S48.E08 A Rift Between All of Us

[Rodney]

Bonds are revealed when castaways are forced to divide into pairs for this week’s Immunity Challenge.  Then, the challenge reward meal isn’t the day’s only prize – one castaway finds an advantage hidden among their food.

This is the episode's discussion thread for after the episode airs.

[Carey]

Yeah Chrissy did more to get kicked out than a typical person who gets voted off would.

She wasn't happy about the ouster, which while showing that you might care, shows that maybe your sort of sucked at the game

Edited Friday at 02:43 AM by Carey

[LadyChatts]

Where's Chrissy been all season?  She's awesome!  I don't know if she inadvertently flipped the vote back to her or if she was going to be the plan all along, but glad she went out swinging.  Happy her and Kamilla brought up jury management to David, because so far he sucks at it.

Kyle has definitely made himself a marked man, but honestly, I'm not sorry he went to bat for Kamilla.  I love Mary and am sorry she had to go get in an alliance with David, but it seems like she was the one who wanted Kamilla, and David just insisted his group go with it because he said so.  Even though Joe didn't seem to want to, and also Shauhin had reservations about working with Mary.  I said last week, it's not that I mind a strong-person alliance, I just don't particularly like this group (and since I've watched since season 1 and have liked many a strong physical male threat on here, their track record isn't what David seems to think it is).  But it seems like this group is going to implode at some point anyway. 

So, if they keep Joe and Eva next week, should we just write one of them a check for the million dollars?  Maybe they can do that lame red ball challenge or a dice roll to see who gets it.  Speaking of Eva, not a fan.  I wish Chrissy had maybe decided to start playing last week, especially since she knew that Joe and Eva needed to get broken up. 

Edited April 17 by LadyChatts

[Carey]

Too little too late.  That's the issue.  That's not great playing IMO.  It's really overrated.  Never let something that developing get to an official state.  It's always bad news, period

[dancingdreamer]

I thought  Chrissy talked too much last TC, she outdid herself this TC. I'd say she's  better playing  at home.
I was worried  for Kyle. 

[choclatechip45]

Sai was a better villian than David. It was a tense episode. 

[Souris]

I was SO SCARED for Kamilla! I think she and Kyle are my favorites. I love their stealth relationship. Though I

fear Kyle got too panicked and gave too much away trying to save her. It may well bite them next week.

Clearly we didn't see some stuff since the vote ended up unanimous for Chrissy. I doubt her tribal performance flipped every vote.

David is an ASS. I want him gone next! 

I liked Mary but she is Dead to Me after aligning with David and gunning so hard for Kamilla.

If Mitch/Star/Kamilla/Kyle/Shahin don't band together next week to vote out David or Joe, they are dumb. 

[Carey]

Meh.  I think Sai was better at being more annoying, but either way, there's still a month to go to obtain a better comparison.  In defense of David, at least his group didn't suck in the early stages.  Tough to be a legit villain, IMO, when you can't win at all.

[North of Eden]

My number one take away from tonight is that David has deliberately been playing a character all season and tonight he let the mask drop. He was cold, calculating and shrewd, a complete 180 from how he has been presenting himself all season. I find that very interesting.

Chrissy flies under the radar all season and only opens her mouth long enough to talk herself into getting voted off. Bravo.

Mitch celebrating when he heard about the Tacos had me instantly thinking there is no scenario in this world where he makes it to the final four at the poles.

With 90 minutes per episode it would have been nice to see when David became Mary's ride or die but I'm just glad she has got one.

Could Kyle have been any more obvious he might be working with Kamilla? The desperation was palpable.

Lastly can anyone familiar with the temperatures in Fiji explain this? Two episodes in a row we see the castaways on the beach bundled up like they are about to tour the fall foliage in New England. I thought it never got cold there so what's the deal?

Edited April 17 by North of Eden

[tinkerbell]

I'm still in the middle of watching, but anyone else notice how the pairs were decided by the guys?  The women didn't jump in, they were quiet and waited to be picked. Like it's a junior high dance, the girls wait to be chosen.

[TVFan1]

Chrissy pretty much talked her way out of the game. The vote most likely was going to be her anyway but, she didn't do herself any favors. I give her props for fighting and trying to see big targets that need to be taken out. I don't believe Kamilla was really in danger of being voted out. 

Eva got the secret advantage. Did she or the show reveal what she got?

[Rodney]

Chrissy made a lot of good points, but no one seemed willing to listen.  It's like these people really are willing to write either Joe or Eva a check.  At least she went down fighting.

Eva did well to get her first immunity win, but I was really hoping for Mary to take it.  And she was so close, too.

I wonder what Eva's advantage will turn out to be?

Felt bad for Star that Mitch and Kamilla had to gang up on her to make her lose her vote.  Shauhin may have been in on it, too.

David really did show his true colors tonight.  Not that I didn't suspect that he'd be the villain from his early confessionals during the premiere.

Kind of a disappointing episode.

[LadyChatts]

37 minutes ago, TVFan1 said:

Chrissy pretty much talked her way out of the game. The vote most likely was going to be her anyway but, she didn't do herself any favors. I give her props for fighting and trying to see big targets that need to be taken out. I don't believe Kamilla was really in danger of being voted out. 

Eva got the secret advantage. Did she or the show reveal what she got?

They didn't, so I assume that's coming next week.  It'll probably happen when they get back from TC and everyone is asleep, and that'll open the episode. 

I'm wondering if David ultimately got out-voted after all when it came to Chrissy vs Kamilla.  I think Chrissy had a good grasp of the game, but not as good a read as she thought, and she was saying the quiet parts out loud.  It was more too little, too late to do anything.  But I'm glad she and Kamilla didn't hesitate to speak their minds to David.  I think he got rattled a little bit, and I don't know if he did himself any favors by saying that the strong people deserve to be endgame this time (and did he out his alliance by doing that?) 

I'm hoping Kyle and Kamilla can get the suspicion off of them and go back under the radar.

Edited April 17 by LadyChatts

[Lantern7]

Blah episode. Totally should have watched the finale for The Challenge: All Stars and recorded this episode. Three episode lose their votes on a complicated bullshit game, and a lady we barely saw got sent to the jury.

I barely care. Only thing I can bother thinking of was that David was an asshole and he wore tight underwear. Probst probably has watched hours of raw footage of just David. Alone. In a secluded trailer away from the rest of the production crew.

Edited Friday at 10:48 PM by Lantern7

[Skooma]

1 hour ago, TVFan1 said:

Eva got the secret advantage. Did she or the show reveal what she got?

She has to go the following night and sneak down the beach to get it or the next part or whatever.  So it will be part of next week's episode I assume.

Chrissy was one of the dumbest players on Survivor ever.  Twice she ranted and raved and foamed at the mouth about the evil that is the "strong guys" right in front of them.  

Hello, you got a problem with alpha males then you go to the beta males and women and talk quietly to them about this problem.  You don't take a megaphone and announce it endlessly on and on and on and on at two Tribals and God knows how much we didn't see of this back at camp.

Inept play.  As well as waiting way too long in the game to try to organize against the male alphas.  Glad she got voted out.  I couldn't take another endlessly long Megaphone Chrissy speech about the evil of alphas and the obvious threat they pose to her.

[Chicago Redshirt]

For all those people criticizing Cedrek last week, let's compare him to Chrissy.

Neither as far as I can recall brought too much to the table in terms of challenges. But did Chrissy have a single ally, even a backstabbing one like Sai? No. Did Chrissy even attempt to make nice with her fellow firefighter Joe? Not that we saw. Did Chrissy help bring any player down any more than in an also-voted capacity No.

Did Chrissy basically paint a target on her back not at just one TC but two by talking openly about how people need to rise up against the dominant alliance? Yes.

Did Chrissy do anything to rally the underdogs to vote out anybody from the Strong Alliance? Not that we were shown. 

None of this makes Cedrek a good player, but it just puzzles me how much hate he was getting when really, it seems to me, most players in the last few seasons have been pretty mediocre to actively terrible at the game. Of course, it's easy to say that from the comfort of my own home, and even if I was guaranteed a million dollars for just showing up, I probably would not want to do the show personally. 

[azshadowwalker]

David isn't just a dickhead, he's an idiot. We have seen Strong Dude alliances repeatedly. They're just too dumb to win.

[Carey]

Plus, they've often been blindsided so a chance at the title may not even play out at the end of the day

[OutOfTheQuestion]

So you've got David/Mary, Eva/Joe, and Kamilla/Kyle as the clear pairings, Shauhin who is the glue holding the "strong five" together amidst these groups of two, and Star and Mitch as the wild cards who seem to be hanging on for dear life. 

As much as Shauhin seems to be a bit of an odd man out, I think he's in good shape if he can successfully navigate each of the pairings to truly align with, and which to split up.  In theory you'd think he's tight with Joe and Eva, but surely everyone at this point might be aware that going up against either in a jury vote is an uphill battle.

[JudyObscure]

Next week should be interesting, in an uncomfortable sort of way. I'd like to ask David why it's okay for him to have Mary in his pocket and Joe to have Eva but it's a shocking betrayal for Kyle to have Kamila?

I kind of love Kamila with her sweet face and her natural eyeshadow like a 1920's silent movie star.

Oh the irony of Chrissy stomping out telling them they just lost their chance at a million dollars.

Chrissy and David are two bossy people who are shocked and outraged when the others won't mind.  As a youngest sibling I'm delighted to watch it.

 

[Fake Jan Brady]

I was just happy that Cedreck managed to find his way to the jury bench without getting lost.

[violet and green]

God, that was dull. I liked Chrissy's fire (zing!) and she sure as hell spoke for me as a viewer. I do not want to watch a bunch of strong men and Eva win challenges and this season. I'm glad Mary's hitched a ride and is not currently a target, and that Star wasn't another option for the vote... But could it get any duller?

[Haleth]

At TC I kept yelling to Kamilla that she needed to shut up. Chrissy was doing a fine job talking herself onto the jury and didn’t need any help. (She was right, however, pointing out the missed opportunities.)

At this point I’d root for any of them except David- Joe for being a good guy. Eva for showing a certain public figure that autistic people can be awesome. Mary for being scrappy. Kyle and Kamilla for being smart. Mitch for beating the odds. Star because everyone forgets her.

 

[Nozycat]

10 hours ago, tinkerbell said:

I'm still in the middle of watching, but anyone else notice how the pairs were decided by the guys?

Yes and they kept saying I am taking such and such.  Excuse me but does that person get a say?

[Special K]

I was hoping the pairs would end up being like in Squid Game...

Spoiler

where the pairs ended up having to compete against each other.  I would have loved to see Joe and Eva's heads explode having to compete against each other.

 

[KeithJ]

For the team ups (unless they showed these to us out of order):

Shauhin picks Kamilla
David picks Mary
Kyle picks Chrissy
Eva picks Joe
Star and Mitch by default

We then get a confessional from Chrissy "Of course, Joe grabs Eva. How is that fair?"

They were the 7th and 8th people to pick a team. Did you really think they were going to pick either Star or Mitch to make it fair? They are trying to win after all.

Then, when Chrissy gets voted out she says "Cost some people a million bucks." This doesn't make any sense. Yeah, they cost you a million bucks because they voted you out but who are these "some people" she's referring to? If you want to win, nobody else can win the million.

I have a feeling Chrissy is going to be a very bitter juror.

 

[cowgirlwen]

Anyone else notice the terrible editing done at the taco feast?  In one shot, Eva had taco sauce all over her face.  Then when she found the hidden advantage, her face was wiped clean.  A few shots later, the same smear of taco sauce was back on her face.  

 

[Arkay]

I imagine Chrissy saw herself as some bold truth-teller, and maybe she was.

But she entirely disregarded  the “outwit” part of  Survivor.

If your plan is to demolish  the obvious alliance, you need some subtle maneuvering.  If you choose to denounce them at Tribal,  then you should expect them to throw you out.

I think that even if it wouldn’t succeed, she could have tried to buddy up to Joe with the firefighter connection.

If she tried any of that, it wasn’t shown.

[rhygirl720]

So last week David preened like a tool during the challenge....and this week he acted like a tool. Excuse me Sir who made you the boss of the tribe.  If Kyle and Kamillia are smart, and I think they are, David needs to go. Que the puzzle challenge...

[fishcakes]

David seems to think big strong men have historically been disadvantaged in this game. I mean, sure they've won the game, like, HALF the time, but is that enough? Really? I mean, these are big strong men. They should be winning all the time, and here is why: they are big, they are strong, they are men. It's fine if people who are not big, strong men want to play Survivor, but only because their votes are needed when selecting a truly worthy player as the winner, someone like, oh, say ... David!

I'm getting a pretty good grasp on why David has no money and lives in a trailer in his dad's driveway.

[iMonrey]

Here's what I thought was interesting. David and Mary suspected that Shauhin was getting too close to Kamilla which is why they wanted to vote her out. That forced Kyle to pretty much tip his hand in trying to save her, and only David and Mary seemed to clock that Kyle was working with Kamilla. So they made a choice based on an incorrect perception but it revealed the secret Kyle and Kamilla had been keeping. I'm not exactly rooting for David, but he could clearly see something was going on with Kyle because of the way he was acting, whereas Joe and Eva seemed oblivious. David may be a tool, but he's no dummy.

The entire journey to make someone lose their vote could have been edited entirely out of this episode for all the impact it had on the game.

I'm really tired of these food rewards. I guess I'm just sick of watching people shovel food into their gaping maws with their filthy hands. It happens every damn week, there is some assortment of people who get to go off and have some kind of mini feast. I swear these people are better fed here than they would be at home. Remember the days when a food reward was one person getting a plate of pasta? Good times.

Wow, Jeff pulled Chrissy's name out first. That almost never happens. I guess it's because the only other vote was for Shauhin and the show knew nobody was going to think Shauhin was going. But the person going home is almost never the first name pulled out.

[Special K]

7 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

 Remember the days when a food reward was one person getting a plate of pasta? Good times.

Remember the infamous "cloth of spaghetti" 🤣🤣

[Carey]

In all fairness, Fake Jan Brady made a great observation as it relates to the jury that reminded me of some history I was robbed from.  At least I think so; if things had been reversed a week ago, I think there was a chance that the Jury bench would have surpassed the Tribal area in terms of vocal volume in the quarter century history of the show.

[Nashville]

Well… I for one just got a sign from Gawd why I should never try playing Survivor IRL, because (even allowing for editing bias) if David had kept repeatedly  talking over me the way he did Kyle, I’d have had to deal with the overwhelming urge to tell David to to fuck all the way off to the moon and die in the cold vacuum of space, alone and unloved - yaknow, like he’s doing right now in Dad’s trailer.  That sort of bullying I got no patience for, unless David thinks he has a strategy to win without allies. 🤬🤬🤬

 

13 hours ago, Souris said:

Clearly we didn't see some stuff since the vote ended up unanimous for Chrissy. I doubt her tribal performance flipped every vote.

I dunno; right up until Chrissy’s TC train wreck, David was definitely giving me “I’ve made up my mind already, so don’t confuse me with the facts” vibes.

 

10 hours ago, Skooma said:

Chrissy was one of the dumbest players on Survivor ever.  Twice she ranted and raved and foamed at the mouth about the evil that is the "strong guys" right in front of them.  

[iMonrey]

2 minutes ago, Nashville said:

That sort of bullying I got no patience for, unless David thinks he has a strategy to win without allies.

I'm not sure I'd call it "bullying" although I get it came across that way. I think mostly because David is bigger than Kyle and less popular. But to me, Kyle was digging his own grave. David asked Kyle right at the top whether they were a tight five and Kyle said yes. So David couldn't understand why it mattered to Kyle whether it was Kamilla or Chrissy they voted out and Kyle did a lousy job trying to explain it. All he did was tip David off he had something going on with Kamilla. To me, David was just frustrated and trying to get to the bottom of it. Yeah, he was pretty aggressive, but again when you're a big guy like that it looks more threatening than if the roles were reversed. David was pushy but he sniffed out exactly what Kyle was trying to hide. 

David didn't threaten Kyle or try to turn the vote on him, so that's why I wouldn't necessarily say he crossed the line into bullying.

[Nashville]

20 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

David didn't threaten Kyle or try to turn the vote on him, so that's why I wouldn't necessarily say he crossed the line into bullying.

As I said before I will certainly allow for the possibility of prejudicial editing, but IMHO David’s behavior was passive-aggressive bullying at its finest/worst - and I come from a family with more than its fair share of Southern Baptist church ladies, so I know whereof I speak.  Doesn’t matter if it’s in Survivor or in the meeting room, that sort of talking over everyone else communicates absolutely nothing except “I’ve already decided what we should do, so you should just shut the fuck up and go along with what I say because your opinion is meaningless.”

Even if David’s suspicions were correct (which WE know to be true), David’s handling of his allies was execrable and virtually guarantees that when the Beefcake Bros alliance inevitably fractures, his head will be one of the first on the chopping block.  When Kamilla mentioned bad Jury management at the TC, her comments could be applied to David just as easily as Chrissy- and Kamilla wouldn’t be wrong either way.

Edited April 17 by Nashville
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[KittyMom4]

14 hours ago, North of Eden said:

Chrissy flies under the radar all season and only opens her mouth long enough to talk herself into getting voted off. Bravo.

I wouldn't say she flew under the radar, she was just not a threat and she had it good in her original tribe but now that the numbers are dwindling she thinks she's been "playing the game all along" and wants to make a move.

11 hours ago, Skooma said:

Chrissy was one of the dumbest players on Survivor ever.  Twice she ranted and raved and foamed at the mouth about the evil that is the "strong guys" right in front of them.  

Hello, you got a problem with alpha males then you go to the beta males and women and talk quietly to them about this problem.  You don't take a megaphone and announce it endlessly on and on and on and on at two Tribals and God knows how much we didn't see of this back at camp.

Inept play.  As well as waiting way too long in the game to try to organize against the male alphas.  Glad she got voted out.  I couldn't take another endlessly long Megaphone Chrissy speech about the evil of alphas and the obvious threat they pose to her

And that move as @Skooma so eloquently put, was DUMB. Yes to everything above! When you are not a physical threat and not in a strong alliance, the worst thing you can do is start pissing off those that are. The quiet, sneaky approach would have worked much better for her.  I am not sorry to see her go, she brought nothing to the game IMO.

[KittyMom4]

 

37 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

I'm not sure I'd call it "bullying" although I get it came across that way. I think mostly because David is bigger than Kyle and less popular. But to me, Kyle was digging his own grave. David asked Kyle right at the top whether they were a tight five and Kyle said yes. So David couldn't understand why it mattered to Kyle whether it was Kamilla or Chrissy they voted out and Kyle did a lousy job trying to explain it. All he did was tip David off he had something going on with Kamilla. To me, David was just frustrated and trying to get to the bottom of it. Yeah, he was pretty aggressive, but again when you're a big guy like that it looks more threatening than if the roles were reversed. David was pushy but he sniffed out exactly what Kyle was trying to hide. 

David didn't threaten Kyle or try to turn the vote on him, so that's why I wouldn't necessarily say he crossed the line into bullying

Kyle really did do a poor job of deflecting from Kamilla, I don't think David was bullying so much as trying to figure out where Kevin was coming from.

I really like the Kyle/Kamilla alliance and that they are both fighting for one another.

[Cheyanne11]

11 hours ago, azshadowwalker said:

David isn't just a dickhead, he's an idiot. We have seen Strong Dude alliances repeatedly. They're just too dumb to win.

He was giving strong incel vibes last night with the "we, the underdog STRONG DUDES, will finally prevail" 'tude.

[Nashville]

24 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

He was giving strong incel vibes last night with the "we, the underdog STRONG DUDES, will finally prevail" 'tude.

David, last episode: “Hey y'all, watch this - all of you have already dropped out, but I’m so big and strong I can do this challenge with one hand!”

David, this episode: “WHY ARE Y’ALL ALWAYS PICKING ON THE STRONG PLAYERS!?!?”

[Katie111]

Why was Kamilla so invested in Shauhin at the journey?  She and Kyle are clearly barely in the alliance (and at the bottom of it) and Shauhin is barely hanging on as well.  If Kyle and Kamilla were smart, they would have made a move and tried to convince Chrissy and Mitch and Shauhin to go along with voting out Joe or David.  Or tried to get Shauhin to lose his vote and gotten Star on board.

Also, why is Star getting like no edit?  They literally never show her.  Until the challenge started, I was starting to think she got eliminated last week and I missed it. 

[realitytvfan1017]

18 hours ago, Carey said:

Yeah Chrissy did more to get kicked out than a typical person who gets voted off would.

She wasn't happy out the ouster, which while showing that you might care, shows that maybe your sort of sucked at the game

I wonder if she suspected she was leaving because the vote was unanimous and she picked up the energy and that’s why she spilled all her thoughts out. 

18 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

Where's Chrissy been all season?  She's awesome!  I don't know if she inadvertently flipped the vote back to her or if she was going to be the plan all along, but glad she went out swinging.  Happy her and Kamilla brought up jury management to David, because so far he sucks at it.

Kyle has definitely made himself a marked man, but honestly, I'm not sorry he went to bat for Kamilla.  I love Mary and am sorry she had to go get in an alliance with David, but it seems like she was the one who wanted Kamilla, and David just insisted his group go with it because he said so.  Even though Joe didn't seem to want to, and also Shauhin had reservations about working with Mary.  I said last week, it's not that I mind a strong-person alliance, I just don't particularly like this group (and since I've watched since season 1 and have liked many a strong physical male threat on here, their track record isn't what David seems to think it is).  But it seems like this group is going to implode at some point anyway. 

So, if they keep Joe and Eva next week, should we just write one of them a check for the million dollars?  Maybe they can do that lame red ball challenge or a dice roll to see who gets it.  Speaking of Eva, not a fan.  I wish Chrissy had maybe decided to start playing last week, especially since she knew that Joe and Eva needed to get broken up. 

Agree, David is just plain annoying. And it’s so obvious he’s not a super fan and has watched little to no Survivor. Yes his  jury management stinks. I hope he’s voted out soon. He comes off as entitled and I don’t like that. I don’t mind the strong person alliance but the honesty thing is bs and coming from someone who doesn’t know the game. It rings false. 
 

I hope this didn’t ruin Kyle and Kamilla’s game . In my opinion, Kyle should work with Shauhin not against him as he’s probably at the bottom of the alliance now with him. Get Kamilla, Mitch and Star. Mary should go with them too but she seems too enamored with David .

18 hours ago, Souris said:

I was SO SCARED for Kamilla! I think she and Kyle are my favorites. I love their stealth relationship. Though I

fear Kyle got too panicked and gave too much away trying to save her. It may well bite them next week.

Clearly we didn't see some stuff since the vote ended up unanimous for Chrissy. I doubt her tribal performance flipped every vote.

David is an ASS. I want him gone next! 

I liked Mary but she is Dead to Me after aligning with David and gunning so hard for Kamilla.

If Mitch/Star/Kamilla/Kyle/Shahin don't band together next week to vote out David or Joe, they are dumb. 

I agree on all of this . Lots of this crossed my mind too !

[realitytvfan1017]

14 hours ago, Skooma said:

She has to go the following night and sneak down the beach to get it or the next part or whatever.  So it will be part of next week's episode I assume.

Chrissy was one of the dumbest players on Survivor ever.  Twice she ranted and raved and foamed at the mouth about the evil that is the "strong guys" right in front of them.  

Hello, you got a problem with alpha males then you go to the beta males and women and talk quietly to them about this problem.  You don't take a megaphone and announce it endlessly on and on and on and on at two Tribals and God knows how much we didn't see of this back at camp.

Inept play.  As well as waiting way too long in the game to try to organize against the male alphas.  Glad she got voted out.  I couldn't take another endlessly long Megaphone Chrissy speech about the evil of alphas and the obvious threat they pose to her.

She should have made a stronger effort to work with some of the Civas minus David and Kyle but especially Mitch. They had the numbers and I’m sure all too happy to get out one of Joe, Eva or David. 

Just now, realitytvfan1017 said:

She should have made a stronger effort to work with some of the Civas minus David and Kyle but especially Mitch. They had the numbers and I’m sure all too happy to get out one of Joe, Eva or David. 

And Star and even Sai or Cedrek.

5 hours ago, rhygirl720 said:

So last week David preened like a tool during the challenge....and this week he acted like a tool. Excuse me Sir who made you the boss of the tribe.  If Kyle and Kamillia are smart, and I think they are, David needs to go. Que the puzzle challenge...

Exactly 😊

[LadyChatts]

24 minutes ago, realitytvfan1017 said:

Agree, David is just plain annoying. And it’s so obvious he’s not a super fan and has watched little to no Survivor. Yes his  jury management stinks. I hope he’s voted out soon. He comes off as entitled and I don’t like that. I don’t mind the strong person alliance but the honesty thing is bs and coming from someone who doesn’t know the game. It rings false. 

I hope this didn’t ruin Kyle and Kamilla’s game . In my opinion, Kyle should work with Shauhin not against him as he’s probably at the bottom of the alliance now with him. Get Kamilla, Mitch and Star. Mary should go with them too but she seems too enamored with David .

Kyle actually has the perfect opportunity to try and get the tables turned on David if he plays his cards right.  Mitch has no one and I think he realizes that.  Star doesn’t really have anyone but I don’t think she knows that, so she might be a wild card.  But Shauhin already seemed uneasy with David just bringing Mary into their alliance, and Joe didn’t seem to like him saying that Mary wanted Kamilla gone so the vote was going to be Kamilla (without giving much consideration to what anyone else had to say).  And David’s whole reasoning for wanting her gone was he initially thought Shauhin had some secret duo with her, so he was even incorrect there.  David was already unraveling and if Shauhin thought he was suspicious of him that could give him the motive to want to vote him off (which is funny since Kyle’s actually the one that’s been gunning for Shauhin).
 

While I think Joe/Eva are the bigger threat, if Kyle could get Shauhin and Mitch onboard, he’d have 4 votes.  So he would just need at least one of Star, Joe, or Eva to flip to their side and vote David off.  Joe might be able to be convinced, I’m just not sure about Eva.  

Edited Thursday at 08:41 PM by LadyChatts

[truthaboutluv]

20 hours ago, choclatechip45 said:

Sai was a better villian than David. It was a tense episode. 

I have to say, when Mary was gunning so hard for Kamilla, who I like, a small part of me was like, "where's Sai when you need her to drag Mary."

Travel plans made me miss last night's episode and I only just got caught up. It was a good one. As others have noted, I liked Chrissy and hate that it came down to her and Kamilla but I'm glad Kamilla was saved. 

Also, while Chrissy wasn't wrong in her read on things, it was bad Survivor playing to word vomit it so intensely at tribal council. Survivor is a game that saying less often times works best. 

Also, I know the editing will make it seem like the vote only changed because of Chrissy's popping off at the mouth at tribal council but I don't buy it. If that were the case, there would have been a vote or two for Kamilla.

The group collectively decided to go for Chrissy before they got to tribal council and it made sense because the only people gunning hard for Kamilla were David and Mary. Eva agreed but girlfriend seems like some flip flopper of whatever she's told.

In an alliance of 5, three people said the Kamilla vote did not make sense to them - Joe, Kyle, and Shauvin. So why do it? Just because David says so? And the fact that his dumb looking face seemed to think that was reason enough is so ludicrous.

David is making a whole stink about Kyle not wanting Kamilla and how it's all suspicious (which okay, yes, they are in a secret alliance) but why is no one in the so-called loyal 5 questioning David suddenly deciding that it's a loyal 6 that includes Mary and suddenly how they want to vote must be the way, no questions asked or alternate options allowed. Like the hell? Who okayed that? 

[iMonrey]

One of the recappers I read reminded me that - once again - Jeff inserted himself into the game, and went so far as to suggest he did it to sabotage someone he doesn't want to win: Kamilla. When they had gathered for the immunity challenge he asked how they decided to pair up. And then he immediately jumped on Kamilla when she said she had no alliance (or whatever she said) and pointed out that she was actually playing really hard as evidenced by her position. 

3 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

David is making a whole stink about Kyle not wanting Kamilla and how it's all suspicious (which okay, yes, they are in a secret alliance) but why is no one in the so-called loyal 5 questioning David suddenly deciding that it's a loyal 6 that includes Mary and suddenly how they want to vote must be the way, no questions asked or alternate options allowed. Like the hell? Who okayed that? 

Well, it was David and Mary who thought Kamilla should go because Shauhin had gotten close to her (based on his picking her for the IC, I guess?) and Eva was on board with it. When David, Mary, Eva, Joe and Kyle were hashing it out, they went around and said who they wanted and Mary and Eva both still said Kamilla. So it wasn't just David. And we know why Kyle was against it.

Joe, on the other hand, just seemed confused. He kept saying he didn't get it. Which makes me think he's not really running things in this alliance. And if he wasn't clued into the fact that Kyle was trying to save Kamilla for a reason, he's not very bright either.

[truthaboutluv]

58 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

Well, it was David and Mary who thought Kamilla should go because Shauhin had gotten close to her (based on his picking her for the IC, I guess?) and Eva was on board with it. When David, Mary, Eva, Joe and Kyle were hashing it out, they went around and said who they wanted and Mary and Eva both still said Kamilla. So it wasn't just David. And we know why Kyle was against it.

I get all that. My point is, the so-called loyal alliance was supposed to be five people - Joe, Eva, David, Kyle, and Shauvin. David decides he trusts Mary and literally says at one point it's a loyal 6, and again, despite no one else of his five seeming to agree to this. 

Mary is the one who went the hardest making the Kamilla case when the four were on reward. And once David said it's what shoud be done, his attitude was there didn't need to be any discussion about it anymore, period. 

My point is that Kyle should have thrown back in his face that why is Kamilla such a threat because she and Shauvin are supposedly close when how is that any different than David and Mary?

Because as Kyle said, Kamilla had been voting their way, she hadn't done anything to suggest she wasn't loyal. But David thinks she and Shauvin are too close and that's a problem but he meanwhile just inserted Mary into what was supposedly a 5.

Unless I missed it, Shauvin wasn't suggesting bringing Kamilla into their loyal 5 nor Kyle. My point is that there is a more than reasonable way for Kyle and company to flip David's own arguments and case back on him. 

Kyle's mistake was trying to reason with David and trying hard to not seem like he was fighting for Kamilla, which he was, that it made him almost deferential to David. When he should have been pushing hard to Shauvin and Joe the argument of why is David so suddenly attached to Mary and whatever she wants when she is not part of their aliance. Especially since he could press to Shauvin that David's whole argument for Kamilla was purely because he decided she was too close to Shauvin. 

[Souris]

I think Kamilla/Kyle surviving next week hinges on Shauhin. I wonder if they will try to switch up the game with Mitch/Star/Shauhin or try to go back under the radar with the "strong" alliance? If they try something, would Shauhin decide to work with the others or stick with the "strong" alliance? If he thinks he would be the No. 3 with both Joe/Eva and David/Mary, I fear he would stick with them. 

And then of course Eva's advantage could come into play (I assume she will get it next week).

 

 

 

 

 

[fishcakes]

4 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

Kyle actually has the perfect opportunity to try and get the tables turned on David if he plays his cards right.  Mitch has no one and I think he realizes that.  Star doesn’t really have anyone but I don’t think she knows that, so she might be a wild card.

It's hard to tell because Star gets almost no screen time (unless she's being used for comic relief, which I am starting to resent on her behalf), but I think that Star believes she's in an alliance with Eva and, therefore, Joe. Not this week, but since everyone started living on one beach together, we've seen her run information back to them when their names come up. If she does think that, I hope she gets clued in asap because Eva has not given her a second thought since she got her idol, and I doubt Joe has ever thought about Star at all.

4 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

While I think Joe/Eva are the bigger threat, if Kyle could get Shauhin and Mitch onboard, he’d have 4 votes.  So he would just need at least one of Star, Joe, or Eva to flip to their side and vote David off.  Joe might be able to be convinced, I’m just not sure about Eva.  

This could work. Shauhin is already starting think David is sketchy, and Mitch seems willing to work with anyone. I think Kyle's best bet at flipping someone is Joe. He couldn't have been happy that David was pushing so hard for Kamilla when it was Chrissy who was targeting him, and Eva, at this point, almost seems as if she has more loyalty to David than to Joe. She was with David and Mary arguing that it should be Kamilla voted out last night, even though Joe clearly had a good reason for wanting Chrissy out.

2 hours ago, truthaboutluv said:

Unless I missed it, Shauvin wasn't suggesting bringing Kamilla into their loyal 5 nor Kyle.

This is part of what annoys me about David because who even is he? Why does he think he gets to dictate who's in, who's out, and who can have a number one within the larger alliance? It's okay for him and Mary, and Joe and Eva, but not for Shauhin and Kyle? 

Besides which, originally, I think Kamilla was supposed to be in the meathead alliance, and I'm not sure what happened to that. When Joe, Shauhin, Kamilla, and Kyle were on the shuffled tribe, after they all had that conversation about their backgrounds, I could swear they all agreed they would stick together as a foursome to the end, although it was probably understood that Joe would be bringing Eva in with them. But then the merge came, and Eva and Joe brought David in and everyone but Kyle seemed to take it for granted that he was in and Kamilla was out. Joe and Shauhin never once mentioned Kamilla as part of the alliance after that one conversation. So it's pretty rich that David gets to bring in Mary and wants everyone to defer to her wishes, but then he gets all bunched up because Shauhin, for real, did nothing more than choose Kamilla to be his partner in a challenge, and Kyle questioned why Kamilla instead of Chrissy as the vote.

Edited Friday at 01:31 AM by fishcakes

[violet and green]

Not even an ounce of charisma to share amongst the lot of them.