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I know it's only a soap but a rape on a Horton couch is sort of wrong, isn't it? This show is really selling the romance.....not! Let's see. A couple of murders, deaths, kidnapping, blackmail sex, bullying, a rape & a fire. Am I missing anything? Jeez! I know this isn't ABC but whatever happen to "Love in the Afternoon"?

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I know it's only a soap but a rape on a Horton couch is sort of wrong, isn't it? This show is really selling the romance.....not! Let's see. A couple of murders, deaths, kidnapping, blackmail sex, bullying, a rape & a fire. Am I missing anything? Jeez! I know this isn't ABC but whatever happen to "Love in the Afternoon"?

Unfortunately, "love in the afternoon" has been replaced by drama, drama, drama...known as rape, murder and kidnapping. I blame the Housewives ;-)

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I know it's only a soap but a rape on a Horton couch is sort of wrong, isn't it? This show is really selling the romance.....not! Let's see. A couple of murders, deaths, kidnapping, blackmail sex, bullying, a rape & a fire. Am I missing anything? Jeez! I know this isn't ABC but whatever happen to "Love in the Afternoon"?

 

 

It's horrible enough that the show is having Ciara go through a rape attack as a young teenager but to also have it happen in Alice Horton's house cuts just as deep.  The Hortons--at least Alice and Tom-- have always represented safety and peace and happiness and now it's all going to be shattered.  I would love it if Chase realized what he was doing and stopped but I would love it even more if Ciara was allowed to stop him herself--if she was able to get away from her attacker using her own wits.  This show needs to let at least one of their heroines have some agency and be able to defend themselves.

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This show can be so self defeating and disappointing. All they seem to care about is pulling stunts for shock value or to get people talking on message boards. 

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It's been said ([probably here on PTV) that Higley writes events but doesn't give a shit about character motivation, outcomes, consequences, etc.. I agree.

 

Happy Days 50th:

Murder

Death

Torture

Rape

 

YAY?

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That.

It's been said ([probably here on PTV) that Higley writes events but doesn't give a shit about character motivation, outcomes, consequences, etc.. I agree.

 

Happy Days 50th:

Murder

Death

Torture

Rape

 

YAY?

That's why the continued employment of this show killing, character destroying hack continues to both amaze and stupefy me.

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With the exception of:

 

Kayla/Steve reuniting (ruined by this Ava shit)

Chabby reuniting/Baby Birth (not really a good thing)

Jabi (which I ADORE)

 

Has there been any real (non flashback/dream sequence) romance/love on this show since before last August? And I mean REAL romance/love...long longing for a dead love (Nicole/Dan, Bo/Hope banging 24 hours after her wedding night bang/almost death). 

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That was just awful, and even the actors look like they were thinking WTF? -- I hope there's some redemption in store today but I doubt it. Been nice knowing you, Chase. 

 

And Steve, for god's sake, just tell Kayla what happened, take your lumps, and get on with things. It's not the crime, it's the coverup!! I love you Patch, but why you let Ava game you AGAIN is beyond me. 

 

Fun times. Ugh. 

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Unfortunately, "love in the afternoon" has been replaced by drama, drama, drama...known as rape, murder and kidnapping. I blame the Housewives ;-)

Oh plz lol.

It's unfortunate the rape overshadowed some of the humor.

I personally enjoy the Chad and Andre banter about the Andre's and Hope's Wikipedia pages. LOL.

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And Steve, for god's sake, just tell Kayla what happened, take your lumps, and get on with things. It's not the crime, it's the coverup!! I love you Patch, but why you let Ava game you AGAIN is beyond me. 

 

Fun times. Ugh. 

 

This was always the thing that got me so pissed off about Todd and Blair on OLTL. Todd pulled some ridiculous fucking shit and as mad as Blair would get about the ridiculous fucking shit, she was always infinitely angrier about the shit he did to cover it up. Given how pissed off Todd would get whenever Blair lied to him you'd think he'd get the clue that she didn't like that from him either.

 

Dude never developed a learning curve, either... not until OLTL had that brief moment on-line. Then he wised up and realized that Blair was a much better ally than adversary.

 

Steve's being an idiot. He dances right up to the truth and then wimps out. Ugh. I have no patience for this bullshit. None at all.

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Catching up on the last couple of episodes. I love JJ and Gabi. They are refreshing and cute. They aren't falling immediately in love and they are just having fun. I like it.

I actually like Belle. You spend that stolen money girl! I already forgot how much it is but I don't blame her for buying a new car and jewelry. I'm treating myself too if I get that much. But why don't you just take out an ad in the paper with how many people know now? I do wish they'd tone down the bitchy just a tad though but MM makes it work where I don't hate her as much as some. The contrast in Claire's relationship with each parent is glaring. Clearly your child is trying to tell you something Belle, listen to her and try spending a little more time with her while you are at it.

Abs if I wasn't watching who knew you were so excited to get married? Cheer up.

Steve you are just digging a hole. Tell Kayla the truth before it's too late.

Ciara and Theo's friendship is nice to see. He does like her but he's good with being friends. Unlike Chase who can't take a no. I'm pretty disgusted this rape is happening on the Horton couch and happening to Ciara at all. I just am curious to see the story they are going to make out if this. For now it seems to be for shock value to me.

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Seg 1

Shawn-D is getting on Belle about the Dimeras. Belle saying she would take him serious if he wasn't an ass to her for two years. The affair is brought up. Shawn says hes done. Belle calls him a arrogant som bitch. Eric shows up.

More tell tale heart with Brady and Summer.

Roman calls Andre "Andy". Roman pulls out the gun and wants to know how it got there.

Chase is back at hotel yelling for Andre. He says damnit. Ciara is at home looking out the window and crying. (The rape happened but there was nothing graphic or really shown. Just you get the point it happened and it's just eery)

Brady is writing on some memo pad and Theresa ask him what's wrong.

Rafe wants to know how Bo's gun got at his house. Bo's gun was used to shoot Andre a few years ago on the roof. Andre gets snarky and says look hes still alive.

Jennifer is home. Ciara has been sitting in the dark crying.

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Belle says it's great Eric showed up since Shawn was getting the hell out. She tells Eric he has bad news for him.

Nicole is talking to Maggie about Daniel about their wedding presents.

Brady says psychiatric care is where maybe Summer could be. (Great another cuckoo bird probably). Theresa wants him to take it easy.

Ciara gets a text asking if she's ok. She says no. Theo arrives and they leave.

Rafe reiterates that Andre had motives. Andre says Stefano was killed by Hope. Hope is looking at outside the interrogation. And there is the busy body Lani (

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Eric is being told he can get 3yrs for his crime.

Nicole is cleaning out Daniel's office. Looking at some coffee mug.

Theresa is showing signs shes jealous of Nicole and Summer. Brady says she has nothing to worry about. Brady wants the truth and going to LA. Theresa is like hell he is.

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Eric is back drinking. He needs a double.

Nicole is talking to some guy that Daniel worked for. Shes donating Daniel's office to him for charity.

Theresa says no to California. She calls him out about wanting to be near some dream girl cause he's unhappy.

Theo asking if Ciara was hurt. She cries.

Roman calls out Andre for having the nerve about reverting justice since hes a Dimera. Andre says they won't get away with this. Rafe says you won't.

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Andre tells Rafe, he and his bitch won't get away with it. Hes sent to lock up.

Ciara wants Theo to tell her story (ugh is this Higley). Joey shows up and sits next to her too. Ciara says shes freaked out about a life.

Jennifer pops more pills. Knock at the door. Eric shows up wasted.

Brady still feels it is his mission to find the pieces to Daniel's life. Nicole shows up and Theresa tells her it's not a good time. Nicole seems find to want him to go. Brady comes back after to checking on Tate, he heads out.

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Oh plz lol.

It's unfortunate the rape overshadowed some of the humor.

I personally enjoy the Chad and Andre banter about the Andre's and Hope's Wikipedia pages. LOL.

Not too many months ago Chase and Ciara were being played by two enjoyable youngsters. It's really sick that the writers chose to SORAS these characters for the purpose of a rape storyline. What is wrong with these people?

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Shawn-D is at the Horton Square, see Lani... he wants to take her out and she says tonight.

Roman wants to get the body so the charges will stick. Rafe tells Hope she should go home and be with her kids.

Ciara runs to the bathroom and washing her face.

Jennifer insist Eric needs to eat. Eric wants to know how many pills Jennifer has taken. He finds her pills and rattling her pills. Hes calling her hypocrite. Jennifer blames him again for Daniel's death. Eric claims he wishes he was dead like Daniel.

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Final Segment

Jennifer tells him not say that. Eric is screaming and being a straight whino yelling. Eric says shes strapped to the pills. AND OMFG THEY KISSING... DEEPLY... I CAN SHIP THIS HOT MESS I CAN

Nic finds Daniel's South Coast file and she books flight.

Brady is in LA.

Hope tells Rafe not to get cocky. They both leave. And Roman looks on. I think Roman knows and he still wants to fry Andre

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Not too many months ago Chase and Ciara were being played by two enjoyable youngsters. It's really sick that the writers chose to SORAS these characters for the purpose of a rape storyline. What is wrong with these people?

Actually Chase was a creepy child especially since TomSell claimed he killed his mom and Aiden/Hope covered it up when they were in Portland. Theo and Ciara were the only enjoyable youngsters IMO.

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I will say that Greg Vaughn is perfect looking. He has awesome hair & can actually shed real tears, too. The kiss he planted on Missy Reeves was pretty impressive. He went for the gusto on that take. Who was the person who got rid of him? Corday or the writers? These two have (had) a lot of potential and I'm not even a huge Missy Reeves fan.

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Belle is beyond disgusting at this point. She is vile and delusional. According to her, everything that went wrong is Shawn's fault and he should burn in hell because she's just extra precious. How dare Shawn point out that when you have money stolen from a family of deranged killers and you flaunt your possession of the stolen money, you could endanger your child. Of course, Belle can't accept responsibility for her crap and lashes out at Shawn like a deranged banshee.

Shawn and Lani have potential, that is until Belle sees someone else wants him and sets out to split them apart. I would still like Lani to serve a purpose on the show other than to be in romantic pursuit of her fellow officers. Given Days' history with race, Lani and Shawn won't be lasting long and she will just go back to being pointless.

So drunkety, drunk, drunk Eric calls the pill-popping princess out -- to bad the show keeps ruining Eric as a character. This story shows that if the writers bothered to write for Eric, we could have some solid and worthwhile performances from GV. also, I really like Eric and Jennifer as a potential couple. This is basically the second Jennifer pairing sacrificed at the Taniel alter.

So, they are totally going to use Ciara's silence to create a he-say/she-say storyline? Not to be indelicate, but wouldn't their be some blood on that couch following the rape? If you are going to portray the rape of a teen girl, who based on what we have seen is a virgin, then show what would really happen.

The escapades of the corrupt cops and their dim-witted boss continues. Hope and Rafe just keep sinking lower in my opinion.

Zero interest in this Brady storyline.

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Damn, did they go all out to buy as many seagulls as they could?

 

Oh, no, is Summer crazy?  We sure don't need more of that.

 

Roman calling Andre "Andy". "What happened to your face?  What happened to yours?"

 

Theo didn't have any problem with Ciara putting her arms around him.

 

Damn, Eric walks in to Jennifer's place announcing, "I'm drunk."  He seemed kind of proud of the fact.

 

Yay, Shawn and Lani!  Lani + Shawn = Lawn?

 

Why did Brady go to the beach instead of to the clinic right away?

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Belle needs to be shipped back to Maine.

 

I don't even like Jen most of the time but I could have probably gotten behind her being paired with Eric. At least for awhile. Too bad the writers wasted Eric.

 

The Theo/Ciara scenes were nice, all things considered. 

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That.

It's been said ([probably here on PTV) that Higley writes events but doesn't give a shit about character motivation, outcomes, consequences, etc.. I agree.

 

Happy Days 50th:

Murder

Death

Torture

Rape

 

YAY?

 

 

That's why the continued employment of this show killing, character destroying hack continues to both amaze and stupefy me.

While I certainly wouldn't be unhappy to see Dena shown the door ... I believe the items you quoted were mostly Josh Griffith's doing. He was the one who pushed for the serial killer to celebrate Days' 50th anniversary, who inserted plenty of graphic and bloody violence into the show, who enjoys writing international espionage, and who was responsible for Chase raping Ciara. The latter occurred on his sole watch as Higley was already on her leave of absence. I also highly suspect he was the one who killed off Will (in that gruesome fashion) and back-burnered Paul because he wasn't willing to write for gay characters - he never has, before this.

 

I hate that I'm defending Higley - who's a hack on her own merits - but I think the record needs to be set straight here.

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GV was great as drunk Eric calling Jennifer out. I still hate her, but I really liked the look of surprise and pain on her face when she realized she liked making out with him. And he was clearly enjoying that scene. It was the first time the actor seemed to let loose. FINALLY! Eric gets his groove on. Should have done it three years ago...

And I also loved the Roman/Andre face banter.

But that's all I watched. This show is in da guddah right now and I'll check back in when it regains its dignity. Abi's funeral maybe?

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Interesting.  That article makes it sound like JG was never going to stay as one of the head writers long term.  I wonder if he was brought in solely as the heavy to kill off and ruin a bunch of characters.

 

At any rate, Dena Higley needs to go as well.  Beth Milstein could take her place as co-head writer.

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While I certainly wouldn't be unhappy to see Dena shown the door ... I believe the items you quoted were mostly Josh Griffith's doing. He was the one who pushed for the serial killer to celebrate Days' 50th anniversary, who inserted plenty of graphic and bloody violence into the show, who enjoys writing international espionage, and who was responsible for Chase raping Ciara. The latter occurred on his sole watch as Higley was already on her leave of absence. I also highly suspect he was the one who killed off Will (in that gruesome fashion) and back-burnered Paul because he wasn't willing to write for gay characters - he never has, before this.

 

I hate that I'm defending Higley - who's a hack on her own merits - but I think the record needs to be set straight here.

IMO, Griffith and Higley are two sides of the same coin, he just has more actual writing talent than her. As for feelings about gay characters and their treatment, did you see the treatment gay characters got on OLTL under Higleypoo's reign?

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Ugh, I was so hoping they would make Chase stop before he went too far.  All I wanted today was for Ciara to go to Hope and tell her everything.  Throw that bum in the clink, no matter what his age.  I just can't believe two sessions with Andre was enough to turn him into a monster.  He was such a cute kid just a few months ago.  :\

 

How long has it been since Jen has had a man in her life? Not since Taniel, right? I don't know why they give her this prim and proper librarian persona all of the time.  Younger Jen was fun.

 

I see that the foreboding piano ditty was playing while Brady was on the beach.  I expect this new woman will be a real handful.

 

Another observation I have is that with the exception of Hope, the women on this show all have to dress up.  Does anyone wear casual clothes in that town? I would love to see some new looks for a change.  The dresses are getting old.

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Hope said she was going home, which at the moment is Jennifer's house. Is she going to walk in on Eric and Jen?

Is the dream-woman Marie Wilson? Wasn't MW somehow involved in the Aiden's wife backstory a year or so ago? Could it be the same character? Or maybe it is just not Marie Wilson. I have been confused before.

Perhaps Chase did not rape Ciara as in penetration but abused/violated her in some other way. It seemed weird that he texted her. Maybe she fought back and he ran off but of course she still feels traumatized. I have a lot more thoughts about this but don't want to open up a whole can of worms until we have a better idea of what actually went down.

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Is the dream-woman Marie Wilson? Wasn't MW somehow involved in the Aiden's wife backstory a year or so ago? Could it be the same character? Or maybe it is just not Marie Wilson. I have been confused before.

 

It is Marie Wilson and yep, she's a new character.  With the Aiden storyline she played an old friend of Hope's who also knew Aiden and his wife.

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Poor Ciara. I thought the actress did a fantastic job yesterday - -the girl can cry, right? But Hope, get home to your daughter, she needs you. 

 

Lawn (lol) doesn't excite me in the least. 

 

And that's all I got. Hoping today's episode is a good one. 

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Despite the joy of Roman calling Andre "Andy". "What happened to your face? What happened to yours?" I think I am out. I endured the death cult 50th, but I can't deal with the Ciara rape story or Brady having daniel's unfinished business, or Steve lying to Kayla. Steve and Kayla were the only bright spot until recently--a mature but vivacious love. And they trashed it like they ruin anything enjoyable. Idiots.

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LOL at "Higleypoo."  

 

Perhaps Chase did not rape Ciara as in penetration but abused/violated her in some other way. It seemed weird that he texted her. Maybe she fought back and he ran off but of course she still feels traumatized. I have a lot more thoughts about this but don't want to open up a whole can of worms until we have a better idea of what actually went down.
Good point.  I'm crossing my fingers and toes that this will be attempted rape.  Just because Aiden was of questionable conscience, and Andre gave horrible advice, doesn't mean Chase would rape his best friend.  And I'm not convinced Ciara wouldn't try to fight him off.  There were two sturdy-looking candlesticks on the table next to the couch.  
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I knew Chase would not stop because the writers always destroy everyone who is not a sainted horton.

They destroyed Will Horton before they literally destroyed him with a necktie.

 

If you amend that to Jennifer or Abby or Maggie, then I'm with ya there. LOL

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Perhaps Chase did not rape Ciara as in penetration but abused/violated her in some other way. It seemed weird that he texted her. Maybe she fought back and he ran off but of course she still feels traumatized. I have a lot more thoughts about this but don't want to open up a whole can of worms until we have a better idea of what actually went down.

 

I hope this is what happened too because otherwise--and not to be too gross--there would be blood evidence all over that while Horton couch.  And I would love if the show had the daughter of Hope and Bo Brady being able to defend herself from an attack.

 

Now for today's show, since when is Belle perceived as the go to parent, as the person who has to make all of the sacrifices?  If this is what the show is trying to depict, then they've missed by a country mile.  What I see is an extremely self-involved woman who has little to no regard for the people around her and I loved her admitting to making :mistakes" with Shawn.  A mistake is buying the wrong kind of milk.  An affair is more then a mistake--it destroys trusts and usually relationships.  Belle is an idiot.

 

Steve and Kayla's scenes were gorgeously emotional and gut-wrenching and just over all stunning to watch.  Why they can't be happy for more then a minute is beyond me.

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Perhaps Chase did not rape Ciara as in penetration but abused/violated her in some other way. It seemed weird that he texted her. Maybe she fought back and he ran off but of course she still feels traumatized. I have a lot more thoughts about this but don't want to open up a whole can of worms until we have a better idea of what actually went down.

I hope so. I figure there has to be a reason we didn't see more than we did. It's highly unlikely that they'd suddenly develop some tact or good taste and not show it for that reason.

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This Brady/Nicole/Theresa/Summer crap continues to be increasingly stupid and boring on a daily basis.

I wish Jan Spears would wake up from her coma and start terrorizing Belle.

Exactly!

I watched Days and GH simultaneously at the same time today. Luckily for me both shows run about neck and neck in not being very good tv at the moment. So Friday felt like both episodes were filler.

Jawn and those faces when Steve told him about sleeping with Ava.

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Steve and Kayla's scenes were gorgeously emotional and gut-wrenching and just over all stunning to watch.  Why they can't be happy for more then a minute is beyond me.

 

There was more emotion in their scenes today than I have seen all week in all the other scenes combined.  You can tell MBE and SN really trust each other and they are so raw and true in their characters.  Plus, I wish the two of them could show some of the other actors on the show, "this is how you cry. This is how you rip your character's guts out (in a good way).  This is how you show emotion."  

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Perhaps Chase did not rape Ciara as in penetration but abused/violated her in some other way. It seemed weird that he texted her. Maybe she fought back and he ran off but of course she still feels traumatized. I have a lot more thoughts about this but don't want to open up a whole can of worms until we have a better idea of what actually went down.

This is what I'm wondering too.  I hope that the attack didn't happen.  If they want to keep Chase/JMc on canvas, they have to make him redeemable in some way.  My hope is that though he pushed her down and thought about doing it that he came to his senses and got away from her and left before he could.  While, he was still out of control and assaulted her, he stopped before it got to a point of no return.  She would still be feeling traumatized by what happened and by someone who lived with her like a brother.  He would realize how out of control his life has gotten and what he came close to doing.  The text would make more sense.  The reason there was no blood on the couch or her would make more sense.  The whole thing would make more sense.

 

I wish they hadn't gone this direction in any way, shape or form.  I hope they don't reveal that he fully attacked her and violated her to the furthest degree.  Oh show...

 

Some of the current plot-lines are really bad, but yet the show has me fully engaged.

 

I can't stand Andre, but I hate that Hope and Rafe have become so corrupt and are framing him for everything they did...and that Roman is such a dumb-shit.

 

Jen and Eric have tons of chemistry, but their current predicaments are so foul.

 

And don't even get me started on Brady having St Daniel's heart, and apparently his brain too.  WTF?

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I think Marlena was used well today. She was there for Belle and supportive even when the slight movements of her face conveyed what we all felt, Little Miss Belle is full of more ish than a little bit." At this point, aside fro a story that reveals Belle suffered some sort of head trauma that is altering her personality, I can't get behind anything Selfibelle says, thinks, feels or does.

SWMNBN needs to die violently, immediately and irrevocably. I can't with the character or the actress, SWMNBN should never have been brought back. We can thank Higleypoo for this disaster of a story that as was noted up thread served to only ruin what had been the one bright spot on he show. I so want Kayla to be able to punch that creature's lights out, but we know that will never be allowed to happen.

So we get BlackPatch st the start of the show and I know it was to give Steve a sounding board to prompt him to tell Kayla. However, it just served to remind how he did absolutely nothing (not following his cretin of an ex, notifying the police who are related to Kayla, like Roman and Hope, conducting an actual investigation with his BlackPatch cohort who he is supposed to be opening a detective firm with) to rescue Kayla other than deciding to sleep with SWMNBN. I felt a little sympathy for Steve seeing how much pain he was in and how deep,his fear of losing Kayla was, then he started recounting his rationale, and I was like, "STHU, do you know how ridiculous you sound now." All I was left with was aching for an emotionally devastated Kayla (who by the way told Steve to pack and leave, yet in her house he remains). At some point enough is enough and everyone reaches their breaking point, in real life, this would be that point for Kayla. I'm not saying she can't work to forgiveness and then love with Steve again, but right now, if Kayla stays with Steve, she will be relegated to little more tha the punching bag in an emotionally abusive relationship. In this scenario, absent the physical abuse, Steve is just like his father who emotionally abused and manipulated Steve's mother into staying with him. We know the show seems to hate women, but even this is just too much. When Higley did this same crap story on OLTL, it worked better, if you want to call it that, because it lasted longer. We saw Todd and Blair in jeopardy from Margaret. Todd denied her rape sex requests until there was literally nothing else he could do. We did not get that here and the end result is that the character of Steve has been lessened.

Brady story continues to bore, but I am thankful for the ff moments.

Show is clearly screwing with me. It gives me Victor and the Oompaloompa talking about Deimos, but I get no actual Deimos. I guess they said this episode was all about misery and no joy would be allowed to be had anywhere.

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