S01.E06: I Always Cry at Weddings

[AnimeMania]

When a wealthy family charters The Odyssey for a weeklong wedding cruise, all eyes are on the "bridezilla" as she wreaks havoc; love and lust manage to find their way through the air with sparks flying among the crew.

Premiere Date: Thursday, November 7, 2024    ABC   9pm

MARGO MARTINDALE

KELSEA BALLERINI

[KaveDweller]

Did they really just do an episode where they tried to make a serious message about mental health, then tossed in a threesome, then jumped back to serious message by giving a help number to call?

I could tell they were going to have a threesome as soon as it came up on the bucket list, but it felt so ridiculous. 

Also, how much money does someone have to have to buy out a whole cruise ship for a week?

[buttersister]

WTH was that?

[Elizzikra]

59 minutes ago, KaveDweller said:

Did they really just do an episode where they tried to make a serious message about mental health, then tossed in a threesome, then jumped back to serious message by giving a help number to call?

 

Seriously - what the actual fuck was that?

[iMonrey]

This is crazy but I thought this episode was actually . . . kind of good? I mean, Margo Martindale. Although her sunburn did heal up too quickly. And then an actual suicide. And we're actually going there with the 3-way? Whoa.

They've got me for at least another week, anyway.

[ShowsILoveToHate]

Spoiler

 

I am so freaking angry! I’m out! And I was LOVING show. I refuse to watch sleaze. Sorry, but that’s what I think of 3-somes and so on.  I am SO FREAKING MAD! 😡🤬😡🤬😡🤬😡🤯😡🤯😤😤😤😤😤😤

 

And I can’t get that stupid Spoiler thing off up there. There was no spoiler. I’m just so angry. 
 

Have I mentioned how angry I am? And so very disappointed. 😟😢😤😠😡

[AnimeMania]

Weird, I thought everybody on the Cruise was going to have the fungus, including Margo Martindale. Why was everybody hugging each other, including the medical staff, I thought the fungus was transferred by skin to skin contact.

This episode was just as bad as all the rest.

[Dowel Jones]

I know Margo Martindale has had many excellent roles over the years, but I'm evil, I guess, because as soon as I saw her in the opening, I said "Mags!"  And then the groom-to-be dies.  Heh.

Karma would be if all three of those nitwits show up with ringworm in a week.

[Raja]

11 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

Did they really just do an episode where they tried to make a serious message about mental health, then tossed in a threesome, then jumped back to serious message by giving a help number to call?

I could tell they were going to have a threesome as soon as it came up on the bucket list, but it felt so ridiculous. 

Also, how much money does someone have to have to buy out a whole cruise ship for a week?

Especially after the previously on when the doctor said he was dedicating the remainder of his life to pleasure.  Any thought that the Captain would fire them was all gone this episode. Trouples was seemingly a theme with a couple of shows having their leads in them about 5 years ago. This was like the third threesome situation, but the first with lead characters that I have seen in this young TV season on the over the air broadcast networks.

Few of the passengers showed that kind of money and the wedding party didn't in this episode. The exterior shot of the Odyssey did seem more sleeker and big private yacht like than I remembered from the earlier cruise ship exterior shots 

[sadie]

I have no idea what this show is trying to be? It’s all over the place and not in a good way. It’s been wildly inconsistent and now a threesome with the 3 main characters? WHAT? I wanted a Love Boat type periodical and at times it leans that way but then we get this mess. It was a pretty good ep until the out of nowhere threesome. These people work together and live together on a freaking boat, and now they have had sex together. In no world is that not awkward and they have not set up any of these characters for this to be some inevitable plot? I may be out. 

[Crashcourse]

I enjoyed this episode up until the threesome crap.  

I'll bet there's a shark circling the cruise ship, just waiting for the ship to jump it.

[fastiller]

I repeat: they should just go with a fully open & out/official polycule for doc, two nurses, and chef lady from the previous ep.  They don't need to show anything explicit.

[Crashcourse]

I forgot about the attractive chef lady.  The male nurse was interested in her, so why was that story dropped?  

[Madding crowd]

The medical crew, especially the doctor are as unprofessional as it’s possible to be. I don’t even understand the thought process here. The doctor could have been a handsome single guy with potential love interests on some of the trips. Instead we have the trio who now will be having sex together instead of doing their jobs. 
The rehearsal required the doctor and nurse to be in wedding gear? The welcome dinner was set up exactly like a wedding reception? The cake sat out for two days?

How did the bride have pancreatitis and rare ringworm and be fine a day later? And what happened to finding the guests with ringworm? This whole episode was a mess.
 

 

[fastiller]

9 minutes ago, Madding crowd said:

This whole episode was a mess.
 

 

This whole show is a mess*.  There, FTFY.

 

*But I'll prolly keep watching even so.

[Irlandesa]

The show is a mess.  This episode's tone was a mess.

But I loved the threesome.   In an earlier episode thread, I think I said only a throuple would justify the nonsense with these three.  I'm shocked they actually went there so quickly. 

Now I'm dying to know whether the men exclusively focused on her or if they interacted as well. I own my perviness because this show is a mess that only things like this justify my attention. 

[Raja]

1 hour ago, Crashcourse said:

I forgot about the attractive chef lady.  The male nurse was interested in her, so why was that story dropped?  

It wasn't dropped, a long term crush signaled that this is the time but you have to share me with the doc. And he understood and good enough for him so moved right in before cooler heads changed their minds. Its not like any one else is following canonical rules on sexual activity on the show.

Real world the back ups to the big 4 are slowly being integrated into the scenes. I wouldn't be surprised if the decision to keep the chef around should the show get picked up was made during the filming of her introduction episode.

20 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

Now I'm dying to know whether the men exclusively focused on her or if they interacted as well. I own my perviness because this show is a mess that only things like this justify my attention. 

Judging by the Ken doll interactions I am guessing the doc had fun with both nurses.

[FnkyChkn34]

I expect nothing from this show, and that's what I get.  So it's great!  I'll keep watching.  

I could tell from the very beginning that this was going to be a show that pushed the envelope on absurdity - in many various ways - and we're just getting what we signed up for, I suppose.  It's not a "must watch" for me, but I am often home by and doing nothing by the time it comes on, so why not...

[blackwing]

Well, I was surprised.  As soon as the best man said how much he loved the groom, since this is a Ryan Murphy show, I was convinced the groom was secretly gay.  Especially after Tristan said just that, and then the groom said he was hiding secrets and he was a bad person.

I'm not really sure why the groom killed himself.  I thought he killed himself because he was gay, until bride revealed that she and the best man were having an affair.   Bride then said that she knew he was struggling with mental health.  If so, why didn't they get him some help?  It just seemed like it was out of the blue. 

Also, where were the groom's parents?  Or any family members at all?  How come out of the hundreds of guests in that ballroom, the only people we met were bride, groom, best man, bride's mother, and the random girl who got stuck on the best man?  How come we didn't even meet the maid of honor?

The threesome at the end was not surprising to me.  I feel bad for the chef.  I would prefer if Tristan and chef were together.

[Crashcourse]

41 minutes ago, blackwing said:

The threesome at the end was not surprising to me.  I feel bad for the chef.  I would prefer if Tristan and chef were together.

I hope the chef finds out about the threesome and is no longer interested in Tristan.    

[wanderingstar]

There's the Ryan Murphy I know and love/loathe. Over the top, zooming from one mood to the complete opposite in the same episode, throwing in shocking events for their own sake. I like it right up until I don't.

Sean Teale had responded to a question about whether the 3 main characters would ever be in a throuple by saying, "Well, it IS a Ryan Murphy show." That tickled me, but also, he obviously knew this episode was coming. I've been thinking this is the route they should go with these 3, so I'm glad they did. The threesome was steamy - at least for network TV. Curious to see where it goes from here. 

Margo Martindale almost had me tearing up. She's so good. Felt so bad for Eric.

This episode was tonally all over the place, but that's kind of the vibe of the show, and I'm still enjoying it. 

Edited Friday at 10:57 PM by wanderingstar

[Mountainair]

I’m only really watching this show for Joshua Jackson. I watch a lot of crap tv so I have a low bar. I actually thought this episode was pretty good until the threesome at which point I actually changed the channel. I mean yes I’ll probably still tune in next week but this is not the show I wanted it to be and I’m surprised at the names they get attached to it. Maybe I’ve just had enough Ryan Murphy to last me a while between this, Aaron Hernandez and Menendez. 

[Elizzikra]

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The rehearsal required the doctor and nurse to be in wedding gear? The welcome dinner was set up exactly like a wedding reception? The cake sat out for two days?

That whole thing was ridiculous. The bridesmaids also were in matching gowns but the groomsmen were in shorts? And the wedding cake, which did sit out for days, was sort of a dark grey/black? I hope that's not a new trend; it didn't look like anything I would actually want to eat.

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I'm not really sure why the groom killed himself.  I thought he killed himself because he was gay, until bride revealed that she and the best man were having an affair.   Bride then said that she knew he was struggling with mental health.  If so, why didn't they get him some help?  It just seemed like it was out of the blue. 

Again, all over the place. Dr. Odyssey diagnosed him as a sex addict, though that's not usually something with a high suicide rate. Then he had a panic attack. And the bride alluded to his mental health issues. It was all over the place. I think the groom committed suicide because that where they wanted the story to go but it wasn't set up at all. It made no sense.

I have no problem with a three way, as long as everyone is a consenting adult. But it's unbelievable how awkward and cringey that scene was given how fundamentally attractive the three actors are. And I thought it was really tone deaf to go from suicide, to a "steamy" sex scene to the black screen of "if you need help, here's where to get it." 

This whole show is a mess, yet somehow I just keep tuning in. Go figure.

[SoMuchTV]

6 hours ago, Madding crowd said:

The rehearsal required the doctor and nurse to be in wedding gear? The welcome dinner was set up exactly like a wedding reception? The cake sat out for two days?

Now that’s what I’m here for!  So much stuff that makes no sense, but the cake was what I really had questions about. This show is so ridiculous and apparently that’s what I need. 

[kaygeeret]

How in heaven's name did this thing get approved.

It's so stupid I find it difficult to laugh at or make fun of.

If it's a comedy where are the laughs?  If it's a drama where is the drama?

Talk about stupid tv.  This wins the oscar.

[Raja]

1 minute ago, kaygeeret said:

How in heaven's name did this thing get approved.

It's so stupid I find it difficult to laugh at or make fun of.

If it's a comedy where are the laughs?  If it's a drama where is the drama?

Talk about stupid tv.  This wins the oscar.

A pretty doctor living out his fantasies on the love boat, who is the network programmer who would turn that down 

[KaveDweller]

19 hours ago, iMonrey said:

This is crazy but I thought this episode was actually . . . kind of good? I mean, Margo Martindale. Although her sunburn did heal up too quickly. And then an actual suicide. And we're actually going there with the 3-way? Whoa.

I thought the storyline with the bride and groom was really good and enjoyed the episode up until the end. It was a weird episode to add the threesome angle.

[Dowel Jones]

On top of all that, Kelsea Ballerini's agent probably told her she has a casting call.  "It's a wedding episode where the happy couple have this beautiful, perfect relationship that blows up in their faces.  You wouldn't mind doing a few confessional scenes, would you?"

[txhorns79]

1 hour ago, KaveDweller said:

I thought the storyline with the bride and groom was really good and enjoyed the episode up until the end. It was a weird episode to add the threesome angle.

It was like they didn't know how to end the episode, so they just threw a bunch of ideas in a hat and picked one.  The abrupt shift in tone did not work, and it felt like they were almost making light of what happened before.   

I also didn't understand Margo Martindale apologizing for being so awful to the crew during the week?  Was something cut?  I recall her being pleasant throughout the episode.  

Finally, I still don't understand how this ship only seems to have two nurses and one doctor who are on duty 24/7 throughout the cruise, but all three seem to have all this free time to participate in wedding rehearsals, laying out by the pool, etc.

[KaveDweller]

8 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:

I also didn't understand Margo Martindale apologizing for being so awful to the crew during the week?  Was something cut?  I recall her being pleasant throughout the episode.  

Yeah, I don't remember her being awful either. The daughter was kind of a bitch, so maybe she felt responsible for that.

[AnimeMania]

2 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

2 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

I also didn't understand Margo Martindale apologizing for being so awful to the crew during the week?  Was something cut?  I recall her being pleasant throughout the episode.  

Yeah, I don't remember her being awful either. The daughter was kind of a bitch, so maybe she felt responsible for that.

Margo Martindale was a horrible person during the wedding rehearsal, yelling instructions at all the crew people who were standing in for the bride, groom and guests.

[seacliffsal]

I thought this episode was off-kilter in that it tried to deal with a really serious issue (the suicide) but then tried to go for the laughs (really, eating the wedding cake because one 'heard' that they were going to throw it away? having the medical staff stand in for the bride and groom?).  And, then introducing the threesome when one of the ongoing story lines has been that male nurse really likes female nurse but she doesn't really care for him.  Does female nurse not think about the ramifications of 'well, I said I wasn't interested but I really am...' or some such thing.  

If the show is going to be nonsense, then just be nonsense.  Don't try to have an afternoon special moment and then go back to nonsense.  And, I agree with others that they didn't really build a background for the suicide.  Oh, and what about the medical staff making assumptions about sexual preferences/behaviors and then treating them as fact?  They were so sure about the groom being gay/bi and then were shocked, shocked I tell you, about the bride having the affair with the best man (which does not preclude the groom being gay/bi).

[iMonrey]

On 11/8/2024 at 11:25 AM, fastiller said:

This whole show is a mess*.  There, FTFY.

Oh it's a total mess. And I agree the tone was see-sawing in this episode. But my biggest grievance with the show has been this dumb triangle between Max, Avery and Tristan. I really didn't expect them to do a three way, that took me totally by surprise. And if they have to do something with these three a prefer the three-way to the dumb triangle. 

[Soapy Goddess]

6 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

introducing the threesome when one of the ongoing story lines has been that male nurse really likes female nurse but she doesn't really care for him.  Does female nurse not think about the ramifications of 'well, I said I wasn't interested but I really am...' or some such thing.  

I always had the impression that she didn't care for him as a romantic interest. IOW, someone she could be with long term and even consider marriage.

Let's face it, a threesome is nothing more than sex and cheap thrills. And if it's something on your bucket list, and you trust those partners, I say go for it!

[KaveDweller]

7 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

They were so sure about the groom being gay/bi and then were shocked, shocked I tell you, about the bride having the affair with the best man (which does not preclude the groom being gay/bi).

For all they knew, the bride, groom, and best man could have had a threesome too!

But in fairness, the groom's reaction when confronted about the sex addiction felt like he was so ashamed, I assumed it was due to also being gay/bi. Especially after he killed himself. It felt like too much to just be about sex addiction, but clearly he had other issues. 

[Elizzikra]

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Let's face it, a threesome is nothing more than sex and cheap thrills. And if it's something on your bucket list, and you trust those partners, I say go for it!

And right after Dr. Max had given his big speech about wanting his life to have meaning and for the ripples of his life to extend far and wide...

Nothing about this show really hangs together well. I could just as easily watch for the eye candy with the sound turned off.

[Irlandesa]

23 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

It was like they didn't know how to end the episode, so they just threw a bunch of ideas in a hat and picked one.  The abrupt shift in tone did not work, and it felt like they were almost making light of what happened before. 

I suspect they wanted to play around with the aftermath of the threesome during the gay cruise episode (think of that what you will) but figured the threesome needed some buildup that couldn't be accomplished if they opened that episode with the threesome so they tacked it onto this one.  It probably needed the time they took to get there that wouldn't work during the first 10 minutes of an episode so I kind of get their choice.  I just think they should have saved the serious themes for another episode and instead did something silly like the wellness cruise episode.

9 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

And, then introducing the threesome when one of the ongoing story lines has been that male nurse really likes female nurse but she doesn't really care for him.  Does female nurse not think about the ramifications of 'well, I said I wasn't interested but I really am...' or some such thing. 

He likes her more than she likes him, but they have already kissed during the second episode. The question we should be asking is if Dr. Odyssey is thinking of the ramifications of sleeping with both of his underlings at the same time.

I have to admit, I know the theory is that this is all his COVID fever dream but I am so curious about how they're going to wrap the season.  Are they going to let the audience in on it, basically telling them that every crazy thing we see isn't real in future seasons (if there are future seasons?)  Or is he going to wake up and this will be a completely different show next season?

[Raja]

10 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

I have to admit, I know the theory is that this is all his COVID fever dream but I am so curious about how they're going to wrap the season.  Are they going to let the audience in on it, basically telling them that every crazy thing we see isn't real in future seasons (if there are future seasons?)  Or is he going to wake up and this will be a completely different show next season?

On one hand folks got real mad at the ending of Lost, on the other pro  wrestling took off to its apex when they dropped the kayfab an said its just a show

[emma675]

What the hell was that??

I don't even know where to start, it was such a mish mash of weird swings between serious and absurd. I'm not even sure why I still watch this show, yet here I am.

[Soapy Goddess]

7 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

I have to admit, I know the theory is that this is all his COVID fever dream but I am so curious about how they're going to wrap the season.  Are they going to let the audience in on it, basically telling them that every crazy thing we see isn't real in future seasons (if there are future seasons?)  Or is he going to wake up and this will be a completely different show next season?

I'm hoping for the latter!

[debbie311]

Oh well, my bad, I had no idea who Ryan Murphy is, I googled him and realize he is into dark and kinky.  Not my thing.  I'm really disappointed in this show, I thought it would be kind of a fun escape, rich people on a cruise with some medical stuff thrown in.

I'm really sorry they had to go in this direction.  Not everyone is comfortable watching a threesome. And in this case, the doctor is their boss, their supervisor, which is not only wrong but stupid. In the "real world" which of course this is not, all three of them could and should be fired off the ship.

We'll be deleting this off our DVR and going back to Law and Order on Thursday nights.  As another poster already said, I think this show has jumped the shark.

[Chit Chat]

9 hours ago, debbie311 said:

Oh well, my bad, I had no idea who Ryan Murphy is, I googled him and realize he is into dark and kinky.  Not my thing.  I'm really disappointed in this show, I thought it would be kind of a fun escape, rich people on a cruise with some medical stuff thrown in.

The only one I knew of was Don Johnson.  Ugh to this storyline.  It crossed the line for me too.  See y'all on other forums!!  

Edited Monday at 03:22 AM by Chit Chat
typo

[Dowel Jones]

11 hours ago, debbie311 said:

all three of them could and should be fired off the ship.

I'm sure the entertainment director has a suitably large catapult somewhere on the ship, or perhaps an air cannon.  Great season finale stunt!

[Chit Chat]

8 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

I'm sure the entertainment director has a suitably large catapult somewhere on the ship, or perhaps an air cannon.  Great season finale stunt!

Arr! Walk the plank, mateys!

Their love triangle distracts from the show, which was not that great anyway.  This was a bridge too far for me.  I'm done!

[fastiller]

1 hour ago, Chit Chat said:

Arr! Walk the plank, mateys!

 

Pirate Week?

[Raja]

20 minutes ago, fastiller said:

Pirate Week?

Is it too close to 9-1-1 already doing that before it lead into their Poseidon Adventure

[Crashcourse]

I'll see how this season ends but after that, I'm done.  

[iMonrey]

22 hours ago, debbie311 said:

I think this show has jumped the shark.

I thought it jumped the shark in the pilot. The only thing left to see is how many other sharks it can find to jump.

On 11/10/2024 at 2:15 AM, Soapy Goddess said:

I have to admit, I know the theory is that this is all his COVID fever dream

I honestly don't think it is. I don't think that's a sustainable premise over multiple seasons. I think it's just a hand wave for very, very bad writing, as if it's the only that that would explain such ridiculous writing. Other than, say, bad writing.

[Mindthinkr]

I saw this last night (streaming) and watched. I was wondering how many of you were going to have big reactions to the threesome storyline. The episode was all over the place for me. It would have been better suited for a 2 hour movie of the week type of show. With all the jumping around not one issue (the fungus, sex addiction, suicide) was satisfactorily resolved other than the unexpected scene at the end in the Doctor’s suite. I think that Ryan Murphy was testing the waters to see how much he could be get away with during a prime time show. 

[Chit Chat]

1 hour ago, Mindthinkr said:

I was wondering how many of you were going to have big reactions to the threesome storyline.

I was already tired of the 'will they' or 'won't they' with these three, and then having it turn into a threesome was just unnecessary.  Again, it distracts from the show, which is a bit of a trainwreck anyway.

I guess they're going for shock value, but in this day and age, talking about and acting on the idea of a threesome is just a big yawn.  Do something original!