic Con and both she and Colin were so restrained about the idea of Captain Swan in all of their appearances/interviews last year, but Lana and Sean are running around conventions talking about how Outlaw Queen is true love

 

 

 

 

It is a really good question and my personal head cannon is that the creator does not care as much for the romance aspect of the Outlaw Queen than they did about the Emma Hook Neal triangle.

I'm just looking at how faste OQ happened ,is much more to arrive at the twist ( Mariam return) and the consequence . But for Emma they (the writer ) said we will see every step and Jmo refere to Hook as sort of boyfriend. There still doubts about tha relation tree years after they meet.

It just a very different narrative.

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[Joenigma]

 

there are too many new characters, I'm really worried about Snowing, Hook,Emma and Belle and their screentime (we know Regina and Rumple are save).

 

I too am a little worried, I do think the premier they'll get limited screen-time because they'll probably start it off with Elsa. Anna, and Kris living in the Castle following the events in Frozen and maybe show Elizabeth Mitchell's character ruining their happy ending. She'll be the one who trapped Elsa in an urn and if she is going to be the evil "Snow Queen" she could have placed Arendell under a deep freeze, leaving Anna and Kris to only the premier and flashbacks. 

[Camera One]

Maybe Elizabeth Mitchell will be another one of Rumple's old flames.. an evil mother who gave birth to two sisters who are misunderstood and... oh wait a minute, why does this so sound familiar?

[stealinghome]

Maybe Elsa and/or Anna are actually Rumpel's illegitimate children!

[Serena]

But are Lana and Sean talking about the whole pixie dust thingy that's never wrong and basing whatever they're saying off that?  I'm still not sure why Marian was brought into this, but guess we'll find out soon enough.  I guess the whole thing could be perceived as "destined" by fairytale standards whereas Emma and Hook are going the more conventional route because of who Emma is and the world she grew up in?  I don't know, does that make sense? 

Well, I personally think Sean pimps OQ so much because it's kind of the whole reason for his employment. There's not much to his character beyond that. Are there even huge RH fans who aren't also huge OQ fans? So by getting people excited about OQ, he's showing A&E what kind of fan interest he can bring to the show.

Lana just has that kind of bubbly, excited for anything personality :) she even gets excited for Regina pairings she shouldn't, like Regina/Graham...

Colin is just shy when talking about romantic storylines. He gets REALLY REALLY red (just go watch the TV Fanatic interview with him and Jen!) and starts blabbling and can't spit it out. Like he was still saying Hook "kind of likes" Emma after he had already filmed the Jolly Roger.

Edited July 9, 2014 by Serena

[Geeni]

 

mean, [JMo] ended up feeling like she had apologize and clarify in a lengthy Facebook message after she recently said that it would've been hard for Neal to be Emma's happy ending because he'd betrayed her so much. Factual and fairly benign, right?

 

It is a fact. Though I find it funny because I got the impression that she only said that because she's going along with what the writers are doing. I guarantee you if Hook had been the one that died instead, she would have said it never would have worked because he personally locked her and her mother up and left them to die, not to mention tried to kill her family and people she knows/likes (Archie and Belle). Which he did. 

Edited July 9, 2014 by Geeni

[maryle]

 

I find it funny because I got the impression that she only said that because she's going along with what the writers are doing. I guarantee you if Hook had been the one that died instead, she would have said

Well, honestly it seems that JMO knew early ,(at least since Good forme) the way the triangle were headed, in some interview she will talk about how Hook keep surprising(good ways ) her but just talk about the many problems with Neal or about the fact that Neal is the father of her child. That never sounds as romantic as how much she gushes over the kiss in Good form. So she knew and sell the story the writer put on the show.

That's why she got more hate, she opens up with what she believes was the storyline and for some people that was too much against their ships or head cannon.

Outlaw Queen its just really too fast and weird!

There are fans that get really really excited about that storyline (triangle) but the ending is so obvious!

OQ could become the next snowing real fast. All they have for them its the pixie dust connection.

Regina  "You are my soulmate"

Robin" We are fate.."

After a half season of that it will be boring, so will they keep Mariam for all year just to keep the drama going. That kind of a scary thought!

[Serena]

Damn, I called it! Sidney is coming back.

[sharky]

What the hell? Are we going to see anyone from the main cast in the premiere? Or is it just going to be a stunt casting episode?

[FAU]

Damn, I called it! Sidney is coming back.

 

Yes, at least he has something to fall back on once Revolution was gone.

[InsertWordHere]

Well, it could just be another mirror voice-over like he did last season, but I do hope they at least manage to show us what he is up to now. I hope he didn't get sent back to the mental ward when the new curse was cast.

[FAU]

Well, it could just be another mirror voice-over like he did last season, but I do hope they at least manage to show us what he is up to now. I hope he didn't get sent back to the mental ward when the new curse was cast.

 

I hope it's something more since last time was just part of a flashback.

[Serena]

Since the premiere flashback is supposedly Frozen-related, is he gonna be part of that storyline? Or will we finally find out if Sidney's been released?

[InsertWordHere]

If it is a flashback, maybe he trapped Elsa when he was a genie? Now that i think of it, being trapped in an urn is kind of like being trapped in a lamp.

[Shanna Marie]

Putting on my former media trainer hat, I would say not to read too much into what the various actors talk about in personal appearances as it relates to the show. Some of them seem to be more outgoing and represent the show almost as though they're fans of it, pushing for the relationships and characters they like and the way they see things, regardless of what's in the script. JMo may be bubbly, but she also strikes me as rather reserved and thoughtful, even going back to her House days. She's dealt with a lot of the crazed side of fandom in her career so has learned not to say anything or speculate much about what might happen, and even commenting on what actually did happen will get her a lot of hate. She seems smart enough to know better than to talk too much about what's happening, relationship-wise, even if she's seen it in the script, because if she talks about it, the fans treat it as though it was her idea. Meanwhile, Colin is, as has been noted, painfully shy, and he's very new to this level of public attention. He also strikes me as very thoughtful, so when he does actually speak, he parses his words carefully.

 

In other words, the way the actors have been talking in the off-season doesn't necessarily mean that next season will be all about Robin and Regina exploring their True Love while Emma and Hook barely look at each other.

 

My professional opinion is that there are some members of the writing staff and cast who could desperately use some media training, and JMo either learned very well on the fly or has been trained. And no, I'm not volunteering. I prepared CEOs to speak with the business and trade press and helped tech people translate what they did into English that reporters could understand. Dealing with the entertainment media is an entirely different ballgame. Though it would be fun to see if I could make certain members of the writing staff cry or get defensive as a way of preparing them for a worst-case-scenario interview.

[Aliasscape]

Okay, Adam's spoiler today made me happy. Perhaps the best thing about shooting in Canada, they can actually bring in a reindeer. I was a much bigger fan of Sven than Olaf. 

[Mari]

 Though it would be fun to see if I could make certain members of the writing staff cry or get defensive as a way of preparing them for a worst-case-scenario interview.

Do you have specific members in mind or are you open to suggestions?

[Artsda]

If they're bringing on all the Revolution actors, why not the best one? Bring on David Lyons.

[InsertWordHere]

David Lyons would make a good Daddy for Charming and James if they ever show him in flashbacks.

[kili]

Okay, Adam's spoiler today made me happy

 

What did he say? I know they have reindeer available in Vancouver (there are some at the local Zoo and Grouse Mountain always has a a few of "Santa's Reindeer's" as part of their Christmas month long festivities.

 

I loved, loved Sven (both the blonde one and the antlered one - "Who's the funky looking donkey over there?" "That's Sven" "Uh-huh, and who's the reindeer?")

[Aliasscape]

He tweeted that filming has begun and then tweeted a pic of what's probably a section on the call sheet for today. "REINDEER ON SET TODAY. PLEASE KEEP A SAFE DISTANCE."

 

I also figured they'd bring back Sidney Glass. Honestly every actor they've lost to filming another series they've brought back the second that series was cancelled, Anastasia Griffith, Meghan Ory and now Giancarlo Esposito. 

 

Heh, I used to analyze the type of interviewers each member of the cast was. To me, the top 2 are Jennifer and Josh. They're quick processors, answer questions specifically which is nice so even if they get asked the same question multiple times, the slight twist in the way it is asked will adjust their answers.  I also really liked the way Meghan handled in the press in general and Robert Carlyle cracks me up because well, he honestly doesn't care and will say what he wants to say, including spoilers when he feels like it.

 

Ginny and Lana come up next. Ginny's pretty good but can ramble, and tends to start talking, change her mind and backtrack. Lana will just slow her speaking to a crawl while she thinks until every ...single .word. becomes. it's. own. sentence.   To give herself time to complete thinking it out. But it bugs me a little bit when you realize she took 60 seconds to say something she could have said in 10.

 

Emilie has a tendency to start a and thought and get half way into it and just stop talking whenever she feels you know what she means. I always imagine it's a nightmare for people trying to quote her because what do you do when the actress doesn't give you a full quote and expects you to finish the  sentence in your head.

 

Colin's so shy they rarely let him do a solo interview.

 

 

edited because obviously I'm still half asleep and typing sentences that make no sense. 

Edited July 9, 2014 by Aliasscape

[Shanna Marie]

Do you have specific members in mind or are you open to suggestions?

On the writing staff, probably the big two. I wouldn't pick on Jane because I've actually worked with her on a project before and she's cool. But Adam and Eddy desperately need help in dealing with the public. I don't know if I would feast on their tears the way I used to do with CEOs, but one thing you have to do with very arrogant people is break them down enough to make them realize that they don't know everything before you stand a chance of teaching them anything. They used to bring me in to play the role of the Reporter From Hell in a worst-case scenario mock interview and then write an article based on what they said in that interview, which usually didn't give the impression they wanted. After that, they were a little more open to being taught. It was a lot of fun at times. I'm not sure how receptive these guys would be because it looks like they're always getting what I'd consider the worst-case scenario in social media and articles, and it doesn't seem to bother them.

 

I'm very happy about Sven the reindeer (is that short that they used for the initial trailer in which Sven and Olaf battle over the carrot on the DVD? Because that was almost more fun than the actual movie), but it does make me giggle a bit because that's a family name on the Norwegian side of the family. I may be distantly related to that reindeer. I will giggle even more in this context.

[kili]

"REINDEER ON SET TODAY. PLEASE KEEP A SAFE DISTANCE."

 

Awesome! Any indication where they are shooting? It would make sense for the reindeer to be wherever they are setting Arendelle, but it would be great to see a reindeer walking down the street of Storybrooke. Emma does a great double-take. It would be like the Moose in Northern Exposure (and random ungulates walking through small towns really does happen), although how they would explain a reindeer in Maine I do not know.

[NotBothered]

Seeing some theories on Tumblr right now that because Robbie Kay posted a picture from a plane today he's on his way to Vancouver for S4.

 

I'm not sure if I'm hoping this is real or not.  I loved Robbie, but we are DROWNING in secondary characters and guest stars right now...

[legaleagle53]

Well, it could just be another mirror voice-over like he did last season, but I do hope they at least manage to show us what he is up to now. I hope he didn't get sent back to the mental ward when the new curse was cast.

 

I'd love to see him out and about -- and thoroughly pissed off at Regina.

[Camera One]

Seeing some theories on Tumblr right now that because Robbie Kay posted a picture from a plane today he's on his way to Vancouver for S4.

 

Oh please no.

 

 

What the hell? Are we going to see anyone from the main cast in the premiere? Or is it just going to be a stunt casting episode?

 

It looks like it'll be a stunt casting Season 4 at this rate.

 

The only solace is, these writers really don't use half the actors they bring on.  Look at Aurora.  She was in the season finale, but she didn't even get a line!  And she didn't even get to stand there when she was actually mentioned by another character!  

[stealinghome]

No, no, no, NO to more Pan or Zelena. Liked both the actors a lot, am thoroughly sick of the characters. Please no!

 

Also, I'm actually going to say boo to Giancarlo Esposito coming back. He's been good in other shows but I was always less than wowed with him on Once...there are a number of secondary characters I'd rather they bring back over him.

[FAU]

I'd love to see him out and about -- and thoroughly pissed off at Regina.

 

Shame the writers prefer Poor Regina instead.