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S05.E26: Co-Parenthood


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I know a girl like Leah with cell phone labels and such. She's 25 and still thinks of relationships in terms like we would have at maybe 12. Her fiance is "_____ love of my life and future husband" in her phone. It's ridiculous. Nice girl and all, but definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed.

I go pretty far (ok ridiculously far) in the other direction. Even my family members are listed by full first and last name. What can I say? It's a left over habit from working in political and non-profit offices where I spent half my life making up never ending mailing lists. Everyone was always put in address books in very formal ways because you're always sending invites and fundraising letters and so on. I get having your parents listed as Mom and Dad or your husband in as The Hubs or a nickname or something, but My Husband and Best Friend or My Psychiatrist? It's like she thinks she's going to forget who they are or (more likely) she wants anyone who sees her phone ring to be reminded of how dramatic her life is.

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Jenelle's version of love seems to be a pretty warped version of normal people's version of love, but just the same, I'd believe she loves Jace, despite her near-total disinterest, more than I'd believe Adam really loves Aubree. He acts moderately fond of her at most.

 

I really agree with the above. I think Jenelle does "love" Jace but I think she's so drugged out most of the time she really doesn't get what that means. Adam seems to love Aubree as an accessory. It's horrible to think it (someone save me a spot on the bus to hell?) but you know those little dogs young women carried around in purses for awhile? I think that's how Adam sees Aubree... maybe how Jenelle sees Jace too. It makes me extremely sad. At least in Aubree's case she has a Mom and grandpa who love her dearly.  Jace has someone who takes care of him, but seems like he looks like he's hurting a lot.

 

When Leah went to call Jeremy about the custody papers her phone had a listing for "My Psychiatrist" so I assume at one point she's seen one.  Of course, does Leah know the difference between a psychiatrist, psychologist, and counselor?  Probably not (a lot of people don't) so I wouldn't put too much stock in it.

 

Ha... considering my own (former) primary care doc didn't know the difference I can see how Leah wouldn't.

 

Kail's house was 215,000 dollars per www.realtor.com.

 

Leah and Jeremy's house I'm not real sure but it was upper 100,000 to 200,000.  I don't know when they bought it but it kept being delisted.  I wonder what they made off of it, if anything.  http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1742-New-Hope-Rd_Elkview_WV_25071_M49150-81626?row=10

 

These girls living in 200,000 dollar homes is crazy to me.  

 

I guess I'm jaded living where I do in California... I was thinking "holy crap a house for $200k?"  - thinking that was low, not high. That's a fixer-upper on a pretty small lot where I live.

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I'm a mixture. I prefer to list people formally, by first and last name. It makes it easier to sync phone contacts with my internet contacts. But certain places (like my doctors' offices etc) just won't so I will label them accordingly. I see a therapist myself, and her office is just listed as "Therapist" in my phone. I see it as more of a privacy thing.

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Kail's house was 215,000 dollars per www.realtor.com.

Leah and Jeremy's house I'm not real sure but it was upper 100,000 to 200,000. I don't know when they bought it but it kept being delisted. I wonder what they made off of it, if anything. http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1742-New-Hope-Rd_Elkview_WV_25071_M49150-81626?row=10

These girls living in 200,000 dollar homes is crazy to me.

I usually think these girls make really dumb decisions, but for Kail and Javi I think the price od their house is reasonable if they paid 215, 000. That's what we paid for our house and we have a VA loan, our payment after taxes and insurance is $1, 219 a month which is reasonable. Of course, if they stopped wasting money on SUV's and Mercedes then they should have been able to pay cash with Kails teen mom money.

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most military couples I know have expensive-ish homes (I'm from CA too so $200,000 seems average to me). I've never been sure why since they move around so much and are always implying money is tight, but there you go. Maybe it's part of the military culture to buy instead of rent or enlisting or re-enlisting bonuses make it possible? I don't really know. Anybody out there that's been in that can shed light? Is $200,000 a lot for their circumstances (Javi's rank in DE)?

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She probably doesn't know the difference, but only a psychiatrist can prescribe medication.

In Australia: 

Psychiatrist= Medicine degree (either undergraduate or postgraduate)+ specialisation. Focuses on treatment via medicines- can prescribe medication.

Psychologist=Undergraduate (4 years)+ masters degree (2 years either thesis or coursework)+placements. Focuses on treatment via therapy- cognitive behavioural being a major one.

Counsellor= Undergraduate (3 years). I don't really know what they do. Honestly they seem to me to be a less qualified psychologist.

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For Javi's rank, I would think $200,000 seems like a lot.  I don't know what the cost of living is like in Delaware, but we military folk get a housing allowance.  This amount varies according to the cost of living for the city you're stationed in.  For example, when we lived in Alaska and Germany, the housing allowance was significantly more than when we lived in Kentucky.  I really do think VA has factored in his Teen Mom money, of course, they could have put a down payment on that house too, which obviously would lower that house payment into something that fits in with his housing allowance.

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Kail's house was 215,000 dollars per www.realtor.com.

 

Leah and Jeremy's house I'm not real sure but it was upper 100,000 to 200,000.  I don't know when they bought it but it kept being delisted.  I wonder what they made off of it, if anything.  http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1742-New-Hope-Rd_Elkview_WV_25071_M49150-81626?row=10

 

These girls living in 200,000 dollar homes is crazy to me.  

Where I'm from (Perth, Australia) it is practically impossible to buy a house for double that...

 

 

She had it labeled My Psychiatrist? Like Dr So&So wouldn't jar her memory? Can she really not remember which Dr is hers? Of course she also has to remind herself that Jeremy is My Husband And Best Friend. God she really is an 8 year old trapped in a 22 year old body that looks 40. Seriously, that new haircut isn't doing her any favors.

Really? It couldn't potentially be a privacy thing?

 

 

I wonder if Corey is listed in there as "Corey Tyler!!!"

I list my husband by his full name...

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In Australia:

Psychiatrist= Medicine degree (either undergraduate or postgraduate)+ specialisation. Focuses on treatment via medicines- can prescribe medication.

Psychologist=Undergraduate (4 years)+ masters degree (2 years either thesis or coursework)+placements. Focuses on treatment via therapy- cognitive behavioural being a major one.

Counsellor= Undergraduate (3 years). I don't really know what they do. Honestly they seem to me to be a less qualified psychologist.

In the USA (I think and usually)

Psychiatrist=MD. 4 year undergrad, 4 year medical school + residency.

Psychologist=PHD. 4 years undergrad, 4 years doctoral program. Not an MD, can't prescribe.

Councilor=usually 4 year undergrad, 2 year masters, although I don't think there is any actual definition or licensing board that oversees who calls themself a councilor.

I doubt Leah knows the difference and I could see her labeling any mental health professional as a psychiatrist. I remember on the first couple of 16 & Pregnant seasons every other girl wanted to be a Vet. If they talked about it for a hot minute it became clear none of them knew a Vet was a medical doctor and required 8 years of highly competitive college. They were all talking about being a Vet Tec or a Vet Assistant. Leah reminds me of all those girls.

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I guess I'm jaded living where I do in California... I was thinking "holy crap a house for $200k?" - thinking that was low, not high. That's a fixer-upper on a pretty small lot where I live.

I don't know which part you're from but here in the Bay Area, that might get you a fixer upper condo.

I was shocked that they got those houses for so cheap!

Just to throw in my 2 cents. My phone is very informal. I call my daughter Sis so she's in my phone under "Sis Cell" "Sis work" etc. I only use nicknames unless its my Dr's number or something. And then I don't write "My Doctor".

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Where I'm from (Perth, Australia) it is practically impossible to buy a house for double that...

Really? It couldn't potentially be a privacy thing?

I list my husband by his full name...

I could see privacy concerns, I really can. I just think in that case I would just use Dr So&So, like my dentist and my chiropractor. I think labeling it My Psychiatrist defeats the purpose of privacy laws. After all the point is to protect the privacy of the patient, not the doctor. I doubt her doctor cares if everybody under the sun knows they're a mental health professional, but Leah might care if everyone knows she's seeing one. But I guess she doesn't and she shouldn't. It's nothing to be ashamed of. I just think it's a weird thing to define the type of medicine all your doctors practice in your phone book, like you're going to forget or be confused as to why they're calling.

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I could see privacy concerns, I really can. I just think in that case I would just use Dr So&So, like my dentist and my chiropractor. I think labeling it My Psychiatrist defeats the purpose of privacy laws. After all the point is to protect the privacy of the patient, not the doctor. I doubt her doctor cares if everybody under the sun knows they're a mental health professional, but Leah might care if everyone knows she's seeing one. But I guess she doesn't and she shouldn't. It's nothing to be ashamed of. I just think it's a weird thing to define the type of medicine all your doctors practice in your phone book, like you're going to forget or be confused as to why they're calling.

You don't think reducing the chance the health professional is identified will reduce the chance someone will try to access health records? That was my thought. I could imagine a world in which she had "Dr So&So" they (their practice) would be looked up and pursued for confidential information.

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Adam seems to love Aubree as an accessory. It's horrible to think it (someone save me a spot on the bus to hell?) but you know those little dogs young women carried around in purses for awhile? I think that's how Adam sees Aubree...

 

I don't think you need a seat on the bus to hell for that. I think ADUMB does, because I completely agree with you. What do accessories do? Make us look better. Adumb thinks toting his daughter around makes him more appealing to his women-of-the-week and his wing-loving friends. 

 

I list my husband by his full name...

 

Corey isn't her husband, and Tyler is his middle name. I was making a joke, in reference to her admonishing him using his first AND middle name when they were in the parking lot. It sounded like something a mother would say to a child, or a wife might say to a husband - not something an ex-wife would say to an ex-husband, while the current spouses are standing right there. 

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I don't know which part you're from but here in the Bay Area, that might get you a fixer upper condo.

I was shocked that they got those houses for so cheap!

 

I know what you mean!  My brother's in the Bay Area and the rent on his studio apartment is higher than our house payment. I'm closer to the Sacramento area.  It still blows me away when I see the houses on this show and what they pay for them. I'd be really interested to hear from anyone in the general areas where these girls live and what's "normal" for there. None of my business, I guess, but it's more curiosity at this point.

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If Kail was able to come up with a decent down payment I don't think a 200k house is unreasonable. If their mortgage is $1200-$1300 a month, that's probably around what they would pay in rent for a two or three bedroom apartment. 

 

Their house has a huge fenced-in backyard, which is perfect for kids and dogs. Even if they have to move they should easily be able to rent the place out to another military family.

 

It's hard for me to put things in perspective as well because I'm from Boston, where 200k houses in the suburbs are unheard of, unless you're living in a shack on top of a nuclear waste dump. If you want something halfway decent in a good school district you're looking at 400k+ at minimum. 

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Where I'm from (Perth, Australia) it is practically impossible to buy a house for double that...

 

Really? It couldn't potentially be a privacy thing?

 

I list my husband by his full name...

 

I'm probably weird, but I saw this idea somewhere and thought it was a good one. I put my most important contacts like this: (Mom) firstname lastname, (Dad) firstname lastname, (Brother) firstname lastname, (Husband) firstname lastname, etc.  Any non-relatives are just listed by nicknames. The parentheses make people  show up first on my contact list, so I figure if something happens and someone's got my phone they know who my most important contacts are. I can definitely see why someone might just say "My Doctor" - or if they were doing it the way I do maybe (Doctor), for privacy but also to help designate important numbers.

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Leah was sporting some new, huge talons for the latest episode. Probably in the event she needed to claw someone's eyes out for daring to speak the truth.

 

I am with the others about home cost. Here in my area, $200k is barely half of what a home will get you here, and I am not talking about a new home either.

 

When I watch Leah and read all her interviews and the snippets on various on-line sites about her Tweets, her FB comments and such, privacy is the LAST thing that comes to my mind. If someone wanted to access anything, there is the internet. There is enough info on the internet and if one freezes a frame during the show, you can clearly see her legal documents and find out what courthouse and district is handling her court matter. That was all I needed to see. Now mind you, I am not that computer savvy, but I am sure someone else with time, and possibly access to those sites that garner you someone's information on-line, can access pretty much a lot of information on her. Those court documents probably have a declaration where there is a mention or two of her "depression" and how she is taking meds which are prescribed by "Dr. So and So" because of all the "trauma" Cory has put her through.

 

By the way, one doesn't necessarily have to just see a psychiatrist or a therapist/counselor. People sometimes have both. They visit the therapist and the psychiatrist is there to prescribe medication.

 

One question, is it possible Cory may have an HMO, and this is why Jerk Jeremy mentioned having "better insurance"?

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Kail's house was 215,000 dollars per www.realtor.com.

 

Leah and Jeremy's house I'm not real sure but it was upper 100,000 to 200,000.  I don't know when they bought it but it kept being delisted.  I wonder what they made off of it, if anything.  http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1742-New-Hope-Rd_Elkview_WV_25071_M49150-81626?row=10

 

These girls living in 200,000 dollar homes is crazy to me.  

 

Zillow is much more computer friendly for real estate.  Here's is the history of the home, showing it  sold in May 2014:

 

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1742-New-Hope-Rd-Elkview-WV-25071/2125994367_zpid/

 

05/23/14 Sold $188,000 -1.1%

03/24/14 Listing removed $190,000

01/24/14 Price change $190,000 -2.6%

10/12/13 Price change $195,000 -3.9%

08/24/13 Price change $203,000 -15.1%

08/05/13 Listed for sale $239,000 +6.2%

05/04/12 Listing removed $225,000

03/24/12 Listed for sale $225,000 -17.7%

10/05/11 Listing removed $273,400

06/19/11 Listed for sale $273,400

 

I think I recall her saying that they received an offer and had to move out quickly.  I don't recall when they bought the house, so whenever that was (couldn't have been before 2011???) it was anywhere from $225,000 to $273,000 are the asking prices here listed.  Seeing that they sold for $188,000 i would assume they took a hit and owed more than what it sold for (unless they put $100k down when they bought and then they would break even), which means they were desperate to dump the home before it would get foreclosed on.  That's just a guess, but why would anyone sell at a loss, then move to an apartment??  They should have kept the house and tried to make do with Ali and the wheelchair until the market got better.

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I've spent more than $200K in rent over the past 6 years. Home prices are all about the local economy and available jobs. The bigger the tax base, the more jobs available, the more houses cost. I don't think Kail's house is extravagant, they'll be able to afford it without teen mom money. Probably not along with monster car payments but thats a short term debt that will probably be taken care of by TM money.

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For $200,000 each spouse should make about $35k a year.  If I remember correctly (and things haven't changed) you could get a home loan for three times your yearly salary.  So if Javi and Kail were each making at least $35k a year = $70k = $210,000 mortgage.

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If Kail was able to come up with a decent down payment I don't think a 200k house is unreasonable. If their mortgage is $1200-$1300 a month, that's probably around what they would pay in rent for a two or three bedroom apartment. 

 

Their house has a huge fenced-in backyard, which is perfect for kids and dogs. Even if they have to move they should easily be able to rent the place out to another military family.

 

It's hard for me to put things in perspective as well because I'm from Boston, where 200k houses in the suburbs are unheard of, unless you're living in a shack on top of a nuclear waste dump. If you want something halfway decent in a good school district you're looking at 400k+ at minimum. 

Where I live, in extreme NE Texas, a 200,000 dollar house is huge or comes with lots of acreage. But at 20 or 21, none of us would have owned a 200,000 home, at all!!  We have extremely small towns all around us.  I grew up in a town of 1200.  I live one town over now with 4,500.  Still, it is hard to find anyone these girl's age with a 200,000 home.  

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I agree with those who said that it depends where you live.  Here in Boston you can't buy a 2 bedroom condo for less than 350K.  Where I grew up in Upstate NY, I could have gotten a 3 bedroom house with a big backyard for 150K or less.  

 

Housing markets have gotten kind of ridiculous lately, so 200K buys a lot less of a house than it used to.  It doesn't surprise or shock me at all.  

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Of course housing prices will vary depending on where you buy a home. It's a given.

 

Back to the show, Leah should not be shocked that Cory is trying to vie for full custody of the girlses. Afterall, isn't she who has complained non-stop about how stressed out she is, to the point she must quit her part-time job? Excuse me while I stop laughing long enough to type.  All she ever says on the show is how tired and stressed she is over everything relating to the girls. She doesn't get support or help, even though there was a time when she was having alone time with her girlfriends as they get their manicures and pedicures while the girlses are with one relative or another. Here comes Cory to take her problems away by filing for full custody. There you go Leah, now you can de-stress and work on yourself.

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I live not too far from Gettysburg, PA. Housing is pretty cheap around here, and my folks house I think is roughly worth around $140,000. We have a fenced in yard, a little over an acre, 2 large garages that hold 5 vehicles, and a 3 bedroom/2 bathroom home. I live probably 4 hours from Leah....which is scary. This part of the country you can find decent homes for $200,000 or less.

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Great Kazu, I thought the same exact thing. All Leah does is whine about how overwhelmed and stressed out she is. She says that shit even though the opening of every one of her scenes start out with her saying that somebody other than her "has the girls".

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That picture makes my eyes hurt. 

 

And on a leah note:

 

http://www.mtv.com/news/1936861/teen-mom-2-sneak-peek-leah-custody-advice/

I remember when she posted that picture.  She was on vacation in TN.  She was SLAMMED on twitter for how awful her lip liner is.  She tried to defend it, but it's a mess.  She eventually removed the picture.  I'm so glad it's resurrected in this article. lol

 

Don't forget, she sells makeup and goes to cosmetology school. ;)

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Corey and his wife Miranda have a candid conversation en route to his lawyer’s office and discuss the reasons they’re pursuing more time with his children. “I just really want what’s best for the girls, and that’s the main thing,” he says. “That’s my number one priority — what’s best for the girls. They just need structure.”

 

Miranda agrees. “That’s what I think is really important to understand…we’re not trying to take away, we’re not attacking anybody,” she says.

 

And while communicating with Leah about Ali and Aleeah is difficult now, Corey admits it wasn’t always that way.

 

“We used to be able to co-parent — we used to co-parent great,” he admits. “And that’s because I would give in a lot — to the crap. And now that I actually stand up for myself, [it's] like the world’s ending now because it’s personal.”

 

http://www.mtv.com/news/1929710/teen-mom-2-sneak-peek-corey-custody/

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I love it that Corey has finally stopped being Leah's doormat. Someone needs to stand up to that raving shrew and give her a wake-up call. Even if Corey doesn't end up with primary custody of the girlses things could still work out for the better. For all of them. Leah needs to realize that just because Corey and Miranda don't parent exactly the same way she does (who would?! Cheeto Queen) doesn't mean they're doing it wrong. It's just their way. Obviously the girlses have fun with them and are well fed and clean when they get back to Leah so what's the problem? I think it'd be more telling if either twin had negative things to say about their time with Daddy. Leah is just inventing shit to be angry about.

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I noticed that when the girlses are dropped off with Corey (or even going to the doctor appointments in Columbus), their hair is unkempt and their clothes look deshelved, as if Leah allowed them to dress themselves and do their own hair.  When Corey drops them off after the 4 days with him, their hair is fully brushed and styled in a pony tail or braid and their clothes look fresh and new.

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The girlses always look a hot mess when they are with Leah. Always. Leah spends more time on how she looks which is not saying much since she looks like crap most of the time.

 

If there is something that Leah has mentioned more than once to the public is that, we the viewers, don't know everything.  The viewers don't see it all. We only get a small view into her world. Leah insists we remember there is more to what we see. Granted, she is correct. With that, I came to the conclusion that the small glimpses into Leah's life are not doing her any favors. Cory and Miranda are the ones who see Leah in all her glory and a lot more than we ever will,  and the fact they are seeking more custody time and mentioning the girlses need structure, is so telling.  Leah tries to smear Cory's reputation while Cory has refrained from doing the same even though we know he has plenty of ammunition. I think Cory seeking custody is his way of telling the world he is not going to take Leah's shit anymore. He is not going to lie down and allow her to stomp all over him. He will use the courts to show what it is he has on Leah.

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As far as the whole "my psychiatrist" thing... It's funny because when it came up on here my first thought was that is actually a good idea when you are in the position of these girlses where potentially people could find her doctor and then look up the practice or attempt to get information based on if the name were listed on the phone. HOWEVER I do not give her credit for having that much insight about putting her business out there..I think she just thinks it's cute.

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Blind Item:

 

This guy in Teen Mom 2 was rumored to have hooked up with the best friend of his significant other. Nope. He hooked up with the boyfriend of the friend

 

My guess..... Nathan.  

 

 

Sorry, I didn't see this on another thread.

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