Bethenny Frankel: Skinny Girl

[AnnA]

37 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

I’m sorry, too, AnnA, if I offended you. No disrespect on this end. Hug. 

Thank you.   Same here.

 No offense taken & no disrespect on this end either.

[[HUGS]] for everyone!

 

 

[film noire]

3 hours ago, AnnA said:

No one is in a position to or even capable of assigning a "level" to anyone's grief. 

I disagree (and our different perspectives aside, it's part of RHoNY, whether assigning a level to Carole's grief -- no worse than Sonja's divorce -- or Frankel talking about how alone she is to Jill, right outside the funeral home).  

39 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I don't remember Bethenny saying that she and Dennis were not in each other's lives before getting together. I remember her saying they were friends for years. Which also is what Dennis said in the interview days before his death. He said he and Bethenny met when they were both in college, and remained friends during his entire marriage to Jill. 

Thanks for the info (and if he said it, I'll assume it's true).  I thought Frankel had said (to rebuff the accusations they were cheating)  that she'd lost touch with him, but they had a circle of mutual friends -- but if she stayed in touch with Dennis over the years (and not his wife) then Jill's dislike of Frankel makes so much more sense. No wonder she didn't want Frankel at the funeral. 

eta: You were absolutely right, User --  they stayed in touch, and Shields had a crush on her for years:

5. He's Known Bethenny For a While: While this relationship may seem fairly new to all of us, the foundation of this friendship has been building for quite some time. A source told Page Six in February, "Bethenny and Dennis have been friends for 27 years—and she did throw him a birthday party." A source also said, "Bethenny and Dennis' soon-to-be-ex-wife have a long history" and that "he's had feelings for Bethenny for a long time." 

I don't think can you break up a happy marriage (and I don't think they were cheating) but the tension between Jill Shields and Frankel makes much more sense now -- what a sticky mess that fucker made of his relationships.

Edited September 24, 2018 by film noire

[Rap541]

But... WHORES! PORN! WHORES DOING WATERBED PORN!!!

<iz riled>

<may need more adorable kitten photos>

[AnnA]

1 minute ago, film noire said:

I disagree (and our different perspectives aside, it's part of RHoNY, whether assigning a level to Carole's grief -- no worse than Sonja's divorce -- or Frankel talking about how alone she is to Jill, right outside the funeral home).  

 

I disagree and cannot accept that it's even possible.

In your scenario who gets to assign these arbitrary levels of grief on RHONY?   Andy?

[Rap541]

1 minute ago, film noire said:

but if she stayed in touch with Dennis over the years (and not his wife) then Jill's dislike of Frankel makes so much more sense. No wonder she didn't want Frankel at the funeral.

But I thought they had a lovely marriage and were only separated due to the drugs? And Dennis was madly in love with Jill so being separated for years and having sex with and a public relationship with Bethenny was Dennis expressing how Jill was the love of his life and vice versa?

I mean, if the marriage was strong then I don't see why Jill would be offended by Dennis keeping in touch with female friends who he knew his whole life. Or was this a Mike Pence sort of marriage? Because if so, thats really at odds with Dennis dating Bethenny....

[AnnA]

6 minutes ago, Rap541 said:

 

<may need more adorable kitten photos>

 

[Rap541]

Its like... they're staring into my soul....

<melts>

[film noire]

9 minutes ago, AnnA said:

In your scenario who gets to assign these arbitrary levels of grief on RHONY?   Andy?

God forbid :) No, I'm talking about the discussion in the forum, which constantly assigns levels to everybody's grief and losses, whenever the housewives bring it up on the show (Carole's grief over Anthony's death is no worse than Sonja's over the divorce; Bethenny's comment about how at least with  death,  the person you divorced isn't walking around in the world, etc etc).

Edited September 24, 2018 by film noire

[ShawnaLanne]

Just now, film noire said:

God forbid :) No, I'm talking about the discussion in the forum constantly assigns levels to everybody's grief and losses, whenever the housewives bring it up on the show (Carole's grief over Anthony's death is no worse than Sonja's over the divorce; Bethenny's comment about how at least with  death,  the person you divorced isn't walking around in the world, etc etc).

I have this to say about grief and pain. There is always someone who will have had it "better" or "worse" than you. But we all experience grief and pain in our own ways. Arguing that one is better or worse than another  is a waste of energy. Pain is pain. 

What gets me is when people like Carole and Dorinda make it into a contest, with themselves as the "winners." It makes me lose compassion and respect for them. 

[AnnA]

8 minutes ago, film noire said:

God forbid :) No, I'm talking about the discussion in the forum, which constantly assigns levels to everybody's grief and losses, whenever the housewives bring it up on the show (Carole's grief over Anthony's death is no worse than Sonja's over the divorce; Bethenny's comment about how at least with  death,  the person you divorced isn't walking around in the world, etc etc).

 

Ha Ha!  That's so funny!   No wonder I was all WTF?  LOL

I skip over those conversations because I think it's impossible for anyone to really know how someone else feels.

Edited September 24, 2018 by AnnA

[UsernameFatigue]

19 minutes ago, film noire said:

I disagree (and our different perspectives aside, it's part of RHoNY, whether assigning a level to Carole's grief -- no worse than Sonja's divorce -- or Frankel talking about how alone she is to Jill, right outside the funeral home).  

Thanks for the info (and if he said it, I'll assume it's true).  I thought Frankel had said (to rebuff the accusations they were cheating)  that she'd lost touch with him, but they had a circle of mutual friends -- but if she stayed in touch with Dennis over the years (and not his wife) then Jill's dislike of Frankel makes so much more sense. No wonder she didn't want Frankel at the funeral.

How juvenile. My husband and I were friends for years before we started going out. We might go a year or two without seeing each other, and would then just pick up where we left off. As friends do. We both have life long friends of the opposite sex that we still keep in touch with. One would have to be pretty insecure to expect/demand that our significant other cease contact with someone that they were friends with before. 

As far as Jill not wanting Beth at the funeral, did she send out a missive? Or is that just one more thing that people are assuming/attributing to Jill? I am sure she could have easily kept Beth out if she had wanted to. 

[film noire]

42 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

Arguing that one is better or worse than another  is a waste of energy. Pain is pain. 

Not better or worse, but the level of burden being endured (and I get why some people might find that a waste of energy, but in my experience, it hasn't been  - it  taught me to look up from my own shit).

38 minutes ago, AnnA said:

No wonder I was all WTF? 

"WTF is film noire saying? Andy Cohen is now the moral center of the universe? WE'RE SCREWED PEOPLE, SCREWED!"

 : )

Edited September 24, 2018 by film noire

[smores]

Right, pain is pain.  I don't get how anyone could come up with some sort of spectrum where you figure out how someone "should" feel in the case of a death.  Who then gets to police it?  "I'm sorry, I know that your father died, but based on the fact that you weren't actually that close, you had a good relationship with your stepfather, and you hadn't spoken in at least 3 months, you're only allowed to grieve at a 6.  Right now, you're exhibiting a level 9 grief so we're going to need you to reign it in, ma'am"

And then what if you were super, super close to your father, but they had a really long battle with cancer and you were right there with them every day?  You saw them struggle and you actually felt relief when they died?  Does that person get judged because they SHOULD feel grief at a 9, but are only appearing to grieve at a 3?  

[smores]

10 minutes ago, film noire said:

Not better or worse, but the level of burden being endured (and I get why some people might find that a waste of energy, but in my experience, it hasn't been  - it  taught me to look up from my own shit).

I generally try to look at everything in my own life as "someone has it better than me, someone has it worse" No matter how good things are for me, of course someone has it better.  But, the reverse is true, as horrible as something is, no matter how devastated I feel, I am blessed that I have more in that moment than someone else.  Using Carol, for example, of course it was horrific to watch her husband die of cancer just a week after losing their 2 close friends, that is a complete tragedy for anyone.  Period.  But, she was uniquely positioned in a way that she was able to take time off of work to heal, and didn't have to worry about how she was going to support herself or where she would live tomorrow, or how she'd pay to bury her husband.  There are people who have been in her shoes and have had those burdens on top of the tragedy, so, yes, it's unspeakably awful, but, it could, technically have been worse.  (That is not to say that I think she did anything wrong with her grief, I just felt this was a good example of how I try to frame my own life)

[film noire]

59 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

 We both have life long friends of the opposite sex that we still keep in touch with. One would have to be pretty insecure to expect/demand that our significant other cease contact with someone that they were friends with before. 

But have your husband's friends ignored you for 25 years?

"The duo first met about 28 years ago when he dated (and later married) Jill, one of her high school friends. Though she did not stay in touch with her classmate (“We’ve spoken three times in 25 years,” she previously told PEOPLE), Frankel and Shields shared other mutual pals and began dating in 2016, several months after he separated from his wife."

https://people.com/tv/bethenny-frankel-on-off-boyfriend-dennis-shields-found-dead/

I would find it very weird if one of my husband's longstanding friends ignored me for 25 years while socializing with my husband -- I'm wondering if this shit goes back to high school? (b/c  I'm assuming they had no contact by mutual agreement/dislike, and not Frankel just ignoring Dennis's wife for no reason, or Jill doing the same. Sounds like mutual antipathy.) 

Edited September 25, 2018 by film noire

[Rap541]

I think you're extrapolating "ignored". They weren't in constant contact, they spoke to use Bethenny's words "three times" - but they may simply not have crossed paths often, which makes sense considering their career paths. "Ignored" makes it sound like they were at the same parties etc and they were pointedly snubbing each other.

[hoodooznoodooz]

On 9/23/2018 at 7:45 PM, Rap541 said:

Hhehehe nicely put, WalnutQueen.

Nothing makes me think two people love each other like how they fuck other people. I mean seriously, Dennis was a shitheel when he was alive and a married man fucking Bethenny but now that he's dead, he and Jill loved each other deeply even as he banged other whores and thats a great marriage! Seriously, the flip flop from shitstain loan shark betraying his wife openly for two years by dating Bethenny, to loving husband *married and in life long love* with Jill (who also has her own little side piece) is amazing.

I think as far as Bethenny went, Dennis was a close friend with benefits and they maybe flirted with more but I rather doubt the proposal stories that went around.

Apologies, @walnutqueen. I guess I made a bad joke because rap541 posted the above. I definitely don’t think people who F are whores. 

[SuprSuprElevated]

Be sure to read the comment, lol.

[hoodooznoodooz]

16 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

Be sure to read the comment, lol.

Geez!

[Rosiejuliemom]

30 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

Be sure to read the comment, lol.

I'd consider paying 17.99 for some of those jeans.

Cheaper than my Levi's!

The chihuahua hem ones, though, can fuck right off.

[SuprSuprElevated]

Just now, Rosiejuliemom said:

I'd consider paying 17.99 for some of those jeans.

Cheaper than my Levi's!

The chihuahua hem ones, though, can fuck right off.

lol

[walnutqueen]

4 hours ago, Rap541 said:

THATS WHAT MY MOMMA SAYS! >:O

ARE YOU SHITTING ON MY MOMMA'S SAYINS'???

(is about to throw down)

(suspects WalnutQueen is the sort of slutty T-Rex who does the porn on waterbeds)

wq did unspeakable slutty things, sometimes on a waterbed, (under a sparkly stalactite ceiling) back in the day.  But she won't be sporting Beth jeans - ever.  Like Donald Duck. wq is pantless.

 

3 hours ago, Rap541 said:

But... WHORES! PORN! WHORES DOING WATERBED PORN!!!

<iz riled>

<may need more adorable kitten photos>

Kittens on a waterbed ...

 

1 hour ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Apologies, @walnutqueen. I guess I made a bad joke because rap541 posted the above. I definitely don’t think people who F are whores. 

Lurve means never having to say you're sorry (only "sorry" has to  be said in a Canadian accent, eh!).  And I'd be flattered to be called a whore!   Seriously.   :-)

[Rap541]

<glares at WalnutQueen> WHORE! HOW DARE YOU SULLY KITTENS WITH YOUR SLUT PORN!!!

But honestly Beth's jeans aren't my thing either....

[Rosiejuliemom]

33 minutes ago, walnutqueen said:

under a sparkly stalactite ceiling

I was about to deem this unforgivable, until I realized that it isn't the same thing as a popcorn ceiling.

I hate to take you away from your sluttin' time, WQ, but I do have a question. If one were to engage in sexual relations on a waterbed, would Dramamine be necessary if one is prone to motion sickness?

[hoodooznoodooz]

44 minutes ago, walnutqueen said:

wq did unspeakable slutty things, sometimes on a waterbed, (under a sparkly stalactite ceiling) back in the day.  But she won't be sporting Beth jeans - ever.  Like Donald Duck. wq is pantless.

 

Kittens on a waterbed ...

 

Lurve means never having to say you're sorry (only "sorry" has to  be said in a Canadian accent, eh!).  And I'd be flattered to be called a whore!   Seriously.   :-)

Thank you, walnutqueen!

No pants! Hee!

[walnutqueen]

35 minutes ago, Rap541 said:

<glares at WalnutQueen> WHORE! HOW DARE YOU SULLY KITTENS WITH YOUR SLUT PORN!!!

But honestly Beth's jeans aren't my thing either....

Ki-ens knead the waterbed, and have an unseemly interest in huumans doing the sexy beast thereupon.  Hell yes, I DARE (or did, in a former SLUT life!!!)

 

1 minute ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

I was about to deem this unforgivable, until I realized that it isn't the same thing as a popcorn ceiling.

I hate to take you away from your sluttin' time, WQ, but I do have a question. If one were to engage in sexual relations on a waterbed, would Dramamine be necessary if one is prone to motion sickness?

Nope.  Patches are for pussies.  ;-)  Just close your eyes and think of England.

[Rosiejuliemom]

1 minute ago, walnutqueen said:

Nope.  Patches are for pussies.  ;-)  Just close your eyes and think of England.

God Save the Qu...BLEAURGH

*splash* 

[walnutqueen]

1 minute ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

God Save the Qu...BLEAURGH

*splash* 

Is that the sound of regurgitation?  If so, my work here is done.

[Rosiejuliemom]

2 minutes ago, walnutqueen said:

Is that the sound of regurgitation?  If so, my work here is done.

Well shit.

Now I'm afraid that you're going to ride off into the sunset, never to be seen again.

[breezy424]

So, on another subject, has Beth been back to North Carolina?  #thisisacrisis. 

[walnutqueen]

8 minutes ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

Well shit.

Now I'm afraid that you're going to ride off into the sunset, never to be seen again.

Never seen, all too often heard.   Or read.  

Sunsets (and sunrises) are MY jam.

[breezy424]

I don't know who is grieving more but I do know that Dennis's death is a much tougher situation for Jill because she is the mother of his four children and she has been the one left to deal with that. 

The fact is that Jill and Dennis stopped living together.  The fact is that neither filed for divorce or legal separation.  The fact is that Dennis was addicted to opiods.  Jill obviously knew that.  So, maybe this was the cause of the separation.  According to Jill, they spoke every day.  They saw one another.

The fact is that Dennis had a relationship with Beth.  The fact is if Dennis was so in love with Beth, why didn't he take legal action to end his marriage?  The fact is that Dennis and Beth's relationship was on and off.  The fact is that Beth was a bit delusional to conclude that they would be together when some obstacles were overcome.  Dennis didn't do anything to end his marriage, no less his addiction. 

No matter what, Beth likes the use of the word 'current'.  Carole's whole career doesn't count because it's not her current career.  Jill and Dennis's relationship doesn't count because of their current situation.  But....Beth and Dennis's relationship, IIRC, was not 'on' currently but that doesn't matter in Beth's mind.  Her grief is worse. 

[Rap541]

1 minute ago, breezy424 said:

The fact is that Jill and Dennis stopped living together.  The fact is that neither filed for divorce or legal separation.  The fact is that Dennis was addicted to opiods.  Jill obviously knew that.  So, maybe this was the cause of the separation.  According to Jill, they spoke every day.  They saw one another.

Did they double date with Jill's boyfriend?

I don't mean to be flip but honestly this tale of a love that transcended all seems a bit oversold when the reality that Dennis and Jill both were dating other people. 

5 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

The fact is if Dennis was so in love with Beth, why didn't he take legal action to end his marriage?  The fact is that Dennis and Beth's relationship was on and off.  The fact is that Beth was a bit delusional to conclude that they would be together when some obstacles were overcome. 

So he was still married but separated, and Bethenny... saw that as an obstacle and thats delusional? I actually thought that was a valid reason for her to take a break with Dennis

 

8 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

Jill and Dennis's relationship doesn't count because of their current situation. 

Which is not actually something that Bethenny has said. Bethenny has said that it hurts to lose someone she was in a current relationship with - she has not made any judgement about Jill's relationship with Dennis. 

Now was she overstating since she and Dennis were "on a break" when he died? Sure. Is Jill overstating her relationship with Dennis? Yes, a bit. 

Dennis and Jill weren't happily married. They were separated and pursuing other partners. That doesn't mean Jill doesn't get to grieve or any silliness like that but really, as lovely as it is that she has someone close to share her grief with, I can't be the only one  noting that not every grieving widow gets to have her boyfriend at her side as she mourns the love of her life, and questioning just how happily married and willing to be at Dennis's side she really was. I mean, 2+ years and a new partner doesn't scream "we were about to redo the wedding".

[smores]

59 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

I don't know who is grieving more but I do know that Dennis's death is a much tougher situation for Jill because she is the mother of his four children and she has been the one left to deal with that. 

Good to know.  So, my biofather's death was a bigger situation for my mother than for his most recent girlfriend because he and my mother had kids together?  And, obviously, my mother had to deal with us?  That's the criteria for who wins in the grief-off?  Or should it be the grief Olympics? griefathalon?

[Rap541]

One could argue that Jill is the lucky one as she has her teen and adult children to help her with her grief. I find it hilarious that Jill's children are spoken of as tho they are wide eyed little toddlers looking up at Jill going "Mama, where dada? Why did dada go 'way?" I mean, the youngest is what, fifteen? And the oldest is mid twenties - I'm certainly not saying they aren't grieving, but they are certainly of an age to navigate the situation without Jill exhausting herself with their grief needs, and in fact are likely a source of support to Jill. While Bethenny is now alone except for her genuinely young child Bryn.

Smores, I thought Carole was the designated winner of the grief Olympics :)

[smores]

Well, she was obviously a lock with the Polish judges, but, the Russian judges thought her floor routine was a bit sloppy, so, she didn't get perfect 10s.  Sadly, Carole isn't getting the pee-tape gold in the grief Olympics :(

[Happy Camper]

I suppose that when you aspire to be the winner of the  Real Housewives awards you can finally show your family that you have really made it. Way to go, Bethenny. Bernadette will have something to brag about. Oh and Bryn as well.  Okay,  I will vote for you. Hopefully you may wear that title with pride. A Real Housewife!

Maybe you will win the Real Housewives Lifetime Achievement Award like Ramona and Vicki G.

Life Goals. 

 

Edited September 25, 2018 by Happy Camper

[OldButHappy]

9 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

Sooo - those of us who have fucked, are whores.  Gotcha.

Unless you live in New Jersey...in which case you are a PROSTITUTION WHORE!!

(I actually hate the word "whore", but I couldn't resist!)

[hoodooznoodooz]

On 9/24/2018 at 1:11 PM, AnnA said:

I have to admit that there's often something I don't understand in many posts.   For example, I have no idea what Dennis  "shooting diamonds" means.   I also don't understand why Bethenny's boobs are "bolt-ons" but Ramona's giant flotation devices are not.   I think Bethenny looks really good.

 

I think in Season 9, at the Berkshires, Beth and Carole were wondering how Tom could be so appealing to Lu, Sonja, Ramona, Missy, the woman Tom was on a date with when Lu stepped up to the plate, the Christmas bracelet recipient ex, etc. Beth jokes that his P must shoot diamonds. So because another poster mentioned how dating Dennis was not ideal (still married to Jill, four kids, addict, still attending Springsteen concerts with Jill) and being married to Dennis was not ideal (openly on-off dating a reality TV cast member, addict), I speculated that maybe his P shot diamonds, and this made Dennis attractive. 

Beth looks fantastic. She has a terrific body. However, in my opinion, her bolt-ons often do not look natural. Usually, women have more of a gentle breast sag. Sometimes, Beth’s defy gravity. They resemble two grapefruit halves. She also would benefit from switching to one to 1.5 sizes smaller. 

Lastly, in some outfits, you can see a wrinkle/fold between her breasts. It looks like one breast is lifted/supported (by her “brar” or top) and the other is not, and this creates the wrinkle/fold. 

Maybe that is why it looks like there is extra space between her breasts. 

Edited September 26, 2018 by hoodooznoodooz

[walnutqueen]

3 hours ago, OldButHappy said:

Unless you live in New Jersey...in which case you are a PROSTITUTION WHORE!!

(I actually hate the word "whore", but I couldn't resist!)

You'd better be flippin' a table when you call me that.

AND - I've never been engaged, much less NINETEEN TIMES!!!

So, do prostitution whores get paid?  'Cause I missed that sailboat, and gave it away ...

[bagger]

3 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

 

So, do prostitution whores get paid?  'Cause I missed that sailboat, and gave it away ...

Didn’t we all?

[AnnA]

12 hours ago, Rap541 said:

Did they double date with Jill's boyfriend?

I don't mean to be flip but honestly this tale of a love that transcended all seems a bit oversold when the reality that Dennis and Jill both were dating other people. 

So he was still married but separated, and Bethenny... saw that as an obstacle and thats delusional? I actually thought that was a valid reason for her to take a break with Dennis

 

Which is not actually something that Bethenny has said. Bethenny has said that it hurts to lose someone she was in a current relationship with - she has not made any judgement about Jill's relationship with Dennis. 

Now was she overstating since she and Dennis were "on a break" when he died? Sure. Is Jill overstating her relationship with Dennis? Yes, a bit. 

Dennis and Jill weren't happily married. They were separated and pursuing other partners. That doesn't mean Jill doesn't get to grieve or any silliness like that but really, as lovely as it is that she has someone close to share her grief with, I can't be the only one  noting that not every grieving widow gets to have her boyfriend at her side as she mourns the love of her life, and questioning just how happily married and willing to be at Dennis's side she really was. I mean, 2+ years and a new partner doesn't scream "we were about to redo the wedding".

There is no way for anyone to know what Jill is feeling.  We're all assuming that she is grieving Dennis's death and she probably is.

I know divorced women who were so pissed at their husbands for leaving them that they hoped they'd get struck by lightening or hit by a truck.   Please don't misunderstand this.  I'm not saying this is true for Jill but it is possible and it does happen.

ETA:  Usually that's not something they tell their children (or anyone) but that happens too.

Edited September 25, 2018 by AnnA

[walnutqueen]

2 hours ago, bagger said:

Didn’t we all?

Apparently so, since we're mostly sitting on satchels of gold and can't afford a walk-up in NYC.

[Rap541]

I think Jill is definitely publically projecting the idea that she's the grieving widow. I've definitely spoken to enough "grieving" people to know it can go in another direction. One time at ye olde credit card company, I get a call:

"My husband has died. I need to close his card."

I immediately do the "Oh, I'm so sorry hear about your loss" standard issue response.

She cuts me off with this. "You can stop faking it. I'm glad he's dead. I wish I'd been the one to do it and once this is done, the kids and I are celebrating with a trip to Disneyland without that bastard. The best part is that the dumb mother fucker never changed his will so I get all the insurance money instead of his little whore"

So... sometimes things aren't always as they appear. Because there is a public aspect to Dennis's death, I really can't see Jill making any public comment that isn't a loving and complimentary ode to Dennis. What I look for is comment BEFORE he died on how Jill considered Dennis the love of her life etc etc etc and it's not there. And yes, they were married for 20+ years and had kids and that doesn't mean they were happy (If you need an example, check out TLC's Little People Big World for a marriage with kids that stays together for 25 and the last ten were pretty fucking miserable) Considering the age of the youngest child - what, 14-16?  They may very well have stayed officially married but separated "for the children" but were otherwise living separate lives. 

They had separate homes, they had separate partners. They hadn't lived together for years. Jill has every right to her grief but I do wonder, especially considering the drug use and the public dating by Dennis, if some of her "HE WAS THE LOVE OF MY LIFE" isn't due to some underlying relief on her part that she no longer has to deal with his problems. 

And whether she wanted to get back with Dennis or not, I don't know many separated or divorced women who want to be besties with the woman their husband dates in place of them so I totally understand her need to push the fact that she was the  loving wife.

I just question the narrative when the loving wife has a boyfriend. Did Jill's boyfriend escort her and her so very young children to the funeral?

[njbchlover]

15 hours ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

Be sure to read the comment, lol.

Wonder if  Sonja will trash these jeans to Bethenny's face the same way she commented about Luann's clothing line on the home shopping network, by saying that these jeans "are for the masses, not the classes".....(or whatever it was she said)!  And, for $17.99, if the fit is right, I'd buy them - as I would any jeans that fit me right!  Guess I need to get to Costco soon!  :-)

[Mindthinkr]

16 hours ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

Be sure to read the comment, lol.

 Does anyone know the size ranges? 

Edited September 25, 2018 by Mindthinkr

[Luciano]

I don't know where to put it exactly, but Tinsley showed up in Bethenny's IG story. I'd like to see them get along.

[hoodooznoodooz]

On 9/25/2018 at 2:00 PM, Mindthinkr said:

 Does anyone know the size ranges? 

 

Skeletal to take-out-a-second-mortgage plus-sizes requiring extra yardage (JK; I have worn plus sizes).

Edited September 30, 2018 by hoodooznoodooz

[chick binewski]

On 9/24/2018 at 6:38 PM, film noire said:

eta: You were absolutely right, User --  they stayed in touch, and Shields had a crush on her for years:

5. He's Known Bethenny For a While: While this relationship may seem fairly new to all of us, the foundation of this friendship has been building for quite some time. A source told Page Six in February, "Bethenny and Dennis have been friends for 27 years—and she did throw him a birthday party." A source also said, "Bethenny and Dennis' soon-to-be-ex-wife have a long history" and that "he's had feelings for Bethenny for a long time." 

 

 

On 9/24/2018 at 7:32 PM, film noire said:

I would find it very weird if one of my husband's longstanding friends ignored me for 25 years while socializing with my husband -- I'm wondering if this shit goes back to high school? (b/c  I'm assuming they had no contact by mutual agreement/dislike, and not Frankel just ignoring Dennis's wife for no reason, or Jill doing the same. Sounds like mutual antipathy.) 

 

 

On 9/24/2018 at 12:01 PM, hoodooznoodooz said:

For me, it was Jill Shields posting something loving about Dennis on their anniversary. 

Beth posted on the same day, after Jill’s post, that because her relationship with Dennis was current, Beth’s grief or pain was more raw. 

So, in my opinion, because of the word “current,” Beth made the choice to turn it into a competition.  

Bethenny's first mention of Dennis on RHNY was that he was very much in love with Bethenny and wanted to marry her. I found the statements odd once we found out Dennis was married. Whatever understanding Dennis & his wife may have had, nothing can be taken for granted in a divorce case so why declare on national television that the husband of a former acquaintance is in love with you? 

 

I don't get why Dennis' wife is getting a lot of heat here. Bethenny made the 90-day statement on the show, she was on dating sites and pursuing red scarf guy. Bethenny has also tied Dennis to her own weight loss, charity and skinny girl jeans since his death. I'm not taking a measurement of grief here but questioning what looks like a weird usurping of position and a tone that this death was something that happened to Bethenny only. 

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22 hours ago, smores said:

Good to know.  So, my biofather's death was a bigger situation for my mother than for his most recent girlfriend because he and my mother had kids together?  And, obviously, my mother had to deal with us?  That's the criteria for who wins in the grief-off?  Or should it be the grief Olympics? griefathalon?

I stated that I didn't know who was grieving more so how does that turn into 'the grief-off'?  Grief Olympics?  Griefathon?

I also stated that it was a tougher situation for Dennis's wife because of the children.  That has nothing to do with what grief Jill is feeling.  It has to do with dealing with her children's loss and grief.  Not hers.  And yes, I totally am aware that these children are not little children.  Most of them are young adults but none the less, most children this age don't expect to suddenly lose their father.  And him apparently dying of an overdose has to hit especially hard.