S5.E9: Revenge is Best Served in Coach

[ZettaK]

Tensions mount between Bronwyn and Lisa; Todd's frustration grows; Meredith questions Shawn's comments; Whitney and Lisa find some common ground; a fun day at the racetrack.

First aired on 11/13/2024.

Edited November 13 by ZettaK

[Salacious Kitty]

Who's Shawn?

[ZettaK]

1 hour ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Who's Shawn?

Angie's husband. He made some comments about Brooks, Meredith's son.

Edited November 13 by ZettaK

[Salacious Kitty]

Oh okay, thanks. When you posted that, I realized that I don't ever recall his name mentioned. 😀

[princelina]

15 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Angie's husband. He made some comments about Brooks, Meredith's son.

Hee hee!  Awesome - I can't wait 😄

[politichick]

I think Mary exposing her pathetic son is a kind of cry for help. While he's in forced rehab, she needs to get that little girl out of her house. I feel sorry for her because she tried to give him the life she didn't have growing up and he's a total fuck up.

Fucking Lisa. Instead of making up with Bronwyn she tries to blame Whitney?

Love, love, love the diamond necklace!!!

Why is Seth wearing that fucking hat to dinner and Lisa's dressed for the drive through.

Edited November 14 by politichick
To add text.

[Emmeline]

Wow, Mary has her hands full with her son and his girlfriend/wife.  They must spend the whole day in bed doing nothing. It’s clear she enables him because she feels he’s all she has.  Hope he can straighten himself out.

That necklace is beautiful but it’s also ridiculous.  Do you have to keep that in the safe deposit box, in a vault?  Only take it out for fabulous Utah events.  

[65mickey]

This used to be my favorite housewives show. But I hate this season. Now they are playing a. newly wed games ugh. Todd is a huge sourpuss and he speaks to his wife like she is a child telling her what she can and can't say. And of course she puts up with his ill disposition. He pays the bills.   

Mary is not doing her son any favors by allowing him and that young girl to lie up in bed all day like a couple of lazy slobs. Are they married?  Her son needs to be told to get up and find s job even if it is working in a fast food restaurant. 

Edited November 14 by 65mickey

[bosawks]

I think this dinner went past Todd’s bedtime. 

[Pi237]

Wow, Brownwyn was making constant comments about only liking Todd for his money-way more than can be brushed off as a ‘joke’ And on their anniversary!  She acts like she’s ashamed of him.  I can’t see another 10 years for them, but it’ll be his choice because she’s not leaving his money willingly. 
 

Hated the diamond necklace. Too much, clutter on her neck. Of course, I’d be happy to exchange it 🤣

Kind of loved Shawn not giving in to Meredith, but that’s enough now. Husbands go back to being silent, thanks. 

 

[politichick]

I love the diamond necklace. It's simple and the jewels are exquisite. Also really liked her race car frock.

[65mickey]

1 minute ago, Pi237 said:

Kind of loved Shawn not giving in to Meredith, but that’s enough now. Husbands go back to being silent, thanks. 

 

Agree this is the real housewives show no need to drag the husbands in. 

[FlyingEgret]

8 minutes ago, bosawks said:

I think this dinner went past Todd’s bedtime. 

It definitely went past mine 😂

[Straycat80]

Mary is enabling her son and his GF/wife. Very sad. 
I didn’t like the diamond necklace. Too clunky. Probably was borrowed for the show anyway.

I hope after this episode the huzzbands disappear. Todd is so grumpy, he wasn’t ready for this shit show. Some of these men are worse drama queens than their wives. Looking at Meredith’s huzzband. 
The cumbaya moment with the ladies in the hot tub is not going to last. 

[Pi237]

Wow, Lisa really thinks her shit’s ice cream.   

[Marley]

Honestly it’s uncomfortable to watch Mary’s son. He is so fucked up. Seems like pills.

Todd is a douche but Lisa just literally starting arguing right again at the table. Stupid Whitney should shut up tho. I don’t know if Lisa talked about her dumb ass jewellery line or not but right now it seems like her proof is one podcaster who is her friend lol. Who gives a fuck about her dumb jewelry line anyways like enough.

The one time I liked Seth was him stopping that annoying convo at lunch.

Todd trashing Lisa & John’s tequila to his friend was rude. The more I see or hear from him the more I dislike him.

RTBAN was idiotic lol. Really idiotic.

Did Todd actually get Bronwyn that 4 million necklace? She actually that rich? They seem to have no chemistry. Him whipping out his black card was lame.

Seth with the biotch thing was a bit much like chill you quoted a lame ass clickbait article.

Shawn is still hot playing volleyball. I like him.

Angie bringing up the grandfather topic waa stupid & seemed forced.

Why do we only see such shell snippets of them having fun but all of their arguments. Like watching them having fun is entertaining too.

Bronwyn doing some more bragging at the race car thing. Meh. I really don’t care to see more of Todd.

[princelina]

Not a fan of Bronwyn but she looked really cute at the race, and IMO looks way better with her hair parted in the middle.

Obviously a huge producer plant, but if it were real life - what could be ruder than someone pulling out a "newlywed game" at someone else's dinner party, between appetizers and dinner, with inappropriate sex questions, whilst leaving half of the guests out?  Yet old Todd, whose friends were rudely snubbed, seemed to be enjoying himself talking about favorite sex positions!   

Here's something positive I can say about Meredith:  she's more appealing than the men in her family!  I bet when Seth Marks shouted, "Proof beeyotch!" she was wishing he had left for Ohio already! 😂. On the other hand - I've always liked Angie's husband until tonight when he primly twittered, "He said beeyotch but was really calling you all bitches!!"  Shame on you, Shawn.  

Of course I have no sympathy for Lisa's "flying in coach" panic, but as an observer it does seem slightly lame to bring people out on a private plane and then surprise them with humdrum flights on the way home while you (the hosts) sit in first class 😂

[dancingdreamer]

Todd is way too controlling  for my liking, but if Bronwyn  can put up with him, good for her.

Seth, take the cap off, he looked like a goober, with no class. Meredith  could  do better. 

I think  both Heather and Lisa are  seeing  Bronwyn  as a contender for a housewife  next season,  and the following one. She's no Monica, and they're  a tiny bit envious,  she definitely brings it. Of course, compared  to pablum John Barlow, they are nothing. I actually  liked Todd saying  their into Tequila,  but it's not that good. He may be an oaf,  but I'm sure he knows his Tequila. 

Okay men, be gone! Thank you. 

[Palimelon]

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Lisa just literally starting arguing right again at the table.

Especially after her husband was telling her maybe she and Bronwyn should be having that conversation one-on-one and in private. It's like that suggestion just sprinted from one ear to the other.

[swankie]

8 hours ago, 65mickey said:

Todd is a huge sourpuss and he speaks to his wife like she is a child telling her what she can and can't say. And of course she puts up with his ill disposition. He pays the bills.   

Todd is another Tom Girardi.  He's such a jerk!!!  He'd better not have any shady dealings going on now or in his past.  Housewive's shows are like Sherlock Holmes when it comes to exposing crooked dealings.  I wonder what kind of fallout Bronwyn is getting after saying he embarrassed her in her talking head.  

[MadMiniaturist]

Bronwyn and Todd's relationship is reminding me of Erika Jayne and Tom Girardi.

I thought that her necklace was a "loaner", ie, publicity for the jeweler and just for the show (Oscars-like).

Edited November 14 by MadMiniaturist

[Chatty Cake]

Mary and her son need a program for him.  He needs to get clean and then find a purpose, hopefully a job or school. 
I’m in the minority but I loved Seth calling Whitney a beyotch while holding up the fake proof. She is a beyotch and didn’t need to jump in demanding proof. That said, I did agree with Shawn that he thought he and Meredith were okay only for her mention wanting an apology after she repeated the vrumors about him in the first place.  
Justin handled things with Lisa in a nicer manner. Whitney looked mad when he apologized. He wasn’t allowed. 
I also got Tom Ghirardi vibes from mean mugging Todd. Bronwyn is not allowed to speak after he has said his piece on a matter.  Angie was messy bringing up Gwen’s grandparents but Todd could have been more pleasant in his reply. I did think Bronwyn cared for him earlier in the season but now I definitely think it’s really just the money. She can’t enjoy being around that. 
I thought Todd was a dick for calling John and Lisa’s tequila so so.  John was nothing but pleasant to Todd’s miserable fat face. 
I enjoyed Lisa’s meltdown about coach. Someone needs to tell her that Bronwyn got the last dig in but she has to sit with fat fuck Todd. 

[bosawks]

The fact that Meredith/Seth and Angie/Shawn are arguing about what was said in a podcast that apparently none of the four have either re-listened to or listened to at all is why I love this show.

I am a fan of sheer laziness, I should spend probably 30 minutes tops at 2x speed to clarify my point, nah, I'll just argue about it.

Love it.

[ZettaK]

To put some context into the Meredith/Shawn issue:

Meredith who was angry at Angie (she told her among other things she "can leave now" during an earlier season in California) discussed the rumors about the huzzband (Shawn) on tv, and convinced Monica Garcia to repeat them- that Shawn is gay. She then claimed again and again that it was not her who did it because her son is gay, and she would never do that. Shawn was asked in a podcast if Meredith uses her son as a shield to essentially justify her messiness. 

[65mickey]

Bravo has ruined the housewives shows.Tthey should just call them the real screamers of whatever city. Nothing is fun anymore. And the husbands just make it worse. 

[Yours Truly]

12 hours ago, 65mickey said:

 Todd is a huge sourpuss and he speaks to his wife like she is a child telling her what she can and can't say. And of course she puts up with his ill disposition. He pays the bills.   

 

Not for nothing but I think Bronwynn is DYING to have her daughter's issues with the grandparents front and center as a storyline. As MUCH as i'm loving Bronwynn this is the one area that I'm soured by. 

As hurtful and sad as her past is with her daughters grandparents, it's not all that uncommon. And let's face it, Bronwynn WASN'T a child when she popped up on strangers doorsteps EXPECTING unconditional support and kindness.  Girl you just showed up with news that were going to change these people's lives forever. I get that their son was also involved but that doesn't negate the heaviness of the situation. 

The idea that only a pregnant women's feelings should matter in these situations always astounds me. There are OTHER lives affected by a decision to bring a baby into the world. At LEAST acknowledge that part and people usually don't. This whole first and foremost we must coddle the "mom to be" no matter what is fantasy and fairytale. 

I'm not saying I don't feel for Bronwynn but at the end of the day she had sole agency over her body and what she did with it so she wasn't an innocent bystander in all this. Maybe pay closer attention to the family you decide to reproduce with. Yeah, yeah, she was young and again I feel for her in that respect but the decades long pity party isn't something I'm on board with . As young as she was she made her choices how she made her choices. Thinking you're going to force yourself into a family cause you just so happen to be pregnant is a silly gamble to make. Instant acceptance really isn't a thing everywhere and with all families so making an assumption like she did, caused her years and years of heartache.

I'm just saying, this blanket sympathy for Bronwynn is just not my style. Women can pick and chose HOW they are in relationships and a young mistake is just that a young mistake. A mistake that had it's consequences. Ce sera, sera.. (When I say mistake I mean choosing a man that couldn't own up to his responsibilities. I'm not speaking of her choice to keep her child). 

I think it's shitty to bring this on the show. For her daughters sake and yes even for the grandparents sake. There seems to be a lot of hostility and resentment coming from Bronwynns side of things (including Gwen) and I understand that it's valid however, bringing this onto a reality tv show, bringing this very somber topic onto a show where there is no respect given, care or consideration is pretty ironic and hypocritical to me. You want me to shed tears over the lack of contact from the grandparents and try to sell me that they are terrible people all the while dragging this story out into the public that involves their dead son who died at a pretty young age..... 

I just can't there is just so much wrong here.

I'm with Todd when he says "We are not talking about this now". Bronwynn was sputtering  and seemed a bit caught off guard but there was still something in her tone that made me feel like she was still trying to talk about it while "defending Lisa".  It doesn't sit right with me that she wants this on the show. There's a part of me that believes Bronwynn wants to do this to get back at the grandparents and I'm never okay with this level of petty spitefulness. Especially when it comes to family dynamics, tragedy, death and children.  This whole stunt with bringing it up on the show is just a bit too nasty for my taste and if, at this big age, you are living your life with payback still being a strong factor in your life then I'm not so sure you deserve my sympathy.

I still have hope that Bronwynn does not take this storyline much further and if she does she does it with the grace that has so far won me over. I'm not writing her off yet when it comes to this topic cause I think she's is capable of rationalizing and being fair. What's i'm speaking on is the underlying resentment that's she's not able to hide and has every right to feel I'm just not interested in seeing her act on it in a hateful way. But I do have faith that she can handle in a way that respects the situation as a whole and that will be the best for all involved. 

 

Edited November 14 by Yours Truly

[SweetieDarling]

I'm curious about the editing of that dinner. One minute they are throwing accusations across the table and Todd looks like he's about to shut the whole thing down, then Angie brings out the stupid, lame, not suitable for the dinner table Newlywed Game, and suddenly they're all laughing and having a great time? Even Todd?  I found it strange 

[heatherchandler]

10 hours ago, princelina said:

I've always liked Angie's husband until tonight when he primly twittered, "He said beeyotch but was really calling you all bitches!!"  Shame on you, Shawn.  

Shawn was right, that was awful Seth calling Whitney a bitch.  Whitney sucks but still not ok.  Also what grown man says “biatches?” 

[Pi237]

10 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

Also what grown man says “biatches?” 

A drunk one. He looked wasted the whole vacation, especially when he was leaving 

[heatherchandler]

26 minutes ago, Pi237 said:

A drunk one. He looked wasted the whole vacation, especially when he was leaving 

Oh for sure!  He slurs his speech just like Meredith.

[65mickey]

Somehow I missed the information about Bronwyn's daughter Gwen. How old is she and does she live with  Bronwyn?

 

[ZettaK]

6 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

Somehow I missed the information about Bronwyn's daughter Gwen. How old is she and does she live with  Bronwyn?

 

She was 17 when this was filmed early this year. She lives with Bronwyn, or lived with her because she might be in college already.

Edited November 14 by ZettaK

[heatherchandler]

Lisa is a complete a-hole.  Anyone watching the after-show?  She said she was “slumming” on the vacation that they went on, she couldn’t fit in the coach seats, couldn’t use her hands, etc.

Isn’t her business in trouble?  I’m so curious about her finances…

[Marley]

I don’t get all the love for Bronwyn. I don’t dislike her but I don’t see what is so great about her so far.

[goofygirl]

15 hours ago, Pi237 said:

Wow, Lisa really thinks her shit’s ice cream.   

D.E.A.D.!!! You win the internets today!

I also thought it was hysterical that Lisa pitched SUCH a fit about flying COACH... Oh. My. GAWD.  The horror!!  But after Bronwynn went on and on about PAYING for the PJ, she made them all fly home COACH except of course; for her majesty, the necklace, and that ass huzzbin.

Edited November 14 by goofygirl

[ZettaK]

1 hour ago, heatherchandler said:

Lisa is a complete a-hole.  Anyone watching the after-show?  She said she was “slumming” on the vacation that they went on, she couldn’t fit in the coach seats, couldn’t use her hands, etc.

Isn’t her business in trouble?  I’m so curious about her finances…

I didn't watch it, but this is not a good look. I have no idea if her business is in trouble, but she has a second "upscale" tequila brand, and new businesses do not immediately become successful. A (former) friend, and business partner she borrowed money from for years (2012 to 2018) sued her because she didn't repay him, but her attorneys claim the statute of limitations passed and he can't get his money back!

[Slider]

5 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

I'm curious about the editing of that dinner. One minute they are throwing accusations across the table and Todd looks like he's about to shut the whole thing down, then Angie brings out the stupid, lame, not suitable for the dinner table Newlywed Game, and suddenly they're all laughing and having a great time? Even Todd?  I found it strange 

Yes, it was very strange.  Also Todd made a comment about how Lisa shouldn't have brought up the whole grandparent thing, when it was Angie.  Lisa didn't say a word during that whole convo.

[Crazydoxielady]

Oh lord, Lisa attempting to deflect with Bronwyn and bringing the fault back to Whitney. Just give me a break. Lisa owns nothing and is becoming increasingly tiresome to watch. Her leathery skin in her makeup scenes is *yikes*  

Bronwyn is definitely a confident woman. I wonder how the season one newbie break in will go and how she will return to season two? Will Todd indeed never come on a trip again? Will she have a poop rumba constantly circling her home to pick up all the poopies? Will the diamond necklaces get larger? Will her bunny teeth become chiclet teeth?  I do like her.  I loved her blue skirt set at the race track as well as her dress at her anniversary party. I love her no nonsense hair and lack of plastic surgery. She knows the role she has to play to keep Todd paying the bills and she is willing to play it. The pointed barbs she "jokingly" said in regard to their marriage made it clear, while she was attempting lighthearted humor, she is also weary. It's got to be exhausting to be married to a surly Papa bear. I think over all he is protecting her and Gwen when he shut down the family nonsense. None of that belongs on our television. But he also comes off like a rich asshole. 

I did not miss Heather and her Madam Flowers cheeks one bit this episode.

My heart goes out to Mary. Her son is so lost. I know he recently went to rehab, not sure if still there. Opioids and the major drugs he's using are killers. Mary needs to kick the "wife" out and hold a bottom line or I fear he will be gone. And imagine living his life? The son of his great step grandfather who his mother married, and all the dirty church gossip? Can't have been easy, coupled with being spoiled.... prayers he finds his way. 

Edited November 14 by Crazydoxielady

[dmeets]

This week on Real Husbands of Salt Lake City… the husbands act like a bunch of bee-yotches.

Yea Lisa, clearly the common denominator between the Lisa/Angie and Lisa/Bronwyn arguments is… Whitney. 🙄 I mean, if we’re going to throw a third party under the bus I’d say Heather was more of an interloper there. She fanned the flames of the Angie/Lisa argument and dragged Lisa into her fight with Bronwyn.

Will Lisa stay in Palm Springs indefinitely until she can procure first class? To be continued…

[howiveaddict]

So it's more important to fly first class, than to get home to your child.  Lisa you are a GREAT mother!

[SemiCharmedLife]

12 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

Lisa is a complete a-hole.  Anyone watching the after-show?  She said she was “slumming” on the vacation that they went on, she couldn’t fit in the coach seats, couldn’t use her hands, etc.

Isn’t her business in trouble?  I’m so curious about her finances…

I'm not surprised.  Lisa is so superficial and narcissistic.  If she is not loudly proclaiming how much her jewelry cost, she is insisting that she takes glam with her to Monaco, Paris, etc.  She is clueless about how this makes her seem to the viewing audience.

2 hours ago, howiveaddict said:

So it's more important to fly first class, than to get home to your child.  Lisa you are a GREAT mother!

These kind of moments must be why she is constantly "dissecting" how she is as a mom.

[Glama]

3 hours ago, howiveaddict said:

So it's more important to fly first class, than to get home to your child.  Lisa you are a GREAT mother!

Oh, it's only Henry, you know, who cares. She may have flown coach to see Jack. 

[Pi237]

Lisa’s husband looks like he walks on the sharpest of eggshells around Lisa. Poor guy seems nervous and beat down. If she’s like this With a camera on her, imagine how impossible she is to please at home, alone with her kids. 

[ZettaK]

Seth was rude to Whitney who is annoying regarding her healing journey, but she is not offensive (unless she is charging 20 times more for Alibaba jewelry!). She was angry Justin apologized to Lisa (her facial expression was priceless!). Justin didn't do anything but say that his wife was not a liar. It seems that the blogger who told Whitney about Lisa reneged- Whitney said so in the previous episode and was angry because she thought he was a friend. 

Todd acted like we suspected he would toward Bronwyn: he told her to stop talking (although a personal matter might not be appropriate as a reality show storyline). She seemed eager to continue discussing it. The previews at the end of the episode showed that she would discuss the issues in her marriage.

Todd probably didn't film too much after Palm Springs, especially in group settings. 

He also made rude comments about Lisa's tequila as being mediocre. It's obvious he doesn't like Lisa. 

Another ridiculous game forced by Bravo in this case in order to expose couples' problems. It seems Meredith and Seth are not happy. 

Lisa's comments about hating flying coach were tone deaf. She kept going, and going. She mentioned that she always flew First Class after college. What happened miraculously after college that she could do that? She became the amazing businesswoman she thinks she is today?

Mary's son looks sweet, but lost. 

[JenE4]

On 11/13/2024 at 9:55 PM, politichick said:

I love the diamond necklace. It's simple and the jewels are exquisite. Also really liked her race car frock.

I don’t think “simple” is the word I would’ve used to describe a $4,000,000  necklace, but I suppose “a prime example of why multi-millionaires /billionaires should pay more in taxes” isn’t as succinct. Another descriptor might be “a necklace for which you will get all-out murdered in a robbery.” 

There were a lot of lowlights this episode from the biotch exclamation to the coach conniption—and basically everything in between with Lisa being entirely clueless about how to “apologize.” But I have to say, there was one moment that was pure, joyful entertainment, when early on in the episode John was trying to defend Lisa’s honor and lack of needing to take any accountability and said something like, “it’s over!” And then Bronwyn said in a voiceover that I guess it’s all fixed because John Barlow said so, and the producers rolled the credits. I laughed so hard. Production tried to put some lighthearted moments in, like with the AI-generated, Kenny Loggins-esque Top Gun montage, spraying their men with Pam cooking oil, but that was trying as hard as a wearing a $4,000,000 necklace. But “the okay, problem solved, roll credits” was perfection.

[Sweet-tea]

On 11/14/2024 at 12:47 AM, dancingdreamer said:

Seth, take the cap off, he looked like a goober, with no class. Meredith  could  do better. 

Something is off with him. His voice almost sounded slurred a few times and it wasn't when they were drinking. I'm wondering if he's on pills. 

Lisa's coach freakout was ridiculous, but I didn't understand the hour flight. Weren't they in Palm Springs and headed back to Salt Lake City? That's a lot longer than an hour flight. Unless they weren't in Palm Springs, CA but another Palm Springs? Help me understand. 

I was uncomfortable watching Mary's drug-addled son. I'm surprised he is filming. 

I didn't miss Heather. 

 

[bosawks]

If I was Whitney I’d be holding the fact that on my trip to Milwaukee everyone flew to and back private in my back pocket.

She is our little chaos agent.

Edited November 15 by bosawks

[ZettaK]

1 hour ago, Sweet-tea said:

Something is off with him. His voice almost sounded slurred a few times and it wasn't when they were drinking. I'm wondering if he's on pills. 

Lisa's coach freakout was ridiculous, but I didn't understand the hour flight. Weren't they in Palm Springs and headed back to Salt Lake City? That's a lot longer than an hour flight. Unless they weren't in Palm Springs, CA but another Palm Springs? Help me understand. 

I was uncomfortable watching Mary's drug-addled son. I'm surprised he is filming. 

I didn't miss Heather. 

 

They were in Palm Springs, CA. I wonder if they flew to LAX first, and then took a connecting flight to Salt Lake City.

Edited November 15 by ZettaK

[snarts]

It's 1.5 hours, Delta has three nonstops/day

[RealHousewife]

On 11/14/2024 at 8:15 AM, ZettaK said:

To put some context into the Meredith/Shawn issue:

Meredith who was angry at Angie (she told her among other things she "can leave now" during an earlier season in California) discussed the rumors about the huzzband (Shawn) on tv, and convinced Monica Garcia to repeat them- that Shawn is gay. She then claimed again and again that it was not her who did it because her son is gay, and she would never do that. Shawn was asked in a podcast if Meredith uses her son as a shield to essentially justify her messiness. 

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