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Lori just bugs me. And the guy from the red team who said the quarterback saved him. Are there more contestants this year than usual? I hardly know anyone's name.

Maybe it's just that I don't care about it any more. I admit freely that I usually watched because of Jillian. That's probably part of it. The other part is there's no new format, nothing fresh at all. Everyone cries. Everyone competes in a challenge. Everyone has Last. Chance. Workout! Then someone goes home. Someone that I don't know or care about because the whole thing is stale and contrived.

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Why did they keep Lori. Same ole, same ole thing. Why do they have to try to turn the contestants into athletes. And yes, lets remind ourselves of what we use to look like and whine and complain about how my life was so peachy keen back then. Seriously...

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The trainers response to the food that they had to eat was so over the top. I get it, you normally don't eat that stuff, but it really wasn't that bad. A bacon cheeseburger tastes darn fine and is really, beef and bread. In moderation, a bacon cheeseburger is not horrible for you. The monster size we eat is not the best but for someone who works out regularly, a bacon cheeseburger is just fine. The egg rolls are small in quantity and for the most part good for you. Just stop with the kvetching, really. uggggghhhhhhh

 

I feel sorry for blue coach. He ended up with the people who could not get their trainer of first choice, Dolvett the known entity and the female trainer who is hot. I can't remember the new trainers names. To be frank, they are boring and not all that inspiring. Female new trainer ended up with the men who are in better shape, well for this show, because she is hot. I don't think they are winning because of her, I think it is pure selection bias. The fittest folks choose the trainers, every one else ended up with Blue Trainer.

 

Bob is much more tolerable in his current role. Mainly because it is impossible for him to end up with a group cult following.

 

But, yeah, I miss Jillian. The new trainers are boring and bland. They lack any real intensity. Dolvett is the quiet intense that I love. Jillian and Bob were intense. New trainers are preaching love and I have no idea what. But the results are not impressive.

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I am starting to cringe everytime they show Blake speaking. She seems really ditzy and I am just finding her more and more annoying, even by teenage girl standards of annoying.

 

That congealed fat and cheese on all the food in the challenge was disgusting. And I knew pecan pie was superhigh in calories, but I thought it was around 700 calories.. 920 calories? Really??? Jillian was funny during these kinds of challenges because she made no secret of how angry she was whether she had to eat the food or her team did. But especially when she had to eat the food, lol. 

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I am starting to cringe everytime they show Blake speaking. She seems really ditzy and I am just finding her more and more annoying, even by teenage girl standards of annoying.

I know - no matter what she's responding to, her reaction is always "eeeeeEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!" 

 

Also: The trainer's take on "baked ziti" was ridiculous - unless I missed it, it WASN'T BAKED.  If that was her take on Spaghetti-O's, or some other kind of stove top pasta, ok.  But these nutrition types that clearly know NOTHING about food drive me crazy.

 

ETA: I believe I spied pieces of American cheese applied on top.  That's just a big no.

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Well, I have NEVER been in the same shape as the trainers- BUT I ate super duper "clean" for almost four months.  When I decided to "cheat" and ate something that was not on my clean diet (which was high protein, low fat, low carb- tons of vegetables, protein and lean grass-fed meat) I felt physically ill.  Even Dolvett said he was feeling lethargic and not well.  Yes, it seemed over the top but I understood that.  Plus, Dolvett ate the most of all coaches.  Also they've worked really hard to get where they are and stay where they are.  I would be mad too if I was being forced to eat all of that crap if I really didn't want to.

 

I FF so much of this show.  All of the sob stories, all of the letters from home, etc.  I only care about the work outs, challenges and weigh ins. 

 

I thought for sure the white team had water loaded because they felt safe with the 6 lb advantage.  They still could have, but I was surprised at the low numbers from pretty much everyone.

 

I liked the bike challenge and I liked that Jen had a well-thought out strategy that actually worked for the team.

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Do they deliberately cast people who are overly emotional? Cause, watching a bunch of overweight people sit around and cry, is not my definition of destination TV.

 

There is more often than not an emotional component to obesity. You don't get to be 100+ pounds simply from a love of Ding Dongs and Doritos. Plus, when they see the progress, that is probably very emotional for them. 

Andrea is starting to look really good. She is now within 50 - 60 pounds of her goal weight, I bet.

 

Scott is a rock star. I am liking him more and more every week. Him and Damian.

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The monster size we eat is not the best but for someone who works out regularly, a bacon cheeseburger is just fine. The egg rolls are small in quantity and for the most part good for you. Just stop with the kvetching, really. uggggghhhhhhh

I'm sure the trainers are accustomed to eating a consistent diet. Throwing in something like a bacon cheeseburger would require a major adjustment to what else is eaten for a while to compensate.

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I'm on Team Shenanigans about the trainers' burger outrage. Most trainers advocate/participate in a cheat meal (some even a cheat day) once a week. And quite a few trainers espouse a "if it fits your calories/macros" approach to dieting, so I don't buy that it was such a task for them to eat a burger and a soda, not even a large one like that. 

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While I'm glad that Blake is there to nip this weight in the bud, she is so immature and annoying.  I'm an olderish person and really hate watching shows with teens and early twenty somethings on them.  Lori is extremely winey.  Get over it Lori!  I'm kinda surprised she wasn't voted out.

 

I just want to add that I never have a cheat day.  This new way of eating IS my lifestyle.  I'm sure that if I were to try to eat a bacon cheeseburger now, I'd probably throw up or at the very least have a stomach ache.

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Can someone put Prozac in Lori's water bottle?  God is that woman depressed.  I hope she is being treated medically for depression. I hate to think that she's just the girl who cries and cries for home at summer camp and whose parents had to schlep back a week later to come and get her.  I always hated that girl.

 

The NFL quarterback--I don't like him. I don't like his face, he is smug.  So he's the leader now?  Alright buddy. He's talking about his wife and 5 kids, but I thought he was the one who had a girlfriend for 10 years and was about to leave him because he wasn't a model anymore?  help here.

 

The 18 year old will look just like a combo of Paris Hilton and Ivanka Trump if/when she loses weight.  Pretty girl.

 

I mean really, how much does the trainer really have to do with how much one loses?  I don't see it that way.

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Did anyone else get gaydar from 40-year-old virgin Sonya?

I didn't notice anything about Sonya other than she put her head down and worked like the little train that could,  and I admired her drive and no drama attitude.   Then she had to bust out the 40yo virgin sob story.    Oh Sonya, I liked you, but now I cannot look at you.  

 

I do think she'll go far, and that she will make a huge transformation.   

 

The older guy is consistently losing weight because he has a very good physique under the fat-Contrast his underlying musculature with the NFL quarterback-Older guy is genetically muscular, and that helps with calorie burn.  NFL guy is just flabby.   Some people are born with athletic bodies, and some have to work for them.  The other NFL guy is an example of underlying muscle that's probably natural to his body.

 

I do snicker when they show someone with the title "High school basketball captain"  after "NFL quarterback/lineman".    it's not the same, show.     Though cheerleader Andrea probably had a fairly high fitness level in her day, as opposed to the other cheerleader who I think is cross eyed?   Sorry,   I don't know many names yet. 

 

Lori makes me want to not bathe for three days, and listen to Nirvana albums non stop while writing fatalistic poetry no one wants to read.   She's too much of a Debbie Downer.    It that's her version of being passionate,  I'd hate to see the opposite.    She's depressing and somewhat repugnant to watch.

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I've lost 26 lbs in 10 weeks and I have my cheat day once a week. I just know from experience, that I have to be able to make room in my diet for certain foods. I don't want a healthy version of pizza. I want NY thin crust tons of cheese (though I will take a napkin to the pepperoni) and I want ribs and sometimes I even want a burger. But It's gotta be a good burger. Because, yeah, most of my weight issue is because I like tasty food.

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Instead of demonizing food, they could have explained how many calories were in the bacon cheeseburger,  and a better option would be say, a 4 oz burger instead of 8,  leaving the bacon off,  using half a slice of cheese,   and a small order of fries split between two people.   I was surprised to see an egg roll had almost 400 calories.  Those I can do without, but not the burger.  

 

Dolvett is cute and all, but I don't need him on a date buzz killing my blooming onion and lecturing me on the calorie content of beer night.   I'd rather have a healthy weight and a good physique and enjoy food.      I don't find ultra lean, muscular men that hot, and Jen looks a little too ripped, but good on her.   But her idea of baked Ziti was pretty lame.

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MuShu- Yeah, that was my biggest issue with the game, too. I don't like the idea of demonizing certain foods that these people clearly love to eat. I'd rather they discuss more of how to moderate and balance the fattening foods with healthier ones so that they don't feel like they have to deprive themselves of the pizza/pie/burgers/etc and don't have to feel like these neutered versions of their favorite recipes are their only option to losing weight.

 

Plus it's also rather misleading to say a slice of pecan pie is 900 calories (or whatever nebulous figure they came up with). A skilled chef could create a recipe at a similar size but a fraction of the calories and fat without it being a "healthy" version. Nuts are a high-calorie food and all, but I found some of the game's nutritional values to be a bit puzzling. Is there a tablespoon of sugar in that or two cups? It was just strange to me... calorie and macro content is so dependent on, you know, the specific ingredients and amounts they put into this dishes, the final figures could vary wildly.

 

But I'm not a regular viewer of BL, so maybe this episode I saw was a departure from how they normally approach food.

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I think the nutritional values were all listed on those cards they were studying, so it was really a quiz of how well they memorized or guessed. Just guessing would be tough, because there are too many variables. Not all pecan pie recipes are equal, not all eggs are cooked in butter, etc.

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The NFL quarterback--I don't like him. I don't like his face, he is smug. So he's the leader now? Alright buddy. He's talking about his wife and 5 kids, but I thought he was the one who had a girlfriend for 10 years and was about to leave him because he wasn't a model anymore? help here.

Scott (red team) is the former NFL quarterback, Mike (white team) is the former model with the long-term girlfriend. Edited by Princess Sparkle
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I think I'm out after the, "Mama had to fight dawgs for food," story.

Same ole same ole. How about something different? No deceased spouses, no miscarriages And you want to lose weight to get pregnant again, no snotty teenagers, nothing like any of the crap we see every single season.

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Oh I missed the one about Mama fighting dawgs for food. Which one? Since I don't know most their names a physical description will do.

Teen blonde's problem is that she's large and her mother is not. Made mama nag her which made teen blonde eat. You are welcome, Dolvett.

The former contestant as a fitness trainer, the chicken little looking one? Sorry, even Planet Fitness wouldn't hire the poor kid for real.

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As far as the bad food and fitting it in to your calorie allotment, I think one thing that is being forgotten is that a lot of the crappy food they were showing could be trigger food for some of these contestants..food that will very likely trigger a binge if they have any.  In that case, they should avoid it entirely while trying to lose weight, or at least until a good amount of time passes and they get to a point where they aren't craving it as much anymore when they see it or smell it. It will be easier to control themselves then. I don't think that's deprivation, or teaching people to avoid crappy food altogether, but high fat, high sugar food does feed cravings.

 

Weirdly, one of my trigger foods is Friendship 1% no-salt cottage cheese. I will sit there and eat the entire container if it's around.  I'm 45, my appetite is apparently 83.


Plus it's also rather misleading to say a slice of pecan pie is 900 calories (or whatever nebulous figure they came up with). A skilled chef could create a recipe at a similar size but a fraction of the calories and fat without it being a "healthy" version. Nuts are a high-calorie food and all, but I found some of the game's nutritional values to be a bit puzzling. Is there a tablespoon of sugar in that or two cups? It was just strange to me... calorie and macro content is so dependent on, you know, the specific ingredients and amounts they put into this dishes, the final figures could vary wildly.

 

 

Pecan pie notoriously has a LOT of sugar in it to make the filling.  At least one cup of it in most recipes (my aunt used to use two cups!!) plus corn syrup in a lot of cases. Before you even take into account the fat in the crust and the nuts.  You're right that recipes can be adjusted, but I don't think I have ever heard of pecan pie that came in at under 450 calories. Calorie quotes I have seen are around 500-700 calories. The 920 calorie count shocked me. 

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Oh I missed the one about Mama fighting dawgs for food. Which one? Since I don't know most their names a physical description will do.

Teen blonde's problem is that she's large and her mother is not. Made mama nag her which made teen blonde eat. You are welcome, Dolvett.

The former contestant as a fitness trainer, the chicken little looking one? Sorry, even Planet Fitness wouldn't hire the poor kid for real.

It was the new person with Bob at Comeback Canyon.

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Ah, got it,   The second string high school volley ball towel dispenser. 

 

ETA:   Sorry but I laughed when Chandra was up there giving her Big Speech.  Something about it's time to get on my back!    I will carry you all!   Ready???

 

Boom  -1.  

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Ah, and that preview.  You know this show hasn't changed at all when they try to prevent a Pagonging (yes, I know that's a Survivor reference but it's still the best term) by pulling out that "only one person's weight counts".  I'm sure if the producers were ever asked about this, they'd like and claim it was always pre-planned for that week, but I doubt it.  Since the White Team didn't actually lose that much weight this week, it's unlikely they'll do badly next week.  If the worst possible player for the whites gets picked out of a fishbowl, or whatever excuse they use to select the one person, then we'll definitely know something is up.

 

The thing is... I don't think they SHOULD fuck around--and not just because I hate manipulated shows.  Their best chance to gain traction for the new trainers would be for one of them to totally dominate the season.  Jen was on track to possibly managing that and if that was the case I'd actually have thought they'd WANT that.  It would put the Jillian question to bed for good if another female trainer actually managed to be popular with the fans--and dominating a season (and presumably winning too) would do that. 

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The trainers response to the food that they had to eat was so over the top. I get it, you normally don't eat that stuff, but it really wasn't that bad. A bacon cheeseburger tastes darn fine and is really, beef and bread. In moderation, a bacon cheeseburger is not horrible for you. The monster size we eat is not the best but for someone who works out regularly, a bacon cheeseburger is just fine. The egg rolls are small in quantity and for the most part good for you. Just stop with the kvetching, really. uggggghhhhhhh

 

I completely agree. Delurking to say, with all their bitching and moaning, though they couldn't voice it, I have a feeling the coaches enjoyed having a chance to eat some "forbidden foods." Why don't they believe in moderation? I know, when you're losing weight, you do have to be diligent; but, once the new routine is under control, an occasional juicy cheeseburger will do no harm. Inflexibility is what causes people to return to old habits, IMO.

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New to Previously TV (used to be on TWOP), but longtime TBL watcher. Had to create an account just to say how appalled I was at the fuss that Dolvett in particular threw about eating the junk food. Presumably this challenge was taking place in the morning (or no later than afternoon), since Ali then told them to hit the gym after. So even if Dolvett were strictly counting calories, he could eat lightly/skip a meal to make up for the extra food he ate - it didn't look to be more than about 1500 calories since he got to split the pie. One binge like that is by NO means going to wreck his physique! (Though I admit I'd be pissed if I had to eat crappy junk food that had been sitting under the lights for hours. If I'm going to go off diet, I want GOOD STUFF not reheated cafeteria crap. Not worth it.)

 

I just thought it set a really bad tone to make it seem like no one can EVER have that stuff, or even that you have to burn it off immediately after eating it. To me, that's kind of an eating disordered attitude rather than the "healthy lifestyle" the show espouses. (And yes, I do realize that they go against being healthy in the name of commercialism and drama a lot... but this seemed unnecessary.)

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Ah, got it,   The second string high school volley ball towel dispenser. 

 

ETA:   Sorry but I laughed when Chandra was up there giving her Big Speech.  Something about it's time to get on my back!    I will carry you all!   Ready???

 

Boom  -1.

Boom. Roasted. /Michael Scott

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As was mentioned before, I also have found it to be true that if I go a long time without consuming a type of food or beverage, it doesn't really sit well if I consume it. I have drunk mostly plain seltzer for the last fifteen years, if I drink regular soda, it tastes unnaturally sweet to me and not good. 

 

Although my diet right now is by no means great, and needs a huge overhaul, I typically do not eat fried food.  If/when I do, even if it is a form of tempura, I always, always regret it because it makes me feel almost physically ill shortly afterward. So I find it understandable that people who eat very cleanly most of the time, like these trainers, would be averse to eating this kind of stuff. It isn't petty, it likely does not taste good to them and probably makes them feel physically off when they do.

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Though I admit I'd be pissed if I had to eat crappy junk food that had been sitting under the lights for hours. If I'm going to go off diet, I want GOOD STUFF not reheated cafeteria crap.

The burger didn't quite look natural. They may have been using frozen microwavable foods. That kind of stuff can have additives that would account for Dolvett's symptoms.

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As was mentioned before, I also have found it to be true that if I go a long time without consuming a type of food or beverage, it doesn't really sit well if I consume it. I have drunk mostly plain seltzer for the last fifteen years, if I drink regular soda, it tastes unnaturally sweet to me and not good. 

 

Although my diet right now is by no means great, and needs a huge overhaul, I typically do not eat fried food.  If/when I do, even if it is a form of tempura, I always, always regret it because it makes me feel almost physically ill shortly afterward. So I find it understandable that people who eat very cleanly most of the time, like these trainers, would be averse to eating this kind of stuff. It isn't petty, it likely does not taste good to them and probably makes them feel physically off when they do.

 

Oh I definitely understand that. At risk of generalizing, though, I think the point that people were making about the burger shock is that most trainers DO eat less than healthy food. They've logged enough hours of exercise and proper portion control/nutrient consumption that they allow themselves to indulge in small doses on a regular basis. And they know that one bad meal is not going to push them off the wagon. They just are smart about moderating the amounts and frequency with which they consume things like a burger or a pecan pie.

 

I understand that for someone who's in the initial phases of a big weight loss program (like these contestants), they might have to be more mindful about splurges that could spiral out of control. I just think the trainer's reaction was unnecessary and feeds into this all-or-nothing mentality that isn't realistic for most people trying to maintain a healthy weight. It just sort of spoke to this illusion of "good" foods vs. "bad" foods, which I personally don't think is a great way to help the contestants make educated choices down the line. Especially when some of the contestants were salivating over the food, I just thought, "Dolvett, eat the damn burger and don't make a production out of it."

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Rob (the guy that had the tantrum in Dr Death's office last week) creeps me out. Did you see his face when his team lost the food challenge? Good thing there were no knives around or he might have stabbed someone. That guy has anger issues.

Didn't need to hear that Sonya was a virgin. Really. TMI.

Do we have to hear EVERY week Bob explain Comeback Canyon, or whatever that is called. We get it, you don't have to show him explaining the rules every single week.

And doesn't the new person to Comeback Canyon have the advantage? They are presumably coming off of a poor weight loss week, hence why they were eliminated. The other competitor just came off a high loss week because they are still there. It would be funny if every new Canyon-er beat out the previous one. If that was the case, they would have to change the game next year.

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Mu Shu, I don't know the BL cheerleaders from one another, but my high school cheerleaders (1981) did not do more than step side to side & clap. Seriously, I don't even think they cart- wheeled. Unlike today's cheerleaders, who seem to be much more athletic.

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And chicken little previous BL contestant, who just "walked in Planet Fitness & got a job as a trainer". I was going to say something snarky like "don't you need to be certified first?", but after looking online, you can take an online course & test, or even a 3 day seminar & test! I had assumed these trainers had lots of education. Scary.

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Rob (the guy that had the tantrum in Dr Death's office last week) creeps me out. Did you see his face when his team lost the food challenge? Good thing there were no knives around or he might have stabbed someone. That guy has anger issues.

That's the guy's name? I didn't even realize he was the Dr. Death freak out dude. I still can't keep these folks straight. I did notice he looked crazy angry after losing the food-off. I guess I should've realized it was him because it looked like he was about to start screaming & throwing things. Anger issues is right!

The agony over the chow down didn't bother me. It's expected for the reaction to be OTT & its part of the formula. If I were in trainer shape & eating clean it would piss me off to waste my splurge on crap that I didn't chose.

I'm so glad Bob is at the Loser Lounge & only allowed a short time each episode. It's a snap to FF through everything to do with him. I slow down to see who won (or lost actually) & that's the only time I have to hear Bob blither.

I still find Jesse & Jen inoffensive. It's an odd feeling but it's a nice change.

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Rob (the guy that had the tantrum in Dr Death's office last week) creeps me out. Did you see his face when his team lost the food challenge? Good thing there were no knives around or he might have stabbed someone. That guy has anger issues.

 

 

 

For some reason Rob reminds me of that ultra-sleazy guy Brendan from the Pay It Forward season 10, who was all about his alliance "boys" and  seemed vaguely misogynistic. I think he was a special ed teacher or something, but I found him so unlikeable I was ecstatic when he got sent home. Oh, I just googled Brendan. As of 2012, he had gained back 93 lbs of the 135 lbs he had lost on the show.

 but after looking online, you can take an online course & test, or even a 3 day seminar & test! I had assumed these trainers had lots of education. Scary.

 

Especially since Bally's Gym charges $70/hour for personal training. Kbyenothanks

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And doesn't the new person to Comeback Canyon have the advantage? They are presumably coming off of a poor weight loss week, hence why they were eliminated. The other competitor just came off a high loss week because they are still there. It would be funny if every new Canyon-er beat out the previous one. If that was the case, they would have to change the game next year.

Yes, the Comeback Craphole rules were very badly thought out.

I can't really see ANY fair way to do it. The best I can come up with it this--mind you keeping the rules simple because anything too complicated would make for bad TV--start Comeback Craphole with three people instead of two, with one bootee each week of the three. In theory, with three people rather than head to head the second place person (the one who barely missed going home) should provide a buffer in both directions. The winner of the week will still be strongly disadvantaged against the new arrival, but the third person could skew results in either direction (either doing even worse than the previous winner in the next weigh-in, or managing to lose more than the newbie, if they also had a fairly bad week previously but only barely hung on).  So the newbie still is going to have a pretty big advantage--nothing can really be done about that--but with three people someone COULD manage to stay around for multiple weeks anyway.

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I can't really see ANY fair way to do it.

Going by total loss over the past four weeks (or since the start of the season initially)  would make it more random. You'd only have an issue if you had somebody who just had one bad week vs somebody who had been dogging it but was buoyed by the rest of their team, but maybe that's only fair.

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Comeback Craphole is starting to remind me of Redemption Island--and that's not a good thing. 

Really liking Sonja.  

 

When Jen yells she sounds a little like Jillian to me. 

 

Everyone else is kind of blending together--can't keep the names straight.  

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