S18.E.14: High Tea & High Tension

[Natalie68]

5 hours ago, Pi237 said:

Emily grabbing the desert trays for the room and sheer joy on the boat ride erase all that fake-crying 'you gave me a size 12!!' nonsense.  She'd be the most fun to travel with. She always seems up for anything.

Can we Please stop sexually harassing customer service personnel?! Aren't we evolved now to the point where we realize how disgusting that behavior is? Switch genders and tell me its ok.

Shannon's cute with all her swag, but the hats reminded me of Rusty getting embarrassed on the Eiffel Tower in National Lampoons European Vacation.

I find it gross, inappropriate and beneath grown ass women.

5 hours ago, Pi237 said:

Shannon's 'I'm working on myself' was embarrassing, but Tamra laughing at her was so mean. So nasty. So Tamra.

I take this to mean hiding her phone when she is drunk so she doesn't call her castmates incessantly and cry.  TBH, I haven't watched yet 🤣. I want them BOTH gone.

5 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

You can be an A type personality, and still be an empathetic person. (I am also a A type). Heather's empathy seems to start and end with her children. She says she moved to BH because she found OC to be conservative and closed minded. But Heather, while maybe not conservative and closed minded, is very judgmental and cold.

With regards to Shannon's DUI, she made a snide comment in a TH that no one goes to a bar to order a mocktail. (Just one of many snide comments regarding Shannon). She commented that Emily's size 12 dress that she wore at the fashion show was tight. She commented that Katie's backstory was interesting but that she isn't. I know they all make snide comments, but I find Heather's to be especially mean considering she does not extend to other people the empathy and respect (that they certainly should be given) she expects others to give to her kids. I wonder what her kids think about her coldness and snide comments?

 

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[Natalie68]

1 hour ago, Atwood said:

I feel like I'm the only person on the internet that has zero sympathy for Shannon. She drove drunk and then pretended that she was walking her dog, who was in the car that she crashed while driving drunk. She obviously guilted her boyfriend at the time into giving her a fairly sizable loan, and no matter how gross he is she is just as gross for weaselling out of paying it back. She should have paid it back before the statute of limitations was coming up and none of this would have become public. I don't feel sorry for her that he had to sue her in order to get the money back, 75k is a lot of money. Even for someone with high income. She's having a tough year because of her own awful decisions and she's going to keep getting drunk and doing dumb shit because everyone enables her. 

Tamra this season is sort of like Ramona was most of time; usually right but her terrible delivery turns people off.  

<swoon> MY PERSON!!!!! Not one goddam bit of sympathy from me. Her drinking problem has been a storyline her entire tenure on this show and her histrionics are old and like hammers to my temples.

[Keywestclubkid]

1 hour ago, Atwood said:

I feel like I'm the only person on the internet that has zero sympathy for Shannon. She drove drunk and then pretended that she was walking her dog, who was in the car that she crashed while driving drunk. She obviously guilted her boyfriend at the time into giving her a fairly sizable loan, and no matter how gross he is she is just as gross for weaselling out of paying it back. She should have paid it back before the statute of limitations was coming up and none of this would have become public. I don't feel sorry for her that he had to sue her in order to get the money back, 75k is a lot of money. Even for someone with high income. She's having a tough year because of her own awful decisions and she's going to keep getting drunk and doing dumb shit because everyone enables her. 

Tamra this season is sort of like Ramona was most of time; usually right but her terrible delivery turns people off.  

Oh thank god my people 

12 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

<swoon> MY PERSON!!!!! Not one goddam bit of sympathy from me. Her drinking problem has been a storyline her entire tenure on this show and her histrionics are old and like hammers to my temples.

Yay there are more of us around here .. 

[RealHousewife]

34 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Shannon and her ever evolving story’s bug me ..

 

side rant :

 

why not just tell John fuck you and release the tape.. IF she honestly told us what happened that night why wouldn’t she just call his bluff and move on? It kills 2 birds with one stone proves he’s a liar and proves her retelling of events is what actually happened I’m really lost here 

I get tbh. Once that footage is out there, it's out there forever. We may know the gist of it, but it's still not the same. I would be mortified too. 

[Cosmocrush]

10 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I just can't get the warm fuzzies for Jenn because she is a clueless teenager  masquerading as an adult. My apologies to clueless teenagers for comparing them to Jenn. 

Same.  At what point does she finally recognize her own privilege and decide to actually grow up and take some responsibly for herself, including her health, and her kids. 

[Pi237]

Take vile Tamra out of the equation, and my sympathy for Shannon plummets. I don’t think she should be raked over the coals, but she’s changing her story in bits and pieces and getting enraged when asked about it.  I wonder if Tamra, for once, wasn’t lying and Shannon actually was asking her to say negative things about John so that Shannon could play dumb?   John’s still slime for refusing to sign a mutual non-disclosure agreement, If it’s really about the money. Shannon’s not as innocent as she’s trying to present herself to be. And honestly, I’m finding her very tiresome this season. Not as much as Alexis and Tamra, of course. 

[Keywestclubkid]

7 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

I get tbh. Once that footage is out there, it's out there forever. We may know the gist of it, but it's still not the same. I would be mortified too. 

But literally if all she was doing is sitting in her car then “accidentally” put the car in reverse (then the story starts falling apart) we know that’s not what really happened.. Shannon knows that’s not what really happened.. she doesn’t want to face what actually happened and own up to it .. she can’t even admit that she had a problem drinking .. so all this accountability talk is bunk cause she doesn’t want to be accountable she wants to be seen as the “good girl” that doesn’t hit houses 

[RealHousewife]

12 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

But literally if all she was doing is sitting in her car then “accidentally” put the car in reverse (then the story starts falling apart) we know that’s not what really happened.. Shannon knows that’s not what really happened.. she doesn’t want to face what actually happened and own up to it .. she can’t even admit that she had a problem drinking .. so all this accountability talk is bunk cause she doesn’t want to be accountable she wants to be seen as the “good girl” that doesn’t hit houses 

Oh of course we know that's not really what happened. I agree with you there. I still feel bad for her because Alexis and Tamra just seem so vindictive. 

[Palimelon]

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I wonder if Tamra, for once, wasn’t lying and Shannon actually was asking her to say negative things about John so that Shannon could play dumb?

The thing is, HWs use each other for this all the time. One could also ask is Alexis telling Tamra to say negative things about Shannon with regards to both the DUI and lawsuit stuff?

Then again, Tamra is such a vile hosebeast that she probably doesn't need anyone to prod her into saying anything, she will just volunteer to do it on her own accord.

[RealHousewife]

21 minutes ago, Pi237 said:

Take vile Tamra out of the equation, and my sympathy for Shannon plummets. I don’t think she should be raked over the coals, but she’s changing her story in bits and pieces and getting enraged when asked about it.  I wonder if Tamra, for once, wasn’t lying and Shannon actually was asking her to say negative things about John so that Shannon could play dumb?   John’s still slime for refusing to sign a mutual non-disclosure agreement, If it’s really about the money. Shannon’s not as innocent as she’s trying to present herself to be. And honestly, I’m finding her very tiresome this season. Not as much as Alexis and Tamra, of course. 

I think it's the whole punishment doesn't fit the crime thing. It reminds me of Lisa Vanderpump on BH. Did I see the other women's issues with her? I sure did. I still think they took their treatment of her too far. Most of us don't want to see a gang-up, and you don't have to be a perfect victim for the audience to have sympathy for you and be on your side. 

[Keywestclubkid]

7 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

Oh of course we know that's not really what happened. I agree with you there. I still feel bad for her because Alexis and Tamra just seem so vindictive. 

And I think that’s why Shannon needs to actually thank them .. without them SHE would be the TOTAL focus .. honestly if Alexia wasn’t on she wouldn’t have anything deflecting from her shit show .. Bravo knows what they were doing 

[Palimelon]

But she kind of is the main focus of the season, she just has sympathy.

[Keywestclubkid]

18 minutes ago, Palimelon said:

But she kind of is the main focus of the season, she just has sympathy.

Because Alexis is there giving her something to be sympathetic for .. without that no one would be coddling this woman who’s story’s keep changing 

[Natalie68]

29 minutes ago, Palimelon said:

But she kind of is the main focus of the season, she just has sympathy.

I don't mean this to sound mean, but sympathy is for victims.  Not victims of their own actions. IF her alcohol problem had not been known since 2014 and had not been a constant theme, maybe some sympathy (itty bitty amount). Alexis is a tool but as Shannon said, John tried to strategize with her as well.  Not so nice being on the other foot. This didn't just happen.  Tamra is who she is.  Shannon was fine when they teamed up against others (like Heather last year) so she knows exactly who she is dealing with.

[Stats Queen]

1 hour ago, Natalie68 said:

I don't mean this to sound mean, but sympathy is for victims.  Not victims of their own actions. IF her alcohol problem had not been known since 2014 and had not been a constant theme, maybe some sympathy (itty bitty amount). Alexis is a tool but as Shannon said, John tried to strategize with her as well.  Not so nice being on the other foot. This didn't just happen.  Tamra is who she is.  Shannon was fine when they teamed up against others (like Heather last year) so she knows exactly who she is dealing with.

It’s just that Tamra is taking such joy in her nastiness and it is non stop from her. Can’t even have a meal without attacking her.

Shannon, doesn’t have my sympathy for her actions, but Tamra has my anger for making the show so nasty and awful.

Edited October 11 by Stats Queen

[Natalie68]

Just now, Stats Queen said:

It’s just that Tamra is taking such joy in her nastiness and it is not stop from her. Can’t even have a meal without attacking her.

Shannon, doesn’t have my sympathy for her actions, but Tamra has my anger for making the show so nasty and awful.

I agree.  Tamra is horrid and I am tired of her being so nasty. I would be very happy with both Shannon and Tamra gone. Both have a habit of having a target every year.

What Shannon should have done re Alexis is not reacted. Treated her as though Alexis wasn't a threat or bothering her.  Not because she is friends with her or wants to be, but to take the power away from J and A. Outsmart the petty.

[Palimelon]

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Because Alexis is there giving her something to be sympathetic for .. without that no one would be coddling this woman who’s story’s keep changing 

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I don't mean this to sound mean, but sympathy is for victims.  Not victims of their own actions. IF her alcohol problem had not been known since 2014 and had not been a constant theme, maybe some sympathy (itty bitty amount). Alexis is a tool but as Shannon said, John tried to strategize with her as well.  Not so nice being on the other foot. This didn't just happen.  Tamra is who she is.  Shannon was fine when they teamed up against others (like Heather last year) so she knows exactly who she is dealing with.

Regardless of the how and why of it all, she still has sympathy this season.

[dancingdreamer]

14 hours ago, Palimelon said:

I like Katie overall, but c'mon...both she and her daughter seemed to think England was on the European mainland.

They didn't  seem to know about the chunnel.

[Carolina Girl]

3 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Shannon and her ever evolving story’s bug me ..

 

side rant :

 

why not just tell John fuck you and release the tape.. IF she honestly told us what happened that night why wouldn’t she just call his bluff and move on? It kills 2 birds with one stone proves he’s a liar and proves her retelling of events is what actually happened I’m really lost here 

I'm with you.  

[Wicked]

I swear to god this is the same penthouse the NY housewives stayed in!!!  Now I need to rewatch to be sure

[Pondlass1]

5 hours ago, Marley said:

 

No to that boat ride. The Thames is dirty as fuck & that boat was splashing around so much lol.

From Google re the Thames.. check for yourselves 

Despite the stubborn perception that the river is dirty and lifeless, this is no longer the case. The Thames is currently one of the cleanest city waterways in the world.

I’m born and bred in London.  It’s the best city ever!  Great pubs and clubs and restaurants.

Hope the girls have a fun time and it doesn’t rain too much.

[Cosmocrush]

8 hours ago, MaggieG said:

Also they keep talking about how Shannon should just pay John and why is she buying us expensive gifts when Shannon did

These OC HWs  seem to constantly counting someone else’s money; Emily continuously obsessing over Jenn’ financials and now Tamra with Shannon’s bank account.    I know these women have zero class by definition of being a HW but  I don’t see the BH hws gossiping about money, unless maybe Erika’s ill gotten gains.  
 

Besides, that’s OUR job!  😁

[Cosmocrush]

1 hour ago, dancingdreamer said:

They didn't  seem to know about the chunnel.

Yes.  Katie did understand she COULD take a train from London to Paris but got hung up on discovering England was part of Great Britain which is an island country. 

Still, the lack of curiosity about a place she's going to visit says more than not knowing in the first place.  

I love the idea of watching these women trying to point out a destination on a map/globe. 

[Wicked]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this episode would have been so much fun if it weren't for Tamra. (and Heather this time too, who I usually will defend) Why does Tamra think "bring it" means bring the evil???  I would much rather see them all having a good time in London

[ZettaK]

21 hours ago, pythonite said:

Seemed to me that Jeff Lewis was the friend who told her that. They were rehashing 'the scandal' for his podcast. They are good friends.

btw, Lewis used to despise Heather, I don't know if he still does.

Shannon was on Watch What Happens Live yesterday, and Andy Cohen mentioned that Jeff Lewis and Shannon had a falling out because of those podcasts. Shannon didn't deny it. It seems it was about her behavior on the dating reality show (too), where she was a nightmare. Shannon also changed the subject regarding the reality show. Link below about Shannon and Jeff Lewis' falling out because of her contradictory statements. They were close friends for many years. They are both from the OC.

https://realityblurb.com/2024/10/11/rhocs-shannon-beador-shares-john-janssens-new-request-to-settle-lawsuit-if-she-signed-promissory-note-and-what-was-in-email-plus-falling-out-with-jeff-lewis-contradictory-statements-and-i/

Edited October 12 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

20 hours ago, pythonite said:

Seemed to me that Jeff Lewis was the friend who told her that. They were rehashing 'the scandal' for his podcast. They are good friends.

btw, Lewis used to despise Heather, I don't know if he still does.

He is fine with Heather. They reconciled.

19 hours ago, dancingdreamer said:

I thought  I was overreacting,  but her smug, trashy looking face makes me so angry. I don't  think  anyone  in that group  likes her. 

I thought Shannon offered  the money, and JJ and his  sidekick said no to it. Or did I dream that. 

I really  think both Shannon  and Jenn heard Heather  say yay, and assumed it was over her results not Gina's. Well done  Heather, getting  those women to have a mammogram,  I did feel sorry for her,  that nobody asked. . Women are still scared to get mammograms, I took my sil, who is petrified. 

That boat ride looked  like fun, Emily enjoyed  it.  I like their hotel as well. 

Shannon offered half. She said yesterday on Andy Cohen's Watch What Happens Live that John wants her to say that he was generous during their relationship (they were in court for the lawsuit in September), and he would drop the lawsuit, but she refuses to do it.

Edited October 12 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

6 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

But Shannon wasn't drinking anything alcoholic, so take that Tamra. And Heather too. 

Of course Shannon was drinking, like every time they film. She ordered Belvedere (vodka brand) and soda, her favorite drink. 

7 hours ago, Atwood said:

I feel like I'm the only person on the internet that has zero sympathy for Shannon. She drove drunk and then pretended that she was walking her dog, who was in the car that she crashed while driving drunk. She obviously guilted her boyfriend at the time into giving her a fairly sizable loan, and no matter how gross he is she is just as gross for weaselling out of paying it back. She should have paid it back before the statute of limitations was coming up and none of this would have become public. I don't feel sorry for her that he had to sue her in order to get the money back, 75k is a lot of money. Even for someone with high income. She's having a tough year because of her own awful decisions and she's going to keep getting drunk and doing dumb shit because everyone enables her. 

Tamra this season is sort of like Ramona was most of time; usually right but her terrible delivery turns people off.  

You're not the only one. 

Edited October 12 by ZettaK

[amarante]

12 hours ago, snarts said:

 

Loved Gina's cheat of hiring glam and then copying what they do so you don't need them anymore. Just wish she's do the same with a stylist :)

I don't understand why anyone would call this a scam

It is how many makeup artists work. You go for a session and you do half your face so you can duplicate it.

I can't believe they are flying people from LA so I assume that they are just hiring makeup and hair people locally. Still isn't cheap to have it done.

The irony is that the ones who do their own look just as good as the glam squad people.

The only time it is noticeably different is when the hair would be impossible to do on your own. Erika Jayne used to have looks that could only be done by a third party because it would have been physically impossible to style the hair on your own. 

[Tiggertoo]

I was just rewatching season 15, the covid season.  Shannon had just met John.  She was truly annoying, screeching and crying about getting covid. So I definitely go through times when I dislike her.  I just think she’s good housewife material in all her messiness. Interesting she said she met John when she was out somewhere and they closed the place down.  I wonder if it was The Quiet Woman?!

I forget if I read it here or on Twitter, but someone wrote that Heather and Tamra most likely planned that mammogram discussion ahead of time. Makes perfect sense.

[Palimelon]

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They didn't  seem to know about the chunnel.

That seemed to catch them in a logic loop.

"There is a train from London to Paris"

"But England is on an island"

"But there is a train from London to Paris"

"But England is on an island"

"But there is a train from London to Paris"

"But...."

[Sweet-tea]

18 hours ago, Carolina Girl said:

I'm starting to wonder if Eddie's coming to that conclusion himself.

 

I  don’t understand how he lives with her. Is she completely different and actual human off camera?

[65mickey]

11 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Shannon offered half. She said yesterday on Andy Cohen's Watch What Happens Live that John wants her to say that he was generous during their relationship (they were in court for the lawsuit in September), and he would drop the lawsuit, but she refuses to do it.

She is an idiot. Pay half, say he was generous while they were dating and be done with it move on. Or pay the attorney thousands of dollars and still end up paying $75,000 just because she is stubborn and has to have her way.  Then she can continue to cry have melt downs and garner sympathy from friends and fans. Maybe this is her goal. Because what else is she going to have as a storyline? 

[Tiggertoo]

Now I’m truly confused. I thought she originally offered half, but when she heard about the video, she went back and offered to pay the full amount.  He refused because of the non disparagement clause and that’s when he sued her. Am I wrong?  If so, I’d say he’s petty and stupid to have turned down the offer. 
 

And how believable would it be if she complied and suddenly started praising his generosity. I think that ship has sailed. 

[Keywestclubkid]

 

[Juneau Gal]

Other than she must need the money and attention, I’ll never understand why Shannon signs on for this abuse. From the very start of her time on this show she has been the whipping boy; some times deservedly so, often not. 
It’s frustrating and unpleasant to watch as she spits and sputters and stutters over her words, unable to truly defend herself. So much of all of this she could have so easily shut down if she had the ability to just speak calmly and forcibly. Guess that’s no easy feat when you are pickled from the Belvedere. 
I’m around the age of these women, the older ones, and for the life of me I cannot think of a time I have ever screamed at, viciously confronted anyone, let alone a supposed friend. This behavior is beyond my ability to comprehend. 

[Keywestclubkid]

9 minutes ago, Juneau Gal said:

Other than she must need the money and attention, I’ll never understand why Shannon signs on for this abuse. From the very start of her time on this show she has been the whipping boy; some times deservedly so, often not. 
It’s frustrating and unpleasant to watch as she spits and sputters and stutters over her words, unable to truly defend herself. So much of all of this she could have so easily shut down if she had the ability to just speak calmly and forcibly. Guess that’s no easy feat when you are pickled from the Belvedere. 
I’m around the age of these women, the older ones, and for the life of me I cannot think of a time I have ever screamed at, viciously confronted anyone, let alone a supposed friend. This behavior is beyond my ability to comprehend. 

I am gonna say this one last time and I’m gonna stop beating the dead horse 

 

Shannon has learned how to weaponzie white woman fragility.. she will cry to deflect and act like a wounded bird and people fall for it .. she has used this from her first season .. I am sorry my sympathy for this woman is gone .. 

 

she has been caught in so many “half truths” that she cries and says how dare you and suddenly it’s not about her lying it’s about u questioning her and it’s flipped on you .. that is a talent that is what she does that is how she has weaponized fragility .. trust me my mother is a master of the same game 

Edited October 12 by Keywestclubkid

[Chatty Cake]

Tamras behavior is much worse than Shannon’s DUI. 

[dmeets]

51 minutes ago, Chatty Cake said:

Tamras behavior is much worse than Shannon’s DUI. 

I have to disagree with that. Tamra’s an asshole, but being an asshole doesn’t run the risk of killing someone. Shannon and Archie surviving and nobody else being hurt doesn’t make the DUI any better. Especially when Shannon learned nothing and continues to drink like it’s no big deal. Sadly I think it’s only a matter of time before she gets back behind the wheel after a couple of Belvederes.

I’m starting to think Tamra and Shannon may have planned this falling out to get the heat off of Shannon. Tamra clearly doesn’t mind being seen as a villain. If they reconcile by the end of the reunion I’ll know for sure.

[bravofan27]

3 hours ago, dmeets said:

 

I’m starting to think Tamra and Shannon may have planned this falling out to get the heat off of Shannon. Tamra clearly doesn’t mind being seen as a villain. If they reconcile by the end of the reunion I’ll know for sure.

Tamra's disdain and hate is too real, and Shannon's reaction is too emotional and uncontrolled to be fake, IMO. Tamra knows Shannon is easy to trigger and will easily get camera time and a major blow up. Shannon's nervous system is very easily activated, plus, she's used to using alcohol to deal with emotions, so she goes to get a drink as soon as someone riles her up. Shannon would be good to learn some more healthy coping behaviors. 

[snarts]

4 hours ago, Chatty Cake said:

Tamras behavior is much worse than Shannon’s DUI. 

100%

Good people make mistakes.  Tamrat chooses day in & day out to be the absolute worst version of herself: a vile, conniving asshole who derives joy from tearing others down.

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[UsernameFatigue]

29 minutes ago, snarts said:

100%

Good people make mistakes.  Tamrat chooses day in & day out to be the absolute worst version of herself: a vile, conniving asshole who derives joy from tearing others down.

Tamra's vileness can be summed up in two words : naked wasted. 

I also believe that Tamra has a drinking problem every bit as bad as Shannon's, maybe worse. It's one of the reasons I think Tamra is going hard at Shannon, to deflect from her own problem. Mind you Tamra doesn't have to be drunk to be vile, she just is.

When your husband has to go to the host of a party and ask him to stop serving you, you have a problem. 

[Slider]

On 10/11/2024 at 2:21 PM, Natalie68 said:

Woah. Could she be more tone deaf (or stupid)? Two evictions and she is bringing GLAM? 

I think Katie brought glam and offered her to join as well.  She and Katie seem close, so I could definitely see that being the case.

[lasu]

I wouldn't say Tamra's behavior is worse than Shannon's DUI. I would say Tamra's behavior makes her a worse *person* than Shannon and her DUI.

[65mickey]

Tamara choosing every day to be a vile conniving asshole does not run the risk of killing someone. However Shannon choosing to drive while 3x over the legal limit of alcohol consumption does. So no I would  in no way say that Tamara's behavior is worse than Shannon's DUI and wreck. If Shannon's behavior was a one and done I might cut her a tiny bit of slack.  But her drinking has been a problem since her first season on this show. And she refuses to see that she has an alcohol problem and get help. 

 

 

 

 

 

[QQQQ]

It's interesting to watch each HW's trauma response(s) when under excessive stress:

• Flight: Might look like constantly checking exits in public spaces, avoiding crowded areas, or feeling an urgent need to leave uncomfortable social situations.
• Fight: Might manifest as irritability, argumentativeness, or a quick temper.
• Freeze: Characterized by a state of physical and cognitive immobility. The body becomes rigid, and the mind may experience a sense of detachment or dissociation.
• Fawn: Characterized by excessive people-pleasing, difficulty setting boundaries, and a tendency to prioritize others’ needs over one’s own. Individuals exhibiting a fawn response may be overly compliant, struggle with assertiveness, and have a deep-seated fear of abandonment or rejection.

[nichelle]

3 hours ago, Slider said:

I think Katie brought glam and offered her to join as well.  She and Katie seem close, so I could definitely see that being the case.

Correct. It was Katie’s glam.

[Dr Mama]

16 hours ago, Juneau Gal said:

Other than she must need the money and attention . . .

I think she needs the money--both the direct paycheck and the attention that gives her other opportunities to make money.

Her divorce settlement was really not enough to maintain the lifestyle she had been living, and I'd guess she has spent most of the lump sum already on expenses and business ventures. And her monthly payments end in 4.5 years, so she really needs to make money while she can.

[Pi237]

On 10/12/2024 at 11:11 AM, Juneau Gal said:

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It’s frustrating and unpleasant to watch as she spits and sputters and stutters over her words, unable to truly defend herself. So much of all of this she could have so easily shut down if she had the ability to just speak calmly and forcibly. Guess that’s no easy feat when you are pickled from the Belvedere. 
 

She has always been the worst at defending herself in a fight. There’s always long pauses while her brain is trying to form a sentence which gives her opponent way too much time to interrupt and derail her train of thought.  Could be booze + menopause or that’s just how she is. But yes, it’s always so hard to watch her thought process start and stop and stall out.

[tranquilidade]

I think the   promisory note actually proves the money was a gift.  The promisory note is given first and when signed the borrower gets the money.  Sending it after giving the money  means that when it was actually handed over it wasn't  by definition  a loan unless clearly  stated with some way of proving the conversation happened.   I bet he gave it to her and they then had a fight and so he sent the promisory note to her but it doens't sound like she ever signed it.  It looks like gift and a stupid move on his part.

Edited October 13 by tranquilidade

[JenE4]

15 minutes ago, tranquilidade said:

I think the   promisory note actually proves the money was a gift.  The promisory note is given first and when signed the borrower gets the money.  Sending it after giving the money  means that when it was actually handed over it wasn't  by definition  a loan unless clearly  stated with some way of proving the conversation happened.   I bet he gave it to her and they then had a fight and so he sent the promisory note to her but it doens't sound like she ever signed it.  It looks like gift and a stupid move on his part.

But even Shannon said he sent the promissory note within days of giving her the money, presumably ASAP from his lawyer. If she truly thought it was a gift and had no intention of paying it back at that time, wouldn’t she have immediately transferred the money back to get out of the financial obligation? I think she was okay with taking a loan from her boyfriend (and maybe she thought they were getting married any day now so she would never really have to pay it all back, despite agreeing to do so), but as soon as he dumped her, she got bitter and started bean-counting everything she spent on him to justify getting out of paying him back. He broke her heart, in her mind that’s worth $75k; how dare he expect the money back after devastating her?