Bethenny Frankel: Skinny Girl

[ryebread]

Bethenny can go where and when she desires, BUT do not be hypocritical by caterwauling that Bryn may need you WHILE SHE IS WITH HER FATHER during your 4 day(s) or less Turks/Caicos trip as well as feeling overwhelmed by the company of 8 women. 

 

AFAIK, she never said anything about Bryn needing her while in Jason's custody. 

 

She said she was cutting the TC trip short because if she didn't she wouldn't see Bryn 21 days out of a 30 day period.

[Grneyedldy]

Bethenny didn't want to be away from Bryn during HER SCHEDULED TIMES with Bryn. Dorinda's birthday in the Berkshires occurred during one of B's scheduled weekend with Bryn. That was the conflict B was having. The T & C trip coincides with a recital Bryn is having and if Bethenny missed it, it would add to the number of days she wouldn't see Bryn. Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that Jason and Bethenny are not able to act like adults and make adjustments to the visitation schedules? I personally think Jason is probabky a dick about everything that would make the divorce and co-parenting easier. JMHO as I'm sure many blame it all on Bethenny. Is it really both of them? Yeah probably.

Edited June 21, 2015 by Grneyedldy

[ZoloftBlob]

YET, all of that angst dissipates in a virtually similar situation--but a longEr trip. It is NOT THE TRIP, it is the wildly DIFFERENT REACTIONS to the trips.

 

I'm sorry, do we know Bethenny isn't a sobbing worried mess on this trip?

 

I also would like to hope, at least, that Bethenny is getting some control over her emotions because Brynn is going to visit her dad a lot and its really something normal people start to get used to. I find her caterwhaling a bit obnoxious too but its just the start of the custody agreement and people can be emotional. A few months down the road, it really should be a little easier. I don't understand why Bethenny starting to cope like a normal person makes her wrong.

[WireWrap]

AFAIK, she never said anything about Bryn needing her while in Jason's custody. 

 

She said she was cutting the TC trip short because if she didn't she wouldn't see Bryn 21 days out of a 30 day period.

She wouldn't see Bryn for 21ays because Bethenny had another 9 day trip after returning from T&C, not because she would be gone for 4 days in T&C.

[AnnaMayWong]

I'm sorry, do we know Bethenny isn't a sobbing worried mess on this trip?

I also would like to hope, at least, that Bethenny is getting some control over her emotions because Brynn is going to visit her dad a lot and its really something normal people start to get used to. I find her caterwhaling a bit obnoxious too but its just the start of the custody agreement and people can be emotional. A few months down the road, it really should be a little easier. I don't understand why Bethenny starting to cope like a normal person makes her wrong.

[AnnaMayWong]

Yes, we do--through her very lovely photos. We know as much about Bethenny's state of mind as we do about Heather and Kristen's state of mind whilst being accused of emotional and mental torture.

Edited June 21, 2015 by BookElitist

[KungFuBunny]

Bethenny didn't want to be away from Bryn during HER SCHEDULED TIMES with Bryn. Dorinda's birthday in the Berkshires occurred during one of B's scheduled weekend with Bryn. That was the conflict B was having. The T & C trip coincides with a recital Bryn is having and if Bethenny missed it, it would add to the number of days she wouldn't see Bryn. Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that Jason and Bethenny are not able to act like adults and make adjustments to the visitation schedules? I personally think Jason is probabky a dick about everything that would make the divorce and co-parenting easier. JMHO as I'm sure many blame it all on Bethenny. Is it really both of them? Yeah probably.

I think Jason is being an absolute dick too.

On the days Bethenny has custody of Brynn, if she has a meeting in California, or wants to take Brynn out of state, I can see Jason being a dick and refusing to give parental consent.

[AnnaMayWong]

Look my positive view of ANY of these women is negligible. For some, it may wax and wane and for some it may remain at a low ebb. Bethenny is no BETTER or WORSE than most of the Ho_s, but stop the screeching emotional/mental hostage-taking/blackmail OR encourage Andy to DELETE you (Bethenny) from the show.

[hottesthw]

I'm sorry, do we know Bethenny isn't a sobbing worried mess on this trip?

I also would like to hope, at least, that Bethenny is getting some control over her emotions because Brynn is going to visit her dad a lot and its really something normal people start to get used to. I find her caterwhaling a bit obnoxious too but its just the start of the custody agreement and people can be emotional. A few months down the road, it really should be a little easier. I don't understand why Bethenny starting to cope like a normal person makes her wrong.

This is a woman who 30 years later is still harping on tv about what awful people her parents are/were and her terrible childhood. Any other person, yes I would agree with you that basically time makes things better and she has adjusted. But being it's Bethenny, no I do not believe that.

And also based on the pics of her and her tweets, no it doesn't sound like she's hiding out in her cabin crying for her child. And if she is, just like with RHONYC I would say to her "well then why the fuck did you go"!

Edited June 21, 2015 by hottesthw

[ZoloftBlob]

And also based on the pics of her and her tweets, no it doesn't sound like she's hiding out in her cabin crying for her child. And if she is, just like with RHONYC I would say to her "well then why the fuck did you go"!

 

So basically, if she is coping well, she's wrong, and if she isn't coping well, she is also wrong.

[hottesthw]

So basically, if she is coping well, she's wrong, and if she isn't coping well, she is also wrong.

Hey, I'm only going by the info SHE put out there. She's too emotional to be away from her child for anything. Yet right now she's happily sailing around the middle of nowhere while tweeting nasty inuendos about her ex. I don't know what to believe of the lying farce that is Bethenny.

I just wanna know when the new reality show, Real Penguins of the Galapagos is going to start airing. Because you know B don't do anything without a camera focused on her.

[WireWrap]

So basically, if she is coping well, she's wrong, and if she isn't coping well, she is also wrong.

Not really. I think some, me included, suspect Bethenny's tears/crying about having to be away from Bryn were at the very least amped up for the camera to help redeem herself to win back her fans in order to improve sales of her SG products. JMO

[hottesthw]

Not really. I think some, me included, suspect Bethenny's tears/crying about having to be away from Bryn were at the very least amped up for the camera to help redeem herself to win back her fans in order to improve sales of her SG products. JMO

1000%. You say it much better than me :)

[AnnA]

"Reality TV" isn't all that real.

 

Edited June 21, 2015 by AnnA

[film noire]

Once again, it is NOT the Galapagos trip. It is the DIFFERENT REACTIONS to said similar trips.

 

Well, in comments like this,  "It's the distance away she chose is what I find hypocritical" Breezy made it clear the distance traveled was proof of lack of genuine concern on Bethenny's part -- so I'll take Breezy at her/his word that it matters to them.

 

ETA:

 

Because this woman has cried endlessly that going to the corner store without her kid causes her to break down and sob on the floor. One would think that due to that kind of emotion alone she wouldn't be able to step foot on a plane to head out thousands of miles away in the middle of nowhere.

 

Why would anyone think that?  Bethenny has said not having Bryn with her full time is what disturbs her -- and so when she has Bryn, she wants to spend all her time with her daughter -- Bethenny has never said she can't travel when her child is with Jason because she needs to stay home crying about missing Bryn. So whether she stays in town, obsessively missing her daughter, or goes away, obsessively missing her daughter (or any other variation thereof) she will still be without her daughter during that time period.  

Edited June 21, 2015 by film noire

[SCS]

pirates with machine guns.

That's the season finale. It's called "LuAnn's Sexual Fantasy".

[KungFuBunny]

That's the season finale. It's called "LuAnn's Sexual Fantasy".

With Sonja reaping the leftovers and heating them in her own toaster oven

 

Ba dum dum

 

It's the Steel & Bunny Show....thank you very much...we're here every night

[comatoast]

I get your point,  it does seem strange that she embarks on an international trip without Bryn.  On the bright side maybe she is getting better and accepting that she and Jason agreed to a custody arrangement where the non-custodial parent can take a week long holiday.  To me the hypocrisy is why is she on this ship of fools? It just sounds depressing being on a cruise that's hand selected passengers are all females and look good in a bikini. She is lucky Carole is there. It just seems so un-Bethenny.  The old Bethenny would be making fun of this situation.

While any ship with a "hugh heffner" anything would be a ship of douches, the article also mentioned two other men after the emphasis on the "hot" ladies. We don't know if there were more in that 100 person guest list. Also, through the years we have seen Beth network like no other housewife. This could very well be a mission to find the next Skinny Girl partner.

Edited June 21, 2015 by comatoast

[comatoast]

This is a woman who 30 years later is still harping on tv about what awful people her parents are/were and her terrible childhood. Any other person, yes I would agree with you that basically time makes things better and she has adjusted. But being it's Bethenny, no I do not believe that.

And also based on the pics of her and her tweets, no it doesn't sound like she's hiding out in her cabin crying for her child. And if she is, just like with RHONYC I would say to her "well then why the fuck did you go"!

If we are to judge by her tweets, then we have to go back and make sure she was posting pictures of herself sobbing during the filming of the show. If she wasn't, then she very well could be sobbing to Carol while still managing to tweet pleasant pictures of herself on the trip. Also, in a ship with 100 guests and 75 crew members, it is very easy to have walls up and basically become wallpaper if that is where she still is emotionally. Much different than going on a trip with a group of women with whom you've had "fires" to put out already.

Edited June 21, 2015 by comatoast

[KungFuBunny]

Breaking news this just in...

 

Bethenny aboard a yacht heard singing...

 

Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a fateful trip
That started from this tropic port aboard this tiny ship.

The mate was a mighty sailing man,the skipper brave and sure.
Five passengers set sail that day, for a three hour tour, a three hour tour.

The weather started getting rough, the tiny ship was tossed.
If not for the courage of the fearless crew the minnow would be lost, the minnow would be lost.

The ship set ground on the shore of this uncharted desert isle.
With Gilligan, the Skipper too, the millionaire and his wife, the movie star
The professor and Mary Ann,
Here on Gilligans Isle. Here on Gilligans Isle.

 

Dat beotch, how dare she go to Gilligan's Isle!

 

It's not Gilligan's Isle, it's Galapagos Islands?

 

Nevermind - wait Galapagos Islands famous for it's turtles?...how dare she not invite Turtle Time Ramona!!!

 

[shoegal]

If I am understanding correctly, in order for Bethenny to not be a hypocrite, because she cried about leaving Bryn for a trip on the show, she must cry about leaving Bryn for every trip she takes from here on out, forever and ever amen?

[Diane Mars]

If I am understanding correctly, in order for Bethenny to not be a hypocrite, because she cried about leaving Bryn for a trip on the show, she must cry about leaving Bryn for every trip she takes from here on out, forever and ever amen?

No. She should stop whining, crying, playing the victim and using the "Bryn excuse" anytime it suits her and it fits to her "poor me" scenario.

[shoegal]

No. She should stop whining, crying, playing the victim and using the "Bryn excuse" anytime it suits her and it fits to her "poor me" scenario.

Well, it sounds like she does. So, I guess problem solved?

[Aethera]

Folks, you're getting heated, and some of these posts are crossing the line into rude. Bethanny is always going to be controversial, but that doesn't mean we need to hammer on each other. Let's all agree to disagree, and move on.

[Celia Rubenstein]

I popped over to Beth's instagram to see what I was missing since I couldn't make it on the cruise  (my tomato plants aren't gonna water themselves!) and I have decided I want to change my vote on her new hairdo.  I think it is a massive improvement over the long locks.  When I look at the older pictures of her with long hair, I think it looks all wrong and wonder what she was thinking.

 

I just thought I'd throw that out there.  Back to the garden I go. 

[zoeysmom]

I popped over to Beth's instagram to see what I was missing since I couldn't make it on the cruise  (my tomato plants aren't gonna water themselves!) and I have decided I want to change my vote on her new hairdo.  I think it is a massive improvement over the long locks.  When I look at the older pictures of her with long hair, I think it looks all wrong and wonder what she was thinking.

 

I just thought I'd throw that out there.  Back to the garden I go. 

I followed your lead and flipped over to her Instagram account - the new 'do suits her, her yoga moves are outstanding and she needs to get with Claudia Jordan in the feet that are not suitable to be photographed department.  I have never seen so many toes that seem to be unrelated on someone's foot.  https://instagram.com/p/4ChYGztPF_/?taken-by=bethennyfrankel

[Otherkate]

I'm a total Instagram junkie but have never thought to look at Bethenny's. I just checked it out and couldn't stop laughing at this caption that accompanied a photo of some fruit and her fruit infuser:

Back on my yoga game and grabbing life by the exercise balls w/ my @FabFitFun fruit infuser. Get one for FREE and $10 off ur 1st #FabFitFun box when u use my code “getoffmyjock” - Get yours at **vip.fabfitfun.com**

 

Oh, Bethenny. Hah!

[Rhetorica]

Perhaps, Jason and Bethenny have both matured since RHONY was filmed and are actually working with each other for Bryn's schedule and dates. It could happen!

[BeachyMum]

Why is she doing yoga poses in a bikini? I have lived in LA all my life and have never seen anyone do yoga in a bikini, it looks gross and this is the 2nd one she posted in 3 days. But remember she does NOT want ANY attention. LOL

[Otherkate]

Why is she doing yoga poses in a bikini? I have lived in LA all my life and have never seen anyone do yoga in a bikini, it looks gross and this is the 2nd one she posted in 3 days. But remember she does NOT want ANY attention. LOL

 

You must not spend a lot of time on Instagram. Or at least not follow any yoga enthusiasts. (I do a lot of yoga and follow a lot of yogis on Instagram and Tumblr - yoga in a bikini shots are not uncommon. I think it's gross, honestly.)

[AnnaMayWong]

Well, in comments like this, "It's the distance away she chose is what I find hypocritical" Breezy made it clear the distance traveled was proof of lack of genuine concern on Bethenny's part -- so I'll take Breezy at her/his word that it matters to them.

ETA:

Why would anyone think that? Bethenny has said not having Bryn with her full time is what disturbs her -- and so when she has Bryn, she wants to spend all her time with her daughter -- Bethenny has never said she can't travel when her child is with Jason because she needs to stay home crying about missing Bryn. So whether she stays in town, obsessively missing her daughter, or goes away, obsessively missing her daughter (or any other variation thereof) she will still be without her daughter during that time period.

[AnnaMayWong]

Ok, I will take the onus off "Breezy424" and assume it myself. I "stated" it. The walls are not up.

[missy jo]

Bethenny Frankel ‏@Bethenny  Jun 16

The male sea lion lays around while the female provides. Hmmm...

#isuckatrelationships

 

Kids get vibes from parents, they can suss out how one parent feels about the other even if they cannot read tweets. Passive/aggressive bashing the other parent is sad.... for the child involved.  If Jason is also doing this type of behavior, shame on him, too.  Suck up that anger. I have heard it said that one parent saying/feeling bad things about a child's other parent is sometimes interpreted by the child as saying that they, the child, is bad, also.

 

 

Her sexist double standards and sniping at her child's father really gross me out. And yes, lounging happily on a yacht while faking and/or having a nervous breakdown on the Real Housewives doesn't add up.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

I cruised her Instagram, the bikini yoga is just NO as many IG comments state. But if you're one of 75 bikini ladies on the boat if you're Bethenny you gotta do something to make sure you get the most attention. Her daughter's pajamas were in her other suitcase so the bikini is her accessory. A good therapist could really ferret this trait out of her but NOOO, Amador. She is so angry and deprived. I love how all this vitriol toward Mommy Daddy is now turned on Jason. Who's next? There will always be someone in the firing line until she gets mentally healthy.

The sea lion comment is pure bitch. The male sea lion lays around while the female provides et al was her post. One comment states the pic she posted is of a FEMALE sea lion. Haha hahahahaha nice try BITCH. What a shit show for Brynn.

Kelly B had her number all along. Her attitude and her antics are for kids, I don't like you and I don't think you're funny.

[Grneyedldy]

I don't think Bethenny's crying was/is staged. And I certainly don't think she and Andy came up with the crying for sympathy points. When situation are new, it's not uncommon to be emotional nor is it uncommon to get a handle on our emotions as we navigate the day to day changes. So which is it.......is Bethenny getting a good edit or a bad edit?

[ZoloftBlob]

So which is it.......is Bethenny getting a good edit or a bad edit?

 

Thats what I am wondering. Frankly, I am kind of done with the "Bethenny falls apart and cries" aspect of each show, and I was pretty well done when she first did it with Fredrik (who had about my reaction to it).

 

It's certainly not helping her storylines so if it's staged, its a way way bad idea.

[zoeysmom]

Thats what I am wondering. Frankly, I am kind of done with the "Bethenny falls apart and cries" aspect of each show, and I was pretty well done when she first did it with Fredrik (who had about my reaction to it).

 

It's certainly not helping her storylines so if it's staged, its a way way bad idea.

I think crying has worked or Bethenny in the past so she will continue to use it until those around her don't respond.  I have watched Tamra from the OC fake cry her way through so many scenes I would not believe her crying if they showed her being jabbed with a red hot poker. It is Bethenny's ability to recover so quickly  that leaves me doubting her sincerity.

[comatoast]

And yes, lounging happily on a yacht while faking and/or having a nervous breakdown on the Real Housewives doesn't add up.

I would agree completely if these two events were happening simultaneously, but we know that the footage we are now seeing on ROHNY was filmed months earlier. I guess I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, because I would hope for her sake and Bryn's that she is not the emotional wreck she was while filming. Situations can change. And add me to the list of viewers who is done with the tears.

[Crikey]

I popped over to Beth's instagram to see what I was missing since I couldn't make it on the cruise  (my tomato plants aren't gonna water themselves!) and I have decided I want to change my vote on her new hairdo.  I think it is a massive improvement over the long locks.  When I look at the older pictures of her with long hair, I think it looks all wrong and wonder what she was thinking.

 

I just thought I'd throw that out there.  Back to the garden I go. 

I agree, I think her hair looks perfect that length.  

If she has had any work done on her face, and I think she has, it looks great. The Dr. made it minimal and in keeping with her natural look, IMO.

[KungFuBunny]

I agree, I think her hair looks perfect that length.  

If she has had any work done on her face, and I think she has, it looks great. The Dr. made it minimal and in keeping with her natural look, IMO.

This is one of the reasons I like NY HW's so much....the ladies faces are not as full of botox as the west coast wives (BH & OC)

They aren't at the Adrienne Maloof, Heather Dubrow, Brandi G stage yet

 

I hope Bethenny keeps this length for a while and takes a break from the extensions and weaves

[BlackMamba]

I followed your lead and flipped over to her Instagram account - the new 'do suits her, her yoga moves are outstanding and she needs to get with Claudia Jordan in the feet that are not suitable to be photographed department. I have never seen so many toes that seem to be unrelated on someone's foot. https://instagram.com/p/4ChYGztPF_/?taken-by=bethennyfrankel

This is why I dont like looking at feet.

Edited June 23, 2015 by BlackMamba

[beesknees]

If I am understanding correctly, in order for Bethenny to not be a hypocrite, because she cried about leaving Bryn for a trip on the show, she must cry about leaving Bryn for every trip she takes from here on out, forever and ever amen?

 

We viewers tend to forget momentarily when we're caught up in the episodes that these episodes were filmed oh-so-many months ago.  There is a huge lag time, 8-9 mos.?  I cried every time my child went away for a weekend with my ex-husband when we first got divorced.  This was in the beginning.  I'd walk around the house in a daze, collapse into a sobbing heap although I will say I was in the house alone! feeling like my right arm was perpetually cut off.  Something was missing. And it was my child.  At the the time I was a SAHM.  That first year was unmitigated TORTURE during holiday season (as many parents can attest to).  I dreaded it.  The 1st XMAS without my child, the 1st Easter, her b-day weekend .... very depressing. 

 

Now?  FF 5 years later.  My daughter just got off a 2-week vacay stint at her dad's during the beginning of summer vacation season.  My daughter's going to transition into being a teenager in a few months.  The day before I was supposed to pick my child up to bring her back home I realized "Dang!  The two weeks is up ALREADY ?!! What the ...?? and soon I have to go back to eye-rolling, talking back under her breath, whining, fussing, HORMONES are kicking in, she got her period recently ..."   Just my daughter's attitude during the 90 min. car ride home gave me hives.  Yikes.  Makes me remember how devastated I acted in the beginning.  I chuckle how profoundly things have changed just a few years later.  And they will drastically change for Bethenny as well.  Wait, til your kid's hormones kick in, Bethenny.  Beware of what you wish for...LOL.

 

Shoegal and I bat things around from time to time (opposing views).  We often don't agree but I've got to back her up on this one.  I am not a total Bethenny Frankel hater!  (Well, 90%)

Edited June 23, 2015 by beesknees

[izabella]

But haven't Beth and Jason been separated and divorcing for years now?  I mean, Brynn is 5 now and they were only married two years.  This splitting of time with Brynn isn't new under the circumstances.  They'd already had the custody issue settle for months before they started filming, and Beth and Jason had been apart long before that.

 

I can see how Beth would still be sad, but not to the point of melting down on camera all the time.

[WireWrap]

We viewers tend to forget momentarily when we're caught up in the episodes that these episodes were filmed oh-so-many months ago.  There is a huge lag time, 8-9 mos.?  I cried every time my child went away for a weekend with my ex-husband when we first got divorced.  This was in the beginning.  I'd walk around the house in a daze, collapse into a sobbing heap although I will say I was in the house alone! feeling like my right arm was perpetually cut off.  Something was missing. And it was my child.  At the the time I was a SAHM.  That first year was unmitigated TORTURE during holiday season (as many parents can attest to).  I dreaded it.  The 1st XMAS without my child, the 1st Easter, her b-day weekend .... very depressing. 

 

Now?  FF 5 years later.  My daughter just got off a 2-week vacay stint at her dad's during the beginning of summer vacation season.  My daughter's going to transition into being a teenager in a few months.  The day before I was supposed to pick my child up I realized "Dang!  The two weeks is up ALREADY ?!! What the ...?? and soon I have to go back to eye-rolling, talking back under her breath, whining, fussing, HORMONES are kicking in, she got her period recently ..."   And this is just in the 90 min. car ride home.  Yikes.  Makes me remember how devastated I acted in the beginning.  I chuckle how profoundly things have changed just a few years later.  And they will drastically change for Bethenny as well.  Wait, til your kid's hormones kick in, Bethenny.  Beware of what you wish for...LOL.

 

Shoegal and I bat things around from time to time (opposing views).  We often don't agree but I've got to back her up on this one.  I am not a total Bethenny Frankel hater!  (Well, 90%)

I don't think anyone begrudges Bethenny for wanting to send time with Bryn and if she was new to "Reality TV" I am sure most would support her tears but she is a veteran of these shows She knows first hand how demanding they are of your personal time, she knows it requires going to parties, events gatherings held in the evening when she would otherwise be with her daughter, not to mention the trips out of town, like Dorinda's vacation home or the T&C short trip. That is why some/many of us question her honesty in these melt downs, she knew what she was signing up for from the start but chose to do so anyway. IMO, she is using Bryn/custody/divorce as her storyline for sympathy to help bolster her failing SG line more than for any other reason. JMO though

[Crikey]

But haven't Beth and Jason been separated and divorcing for years now?  I mean, Brynn is 5 now and they were only married two years.  This splitting of time with Brynn isn't new under the circumstances.  They'd already had the custody issue settle for months before they started filming, and Beth and Jason had been apart long before that.

 

I can see how Beth would still be sad, but not to the point of melting down on camera all the time.

I agree.

My guess is that the crying/meltdowns were about the relationship with her then boyfriend.  Many relationships tend to spiral downwards over a period of time, not just end suddenly.  I think it was getting rocky and she was upset.  She clings to her daughter, I think it is her only close relationship, and having her daughter with her was really important at that time because it could soothe her pain over the relationship.  Just my guess.

[jimene79]

How weird that Bethenny forgives the abuser (stepfather) and not the abused (mother).  That's so bizarre to me.

Edited June 24, 2015 by jimene79

[Celia Rubenstein]

How weird that Bethenny forgives the abuser (stepfather) and not the abused (mother).  That's so bizarre to me.

 

I understand what you are saying, but I think one has to look deeper.

 

Bethenny's relationship with her mother and her relationship with her step-father are two totally different situations.  Just because she has been able to come to terms with one situation and achieve forgiveness does not necessarily mean the other situation has been rectified.  Whereas Bethenny had not spoken to John Parisella for many years and there was time and space to cool off and gain perspective, Bethenny and her mother have traded negative comments about each other on tv and in the press over and over for years, ever since Bethenny became a Real Housewife.  So that old wound has been reopened and reopened and reopened.   There has never been an armstice between them or a chance to heal.  

 

And in fairness to John Parisella, he seemed willing to acknowledge he made some mistakes and he apologized for them.  I don't get the impression Bernadette has ever taken ownership of her own failings the way John Parisella did.  She denies much of what Bethenny has claimed, where John basically owned everything Bethenny accused him of ever doing.  I think it is much easier to forgive a person who is willing to take responsibility for their mistakes than it is to forgive someone who denies your truth and minimizes the pain their choices caused you. 

 

Regarding the issue of abuse, it may actually be much harder for Bethenny to forgive her mother than it was her step-father because while John was violent, the reason Bethenny was even exposed to such things was because Bernadette chose to stay in that abusive relationship for so long.  So rather than the abuse her mother suffered being a reason Bethenny should forgive her, it may actually be part of the reason she can't so easily.  Bernadette essentially chose a relationship with an abusive man over her daughter's best interests.  I can see a person feeling that was a great betrayal and finding it hard to get over.

[Crikey]

How weird that Bethenny forgives the abuser (stepfather) and not the abused (mother).  That's so bizarre to me.

I may be wrong but I don't remember her expressing empathy for the abuse that her mother suffered.  I thought she only saw the abuse from the perspective of her mother putting her (Bethy) in the craziness by marrying an abuser and keeping her there by not leaving the stepfather.  And, IMO she does not see it as a mother being abused but only as a child living  in the craziness, hence, (maybe) why she has no empathy for her mother.

Sometimes a child will blame such a mother because it was the mother's responsibility to protect the child.  

Feelings do not always follow a logical path.  JMO

 

I don't know if Bethy was telling the whole truth/exaggerating her childhood experiences.  She leans towards exaggeration so, it might be that she took a really crummy childhood and, over the years, layered it with exaggerations until she  believes it happened this/that way, who knows.

Edited June 24, 2015 by Crikey

[LilaFowler]

Anger issues. Needs meds.

[One Tough Cookie]

Anger issues. Needs meds.

 

 

I think she self medicates with uppers to keep being a skinny girl.  Her beyond rapid fire speech and overall jitters look to me to have a chemical origin.