S04.E10: My Best Friend’s Wedding

[peeayebee]

2 hours ago, Chit Chat said:

It was sitting on the sidewalk to begin with, then Howard picked it up!

I rewatched the opening and only saw Howard carrying it.... Oh wait. I see. It was on the sidewalk at the very beginning. Good catch, Chit Chat!

[Chit Chat]

1 hour ago, peeayebee said:

I rewatched the opening and only saw Howard carrying it.... Oh wait. I see.

I had to watch it twice to make sure I saw it correctly before I posted!! Things move quickly on this show and it's easy to miss something.  

Vince & Rudy got to do a 'ding dong!'  I wonder if that little gem will carry on to the next season!  I'd like to see the Westies from time to time.  I wonder if Mabel will stay in the studio apartment.  It could be really cute if it were fixed up. 

We still didn't learn what the terms of her deal with Bev Melon was.  Maybe that will play into next season when we learn that she secured enough money to afford an apartment there.  

[bettername2come]

For some reason I thought this was the last season so I was shocked there was a dead body in the end. And relieved! Poor Lester, though, he didn't deserve that ending. 

Meryl Streep and Martin Short really do have fantastic chemistry. I admit, I kind of want the rumors of them dating to be true. The wedding was great, with Charles and Mabel walking Oliver down the aisle, then the sons walking Loretta. I also loved the random bit of Oliver dancing with his son in the montage. It was adorable. And I was overjoyed to see Winnie the bulldog again. Where has she been? Has she been staying with Will?

I really liked how they emphasized the friendship between Charles and Sazz and talked about how Sazz was nice to everyone. It's so very different from most Jane Lynch characters. It's refreshing.

I have to admit, I didn't care all that much about the murderer, no offense to Jin Ha, who put in a good performance. Jan's always going to be the best murderer on the show, as she proved in this episode.

 

[Aryanna]

That fuzzy pink dress they had Selena wearing? No. No. Just no. Does the costumer have it out for her? She's been put in some really unflattering outfits this season. And she's such a pretty lady. She looked so much cuter in the sweater and skirt in the final scene.

Loved the wedding bouquet. So pretty.

I really felt the friendship between Charles and Sazz this season. I've never been much of a fan of Jane Lynch but she did well here.

[chaifan]

Kudos to those who knew something was off about Marshall from the beginning.  And kudos to the writers for having us all believe that 2 people were involved in Sazz's murder. 

I don't quite understand why Marshall got rid of Sazz's body.  That doesn't seem to be his original plan.  "tap in" really didn't end up being a meaningful clue.  I assume she was trying to implicate Marshall as a fellow stunt man, but I'm not 100% convinced that was it.  Either way, Marshall could have just made sure Sazz was dead and then left her there. 

I also want to know what deal Mabel made with Bev when she signed the movie contract.  It wasn't the podcast thing, and they made enough about it that it just being money doesn't make sense. 

I'm glad the wedding went off without a murder or other problem.  Does anyone know if they used the real Arconia (can't remember the name of the real building) courtyard to shoot that, or if that was a set?  It was quite beautiful. 

Part of me wishes that Oliver left with Loretta for NZ, just Mabel and Charles finding Lester, and then Oliver coming back to help investigate the murder.  I can buy Oliver not moving immediately, but not going to NZ with Loretta the day after their wedding seemed weird.  And, Mabel could have moved into Oliver's apartment while he was gone.  I'm assuming she'll take Dudenoff's apartment, but I'm hoping we're done with the Westies.  I don't know how they'll be allowed to stay at this point - they have to be facing multiple criminal/fraud charges.

I hope next season they trim the cast down a bit.  It was a bit bloated this season.  I want them to go back to a real actor moving into the penthouse. 

 

[roseha]

Well I'm not sure how to summarize everything. Pros: it was a good ending, the explanation of the murder more or less made sense given dramatic license and all that.  Loretta didn't die at the wedding - I had a feeling she wouldn't when the show started to tease about the possibility.  I hadn't thought of a long distance marriage being possible but they can certainly write it in if there is only another season or two.  The Westies are probably going to re-appear maybe?  Richard Kind is always funny.

Cons: I hated to see Lester dead.  I wish they would leave open the idea of the victim not necessarily being a building regular (as in Season 3).  And I was hoping that Sazz might be alive, no such luck.  Jane Lynch did get a real chance to shine though especially in the finale.  And maybe it was inevitable but this last ep just wasn't that much fun, especially with the re-enactment of Sazz' murder and then Jan killing Marshall on top, then Lester's gory death scene.

Overall I  really do hope next year they drop the celebrity guest stars, especially actors playing themselves.  It created so much filler that really slowed the story down.  Ron Howard was okay but the three actors in the movie took up so much time and I was sure they couldn't be involved under their own names.

I guess we will never find out how Bev Melon knew about Sazz' playground/getaway?

Edit:  I knew I forgot something but the scene with Tea Leoni asking for their help looked so familiar, was it somehow quoting from a famous film noir or something like that?

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 02:08 AM by roseha

[Chit Chat]

1 hour ago, Aryanna said:

That fuzzy pink dress they had Selena wearing? No. No. Just no

I thought it was one of her better-looking outfits!  The color was pretty on her.  I thought Meryl looked pretty too in her wedding dress.  The set decoration for the wedding was also beautiful.  

[kay1864]

Yes, Martin Short was totally standing on a box, looking 2 to 3 inches taller than Meryl Streep. He’s 5’ 7, she’s 5’ 8.

I missed it, why did Sazz write TAD on the floor?

[bybrandy]

I assumed that Saz learned about Duedenoff’s apartment because she was observing Charles and the gang while writing her script. 

[bybrandy]

29 minutes ago, kay1864 said:

I missed it, why did Sazz write TAD on the floor?

She didn’t she wrote tap in which is what she’d say to Charles when she took his place on set. 

[Quilt Fairy]

I've never thought of Winnie's poisoning as a plot hole.  Jan was a poisoner, I assumed she poisoned WInnie to scare Oliver.  And I thought Jan put the note on her own door, just to be thorough.  I mean, she stabbed herself, writing a note doesn't seem a stretch. 

How come Winnie gets to go to the wedding but Gravey doesn't?  At least, I don't remember seeing Gravey, except in the opening credits. 

[Yeah No]

15 hours ago, Suzn said:

I believe you've identified the problem with this season.  I found it very disappointing. The overload of guest cast was squeezed in to no real purpose.

There is no excuse for Mabel being so dumb as to confront the killer!  .

I agree on both points. I think the plot suffered from the bloated guest cast. I love seeing a few of them around, and some here were put to good use, but others just seemed to be excess distraction we didn't really need. And to quote an old adage, "too much of a good thing leaves one wanting.....less".

13 hours ago, Snapdragon said:

Eh, that was okay.  I feel that the writing got very lazy this season.  Sazz knowing about the Dudenoff place (complete with passcode!), for instance.  They could have taken a few minutes to explain that in an earlier episode.  Have one of the Westies mention that she used to join their Oh Hell games occasionally.  More reason for one of them to be a suspect.  Instead, it's just awkwardly shoved into the Marshall/Rex's explanation for how he pulled the murder off.  

Yes, it's stuff like this that bugs me because it would have taken so little to tie up how certain connections were made this season and your suggestion would have really helped. It would take so little and it's boggling why they didn't do it.

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I'm assuming next season will be the "fill the plotholes" season, with an explanation for how put cameras everywhere, poisoned Winnie and left a note for Jan.  They're going to have to introduce a bunch of new residents to the building though, cuz at this point, all that's left is Howard and Irma.And Loretta being all, "We can just live apart" doesn't really jive with her character from last season.  She was shown as being pretty lonely so no, I don't feel that she'd want to live apart from her husband or son she'd only recently re-connected with.  

I hope they address the plot holes next season but I'm not holding my breath.

I think the new residents are the Westies and perhaps if Mabel continues to live in the Dudenoff apartment we may see more of them. This episode helped to set them up as being a support to our trio.

But I agree about killing off the OG residents. At this point I fear for Howard and Irma! We've already had too many residents killed, it's time to cut that out.

5 hours ago, chaifan said:

I don't quite understand why Marshall got rid of Sazz's body.  That doesn't seem to be his original plan.  "tap in" really didn't end up being a meaningful clue.  I assume she was trying to implicate Marshall as a fellow stunt man, but I'm not 100% convinced that was it.  Either way, Marshall could have just made sure Sazz was dead and then left her there. 

He said something about her not being dead so he went over there to finish her off. But carrying her body away didn't seem necessary, I agree with you and that's the kind of stuff that nags at me and makes me feel like the show is deliberately trying to throw the audience off, which I don't appreciate. And yes to the "tap in" reference. Vague and not of much help. 

[Snapdragon]

2 hours ago, Yeah No said:

 

He said something about her not being dead so he went over there to finish her off. But carrying her body away didn't seem necessary, I agree with you and that's the kind of stuff that nags at me and makes me feel like the show is deliberately trying to throw the audience off, which I don't appreciate. And yes to the "tap in" reference. Vague and not of much help. 

Especially since writing "Rex" would have been much easier and way more helpful.

[cardigirl]

4 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

I've never thought of Winnie's poisoning as a plot hole.  Jan was a poisoner, I assumed she poisoned WInnie to scare Oliver.  And I thought Jan put the note on her own door, just to be thorough.  I mean, she stabbed herself, writing a note doesn't seem a stretch. . 

Jan told Charles she didn't poison Winnie.  And there were two notes, one on Oliver's door and one on Jan's. While she might have lied about poisoning Winnie (the way it was done leads me to believe she wasn't), there was no reason for her to put a note on her door. There was no payoff for her.

I still see it as a plot hole, something indicating there was someone other than who we've seen watching the trio. 

 

[luna1122again]

18 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Ditto. And she looked terrific! Eat your heart out, Duchovny!

She and DD are still on good terms, apparently....I'd love if he played the missing husband next season. 

[peeayebee]

10 hours ago, Aryanna said:

That fuzzy pink dress they had Selena wearing? No. No. Just no.

I agree. The color was ok, but I did not like the design of the dress. I didn't think it looked all that good either.

 

10 hours ago, chaifan said:

I don't quite understand why Marshall got rid of Sazz's body.  That doesn't seem to be his original plan.   

True. I understand him going over there because she was still alive, but why move the body? Fanwanking here: Maybe after telling himself he wasn't a killer, and then realizing he actually was, he then panicked. Or maybe he got rid of the body to sort of clear his conscience. Getting rid of the evidence was in a way clearing it from his mind, erasing the guilt.

I also wonder how he knew about the incinerator. When this was brought up in a thread from an earlier ep, I said the person (if a non-resident) could have heard about it from a resident or just simply have been aware of these old buildings having them. But that doesn't seem to fit with Marshall. For one thing, he seems too young to have generally known about incinerators in buildings.

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"tap in" really didn't end up being a meaningful clue.  I assume she was trying to implicate Marshall as a fellow stunt man, but I'm not 100% convinced that was it.

I agree. It's POSSIBLE that she was using a stuntman term, but that's not really helpful. Maybe she didn't mean for it to be a clue. Maybe in her dying mind what was happening was like a stunt, although when she spoke to Marshall she sounded coherent. It would have been nice if she'd written his name Rex (like @Snapdragon said) but when the trio use the luminal, the word is smeared and perhaps looks like something else, leading them in the wrong direction.

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I also want to know what deal Mabel made with Bev when she signed the movie contract. 

I kept expecting this to be revealed, but I got the impression from something Mabel said to Bev in this ep that she was going to be a producer.

 

10 hours ago, roseha said:

Edit:  I knew I forgot something but the scene with Tea Leoni asking for their help looked so familiar, was it somehow quoting from a famous film noir or something like that?

Yes. I thought she sounded like a femme fatale from a film noir (like The Maltese Falcon) coming to the detective's office.

7 hours ago, kay1864 said:

Yes, Martin Short was totally standing on a box, looking 2 to 3 inches taller than Meryl Streep. He’s 5’ 7, she’s 5’ 8.

Hmm, when I looked it up, it said that Streep was 5'6" and Short was 5'8". Really surprised me because I'm 5'7" and always thought Short was shorter than me.

 

[Aryanna]

I appear to be in the minority here. I enjoyed this season. More so than last.

One of the things they did with this season that I found interesting is that they made it personal by the victim being Chalres' friend. A lot of times on whodunit shows they never really think about or consider the victim. They just need a body in order to get the plot started. It's a bit morose. It's never viewed as a real person. 

[chaifan]

Have there been any time jumps during or in between the seasons?  If I'm remembering right, each season has flowed right into the next.  So maybe the show has covered a year or so in the past 3 years.  That's a lot of murders in a really short time. 

[SnapHappy]

10 hours ago, Chit Chat said:

I thought it was one of her better-looking outfits!  The color was pretty on her.  I thought Meryl looked pretty too in her wedding dress.  The set decoration for the wedding was also beautiful.  

I loved that dress on Selena, she pulled it off perfectly.  And agreed, Meryl's dress was lovely, but it was a little too close to her skin tone.  That ivory should have been a touch more golden, but I liked her hair too, with the wrapped braids & a few flowers.  Slightly Bohemian without going hippie.  

I'm totally satisfied with the ending. 

But they better not bring back Zack, Eva and Eugene.  They need to be done with this show!

[kay1864]

1 hour ago, peeayebee said:

Hmm, when I looked it up, it said that Streep was 5'6" and Short was 5'8". Really surprised me because I'm 5'7" and always thought Short was shorter than me.

You’re right. Dammit Siri!

Still, she was def wearing flats in that scene. Or Marty/the director wanted him to wear lifts/above-average heels.

[Affogato]

35 minutes ago, chaifan said:

Have there been any time jumps during or in between the seasons?  If I'm remembering right, each season has flowed right into the next.  So maybe the show has covered a year or so in the past 3 years.  That's a lot of murders in a really short time. 

And in one building! I’m thinking a little more time has been covered. Sazz writing the script would take time, Mabel's renovation would take time and her relationships. Getting the movie to that point. 

[Yeah No]

21 hours ago, peeayebee said:

So Jan = deus ex machina. Not sure how I feel about that.

I still wonder how Marshall knew Sazz would be in Charles's apt.

I'm with on on this. If the show keeps us in the dark about a lot of the killer's backstory until the last minute we're only going to suspect those people they are mum about for the most part, or who appear and then disappear. And it kind of takes away from it for me because why tease us with all these pseudo-clues if they're not going to get us anywhere anyway? It's frustrating and unnecessary, in my opinion.

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I still wonder how Marshall knew Sazz would be in Charles's apt.

It looked to me like he was keeping an eye on Charles' apartment because he knew Sazz was going to go there eventually and he just happened to catch her walking in.

1 hour ago, peeayebee said:

I agree. The color was ok, but I did not like the design of the dress. I didn't think it looked all that good either.

I agree about Mabel's dress. The color was great on her but the style and shape in my opinion did not suit her. I liked Meryl's dress, though, but the color did kind of wash her out and should have been a different shade.

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Hmm, when I looked it up, it said that Streep was 5'6" and Short was 5'8". Really surprised me because I'm 5'7" and always thought Short was shorter than me.

I do NOT trust the internet for male stars' heights, especially shorter men because it's never consistent from site to site and can vary several inches. I've had this happen when looking up a lot of other stars - men I KNEW were 5'6" were being listed as 5'10" on some sites. On one show in particular, a male star's male costars towered over him but they were listed at 5'11" (which I could believe) and he was listed in a few places as being 5'10" and there was NO WAY that was the case!

[dgpolo]

33 minutes ago, SnapHappy said:

But they better not bring back Zack, Eva and Eugene.  They need to be done with this show!

I wouldn't mind Eva coming back, with another Chekhov's Gun.

What exactly did Sazz know about the Westies, and how do we know she knew it? Sorry my memory isn't what it was and I just can't remember this.

[Yeah No]

1 minute ago, dgpolo said:

What exactly did Sazz know about the Westies, and how do we know she knew it? Sorry my memory isn't what it was and I just can't remember this.

I'm not exactly sure who mentioned it (was it Marshall?) and what it referred to because it was so briefly mentioned and recently revealed, but I'm here to confirm for you that it's not your memory that's to blame, it's the show for not letting us know that she knew about the Dudenoff apartment until the very last episode. And the show didn't even get specific about how she knew or to what extent.

[cardigirl]

1 hour ago, chaifan said:

Have there been any time jumps during or in between the seasons?  If I'm remembering right, each season has flowed right into the next.  So maybe the show has covered a year or so in the past 3 years.  That's a lot of murders in a really short time. 

 

34 minutes ago, Affogato said:

And in one building! I’m thinking a little more time has been covered. Sazz writing the script would take time, Mabel's renovation would take time and her relationships. Getting the movie to that point. 

Well, between seasons 1 and 2, not much time elapsed, as Bunny was killed after they solved Tim Kono's murder, and they jumped right back into podcast mode.  Between seasons 2 and 3, there was a year; I even think it says that at the end of season 2 because Oliver has been directing a play and getting it ready for Broadway, and Mabel has been finishing her aunt's apartment. Between seasons 3 and 4, again, not much time because Sazz is killed during the opening night party, and the trio jumps right back into podcast mode again. I would guess a total of 2.5 to 3 years. Others may calculate it differently.

21 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

I'm not exactly sure who mentioned it (was it Marshall?) and what it referred to because it was so briefly mentioned and recently revealed, but I'm here to confirm for you that it's not your memory that's to blame, it's the show for not letting us know that she knew about the Dudenoff apartment until the very last episode. And the show didn't even get specific about how she knew or to what extent.

But Helga told the trio that she and Sazz had been communicating by ham radio. So there is that connection, where Sazz could have known about the rental scam and Dudenoff. But I agree, the show didn't emphasize that.

[Snapdragon]

1 hour ago, cardigirl said:

 

Well, between seasons 1 and 2, not much time elapsed, as Bunny was killed after they solved Tim Kono's murder, and they jumped right back into podcast mode.  Between seasons 2 and 3, there was a year; I even think it says that at the end of season 2 because Oliver has been directing a play and getting it ready for Broadway, and Mabel has been finishing her aunt's apartment. Between seasons 3 and 4, again, not much time because Sazz is killed during the opening night party, and the trio jumps right back into podcast mode again. I would guess a total of 2.5 to 3 years. Others may calculate it differently.

 

I think it's more like a year and a half.  Each season is probably taking place over a few weeks to maybe a couple months, so if you add one year for the time between seasons 2 and 3, plus one to two months per season, you're looking at a year and a half to a year and eight months.  That's one reason why this whole "Oliver can't move to New Zealand because of his bond with Charles and Mabel" doesn't work for me.  Like, you've been friends two years max.  They could have at least said he didn't want to miss out on time with his grandkids or something.

Edited Wednesday at 04:01 PM by Snapdragon

[catherinejane]

i enjoyed it overall.

But why did marshall not kill Sazz in california? when she said she would go to New yotrk and tell charles tomorrow (obv they need A MURDER IN THE BUILDING) but that made no sense. Easier to kill someone there and then, than some complex cross country, shoot from another appartment idea!

 

[Affogato]

19 minutes ago, catherinejane said:

i enjoyed it overall.

But why did marshall not kill Sazz in california? when she said she would go to New yotrk and tell charles tomorrow (obv they need A MURDER IN THE BUILDING) but that made no sense. Easier to kill someone there and then, than some complex cross country, shoot from another appartment idea!

 

Well, Sazz may have physically been more intimidating. And his original plan was to sniper her on the street, and he was not as well known in NY. He was not even as well known as associated with Sazz. 

[chaifan]

12 minutes ago, Affogato said:

And his original plan was to sniper her on the street,

So here's what doesn't make sense...  I agree, they showed that as his original plan.  But Dudenoff's apartment faces the courtyard, not the street.  How was he watching her come in the front door and aiming for her from D's apartment?

 

[roseha]

3 hours ago, luna1122again said:

She and DD are still on good terms, apparently....I'd love if he played the missing husband next season. 

I have a feeling the missing husband will turn out to be dead, but as we saw this season he could certainly appear in flashbacks!

[Chit Chat]

2 hours ago, chaifan said:

But Dudenoff's apartment faces the courtyard, not the street.  How was he watching her come in the front door and aiming for her from D's apartment?

Maybe he was in a hotel room across the street?  When that failed, he had time to make his way into the Arconia. 

[peeayebee]

2 hours ago, chaifan said:

So here's what doesn't make sense...  I agree, they showed that as his original plan.  But Dudenoff's apartment faces the courtyard, not the street.  How was he watching her come in the front door and aiming for her from D's apartment?

At first I thought Sazz was somehow entering thru the courtyard, but I just rewatched that sequence, and it was on the main street. So, yes, this is a big boo-boo.

I think we need Mabel to do a rewrite.

[Snapdragon]

3 hours ago, chaifan said:

So here's what doesn't make sense...  I agree, they showed that as his original plan.  But Dudenoff's apartment faces the courtyard, not the street.  How was he watching her come in the front door and aiming for her from D's apartment?

 

More lazy writing.  Also, how did Marshall know about the incinerator?  Actually, now that I think about it, how did he get into the building in the first place?  Was Lester away from his desk?  It couldn't have been using the secret tunnels as those weren't discovered until season 2 and Sazz's script only covered season 1.  Bah, the more I think about it, the more this season is a mess.

[Yeah No]

6 hours ago, cardigirl said:

But Helga told the trio that she and Sazz had been communicating by ham radio. So there is that connection, where Sazz could have known about the rental scam and Dudenoff. But I agree, the show didn't emphasize that.

You're right, I forgot that Helga said that, but it was easy to forget because the show just dropped that on the floor and didn't pursue it. Why didn't the trio grill Helga more about her communication with Sazz? My mind boggles at how many of these loose ends they let hang that could have given them more information. It's like the show didn't want these characters to solve the murder. It made them act like clueless bystanders until "presto-change-o", suddenly they stumble upon the murderer by accident.

[dgpolo]

Did anyone else think it was kinda dumb for Marshall to text the guys and tell them exactly where he was?

[Snapdragon]

57 minutes ago, dgpolo said:

Did anyone else think it was kinda dumb for Marshall to text the guys and tell them exactly where he was?

Yes.  It was also dumb that they weren't suspicious when Mabel didn't text them back in the first place, since they thought someone was actively trying to kill them.  Also, call the cops!  For the love of all that's holy, the cops have trained snipers who could have taken Marshall out from Charles's apartment.  

[Affogato]

1 hour ago, Snapdragon said:

Yes.  It was also dumb that they weren't suspicious when Mabel didn't text them back in the first place, since they thought someone was actively trying to kill them.  Also, call the cops!  For the love of all that's holy, the cops have trained snipers who could have taken Marshall out from Charles's apartment.  

Well, Jan iis one hell of a shot for a bassoon player. 

[SourK]

Eh. I still like this show, but I would have found it more interesting if Marshall had been a talented writer who had legitimate grievances with Hollywood instead of a pretender full of sour grapes.

Also, I felt like it was kind of cheap to have Jan just shoot him from the window. I really liked the Amy Ryan performance in the first season, but that's a character who doesn't serve a purpose anymore. And having Jan kill Marshall doesn't symbolize anything or advance the themes of the story -- it's just, like, a way to get out of that scene.

I'm also kind of weirded out that they drew attention to the plot holes from season one and acted like this season would retcon them into the mystery and then... didn't do that at all? Like, I had forgotten all that stuff about notes and poisonings, and I was briefly impressed that they were going to make it relevant somehow, and then I was like, "Why even bring it up?"

[peeayebee]

11 hours ago, SourK said:

Eh. I still like this show, but I would have found it more interesting if Marshall had been a talented writer who had legitimate grievances with Hollywood instead of a pretender full of sour grapes.

But if he was a talented writer, then he wouldn't have had motivation to steal Sazz's script. The show would also have to drop the stuff about the rewrites not being good like the original script was.

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I'm also kind of weirded out that they drew attention to the plot holes from season one and acted like this season would retcon them into the mystery and then... didn't do that at all? Like, I had forgotten all that stuff about notes and poisonings, and I was briefly impressed that they were going to make it relevant somehow, and then I was like, "Why even bring it up?"

Yes! I assume that was kind of a meta thing. The writers were aware of viewers' complaints about plot holes, so they did a wink-wink to us. But like you I found it irritating that they just teased with it.

[ItCouldBeWorse]

On 10/29/2024 at 2:20 AM, Yeah No said:

So Jan was hiding in the building in the secret passageways the whole time. I'm sure I saw someone here theorize that and yet none of our trio or the police even mentioned Jan after she appeared and then disappeared and wondered where she was and what she might have to do with anything going on there after she turned up in Charles' apartment? I feel like so much was dropped on the floor this season never to be tied up. I know this show has never been that realistic but this season was kind of over the top unrealistic. It spent so much time on red herring characters it kind of forgot what it was supposed to be all about - solving a murder.

The detective mentioned a possible siting of Jan after the shooting at the photo shoot (although that was probably not accurate). She said the police were looking for her.

I'm more interested in if Jan waited to use the bathroom until Charles was out of the apartment, was she taking turns in other apartments connected to the tunnels, or was she using the actual tunnels? Has she showered in all this time? (She wasn't wearing the outfit she changed into at Charles's apartment after changing out of the guard's brain-splattered shirt.)

 

[chitowngirl]

23 hours ago, Affogato said:

Well, Jan iis one hell of a shot for a bassoon player. 

One can be proficient in multiple areas! 😃

[slowpoked]

So Charles was never the target after all. One of the red herrings that worked on this uneven season.

I still like this season, even though I agree with most of you that it’s bloated with all of the celebrity casting. I mean, I kinda get the point of Sazz’s stuntman side plot, but did it really have to be Paul Rudd?! 

But when they “went Hollywood” this season, I guess it’s kinda to be expected.

I like the Westies side plot because it gave us a glimpse into the other people who lived in the building, since the Arconia is huge. It wasn’t realistic that we would only see Howard, Uma, Irma and Lester as their neighbors in such a large building. Speaking of neighbors, no Teddy and Theo this season? I didn’t think they were also in S3.

I also miss semi-regulars like Tina Fey (who was great in small doses). And Detective Williams couldn’t be there for 2 mins at the end to congratulate the trio yet again for solving the murder? Whatever happened to Charles’ daughter Lucy?

For a minute there I thought Tea Leoni was Gillian Anderson. I hope S5 will be a “back-to-basics” season with Loretta in NZ, and Paul Rudd finally gone. I agree with an earlier post that it would have been a better ending for Oliver to go with Loretta to NZ first for a planned short honeymoon or even just some downtime to be with his new bride, and have only Charles and Mabel find Lester. Then they call Oliver about the murder which gives him “reason” to come back.

[paigow]

9 hours ago, slowpoked said:

For a minute there I thought Tea Leoni was Gillian Anderson. 

The Bev Melon casting solution would be to hire both of them... And Mitch Pileggi as the missing husband 

Edited 1 hour ago by paigow