Current Plots Discussion: Actually Today's Episode

[Apprentice79]

I like this Paige, she actually has life....I hope she stays that way....No more Beige, this Paige is here to stay...lol..

 

They need to leave Jack alone..I am tired of him always getting bashed and derided for no reason. Jack was so complex and these fools are incapable of creating and writing for a character like Jack Devereaux....Let him rest in peace..Hopefully, he is in a dungeon somewhere, waiting to be reunited with his family and it was a clone that died in that elevator..Make it happen Higley and Company...We saw Hope fall into a vat of acid and she came back with no scars on her beautiful face, so Jack  can come back as well..

Edited June 1, 2015 by Apprentice79

[methodwriter85]

I like this Paige, she actually has life....I hope she stays that way....No more Beige, this Paige is here to stay...lol..

 

I actually agree. True O'Brien either improved as an actress, or she had it all along but didn't have anything to work with until now. She was so blank-faced when she started. There's actually life in her face right now.

 

Deirdre looked absolutely pissed today. I'm guessing she's not cool to being reduced to a Maggie-like cheerleader for the show's pet? I mean, I like Paul but this is going overboard.

 

I can't deal with this shit about Melanie being some kind of Madonna saint, considering her re-introduction was her storyline about ripping off a casino and being particularly bitchy about the help people tried to give her to get out of it.

Edited June 1, 2015 by methodwriter85

[Donny Ketchum]

It's a problem I've noticed across soaps for the past decade or so... they don't build up love stories anymore. There have been precious few relationships since 2000 that mattered much to me because it was either not given any real depth or shoved so far down my throat as "YOU MUST LOVE THEM" that it turned me right off.

This makes me think.  Since around 2000, which couples ever constituted good buildups?

 

I have to think all of the couples that formed from the Last Blast crew had great buildups.  I remember Shawn and Belle first meeting in 1999, but not really, officially getting together till 2000 or 2001.  Also, Chloe with both Philip and Brady were built up really well.  I also thought Brandon and Sami were done well, as were Lucas and Sami.  Oh, and even though their buildup was over a much shorter time, I really liked what they did to set up Rex and Mimi.  And while I wasn't a fan of Philip and Belle together, I actually thought they built them up pretty well, too.  Surprising, since Kyle Brandt and Martha Madison had had trouble generating chemistry with anyone up to that point.

 

Reilly always gets panned as one of the worst writers of all time, especially during his second stint on this show plus everything he did to bring down Passions and Sunset Beach.  But I will say that during his second tenure, one couple I thought he actually did do right, at least at first, was Patrick and Billie.  From their first meeting on Melaswen and on, I could tell Brody Hutzler and Julie Pinson had some pretty damn good chemistry, and the buildup was done just right over the next year-and-a-half.  So of course he suddenly breaks them up to make them unnecessary spoilers for Bo and Hope.  Sigh.  Other than that, he didn't impress me much.

 

After that, I never cared for many couples until Hogan gave us Nick and paired him with Chelsea.  The buildup was a bit quick, but Blake Berris and Rachel Melvin had the chemistry to make up for it.  But that was really the only one he did right.  After that, no other couple grabbed me that much.  Higley gave us Philip and Stephanie, which was sweet, but not mind-blowing, and I think was a bit quick, as well.  After that . . . I'd say Will and Sonny were built up decently.  I think they were the last one, too, because what followed them were a bunch of insta-couples that were rather hit or miss.  Actually, the only hits for me were Nick and Gabi, and even then, only because Blake Berris and Camila Banus had good chemistry, and J.J. and Paige.  Every other one was so devoid of chemistry, they didn't send me.

 

So . . . yeah.  That's my couples rundown.

I hope that once Paige found out about JJ and Eve's affair, that there would be a shift in the storyline. I hoped that Eve and Jennifer would both simmer down and do some soul searching, especially after Paige gave them both a reality check. Nope. It seems like nothing's changed. Jennifer and Eve are still at each other's throats, basically rehashing the same argument over and over again.

In fairness, I think Jennifer was about to.  Then Eve came in and ruined it all.

[Apprentice79]

This makes me think.  Since around 2000, which couples ever constituted good buildups?

 

I have to think all of the couples that formed from the Last Blast crew had great buildups.  I remember Shawn and Belle first meeting in 1999, but not really, officially getting together till 2000 or 2001.  Also, Chloe with both Philip and Brady were built up really well.  I also thought Brandon and Sami were done well, as were Lucas and Sami.  Oh, and even though their buildup was over a much shorter time, I really liked what they did to set up Rex and Mimi.  And while I wasn't a fan of Philip and Belle together, I actually thought they built them up pretty well, too.  Surprising, since Kyle Brandt and Martha Madison had had trouble generating chemistry with anyone up to that point.

 

Reilly always gets panned as one of the worst writers of all time, especially during his second stint on this show plus everything he did to bring down Passions and Sunset Beach.  But I will say that during his second tenure, one couple I thought he actually did do right, at least at first, was Patrick and Billie.  From their first meeting on Melaswen and on, I could tell Brody Hutzler and Julie Pinson had some pretty damn good chemistry, and the buildup was done just right over the next year-and-a-half.  So of course he suddenly breaks them up to make them unnecessary spoilers for Bo and Hope.  Sigh.  Other than that, he didn't impress me much.

 

After that, I never cared for many couples until Hogan gave us Nick and paired him with Chelsea.  The buildup was a bit quick, but Blake Berris and Rachel Melvin had the chemistry to make up for it.  But that was really the only one he did right.  After that, no other couple grabbed me that much.  Higley gave us Philip and Stephanie, which was sweet, but not mind-blowing, and I think was a bit quick, as well.  After that . . . I'd say Will and Sonny were built up decently.  I think they were the last one, too, because what followed them were a bunch of insta-couples that were rather hit or miss.  Actually, the only hits for me were Nick and Gabi, and even then, only because Blake Berris and Camila Banus had good chemistry, and J.J. and Paige.  Every other one was so devoid of chemistry, they didn't send me.

 

So . . . yeah.  That's my couples rundown.

In fairness, I think Jennifer was about to.  Then Eve came in and ruined it all.

I thought that Wilson was built up nicely because it was very slow, there was even a time that Sonny disappeared. Plus, Will did not even notice Sonny at first. Sonny was always there hoping that he would notice him. Sonny wanted Will, the moment he laid eyes on him..All this retcon in the form of  Sparkle is infuriating, but,I digress..Will had other things going on in his turbulent life...Sparkle is all about Sonny 24-7, he is obsessed with him because his ego cannot handle that Sonny actually moved on and made a life for himself..

 

I too loved Patrick and Billie, I got tired of Billie constantly used as a spoiler for Bope. Billie was so much more than that... I loved Julie Pinson, she was my favorite Billie, she incorporated the qualities that the previous Billies possessed...I loved her maturity and was very beautiful . She was a great actress and she was good when she found Chelsea. I actually liked her with Nick....I think if she were around, she would have been able to get him to back off her nephew Will...I liked Billie with Jack as well...I loved her complex relationship with Kate. A part of her always blamed Kate for Curtis' abuse..Her abandonment issues regarding Kate was never forgotten by the show...It was always there in their interactions as mother and daughter..Kate was always trying to make up for that by constantly pushing her to be with Bo, even though she knew it was a lost cause...Bo only had eyes for Hope, eventually Billie accepted that as well...Billie was great with her brothers, especially Austin and Lucas..She was even a fan of Lumi. She was actually kind to Sami, even when she was at her  worst...I also remember her being instrumental in Bo being civil to Victor, when he was married to Kate.Billie was a great character and I loved that she told Daniel to fuck off...lol..

Edited June 1, 2015 by Apprentice79

[bantering]

It doesn't help that Melanie stayed for only 6 months, but the fact that dumb-dumb Brady falls in love at the scent of perfume made the conversation between Brady and Melanie pretty non-compelling.

[TeeVee329]

I thought that Wilson was built up nicely because it was very slow, there was even a time that Sonny disappeared. Plus, Will did not even notice Sonny at first. Sonny was always there hoping that he would notice him. Sonny wanted Will, the moment he laid eyes on him.

 

Eh, for me, when the writers switched with the Days-saster, the transition from Will and Sonny as friends (with Sonny being more of a mentor if anything) to Will and Sonny being super in wuv was not slowly built to at all.  And the less said about Sonny's creepy wish box, the better.

[Dandesun]

It seems that they maybe land on a decent pairing and give it the right build up once in a blue moon anymore. I don't know... for the most part the pairings I cared about existed since the 90s or even before. They don't do triangles well at all because it's always "True love couple vs INTERLOPER!" And then said interloper just gets shit on and villified to the point where, even if you like the couple, you're going 'okay, can we ease up a bit?' (Granted, this isn't always the case but it is more often than not.)

 

I just remember when you had a person torn between two others, you got why... that was the point of the story. And when it was resolved the happy couple got a break for awhile and then it was time for the loser to either get written off (if they were a full on villain) or meet someone who would become THEIR true love. Relationships ended for understandable reasons that didn't leave you going 'huh?' and scratching your head. I don't even know the whole Sonny/Will saga but I'm confused by all of it because... it's confusing! They don't seem to have any solid motivation for Will cheating in the first place and his reaction to it now... well, if they'd built a stronger set up for Will not feeling like he's bringing anything to the relationship combined with a desperation to prove himself resulting in a horrible concoction of bad decisions that might be one thing. I've said before that I think Will suddenly feeling like he's the interloper in the romance of the guy he cheated with and HIS husband is not a bad take... they just didn't give any build up to it. It was all Will is angry at his Mom and decides he needs to 'teach her a lesson' for being mean to Abigail (again... what? That was straight up bullshit, too.) then he took off to California with her and his chance at vague stardom and then he returns and they never got too deep into what happened in California so we don't even know if that's driving him now.

 

It's just... ugh, why am I supposed to care about any of this? They trying to do this backhanded 'Will's insecure and inexperienced and blah blah' routine with him now but it feels tagged on after the fact. And I don't even buy the Sonny/Sparkle Love of All Time, either. Sonny doesn't seem too torn to me. He's pissed off at his husband (rightly so) and then has to keep telling the sparkling stalker that he's not interested.

 

Oh, and I totally agree with those who have said that infidelity is the trope that TomSell keep using over and over and over again. Are these guys in New York? Maybe if they were in California they'd understand the concept of the well being dry. We're in the middle of a nasty drought. WE KNOW DRY!! That well is tapped out! Look elsewhere for a story idea!

[bobcat1946]

Liked Billie and Patrick, but Bo while he did not want Billie he did not want anyone else to have her.

[bantering]

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Ugh STFU Sparkle. Why are you talking to Marlena about what went down with Jawn and Roman. That's none of his damn business and Marlena should have told him to fuck off for trying to use her history to justify his actions. 

 

 

 

Why doesn't Sparkle get that John and Marlena reciprocated affection? They both cheated with people who wanted to cheat with them. Sonny doesn't appear to want to cheat with Sparkle. That part of the story he keeps leaving out.

Edited June 1, 2015 by bantering

[Rick Kitchen]

 

isn't that what they did with Wilson..They have decided that Sonny never really loved Will, his true love is and has always been Paul, now that Paul is ready to be with Sonny, evil Will is keeping them apart

That's not true at all.  The show has never said that Sonny never really loved Will.  If he never really loved Will, there wouldn't be a story, Sonny could just walk away without looking back, but that's clearly not what is happening.

[madhacker]

Am I the only one who kinda hoped that it wasn't just a dream that Sparkles was having (yeah I'm shallow but I'm pretty sure just about everybody here agrees with me that Christopher does have a awesome body).

[LeftPhalange]

Why doesn't Sparkle get that John and Marlena reciprocated affection? They both cheated with people who wanted to cheat with them. Sonny doesn't appear to want to cheat with Sparkle. That part of the story he keeps leaving out.

 

Because he's a desperate, delusional, creep with no boundaries. He's the male Abifail.

[Rick Kitchen]

Boy.  I totally don't get the Paul hatred.

[bobcat1946]

Did not mind Theresa really until today.  Her gloating after Melanie left rub me the wrong way.

[QuelleC]

Because he's a desperate, delusional, creep with no boundaries. He's the male Abifail.

He's cute, I don't hate him.  But he's gone out of his way to discuss how privileged he feels in controlling others who are attracted to him.  He seems like a nice enough guy in real life (unlike KM)

I know it's the writing.  But I can't believe how stupid it is he hasn't dropped the Jawlena thing as an excuse and intruded as much as Failure.  Also, he's had the same talk with Sonny for months. That's not really what's breaking up WilSon but with him on the scene they can't concentrate on their family.  I'm not interested in seeing him with either one of them.

[2222222222222222]

Okay screw loving each other, it's getting to the point where I don't even think Will and Sonny like each other. I'm more miserable than Sonny these days just watching their scenes.

 

Paul was really cute with Tate though.

[TigerLynx]

I'm just tired of the cheating SLs, the cheaters acting like they didn't do anything wrong, the interlopers acting like they are entitled to whoever they want, and none of these people putting any real effort into salvaging their relationship, or getting the hell out of it.

[QuelleC]

Did not mind Theresa really until today.  Her gloating after Melanie left rub me the wrong way.

I could learn something from Theresa.  She let her annoying mother (I enjoyed her appearance a lot though) argue with her Dumbass Brady while she quietly rested.  I didn't see her gloat over Melly, she just let her vent then took in a deep breath behind a closed door with a smile. If anything makes you focused it's a new baby.  I find a focused Theresa interesting.  I was more annoyed by 2 days of Melly flashbacks.  Maybe because almost everyone is getting a bigger sendoff than Sami.

 

Can a toilet seat from the space shuttle please fall on Naggie now?  Kate and Victor would sizzle.

[bantering]

I just don't get what Paul is clinging too when it comes to Sonny. Maybe Sonny smiles once in a while, but Sonny is a polite person in general so I don't see that as much of a sign of interest. I guess there have been a couple of times Sonny has looked at Paul kind of funny but I don't see that as actually say "Hells yeah, I'll cheat with you." (Sort of like if a girl smiles at a guy and looks at him across the room, I don't think we'd argue that she's unequivocally saying she wants to sleep with him either that day or at any point in the future. MAYBE the THOUGHT might have crossed her mind, but that's not the same thing as her actually saying that she'll act on it)

 

That said, I do think the actor playing Paul is decent enough. I find the character a bit shady, but I'll concede the actor avoids making Paul seem like a nutcase in need of being put on a 5150 hold when he's pursuing someone, unlike Abigail whose shadiness does come across as wacko when she needs sex from a Dimera in a closet or on a conference room table. On paper, I think Paul is similar to Abigail. In on-screen execution after the actor has put in his interpretation, I think the actor playing Paul has the ability to trick me into thinking his character is sane. 

Edited June 2, 2015 by bantering

[kristabell]

Can the writers really not come up with anything better for KDP and MS, who are both more than capable of handling themselves in strong storylines, to do than continue fighting over the love lives of teenagers? I mean really, show?

[Petunia13]

It wouldn't even be a fight. Abifail would just stand there looking stupid and talking shit and KM would make weird facial expressions. Then Kate would destroy her and that would be that.

Failures brain is the size of a Tic Tac and she loves slapping people unprovoked almost as much as married penis so I see her talking shit and mugging inanely then slapping Kate. Kate straight up punches Jar Jar and later discretely poisons her. Kate then is given a Medal of Honor by the city of Salem.

[Sandman]

Ugh STFU Sparkle. Why are you talking to Marlena about what went down with Jawn and Roman. That's none of his damn business and Marlena should have told him to fuck off for trying to use her history to justify his actions. 

 

Eve and Jen need to be removed from society. 

 

Yeah, Sparkle's sense of entitlement is getting on my nerves again.

 

Jennifer and Eve deserve each other. Neither one can see how awful she is. Jennifer's become a sanctimonious, controlling prig, and Eve just seems delusional. Why should Jennifer and JJ be the only ones to pay for hurting Paige? That just makes you sound like a lunatic, Suddenly Southern!

 

Why doesn't Sparkle get that John and Marlena reciprocated affection? They both cheated with people who wanted to cheat with them. Sonny doesn't appear to want to cheat with Sparkle. That part of the story he keeps leaving out.

 

BINGO.

 

Can the writers really not come up with anything better for KDP and MS, who are both more than capable of handling themselves in strong storylines, to do than continue fighting over the love lives of teenagers? I mean really, show?

 

I think the writers have real trouble writing adults as adults. I'm sure you're right that both de Paiva and Reeves are capable of more.

 

I want to like Theresa, but it seems the show believes my indifference to Melanie can be cured by making Theresa act like a second-string Kristen. That ain't happening.

Edited June 2, 2015 by Sandman

[Scootman]

 

Don't you guys notice that all the people who cheated on this show have played victim? Will, Lucas, Adrienne, Abigail, JJ,Eve, EJ and the ones who were betrayed are made to look  bad for actually voicing their hurt and anger.

Please, let's not forget Sonny's Father. Justin cheating with Elsa/Olga/Edna/Whatever the Fuck her name is started the whole Lucas-Adrienne thing. You stay away for almost a year and bang someone else, you've walked out on your marriage. Don't blame Adrienne, to be honest.

Edited June 2, 2015 by Scootman

[boes]

Snif....sorry, I've just been weeping all over my keyboard because of the deep, the oh-so-deep emotion between Brady and Melanie because she's doing such a beautiful thing by leaving Salem, forcing herself to go to Europe where she'll be made to travel all expenses paid, and live rent free - though she won't enjoy it, no sirree, not one little bit.  She'll be away from Salem and that pesky job, she's giving up the door knob she's in love with, she won't be seeing her mean-as-a-snake buttass crazy grandma, and OH HOW SHE'LL miss that endearing - and enduring daily whiff of dear old Dad's unwashed body sweat.

YUP, Mel is really sacrificing a LOT.  Hell, the poor thing is going to have to watch her I Love Lucy episodes online now, instead of seeing them stream out of Brady's ass.

 

But she's upset, nobody can doubt that.  We see her tears -  - Such a purty girl.

 

But Brady, our lil' blockhead is BROKEN, I tell you, BROKEN!  Madison is dead, Kristen is dead, Nicole isn't interested, Chloe disguised herself as a tree and he can't find her, he can't remember that Hernandez babe he dated - was it Rafe?, but she's gone, anmd now Melanie is moving to someplace called YOUR UP.  He thinks, since it's a baseball term, it MIGHT have something to do with Paul-that-bastard, but no matter, he won't be able to find her either.  

 

Our dude is UPPPPP set -  HOw can Mel stand leaving such a HAWT DOOD anyway?

 

Sad, so sad, I'm just a weepy MESS over it all.

 

 

That's not true at all.  The show has never said that Sonny never really loved Will.  If he never really loved Will, there wouldn't be a story, Sonny could just walk away without looking back, but that's clearly not what is happening.

 

I agree.  No way has Show said Sonny never loved Will, no way does Show say that he doesn't love him now.  I see a frustrated guy, who is dismayed and pissed off by the lies and by Sneasel's idiocy, but  I do not  see Sonny not still being in love with Will.  

I also don't see Sonny all that interested in Sparkle.  He's polite, he remembers the good times, and the bad, but I don't see any real current interest.  Sparkle is more delusional than not about it all.  If Will keeps pushing, though, that might make Sonny look back at the old days with more fondness than those severely closeted times with Sparkle deserve.

 

Sparkle, on the other hand, definitely has an active fantasy live about Sonny.   So active I hope he's leaving the hotel maid a BIG tip, cuz after those dreams he has, she deserves it.

 

Can a toilet seat from the space shuttle please fall on Naggie now?  Kate and Victor would sizzle.

 

Or, maybe some of that frozen pee that commerical airlines eject?  It would go so good with her hair.

 

Can the writers really not come up with anything better for KDP and MS, who are both more than capable of handling themselves in strong storylines, to do than continue fighting over the love lives of teenagers? I mean really, show?

 

Oh YES.  I enjoy seeing them both, especially interacting together.  But the same fight, over and over and over again?  Not so much.

Eve seems to have forgotten that SHE'S the mother JJ slept with, and Jen doesn't seem to realize that "taking responsibility" means more than whispering the words while looking at the floor as if she's Brick from The Middle.

Edited June 2, 2015 by boes

[amish40]

But Brady, our lil' blockhead is BROKEN, I tell you, BROKEN!  Madison is dead, Kristen is dead, Nicole isn't interested, Chloe disguised herself as a tree and he can't find her, he can't remember that Hernandez babe he dated - was it Rafe?

 

As I mentioned before, I only started watching Days in January, so I know little to nothing about Brady's backstory (other than the whole John firepoker stuff and that Kristen is absolutely insane). But I did a little reading, and Arianna Hernandez was played by Lindsay Hartley, who I love and who was Martsolf's love interest on Passions. I guess they paired them up to draw former Passions viewers to Days after Passions was cancelled. I need to watch some of these scenes on YouTube now. :)

 

But yes, Brady and Melanie were irritating today. Having said that, with the way Melanie keeps warning how Theresa will pay and with Anne's warnings too, I'm fearing that the next few months will have Theresa deal with Brady's bullying on a regular basis, and I'm not sure I want to watch that. I wanted Melanie to leave town, since I don't like the character or the actress's portrayal very much, but not like this.

[Sandman]

Justin cheating with Elsa/Olga/Edna/Whatever ...

 

You know, the image of Wally Kurth and Mrs. Krabappel is not one I needed in my head.

[Petunia13]

And Maggie as Marge Simpson.

[Apprentice79]

Today is a great day you guys..Today is the day is the day that twit Melanie leaves town, hopefully it is for good. One Jonas down, one to go..Parker Kiriakis can stay.  Goodbye Melanie..so long...Adios!  I have hated that insipid character since the show went out their way to destroy legacy characters to make her look good. I blame her for Tony's death, the initial destruction of Nick, Chelsea and Stefanie were thrown under the bus for her..Just like Will is being sacrificed for Sparkle...The show wanted her to be the leading ingenue and propped her to no end. Characters would have long-winded monologues about what a fantastic person she was. Good riddance! 

Edited June 2, 2015 by Apprentice79

[LeftPhalange]

I'm preparing myself for Abifail to get more screen time.

[boes]

I'm preparing myself for Abifail to get more screen time.

 

How do we prepare for that?  I've got an emergency earthquake kit in my garage, power of attorney documents if they're needed, but HOW do we prepare to see more of a that mutated, hopping, braindead Kangaroo Kid on screen?

 

Maybe I need to stock up on holy water.

[Lastwaltz]

Aww, you guys. I thought Melanie and Brady's conversation was sweet, notwithstanding the suspension of belief that has to happen when watching this or any other soap. I actually thought she brought out a very nice acting performance by Brady, who was at turns unbelieving, confused, sad, and reluctantly accepting. Different strokes!

 

Loving dark Paige as I've said,  but I hope I don't have to watch JJ pummel himself with self-loathing much longer. Even if he is messed up, it's no fun to watch someone implode every day. 

[LeftPhalange]

How do we prepare for that?  I've got an emergency earthquake kit in my garage, power of attorney documents if they're needed, but HOW do we prepare to see more of a that mutated, hopping, braindead Kangaroo Kid on screen?

 

Maybe I need to stock up on holy water.

 

I went to Target and bought all of their rodent killers. If 50 different chemicals are thrown on her maybe she'll dissolve. 

[Apprentice79]

Lastwaltz, I could have tolerated Melanie, if she was not deified by the writers at the expense of legacy characters.  I am sensitive to that since that was done to Jack and it is now being done with Will. I liked her with Nathan and Dario. Once they made her Daniel's daughter and Maggie's granddaughter, it went downhill from there. These writers go out of their way to ruin characters for their pets..They turned Stefanie, Steve and Kayla's daughter manipulative and bitchy to make Melanie look good..That turned me off, because I love Steve and Kayla, trashing their kid pissed me off...I stopped watching the show after that..I came back for Wilson...It is deja vue all over again for me with Lumi's kid...I was a Lumi fan from the beginning, ever since  they teamed up to keep Austin and Carrie apart..

 

I am not worried about Abifail getting more screentime because we are getting new writers who are going to focus on the vets and their kids..How it should be..I don't care about the Jonas family. We need new blood on the show, but they need to be introduced slowly and organically without trashing beloved established characters.. 

Edited June 2, 2015 by Apprentice79

[Lastwaltz]

Apprentice -- I share your love of Jack, as you know : ) Here's hoping that we can look forward to more legacy-respecting writing in the future, and I personally cannot wait until Bo and Patch hit the scene again. Although I hope Steve and Kayla get back together without a lot of angst -- they belong together and Steve would never have let his Sweetness go without a fight -- oh, unless it was to protect her...hmmmmmm. 

[shesajar]

I"m still liking Paul. I like that he's been upfront with everyone and calling people out as he sees fit. And  until the show stops ending before Sonny can answer the question "Do you still love Paul?" I'm going to assume that any chance that he still does is not all in Paul's head. Or Will's, for that matter. 

 

Brady should be grateful that Melanie just left town. All of his other "good" fiancees/girlfriends of recent years ended up dead, so I suppose we could consider this a successful romance for Brady.

 

Apprentice -- I share your love of Jack, as you know : ) Here's hoping that we can look forward to more legacy-respecting writing in the future, and I personally cannot wait until Bo and Patch hit the scene again. Although I hope Steve and Kayla get back together without a lot of angst -- they belong together and Steve would never have let his Sweetness go without a fight -- oh, unless it was to protect her...hmmmmmm. 

I have a horrible feeling that Patch, Bo and Justin have all abandoned their wives in order to protect them. There are a few scenarios that I'd buy: bringing Jack from the dead or finally killing Stefano just off the top of my head. However,I'd also be angry that the wives weren't actively involved in whatever it is. Hope and Kayla, in particular. Those broads are tough and could more than hold their own. I used to love the couples adventures they'd do on this show. Even though I really disliked EJ/Sami, I was hoping that they'd revive that sort of thing when she was on trial for shooting Bernardi. They'd' go on the lam together to gather evidence to clear her, just like the previous generation used to do. But then we got ring-kissing EJ instead. What a freaking let down.
Anyways, I'm sure I'll buy whatever it is that brings back Bo and Patch back just because I'm so happy to see them.

 

(I just noticed that I can't really bring myself to call him Steve....)

[Lastwaltz]

Patch and Steve -- i agree. He'll always be Patch to me. And you are so right, shesajar, about the couple capers of yesterday. It made for exciting episodes while we were falling for the couple at the same time as they were falling for each other. 

[bantering]

I"m still liking Paul. I like that he's been upfront with everyone and calling people out as he sees fit. And  until the show stops ending before Sonny can answer the question "Do you still love Paul?" I'm going to assume that any chance that he still does is not all in Paul's head. Or Will's, for that matter. 

 

 

 

Maybe Sonny does love Paul in some way, but I feel that's still not the same as someone saying they will definitely sleep with that person. Even if someone has feelings for the ex, if that person is saying "I want to work on my marriage" I feel the interloper should let the person be and leave them alone. 

[boes]

Maybe Sonny does love Paul in some way, but I feel that's still not the same as someone saying they will definitely sleep with that person. Even if someone has feelings for the ex, if that person is saying "I want to work on my marriage" I feel the interloper should let the person be and leave them alone. 

 

I agree.  Soaps no longer seem to either want to, or have a clue, on how to write love stories or relationships in a realistic way that makes me root for a couple.  I can, and often do, root for an individual - as I'm doing for Sonny.  For Sonny, not for Sonny/Will, or for Sonny/Paul.  

IMO, Sparkle is being written as a rather entitled guy who is focused on what he wants based on his rose-colored memories instead of an adult man who has just come out, who has a lot to learn and experience.  It also smacks of desperation to me.

Now, not as baldly as Will's desperation, but if Sonny were to take up with Sparkle at this point, after all that's gone on both between those two in the past, and with what he's going through with Will currently, then Sonny would look desperate and delusional to me too.  

Just my opinion.

 

Sonny is practically the only male in Salem who I think comes off in a consistently positive light.  He's not a self-involved bully like Brady, or as impressed with himself as Daniel, not as judgmental as Eric, etc.  I complain about how badly the women in Salem tend to be portrayed, or at least how they're judged by the good people of the town, but the men aren't any better.  Their negative traits are just a bit different in some ways.  Right now, anyway, Sonny is the only guy in town I'd want anything to do with.

Edited June 2, 2015 by boes

[Apprentice79]

Maybe Sonny does love Paul in some way, but I feel that's still not the same as someone saying they will definitely sleep with that person. Even if someone has feelings for the ex, if that person is saying "I want to work on my marriage" I feel the interloper should let the person be and leave them alone. 

Exactly..I think the show wants it both ways with Paul. They want him to chase after Sonny, but they dont want to make him an outright villain like EJ, Emma, Larry,Marina and Victor were, when they were interfering with the established couples...I think Paul should have been an outright villain, and did everything to break Wilson up. I think the show is afraid to have a Gay villain, out of fear of a backlash.  It would have been very easy for Paul to mess with Will's head and let the chips fall where they may... Victor was always a villain, but he always remained a viable character. The show never went out of their way to make Shane look bad to make Victor look good. That is my issue with the Sonny/Paul/ Will triangle...Paul is the male version of Abifail, entitled and selfish...

Edited June 2, 2015 by Apprentice79

[leela46]

I've hated Melanie ever since Nick was ruined in order to prop her.  I thought Nick and Chelsea had such good chemistry and potential.  Not looking forward to everyone sobbing over Melanie's departure today.

 

Maybe this goes under Unpopular Opinions, but I'm not a Bope fan.  I want Hope to stay with Aiden.  For years Bo has constantly put other people and things ahead of Hope. And I much prefer Bo with Billie. Or even Carly. I love seeing Hope finally with someone who loves only her.  I do think Steve and Kayla will get back together, with Joey creating lots of trouble for them.

 

I'm undecided about Will and Sonny. I think Sonny has better chemistry with Paul, and Will is acting like such a jerk now. But Sonny doesn't seem like the cheating type.  I know Freddie Smith has left the show, is the actor who plays Paul still with Days? Is it possible that Sonny and Paul leave Salem together.

 

I'm not really looking forward to the new writers I'm afraid.  I'm not interested in a bunch of characters over the age of sixty. And I say that as someone who has watched Days over forty years.

[LeftPhalange]

Maybe Sonny does love Paul in some way, but I feel that's still not the same as someone saying they will definitely sleep with that person. Even if someone has feelings for the ex, if that person is saying "I want to work on my marriage" I feel the interloper should let the person be and leave them alone. 

 

Even if Sonny still has some feelings for Sparkle that doesn't mean he wants to be with him, which is what Sparkle refuses to understand or accept. If Sonny really wanted to be with Sparkle he has the perfect opportunity to do so. Will cheated and is acting crazy and everyone except his family has turned against him. No one would blame Sonny for dumping him. But, instead of leaving he remains committed to his marriage is repeatedly expressed interest in trying to work things out. Sonny would STILL rather stay with Will, even though he lied and cheated and continues to act ridiculous, rather than get back together with Sparkle, and Sparkle just can't handle it. 

[Apprentice79]

Patch and Steve -- i agree. He'll always be Patch to me. And you are so right, shesajar, about the couple capers of yesterday. It made for exciting episodes while we were falling for the couple at the same time as they were falling for each other. 

Exactly..that is old school Days.....

[Apprentice79]

Even if Sonny still has some feelings for Sparkle that doesn't mean he wants to be with him, which is what Sparkle refuses to understand or accept. If Sonny really wanted to be with Sparkle he has the perfect opportunity to do so. Will cheated and is acting crazy and everyone except his family has turned against him. No one would blame Sonny for dumping him. But, instead of leaving he remains committed to his marriage is repeatedly expressed interest in trying to work things out. Sonny would STILL rather stay with Will, even though he lied and cheated and continues to act ridiculous, rather than get back together with Sparkle, and Sparkle just can't handle it. 

Exactly..Sparkle  is used to people catering to him. I assume that Sonny was one of those people as well. I don't think Paul and Sonny leave together. I am curious as to how Sonny leaves Ari behind...He would never leave her...I am hoping that Sonny goes on the run after killing Clyde. There has to be a reason that Will has not told him about his threats against their family. If Will was really like Sami, like the show likes to say, he would have used those threats by Clyde to get Sonny to pay more attention to him and Ari. Sonny is very protective of the people that he loves. I always smile, whenever Sonny calls Arianna his daughter, his little girl..I love that the show puts Sonny on the same level as Will, when it comes to her...

Edited June 2, 2015 by Apprentice79

[shesajar]

I think I'm willing to cut Paul some slack because I'm not invested in Will and Sonny anymore (as a couple or individuals, really) and because his lack of boundaries is typical in Salem. And the not plotting or being underhanded is a nice change for the apparent interloper.

 

Eve...Oh God, I forgot to bitch about Eve. Jennifer's reaction to Paige's smackdown has her edging back into my relatively good graces again, but Eve. What the ever loving hell is her problem? It's all Jennifer's fault that Eve lost Paige?  Because without Jennifer's interference, Eve would've gotten away with it? Jennifer's right; ditching Eve could be the best thing for Paige. (now if she would just tell JJ the same thing!)

[kitmerlot1213]

Oh my GOD, but I can not take another day of Melanie with her trembling little girl voice saying that she's leaving "for Brady and the baby."  Just pack your shit and GO!!!

 

I think I've finally realized what Will's issue is.  Sneasel's bellowing at Sonny, after Sonny rightly pointed out that Will's the one who cheated, "Just how long are you going to keep throwing that back in my face?"  tells me that Will truly feels that Sonny has to justify himself to Will because Sonny dared to love someone else before knowing him. Will cheated on Sonny and destroyed their lives but he has somehow made himself the wronged party and more importantly, he has placed the entire blame of said destruction on Paul.

 

Will has also latched onto Sonny's refusal to admit that he doesn't have feelings for Paul and Will in true Sneasel fashion will use this as the reason their marriage is failing.

 

To Will, he is only to blame a little bit.  It's actually more Sonny's fault for keeping a prior relationship a secret even though WIll had promised to do so and it's Paul's fault for being so Sparkly.

 

Sonny needs to cut his losses and get out of Salem and find a mature man who actually wants to be in a relationship.

Edited June 2, 2015 by kitmerlot1213

[boes]

Maybe this goes under Unpopular Opinions, but I'm not a Bope fan.  I want Hope to stay with Aiden.  For years Bo has constantly put other people and things ahead of Hope.

 

I agree.  I like Aiden.  He's the other male adult in Salem who seems like a decent guy.  He doesn't treat Hope with condescension and they seem like an equal match.  How unusual that is these days.  So now I've got two Salem men, Sonny and Aiden, in the "Not Asshat" column.  

 

I've hated Melanie ever since Nick was ruined in order to prop her.  I thought Nick and Chelsea had such good chemistry and potential.  Not looking forward to everyone sobbing over Melanie's departure today.

 

 

But it's just so sad.....

[bantering]

Both Paul and Will are such idiots.

 

Paul is flash-backing to an unenthusiastic Sonny. Princesses look more enthused dealing with toads...

 

Will is pushing Sonny to find feelings. WTF. Well, now Will is going to create feelings where maybe there might not have been any at all..  

 

Melanie and Nicole like each other? Since when? Maybe I'm projecting but I felt AZ looked as confused as me watching the scene...

Edited June 2, 2015 by bantering

[lilly6]

Am I the only one who kinda hoped that it wasn't just a dream that Sparkles was having (yeah I'm shallow but I'm pretty sure just about everybody here agrees with me that Christopher does have a awesome body).

 

Definitely not the only one!  Sparkle and Sonny are pretty.   I don't need too much more than that, lol.

[2222222222222222]

"You drop something like that on me and then you just walk away......I made a commitment..... That's what I thought was the best idea [for you to stay away] (insert brown puppy eyes of longing directed to Paul)"

 

Sonny Kiriakis, meet your soulmate, Passions' Ethan Winthrop Crane. I am angry at you right now, Sonny, for forcing me to admit that Will has a point (he's still batshit crazy, though). You want Paul around and you care about him more than you probably realize- you're not lying to Will, you're lying to yourself.

 

Will, I just........ if it's literally driving you crazy, please file for divorce, damn it! But you wouldn't do that, because you've already decided you will not lose the game to Paul, damned if you're happy in your marriage at this point.

 

Paul, here's some advice: get a new boyfriend- it shouldn't be hard, you're gorgeous and rich and funny and kids love you. Get a fione new boyfriend and flaunt him around like nobody's business- guarantee Sonny will be finding ways to end up at your hotel room to tell you things he could have told you on the phone.

[ShadowSixx]

6/2/2015 Recap :)

 

Kate/Clyde

Kate and Clyde walk into TBD and Kate says she can't believe she has to work for Justin calling it a nightmare. She tells Clyde that Justin knows that Lucas is sleeping with Adrienne and that's all Vic cares about and can't believe Vic would do this to her. Clyde says if he was Vic he would have fired Kate's cute little ass. Kate says Clyde has no idea what she's done for Mad World which Clyde calls old news as she lost retailers. Kate says he sounds like Victor. Clyde raises a question about Victor. (didn't catch the question)

 

Kate thinks Vic is keeping her around because of her value unlike Clyde. Clyde says he knows Kate's value and Kate says all she has to prove is that Justin is irrelevant. Clyde says she better stay on her toes. Kate notices that Clyde is checking his watch and does he have to be somewhere. Clyde says he has an interview with Will and Kate says Will will do a good job and Clyde knows he will as he's bringing Kate with him and she says yes.

 

Sonny/Will/Clyde/Kate

Will asks Sonny if he loves Paul and Sonny says he's in love with Will and all that matters. Will tells Sonny to answer the question. Sonny says when Will suggested the honesty hour on setting him up. Will says he wants the truth and Sonny says he did tell him the truth. Will says he wants Sonny to look him in the eye and tell him he doesn't have feelings for Paul and it will be all over. Sonny looks at Will and can't say it and Will says Sonny still loves Paul. 

 

Sonny says love is not what you say it's what you do and he said he didn't cheat on Sonny. Will doesn't like Sonny throwing that in his face and Sonny wants Will to listen. Sonny says Paul is the first man he fell in love with and they didn't break up because they fell out of love and Sonny says that he loves Paul in a different way as he's committed to Ari and Will. Will says people get committed to mental institution and Sonny is making it sound like a job. Sonny says why is that Will screwed up their lives yet Sonny has to keep defending himself. Will says that he screwed up their lives with Sonny's lover.

 

Sonny says Paul is in Salem because of John and Will says Paul is going to text and call Sonny and Sonny will show up and be there and look at him with his gorgeous eyes and do and say all the right things and Sonny will end up in bed with Paul just like he did. There's a knock at the door and Sonny says it's Will's interview and Will says that he didn't mean and Sonny finishes his sentence for Will. Sonny opens the door and Clyde and Kate walk in and Sonny walks out after saying they arrived at the perfect time.

 

Will wraps up the interview saying he has everything he need even in Poplar Bluffs. Will mentions about a guy in Poplar Bluffs who didn't want to give his name which Clyde wants and Will says the person was Jeremiah and Clyde wants to know what Jeremiah has to say about him. Will grabs the documents and hands it to Clyde to read. Clyde reads it and tells Will to use every bit of it and Will asks why and Clyde says because it's the truth and how he was a sorry SOB for a long time and people need to know that about him and if a man wants to change he can and looks forward to reading the article. Clyde asks Kate if she's coming with him and Kate says no as she wants to talk to Will. Clyde leaves.

 

Will says talk about what and Kate says Sonny was angry and what did Will do now. Will says everyone is turning against him and says Vic was at his wedding but wants Kate to talk to Vic but Kate says she's not in Vic's good graces. Will says he's going to lose his mind if he can't keep Paul away from Sonny.

 

Paul/Sonny

Paul is sitting in the park and flashes back to conversation with Sonny about caring about him.

 

Sonny and Paul are at the park and Sonny asks if something is wrong and Paul says he saw Tate for the first time and Sonny says that is what got him down. Paul says no as he saw a father teaching a son how to throw, everything he didn't have growing up and Sonny says he thought Paul's Grandpa taught him how to throw and Paul says yes but it's not the same. Paul talks some more and Sonny wants to know where he's getting at and Paul says John was right he should stay away from Sonny.

Paul goes to leave and Sonny says Paul dropped this on him and walks away. Paul says that he and Sonny have history and Sonny says they do and says he and Will had another fight. Paul says they shouldn't be talking and doesn't want something happening between them because of Will it should be about them and leaves.

 

Serena/Xander/Eric/Navidad

Serena is in her hotel room and gets a phone call from Xander and Xander wants to know what happened with Nicole and Serena says she told Nicole she's leaving and to leave Nicole alone. Xander says he'll worry about Nicole. Serena tells him that if he keeps acting like this it will blow up in his face. Xander says it's business and that diamonds are counted for and all there. He chats some more with her and she hangs up. Xander puts a photo of him and Serena in a brown envelope and writes 'Serena Mason' on it.

 

Serena is packing and there's a knock and it's Eric with coffee and asks her if she's finished packing which she confirms. She asks Eric if he changed his mind. Eric says that Marlena is shaky after what happened in Italy and because of that he didn't tell her about his move to Hawaii nor told the rest of his family and he didn't give notice and it will be a few days. Eric says he'll catch up with her in a week and is excited as it's not him stalling. Eric wants to make sure everything is ok with his family before telling them the news. Eric says they'll start a wonder life together soon.

 

Xander is on the phone with Navidad about Nicole and Navidad talks about what happened at The Square and ends the call. Xander puts his shirt on.

 

Serena is walking through the square when she gets a text from Eric saying I miss you which makes Serena smile. Eric is still in Serena's hotel when there's a knock and a delivery of the brown envelope. Eric is on the computer when he spills coffee on the envelope and opens it up. Serena comes back some time later and apologizes for being late and Eric shows the picture and asks Serena what the hell it is. (Last scene of the day)

 

Dan/Parker/Nicole/Navidad/Maggie

Parker and Dan are playing Go Fish at The Square when Nicole sees them, but keeps her distance and Navidad is watching from a store that's behind Parker and Dan. Maggie runs up and asks Dan and Parker to come with her back to Dan's apartment as it's important. Dan sees Nicole but walks off and Nicole walks off too. Navidad exits the store and continues watching Nicole.

 

Nicole/Xander
In her office talking to herself about Xander and the elephant getting hyped up and calms herself down. She says someone has to get her the statue but who, she throws out Mel's name and says it's worth a shot and leaves.

 

Nicole is back in her office after speaking with Mel when Xander enters. Xander thinks all the sneaking around isn't necessary anymore because he ran into Dan and how he and Nicole have a chance to tell everyone on where they stand. Xander wants Nicole to come with him as his date to a dinner at Vic's. Nicole says Vic will hate Xander for bringing her to dinner and declines. Xander walks up closer to Nicole and wants to know why Nicole is turning him down again because of Vic or Dan and if it's the latter they will have a serious problem.

 

Brady/Mel/Maggie/Dan/Parker

Brady says he could never hate Mel and Mel says that she has to go. Brady says just goodbye which Brady wants it to be a separation and Mel says that Theresa isn't going to stop being the mother of Tate and if she sticks around Theresa will go to California. Brady says it doesn't have to be forever and that Mel can go away temporarily. Brady doesn't like this and asks Mel what she's gonna do and Mel says she's going to live with her mother. Brady says she can't leave and gets more upset and storms out of the apartment. 

 

Maggie, Parker, and Dan enter the apartment calling out for Mel but she's not there. There's a note and Dan hopes she didn't say goodbye in a note.

 

Mel returns home and Maggie takes Parker to his room. Mel says she didn't know how else to tell them. Dan says she doesn't have to do this as they will figure it out. Mel says she just needs to know that Dan loves her and Dan says forever and ever and hugs Mel. Mel and Dan talk about family and Mel says it's what's best for Tate and it's the most important part. Mel says she talked to Nicole and how Nicole is crazy about Dan. Dan says Mel is trying to patch things up between them before she leaves and Mel hopes she hasn't let Dan down. Dan says Mel is the best daughter in the world and Mel says she's trying to live up to Dan. Dan says he didn't know how to be a father when they first met and Mel says Dan did a good job. Dan doesn't know why Mel is doing this but knows she's doing it because she loves Brady. Mel wants Dan to remind Brady of that every now and then.

 

Maggie is now talking to Mel about Theresa and Mel says that Maggie needs to focus on Brady and Tate cause who else is gonna keep Vic from controlling Tate. Maggie gets why Mel is doing it and Mel says it's Maggie's fault because she's the first person to ever believe in Mel and that Maggie loved her when she didn't deserve it. Maggie says Mel deserves to be loved always and they hug and Mel says she's lucky to have Maggie which Maggie says luck has nothing to do with it.

 

Mel says that she's due at the airport with Maggie and Dan now in the living room. Mel wants Maggie and Dan to wait for her in the car as she wants some alone time. Dan grabs Mel's luggage and Parker, Maggie, and Dan leave. Mel says there's no place like home and she turns around to see Brady in the doorway. Mel thought that she wouldn't see Brady again and Brady says as much as he loves Mel he has to trust her and let her do what she thinks is right. Brady says Mel found Tate and will love her. They kiss. Brady says he's not letting her leave without a proper goodbye and is taking her to the airport. Mel says Brady will have to fight Dan and Brady says he will. Brady says he knows Mel is far away but he'll think about her and will share a lot of moments with her. They hug. Mel calls shotgun for the car and they leave.

 

Brady/Tate
Brady comes to the park after his chat with Mel and sits on a bench.

 

Brady is now at the hospital holding Tate and talking about Tate coming home with him and a lot of people love him.

 

Mel/Maxine/Tate/Serena/Nicole

Maxine asks Mel if she wants to do this and Mel says that Brady needs to be with his son. Maxine says if she can't talk her out of it she'll tell her that she's proud of the woman she's become. Mel asks Maxine to do something for her before she goes. Mel and Maxine are now in masks as Mel is feeding Tate and says Tate has Brady's nose and how he'll be the best daddy. Mel says she's at the hospital because she has to say goodbye.

 

Mel is now with Serena in the reception area and talks about leaving. Nicole exits the elevator and sees them talking and Serena wishes her the best and walks off. Nicole approaches Mel and asks if Mel is ok and Mel says she's saying goodbye as she's leaving Salem. Nicole asks about Brady and Mel says it's for Brady so he can focus on Tate and needs to stay out of the picture. Nicole doesn't understand but if it's what she has to do and says it's hard for Mel which Mel says it is leaving family and friends and she considers Nicole a friend. Nicole says really which Mel confirms and sees what Dan and Brady sees in her as she's loyal and doesn't back down. Mel says Nicole shouldn't put herself down and Mel says she has to go and doesn't know when she'll see Nicole but asks Nicole for a favor before she leaves.

 

Nicole says whatever she needs and Mel says get over what's keeping Dan and Nicole apart and work through it as she wants Dan to be happy. Happiness for Dan is being with Nicole. Nicole says wow and hugs Mel. 

 

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A little hard to recap thanks to Mel and her teleportation powers. Girl was everywhere and talking to Nicole, Tate, Maxine, Dan, Serena, & Brady before the 30 minute mark on today's show. Also Nicole, Brady, Shrewena, Abusive Bitch Xander, just transporting all over Salem makes the recap look a little wonky. 

 

Newsflash Sneasel, Sparkles has been saying all the right things to Sonny and Sonny hasn't dropped his underwear for him. Sonny has more restraint and he wanted the honesty hour and got it with Sonny saying he still loves Sparkles. Sneasel can't understand why people are turning their backs on him, well welcome to Sami's world when she was treated like shit because she dared to go after Jar Jar. Now Sneasel would have had some credit thrown his way if he had said now I know how Sami feels but he hates being compared to his mother.

 

Also Sonny you can't go running to Sparkles everytime you have a fight with Sneasel. You can go to other people like Kate or talk to Chad or T. (Where is T? I haven't seen his cute self in a long time.)

 

I was thinking since Brady and Sparkles were both at the park that they would have a scene together and talk about their problems, but no such luck. Probably would not have been a stimulating conversation given how dumb both of them are.