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S03.E16: Push, Jump, Fall

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DEL901

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They should have called the episode “Pony Steps”.

Poor Angie.  When she told Ormwood she was going to a meeting, I thought she was getting past her slip last episode, and then she’s back in the bar with mom.  Maybe flushing mom was cathartic, but her getting beat up after trying to help that woman, I am sure cops will be called and it will get out that she was drunk.

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Irlandesa

Irlandesa

I'm just glad Pancake lived.  I was worried and I could not take it had she died.

I loved Angie and Oremwood's case and that the drag queens came back to help Ormewood with his will. I loved them last season and I hope to see them again.  I'm a little worried that his positive outlook on the surgery with his kids means the opposite.

Yeesh.  I loved and hated Angie's last few minutes.  So up and down but preferable to last season's insanity.

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MerBearHou

MerBearHou

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It was a good episode, I thought.  Concurrent story line threads about finding the will / choosing to live.  The silent scene of Angie in the bar when she was trying to help — man, what a mess she is.  And the bathroom scene — could not be more degrading for her mom.  And Pancake — thank goodness.  Ormewood has GOT to survive.  Loved seeing Bon Bon again and them helping Ormewood with getting his affairs in order.  I hope those two return periodically some way, somehow.  Lots to think about — I’m going to need a rewatch.  

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Jodithgrace

Jodithgrace

I don’t know the conditions under which Angie was rehired, but I suspect that getting drunk and into a bar fight pretty much violates some major ones. Will she be found out and fired? I don’t dislike show Angie because this is the first season I’ve watched and so I missed her earlier shenanigans. (Book Angie is a whole different story) I hope she can recover from this. She was so good with Ormewood, practically staging an intervention to get him to deal with his surgery. 
 

I assumed that the drag queen lawyers (?) were previously introduced but they were hilarious and got the job done. 

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EtheltoTillie

EtheltoTillie

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7 hours ago, Jodithgrace said:

I don’t know the conditions under which Angie was rehired, but I suspect that getting drunk and into a bar fight pretty much violates some major ones. Will she be found out and fired? I don’t dislike show Angie because this is the first season I’ve watched and so I missed her earlier shenanigans. (Book Angie is a whole different story) I hope she can recover from this. She was so good with Ormewood, practically staging an intervention to get him to deal with his surgery. 
 

I assumed that the drag queen lawyers (?) were previously introduced but they were hilarious and got the job done. 

Yes on the drag queen lawyer and assistant. It’s worth going back to watch their previous episode.  They’re great characters. I was so glad to see them. . 

I knew Will would be good with Pancake, just as he is with Betty. Giving drugs to a horse!  So awful. 
Maybe Will will try equine therapy. 

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fastiller

fastiller

48 minutes ago, EtheltoTillie said:

Yes on the drag queen lawyer and assistant. It’s worth going back to watch their previous episode.  They’re great characters. I was so glad to see them. . 

I knew Will would be good with Pancake, just as he is with Betty. Giving drugs to a horse!  So awful. 
Maybe Will will try equine therapy. 

They more than 'gave' the horse drugs, they force-fed her (him?) baggies of the stuff!

All the hokey chimes and gong stuff aside, Margaret Cho's type of talk therapy ('where is your pain?') sounded to me to be very near Focusing.  Among other aspects, it's a way to let your body tell you what's going on in your mind (referred to as The Felt Sense).  My example is the stress of long drives manifesting as a knot of stress/pain near my right shoulder.  Also, yes, will you should hug your pain.  I think that was what he asked Cho.  Essentially, don't try to force your emotions away.  It never works and often causes more harm than help.

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Jodithgrace

Jodithgrace

I think they were using Pancake because she was old and no longer valuable. They wouldn’t risk a champion horse. I think they considered both the horse and rider to be past their sell by date.

The plot reminded me of the Robert Redford/Jane Fonda movie, Electric Cowboy about a washed up rodeo rider who steals a drugged horse. 

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SharonH58

SharonH58

I have mixed feelings on this episode.  No mention of Will and Angie talking about her mom.    Angie carrying around her mother's ashes and then randomly interfering in Ormewood's decisions about who to tell about his tumor.  I liked the drag people from the other episode but are you going to tell them about Ormewood's tumor?    And yes, the bartender does nothing about a fight.

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fishcakes

fishcakes

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I don't really get why Pancake was full of drug baggies. Doesn't she pretty much just live in a stable and do local shows? Are they taking her over any international borders? That's the only reason why anyone would hide drugs inside a living person/animal. Also if a horse needs a vet, I think the vet comes to the horse, and you don't just start walking it down the nearest road hoping to find a vet. Possibly I am just being grouchy.

Bon Bon and Glinda/Josiah were my favorite parts of the episode. Bon Bon is always hilarious and I love when Josiah snaps into uber-competent lawyer mode.

lol at Pete's "no small talk, no warning."

Angie's scenes were heartbreaking. When she was flushing her mom, I was thinking how hard she was going to regret that when she sobered up, and I didn't expect her to come back immediately and break down over the spilled remains on the floor. Getting beat up by the couple was so realistic; had she been sober, she never would have waded into that in that way.

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marceline

marceline

I was so happy to see Bon Bon and Josiah again. Ormewood needed some straight talk (no pun intended) about getting his affairs in order. It's a good message for the audience too. The conversation with his kids was a good one. I often run cold with most TV kids but the actors playing Max and Cooper are really excellent and the writing for them is well-done. Cooper asking honest, sensible questions made me smile.

Will's behavior with his therapist at the beginning worked my nerves. "I didn't consent to being touched!" "That's very infantilizing!" I'm glad we moved past that quickly. I will also say that I didn't like when he offered the horse some of his optimism drops. (That's a pet peeve of mine. Do not give people drugs to animals without a vet's permission.) When the horse went down afterward I was afraid the drops had something to do with it. I'm glad I was wrong.

Was that guy actually keeping a horse in his home? That sounds like a call for social services.

Oh Angie. She's the queen of the meltdown. I'm not sure whose reaction I'm looking forward to more: Seth's or Franklin's.

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agathapenny

agathapenny

11 hours ago, possibilities said:

I don't think Angie got into a bar fight. I think she tried to intervene in a domestic dispute and got beaten up. But the business of being drunk is still a problem. 

I liked this episode. 

Yeah, I don't think Angie getting beaten up will be the problem. I don't even think she'll get in trouble with her job over the drinking. I thought it did look like a setup where she was going to end up drunk and beat up in the hospital where doctor Seth will see her and it will wreck her relationship.

And just when it looked like she had pulled herself together and was probably going to be back on the wagon. (That bathroom scene was one of the saddest things I've ever seen — kudos to all involved.)

On the other hand, it looks like Will is starting to do a bit better. I thought Will's new therapy was surprisingly effective (in spite of the ripoff "meds"). I was really rooting for the horse (animals always get me) so I was glad it survived. 

Hilarious line from Faith about calling the fashion police, and up pops Amanda saying "I'm already here", lol.

I actually really liked the Ormewood stuff. 

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AnimeMania

AnimeMania

1 hour ago, agathapenny said:

Yeah, I don't think Angie getting beaten up will be the problem. I don't even think she'll get in trouble with her job over the drinking. I thought it did look like a setup where she was going to end up drunk and beat up in the hospital where doctor Seth will see her and it will wreck her relationship.

We don't really know the conditions the committee demanded for Angie's reinstatement to the police department, sobriety might be one of them.

possibilities

possibilities

The reason the vet didn't go to the horse is that they had no cell service where the horse was, so they couldn't call for a vet. As soon as Will got a signal, he told Amanda they needed a vet ASAP.

Will didn't want a dog when he found Betty. He took her to a shelter when she was abandoned by a neighbor who moved away. But then he couldn't leave her at the shelter, and bonded really fast. The horse was a similar dynamic. Will's a natural, he just doesn't THINK he is.

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milkyaqua

milkyaqua

2 hours ago, marceline said:

I was so happy to see Bon Bon and Josiah again. Ormewood needed some straight talk (no pun intended) about getting his affairs in order. It's a good message for the audience too. The conversation with his kids was a good one. I often run cold with most TV kids but the actors playing Max and Cooper are really excellent and the writing for them is well-done. Cooper asking honest, sensible questions made me smile.

Agree with all of this.  I'm also hoping Ormewood pulls through the surgery.

Angie...ugh.  Her walking around with her mother's remains annoyed me but that's par for the course with her.  I was really hoping she'd go to a meeting but something said that would be too reasonable.  That scene in the bathroom was so sad but then it looked like she was coming around.  And then she goes out and gets mixed up with a fighting couple.  Which had she been sober, she'd know can go one of two ways and she got the short end of the stick.  No way she doesn't get busted by her bosses.

OTOH, Will seems to be trying to work through his grief/guilt.  Those drops I'm side-eyeing and no, you don't give human drugs to animals no matter how "natural" they might be.  I was also glad Pancake survived because I couldn't have handled that.

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Sarah 103

Sarah 103

Like so many others here, I loved Bon Bon Chiffon and Josiah/Glinda Velvet helping Ormewood. Was it a full service meeting (legal work and altering his clothes so they would fit)? Seeing them again reminded me of how much I wanted a spin-off. The show is focused on two aspects of Josiah/Glinda Velvet's life. His work as a lawyer (courtroom drama) and his life as a drag queen (backstage drama). The other drag queens are important characters.  

What I'm hoping is that Angie realizes she's hit rock bottom (again) and needs to change. I think the scene in the bathroom was her realizing she doesn't want to be like her mother and that she wants this cycle of addiction to end with her.  

Will may have been scared of Pancake due to size, but Pancake realized he is a good person. One of my friends used to say that horses are like incredibly large vegetarian dogs. 

 

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marceline

marceline

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1 hour ago, AnimeMania said:

We don't really know the conditions the committee demanded for Angie's reinstatement to the police department, sobriety might be one of them.

Something else to consider: Angie got seriously injured in season 1 by Will's dad the serial killer. Remember she had all kinds of spinal trauma and was off work for months. She even slept with her doctor so she could blackmail him into saying she was fit for return to duty. I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up back on disability then desk duty. Desk duty would give her the chance to play the victim just like she did at the beginning of this season. 

  

3 hours ago, agathapenny said:

Hilarious line from Faith about calling the fashion police, and up pops Amanda saying "I'm already here", lol.

That was glorious.

 

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tennisgurl

tennisgurl

I love horses so I was extremely worried about Pancake, I'm so glad that she was alright. Smuggling drugs through horses is awful, I would be pretty temped to pitchfork someone who did that. Will might have been nervous around horses at first but horses have great instincts and are very gentle when treated right, he was so good with her when they started to bond. I also liked the focus on a black rodeo, which are very much a real thing, rodeo culture is way more diverse than what gets shown.

I love that the drag queens came back to help Ormewood, they are an absolute delight and I want to see them again. I am still not loving this brain tumor plot for Ormewood, its just so many depressing things right after the other lately, but I like how they are handling it. The scene where he told his kids was really good, I've really liked his kids this season. 

A really good episode, I like how every plot touched on mortality and choosing to live or die. Angie and Ormewood's case proving whether or not a man killed himself, Ormewood being nervous about getting his affairs in order just in case, Will repeating that he wants to live despite everything, then Will saving Pancake, and Angie finally dumping her moms ashes and hopefully stopping her downward spiral before it gets too bad. Hopefully.

I would normally not be too worried about Ormewood's chances of survival, but TV lately has been killing people left and right lately, no one is safe. 

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Dowel Jones

Dowel Jones

9 hours ago, SharonH58 said:

And yes, the bartender does nothing about a fight.

He's probably calling 911.  Getting involved in a violent fight will very likely land him in the hospital too.

Smuggling drugs through a horse just doesn't sound possible to me.  For one, the horse would likely chew on the baggie first, unlike a human who knows to swallow it whole.  Second, the digestive system of a ruminant animal (that feeds on grass and such) will be significantly different than a human.  Not that I'm an expert or anything close, but isn't it possible the bags would dissolve too fast?

Even though Will worked the situation out in his mind beforehand, what's to show that he got it wrong?  By that I mean why show up at Bernadette's ranch and not handcuff her as a suspect in the death of the man she pitchforked?  She can argue self-defense later.

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DearEvette

DearEvette

The scream I scrumpt when I saw BonBon and Josiah!  And how well they worked into the side-side plot of helping Ormewood get his affairs in order!  Good job show.

And I will add Bernadette to the long line of really well acted guest stars.  This show is really outstanding at casting these not big name actors in these small parts and they deliver.  I loved how the actress portrayed Bernie's broken world weariness only then to turn around with her finding herself again in the end. 

And I really hope Will turned his own corner this episode.

I am so happy Pancake survived.  I would have been so upset.

I liked the little homage to Westerns with Faith and Broken-Nose guy doing the stare down before drawing on each other. 

Dang, Angie is just a hot mess.

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peeayebee

peeayebee

23 hours ago, Izzy85 said:

Yay Bon Bon!!! I missed her and her malapropisms so much, lol

I was cracking up at all the things she said. Nit poking. :D

I was also laughing when Ormewood is wearing his old uniform shirt, busting at the seams, unable to breathe. But I have a complaint: How come he has such long eyelashes and mine are puny?

13 hours ago, fastiller said:

All the hokey chimes and gong stuff aside, Margaret Cho's type of talk therapy ...

So that WAS her. I thought it kinda looking like Margaret Cho, but not quite.

Angie tricked me. I thought she really was going to a meeting. 

Good ep. But, once again, I must make one complaint though I sound like a broken record... No Betty!

It would have bee sweet and funny to see Betty standing beside Pancake. The show probably couldn't do that for safety reasons. It could have been done with CGI, but anyway, not nice, show.

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PattyorSelma

PattyorSelma

For those wondering about Pancake and the drugs, I don't think she was force fed bags of narcotics.  When a mare is foaling, or if there's an impaction, the vet can put on a plastic sleeve and reach way up inside the horse.  The drugs were probably shoved up inside her from the rear end, with the intention being to get them back fairly quickly. 

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Irlandesa

Irlandesa

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46 minutes ago, roughing it said:

What was the outcome with the Jump-Fall-Push guy?  I know something with the insurance agent but I seem to have zoned out on that conclusion.

There was discussion that the man liked the birds in the trees and they wondered if he potentially was going to put a bird feeder out which would indicate a 'fall' (in that he fell while trying to hang it up.)  They decided to go look to see if there was a bird feeder near where he fell.

The next we saw them, they were showing the insurance agent video footage from outside the home. I'm not sure where the video footage came from but it showed the insurance agent finding a bird feeder in the bushes and taking it.  It turns out that if he could deny another claim, he was set up to receive a bonus. 

Ormewood and Angie arrested him for tampering with evidence in an active investigation.

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Dowel Jones

Dowel Jones

1 hour ago, PattyorSelma said:

When a mare is foaling, or if there's an impaction, the vet can put on a plastic sleeve and reach way up inside the horse.

Good point.  Thank you for that. Farmers use the same technique on dairy cattle, as I found out at our county fair.  In a booth on vet services, I think, the farmer was demonstrating the technique.  All well and good, except that the next booth over was a concession stand with a large sign "Hand-packed ice cream."  Check please!

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