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5 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

One of my cousin's daughter fiancée is missing in South Dakota after the boat he was in capsized while he and a friend were duck hunting. Sadly, his friend did not make it. My cousin's daughter is pregnant, and she is trying her best not to go into labor. They called off the search for now. The weather is not pleasant right now with snow and below zero wind chill temps.

OMG that is dreadful news.  Sending positive vibes in their direction.

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19 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

He did not make it. The other guy in the boat with him was his brother. His poor family lost two sons and brothers. The baby is due on the 18th, but she may come earlier.

I am so sorry.  Tragic.  Sending good thoughts.

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Thanks everyone.

Saw the endocrinologist this morning. My blood tests look good, so no changes in the med dosage. I see him again in six months. He did tell me I should take a calcium supplement because of a higher risk of osteoporosis due to the one med I am on for the Acid Reflux Disease and stomach cramps. It is so nice to have a doctor who actually checks to make sure my thyroid med and the other med do not interact with one another in a bad way. A certain out of town quack who shall remain nameless certainly would not have taken the time to check.

Now on to the GI specialist appointment on the 27th. I started getting bad cramps again last night. It still hurts.

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Wow, that is horrible news. I remember hearing last year of a similar situation where two men died when their boat capsized during a storm. Thank goodness my brother and dad don't duck hunt anymore.

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On 12/7/2016 at 9:20 AM, bigskygirl said:

He did not make it. The other guy in the boat with him was his brother. His poor family lost two sons and brothers. The baby is due on the 18th, but she may come earlier.

I am so sorry. What a tragedy for the family and fiancée. I can't imagine enduring the loss of both brothers. May the new baby bring comfort to everyone.

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Their father was a great father untill he met his girlfriend who has 7 kids had first one at 14 and doesn't know who is the father of any of them, He decided to say fuck his kids and I will be my girlfriends kids father so she got him removed as the father.

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23 hours ago, Rabbittron said:

Their father was a great father untill he met his girlfriend who has 7 kids had first one at 14 and doesn't know who is the father of any of them, He decided to say fuck his kids and I will be my girlfriends kids father so she got him removed as the father.

Sorry, confused...please fill me in...is this a continuation of an earlier prayer closet story? Been lurking more than posting on this page lately.

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2 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

Sorry, confused...please fill me in...is this a continuation of an earlier prayer closet story? Been lurking more than posting on this page lately.

Continuation of why I have permanent custody of my 2 nephews 

 

2 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

Sorry, confused...please fill me in...is this a continuation of an earlier prayer closet story? Been lurking more than posting on this page lately.

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2016 can blow for all I care.  GAWD, what a year.  My bad year started when mama went on her last downhill skid during Christmas last year.  We had the work party at our house for my husbands shop on Saturday.  I asked "what did we do last year?" And they said we cooked out AT the shop.  I hate doing that - it's dirty and dusty and they do greasy, nasty work there.  (We don't have one of those sweet smelling shops you can comfortably live in).  I said "did I go???"  I don't even remember.  Horrible, horrible time. 

I have to confess I'm a little bit superstitious too.  Like on birthdays, or moving days, or holidays, there's always this morbid crack in the festivities because everything bad that happens is attached to a date.  Sometimes good things too, but how many times have you heard "she would have been 6 in 3 days"?  Or "and they had a terrible wreck on the way home from _____"?

I love thenholidays, i do.  I'm a kid about Christmas.  But I swear, some dark macabre part of my brain is waiting for the other shoe to fall.  It's not something I dwell on, or let myself stew over - it's just there, like a tuning fork vibe.  When we have a big family event (wedding, party, etc) I always breathe a secret sigh of relief the next day when it's all over and everyone is safe.  Isn't that ridiculous?

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Oh, HFC, not ridiculous at ALL.  I relate to this post so much.  Life dealt so much to our family all at once that I became superstitious about birthdays, etc., in just that same way.  Stuff always seemed to happen then.  It also seemed like any time I arranged for a week off for, you know, "vacation", it **always** wound up that someone got sick, died, etc.  I became paranoid about planning for time off and barely ever took any.  That other shoe was always, always just about to fall.  Now that we've passed through the biggest storms and I'm not as exhausted and anxious, things are better, but -- like you -- I have big chunks of memory blocked.  I hope things can settle for you, too.  Your posts always touch me and I wish healing and rest for you in the wake of your sucky 2016!  You've had more than your share of sucky.  {{{{HUGS}}}}

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2 hours ago, Happyfatchick said:

2016 can blow for all I care.  GAWD, what a year.  My bad year started when mama went on her last downhill skid during Christmas last year.  We had the work party at our house for my husbands shop on Saturday.  I asked "what did we do last year?" And they said we cooked out AT the shop.  I hate doing that - it's dirty and dusty and they do greasy, nasty work there.  (We don't have one of those sweet smelling shops you can comfortably live in).  I said "did I go???"  I don't even remember.  Horrible, horrible time. 

I have to confess I'm a little bit superstitious too.  Like on birthdays, or moving days, or holidays, there's always this morbid crack in the festivities because everything bad that happens is attached to a date.  Sometimes good things too, but how many times have you heard "she would have been 6 in 3 days"?  Or "and they had a terrible wreck on the way home from _____"?

I love thenholidays, i do.  I'm a kid about Christmas.  But I swear, some dark macabre part of my brain is waiting for the other shoe to fall.  It's not something I dwell on, or let myself stew over - it's just there, like a tuning fork vibe.  When we have a big family event (wedding, party, etc) I always breathe a secret sigh of relief the next day when it's all over and everyone is safe.  Isn't that ridiculous?

I don't think it's ridiculous either...Right now I'm really worried about my dad making it through the holidays...not that he's particularly at death's door, but his heart is very weak, and, at 85 he's obviously not going to be around forever...just that no one knows how long he might have. He could still putter along for a couple of years, I suppose, or he could go anytime, and I just fear that it will coincide with or happen just before what would be a happy/anticipated occasion. 

I worried that something would happen before his & Mom's 60th anniversary a few months ago, I worried about Thanksgiving, and now Christmas. I worry about the two-week visits I have planned in January and March to see my husband who is working out of state...I worry about Mom's birthday in February and his in April...there are just so many "bad" times for a sad event to happen. Not that another time would be "good", but comparatively less traumatic, I guess. 

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My new job is kicking my ass. There, I said it.

I love all of the people I work with, but the workload is enough for 2-3 people, they've just thrown things at me and expect me to pick it up immediately (I've been there for a grand total of 6 weeks now), and I feel like I'm barely keeping my head above water. My old job refused to promote me, so I had to leave, but I'm exhausted.

I really, really need to start playing the lottery seriously. I'm tired of the rat race.

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{{{HUGS}}} for everyone!

The weather is starting to piss me off. I already shovel the sidewalk and driveway twice today, and it looks like we got around another inch of snow. I will not go outside to shovel again until tomorrow afternoon when I head out to the mailbox. We are going in a second week of cold and snow. Why not snow, bring the temps up, and melt the freaking snow instead. I wish I could go hibernate with the bears until mid March. They have the right idea. Plus the fact, they do not sand and plow the side streets where I live until we get around three inches. Well guess what, we already have a combine of three inches outside from last week and today. UGH!!! I hate it when we still have snow from earlier snow storms. It is not fun to drive or walk on. And of course, once they do decide to plow and sand, we are not allowed to shovel our driveways because they need to finish plowing. Makes it more fun to have to pull over, get out the shovel and dig out the blasted snow pile out of the way to park your vehicle. Don't get me wrong. The snow is pretty, and the idea of a white Christmas is fine, but when we get the snow and cold before Christmas, it can make a person a little cranky. I guess we got spoiled by the nice November weather.

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Yeah, I got a big group hug for everybody too.  And individual side hugs, if you prefer.

I understand all of this...life was never shall we say 'easy' anyway, it was challenging and I do enjoy a challenge - but this year was way way above and beyond the call of duty on the screw you over roster.  My father, Captain Oblivious, must have decided to throw salt into my already bandaged up emotional wounds and decided to give away stuff of my mom's yesterday.  Now...the clothes and books I have no problem with.  I have a pile of a few cookbooks that I'm eventually going to bring home and that's it.  However, he thought it would be a good idea to give the neighbor lady (who I do like) my mother's cookie cutters.  

Ya know...Ma loved to bake.  Cookies, bread, cake - nothing fancy but I think it was her way of bringing you something to comfort you and show you she cared, because she couldn't say stuff like that in words.  They're nice too, the old red ones, a bunch of them, Tupperware from the 60's and late 50's and some she had just collected over the years.  No, they aren't priceless - but it really stabbed me in the heart.  I told him that those were something I would have liked to have kept and he said 'oops' and brushed it off and went on to tell me that so and so brought him food the other night.  The neighbor is very nice, always wonderful to my mother so I'm not going to say anything and I know they will be treasured.  But geez...that was hard.  It's really hard some days, all the frustration of dealing with Captain Oblivious, and all the other junk.  It's been a hard hard 18 months.

At any rate, I did get a spark of good news about my vehicle...it's totaled but the insurance company is being very good to me.  So one thing has worked out in this whole stupid black hole of a year.  

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awww cherrymalotte, that would break my heart. i am so sorry. 

i know you guys in the snow hate it so early but i am enjoying the cold, gray days we are having here in sotehern california. we are calling for three days of solid heavy rain at the end of the week and i can't wait!

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The weatherman on a local news station said we could be up to twelve inches of snow with ground blizzard conditions on Thursday. Boo!!! Hiss!!! I could build an igloo for fun, but we are also expecting a round of below zero temps with the snow.

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I am with y'all. We had a good year in parts. We moved here and are enjoying it. I had my thyroid issues and every time we think of what we did here during the past year I say "and I was feeling crappy for that".  I had my heart issues in the summer which who knows what that was about because heart is fine and effusion doesn't seem to cause any problems.  Then Mr lookeyloo had the stroke a couple weeks ago. We had a visit with my oncologist for the six month checkup. The results were good. The oncologist is wonderful. He said "how are you feeling" and I said "how long do you have" and he leaned back and said "as much time as you need". Well after I recovered from almost fainting I gave him the whole thyroid saga and how the doctors here say my old dosage that I was on for at least 15 years would kill me and he said that won't kill you. How about I take that worry from you and I'll write the prescriptions and you can come here for blood work. Mr lookeyloo was with me. We were doing a happy dance. Went out to celebrate and came home both so happy and no sooner did he sit on the sofa when he said "oh no it's happening again". Called 911 and back to the hospital. Different one this time because other one was backlogged in ER. More scans and same spot on brain. Three episodes. One in the hospital. This time some residual damage.  Plus he is having trouble adjusting to the new blood pressure meds and they've changed them once. He agitates himself every time he takes his blood pressure. That agitates him even more. We saw a therapist but he can't manage to do the relaxation. We will do more therapy. He seems to get panic type attacks now. We have called the on call doctor twice. Called the nurse. He has Xanax but resists taking it. We are both scared of big stroke.  I am back on original thyroid meds and now I feel like myself. Maybe the new year will have Mr lookeyloo feeling like himself too. Bah 2016. 

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2016 has completely sucked for me, too. We were robbed in February, as in $65K of jewelry taken plus some guitars. You could say we were lucky to have so much and that's true but not to have it stolen. Got to spend more than 5K having our front door replaced after that, not counting the ongoing costs for the alarm system. Cataract surgery left me on disability in the summer for 6 weeks. Good outcome but unexpected challenges for the privilege. And my Dad has been diagnosed with Lewy Body dementia so my sister and I are trying to figure out how to know when to put him in a different living situation. He is home still with 24 x 7 paid home care but that is going to bankrupt him. Problem is he needs more care than assisted living but less than nursing home so what now? I really need a Christmas to just decompress. Hugs to all.

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@lookeyloo, so sorry to hear that your Mr. is having trouble again.

Glad you got your thyroid and your ticker sorted and that your oncologist is managing all your meds now.  Hope Mr Lookeyloo gets better soon.

So far all my tests have come back normal. (Thank you, Jesus!) Doing a nuclear stress test this Friday and a endoscopy/colonoscopy the following Wednesday. All on account of family history of heart disease/ endoscopy due to losing dad and aunt to upper GI cancer and suspect celiac/ colonoscopy because it's time. Not looking forward to the colonoscopy prep...that's gonna suck, but if it drops me a few lbs, I'll take it.

Want to be sure I'm not celiac, even though wheat gives me grief. Don't want to keep eating it for an occasional cheat/be polite if I in fact have it because then it's zero tolerance.

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Oh my goodness, fellow small talk friends. So many of you are going through such major health, job, weather, and family obstacles that I just want us to have a group hug as we end this challenging and difficult year. Wishing you all better health for yourselves and loved ones, easier work conditions, and the best news possible from insurance company payouts. Sending love and hugs to everyone. 

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Gosh so many of us are suffering.  I wish we could do the group hug.  I wish we all didn't have to go through all this.  Even though we don't celebrate Christmas, its the time of year to be Jolly and Merry and we are anything but.  I told Mr. lookeyloo that if it were summer and our subdivision pool were open, we would be floating all afternoon and relaxing.  Nothing wrong with that.  Trying to think positive thoughts for us and for all of you.

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15 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

{{{HUGS}}} for everyone!

The weather is starting to piss me off. I already shovel the sidewalk and driveway twice today, and it looks like we got around another inch of snow. I will not go outside to shovel again until tomorrow afternoon when I head out to the mailbox. We are going in a second week of cold and snow. Why not snow, bring the temps up, and melt the freaking snow instead. I wish I could go hibernate with the bears until mid March. They have the right idea. Plus the fact, they do not sand and plow the side streets where I live until we get around three inches. Well guess what, we already have a combine of three inches outside from last week and today. UGH!!! I hate it when we still have snow from earlier snow storms. It is not fun to drive or walk on. And of course, once they do decide to plow and sand, we are not allowed to shovel our driveways because they need to finish plowing. Makes it more fun to have to pull over, get out the shovel and dig out the blasted snow pile out of the way to park your vehicle. Don't get me wrong. The snow is pretty, and the idea of a white Christmas is fine, but when we get the snow and cold before Christmas, it can make a person a little cranky. I guess we got spoiled by the nice November weather.

Which is why I don't live above the Mason-Dixon Line. I get all four seasons and they last enough where I feel I've had them and snow comes round just to say we had a winter and enough to talk about our "harrowing" snow experiences in the coffee room. But on the other hand, it is a pretty populous area so we don't get to see the fabulous sights in less populated states. 

 

Hugs to everyone facing the holidays with trepidation. I agree with those who are glad that 2016 is coming to an end.  Here's hoping 2017 will be bringing luck and happiness to all.

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10 hours ago, jcbrown said:

And my Dad has been diagnosed with Lewy Body dementia so my sister and I are trying to figure out how to know when to put him in a different living situation. He is home still with 24 x 7 paid home care but that is going to bankrupt him. Problem is he needs more care than assisted living but less than nursing home so what now? I

So sorry to hear about your problems.  What were the challenges with cataract surgery as that is going to be in my future at some point.  As far as dementia care goes, memory care is possibly a solution for your father.  It has more care than assisted living but less nursing type care than a nursing home.  It was created for people with dementia so if your father doesn't have things like diabetes that would require nursing assistance it's a possibility and costs maybe 75% of a nursing home in our area.

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A couple years ago, I went to Indiana to help pull off a wedding - in February.  I rented a car - when I went out to get in, it was frozen into a snow bank.  I had to turn the car on and stand in the snow doing the FREEZING dance (which looks remarkably similar to the first grade pee pee dance) until it thawed enough to pull forward and get loose so I could put my suitcase in.  I know some of you (@bigskygirl) do this every day and you have my greatest sympathy.  I'm a snow wuss.  The closest I want to be to cold weather is a calendar with winter pics for December.  

@jcbrown, Lewy Body is fairly far under the radar - not as well discussed as some other age related issues - but is truly it's own level of hell.  For everybody, too.  The sitter who was with my mom to the end is with a Lewy Body patient now, and it is just unbelievable.  I will pray for you guys.  

@lookeyloo, I will pray for Mr L as well, but first, I pause and say "damn".  I mean.........REEEEEALLY?????  They need to get a bead on this and STOP it.  You must feel like you're being held over a cliff, just waiting for the fall.  No no no no no!!!  You can't live like that.  Maybe after the holidays you should ask that he be admitted and kept until someone has a clue about what to DO!!!  [which reminds me, unfortunately, of the commercial where the "dentist" tells the patient "that's the biggest cavity I've ever seen!" And the patient says, "aren't you gonna fix it?"  And the dentist says, "no, I'm just the cavity monitor.  You have a cavity."]  You can't, and he can't live life with a cavity "monitor".  What can they doooooo?????

side note for fun:. The ice skating sumo wrestler catching the bird... HILARIOUS!!!

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@lookeyloo I am glad you are doing better in regards to your thyroid and medication. Sending you and your husband good thoughts and {{{HUGS}}}

@jcbrown Good luck finding the best care plan for your dad.  {{{HUGS}}}

@Arwen Evenstar Good luck with your tests. {{{HUGS}}}

I see the GI specialist in two weeks. Hoping the weather and roads will be in better shape. I am still having cramps. The endocrinologist wants me to start taking Calcium Citrate because I am at a higher risk for osteoporosis because of the Acid Reflux med I am on. I guess Calcium Citrate is safer for me because I do not need too much stomach acid to take it. Calcium Carbonate needs acid in order to take it. I swear the man is a walking source of medical information. I had no clue about which calcium supplement to take. I was taking Vitamin D because my Vitamin D levels were low. Nice to finally have a specialist who knows what he is doing in relation to which vitamins and meds can interfere with my thyroid med.

And it looks like we got around 8 to 10 inches of snow last night. *yikes* The weatherman on one of the local station said no could have predicted the storm. It was just a random band of snow coming into a small area. And of course, we are under a Winter Storm Watch between Wednesday evening and Thursday evening. They said we are have about a 30 percent chance of snow. They had already cancelled the Winter Storm Advisory for yesterday before the big storm hit, so I guess we will see what happens Wednesday night and Thursday.

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5 hours ago, Absolom said:

So sorry to hear about your problems.  What were the challenges with cataract surgery as that is going to be in my future at some point.  As far as dementia care goes, memory care is possibly a solution for your father.  It has more care than assisted living but less nursing type care than a nursing home.  It was created for people with dementia so if your father doesn't have things like diabetes that would require nursing assistance it's a possibility and costs maybe 75% of a nursing home in our area.

Thanks, Absolom. The trouble with cataract surgery is I was extremely nearsighted before (like -13) and I just wasn't able to function between the procedures. No one makes disposable contacts in such a high prescription so I was basically completely blind in one eye between surgeries and it was surprising how disorienting that was. Then it took a while to get the right level of correction for my new vision (actually, that's still a work in progress). But still, I can roll over in the middle of the night and read the clock and that was never possible before.

Yeah, the trouble with Dad's situation is he needs skilled nursing sometimes but not all the time and finding the balance is proving challenging. I suspect we'll be moving him out of his home in Q1. At least the drugs they have him on now have decreased the hallucinations some and thank goodness he has long-term care insurance. That also proved invaluable when we had to put my mom in a nursing home before she died from Alzheimer's. I've told my sister it's a good thing we don't have three parents or the third would get vascular dementia just so we could get to go through all of the three most common variants of dementia.

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That's good for me to know about the cataracts.  I'm very nearsighted so I'll need to try to remember to see if we can replace a lens in my glasses with plain glass for a few weeks.  That would be very disconcerting.

Could your father's need for nursing be filled by a visiting nurse?  They have nurses who come in regularly where my mother is but they don't have any on staff.  I did find a couple of memory care places with nurses on staff just not as many as you'd have in a nursing home.  They were more expensive than regular memory care but not as much as nursing homes.  Good luck with the search.  I know how tough it is.

I did win the three out of four with dementia stakes.  ;)

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I had them remove the lens from one side of my glasses after the first surgery but just could not acclimate to it. My optometrist indicated that was to be expected with my high prescription. This whole process would have been easier had my cataract surgeon not been a complete horse's ass, no offense to horse's asses. He all but patted me on the head, he was so condescending.

And thanks for the luck on the search for the right facility for Dad. Nothing about this is easy.

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Thanks everyone.  Just wanted to let @Happyfatchick know we are already doing everything that is recommended.  There are no guarantees with strokes.  No one can tell us if he will have another one.  His chances are reduced by the new medications.  We already live a healthy lifestyle.  We exercise regularly.  Not because we love it, but because I have the osteoporosis and he had the bypass surgery about 4 years ago.  The risk factors for his small vessel disease are High blood pressure (has been under control for years, just recently popped up), diabetes (he isn't even close), high cholesterol (his is borderline high.  He will grudgingly take a statin now, because regardless of what it does to his cholesterol numbers, apparently it has a protective factor regarding strokes) and age - can't do anything about that!!!  We have looked at the Stroke association websites for the US and for other countries and they are relatively consistent.  He is starting to get used to the blood pressure meds.  They will slowly ramp them up.  They tell us after a stroke they like to keep the blood pressure on the high end of normal for a while to get blood into the damaged part of the brain.  He thinks the Plavix gives him panic attacks.  I think it doesn't, but, they are no fun when they are happening.  We are seeing the neurologist Thursday for more info.  Poor Mr. lookeyloo  keeps saying "I want him to tell me I won't have another one".  Of course the dr. won't tell him that.  How would he know?  I just remind him that we are doing everything possible.   The 90 year old father in law was here for three days.  He is quite resilient.  He says he is not going to let anything keep him from doing what he wants, while he is able.  He is all there mentally and mostly physically.  He has a few ailments.  His granddaughter, our niece, made the world team for Irish Step Dancing and is performing in Dublin in April.  Father in law is going and renting a stick shift car with steering wheel on other side from what he is used to, and staying in a bed and breakfast.  I wonder if the other son, father of the dancer, will put his foot down and what kind of battle that will be and who will win.  It took him a long time to get used to me, but, he is quite the character and we are good.

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They changed the forecast again. Now we are suppose to be getting snow late Wednesday night into Thursday. I am starting to get weather forecast whiplash. Not only are we suppose to get snow, but below zero temps with wind. Friday and Saturday will be cold. I will need my hot flashes to keep me warm. I am thinking a nice soak in the hot tub with a nice hot bath afterwards.

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1 hour ago, jcbrown said:

I had them remove the lens from one side of my glasses after the first surgery but just could not acclimate to it. My optometrist indicated that was to be expected with my high prescription. This whole process would have been easier had my cataract surgeon not been a complete horse's ass, no offense to horse's asses. He all but patted me on the head, he was so condescending.

And thanks for the luck on the search for the right facility for Dad. Nothing about this is easy.

So I can perhaps look forward to some problems with that also.  I'll have to ask the doctor for suggestions.  At least mine will be done by my regular doctor and he thankfully is very decent. 

No, elderly parents with health problems is its own circle of hell unfortunately.

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bigskygirl, ask your new doc about taking Vitamin K2 with your D. K2 helps direct the calcium to your skeleton, while preventing it from going to places like your organs, joints, arteries, etc.  It's one more damn pill to take, but at least I know the D that helps my body absorb calcium is being trafficked to the right areas of my body with the K2.

I have come down with a case of severe acid reflux this week, thanks to job stress and anxiety. Four nights in a row now I have woken up about 2 hours into sleeping with intense nausea and gagging. It takes about an hour to subside and for my heart to calm down. It's ridiculous, I really need to get a grip with this stupid job.

Hugs to all of us, it's hard out there right now.

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@emma675 - hope your reflux is better. Try braggs apple cider vinegar diluted. It has helped us. Also do you use MK-4 or MK-7 version of vitamin K2?  We have used both versions. Me for my osteoporosis and him for the heart. Right now we are into stroke recovery. 

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1 hour ago, emma675 said:

bigskygirl, ask your new doc about taking Vitamin K2 with your D. K2 helps direct the calcium to your skeleton, while preventing it from going to places like your organs, joints, arteries, etc.  It's one more damn pill to take, but at least I know the D that helps my body absorb calcium is being trafficked to the right areas of my body with the K2.

I have come down with a case of severe acid reflux this week, thanks to job stress and anxiety. Four nights in a row now I have woken up about 2 hours into sleeping with intense nausea and gagging. It takes about an hour to subside and for my heart to calm down. It's ridiculous, I really need to get a grip with this stupid job.

Hugs to all of us, it's hard out there right now.

Thanks for the tip. I will try to remember to ask the GI specialist. I checked the bottle of multi vitamins I was taking, and it listed Calcium Carbonate which needs acid. I do remember reading a few articles on the internet about how hypothyroidism can affect the digestive system to the point of vitamins not been absorb properly. The Calcium Citrate supplement I am starting to take now has Vitamin D in it.

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This is a reminder that the Politics Policy is still in effect.

I understand with recent current events there may be a desire to discuss political social media posts of those in the Duggar realm- this is not the place for those discussions. If you believe someone has violated forum rules, report them, do not respond or engage.

Political discussion is not allowed in this forum- this includes Small Talk topics. Please stay in the spirit of the policy- I have noticed a tendency for some to follow the letter but not the spirit.

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While we understand the frustration (change is never easy), please keep in mind that not everyone feels the same way and that for those members who don't, the ongoing conversation about other forums and chat options can equally be a cause of frustration.

Out of respect for your fellow posters, we kindly ask that you continue any discussion about alternatives via PM or the Technically Speaking: Bugs, Questions, & Suggestions area.

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