S21.E05: The Guy Who Starts A Fight

[PityFree]

Adam, being one of the Top 1% of Partiers/Assholes, knows the trick of baiting someone into hitting you. That game is even easier if the person is drunk. The way Adam held his hands up and looked into the camera after the head butt told me that he had done it many times before. 

 

That said, Romeo was a tool and all the bad spells he cast came back to him.  

 

I really dislike the "social media" scores. WHY??? Do modeling agencies want new models with high Klout Scores now?? I doubt it. The only reason for it might be that Tyra, being well aware that these "models" are 5-10 years too old to be starting a career, is pushing them to be YouTube stars or get cast in The Bachelor/ette down the road. Tyra? If you really want them to be gainfully employed in a year, bring someone in to teach them Excel. You can even coin a word for it: Excise (doing excel spreadsheets with your eyes). 

Edited September 16, 2014 by PityFree

[Surrealist]

Romeo's right about Adam's looks but this was the first time I liked Adam, anyway. "Worst birthday ever". He feels a little sorry for the little twerp.

Who did Raelia say were the front-runners? Herself, Shae, Denzel and Will? I thought that was spot-on.

Oh and Romeo on his drunken head-butt - he said something like 'the events of last night were disappointing'. Weird use of passive voice needed to offer no apologies. But at least he knows it's his own damn fool fault.

 

Exactly. Adam isn't my favorite. He made me groan in the first couple of episodes. That fight incident from his past makes me raise my eyebrows a bit, but he's kind of growing on me a bit. Romeo owned his responsibility in getting kicked out and that's something.

 

Adam, being one of the Top 1% of Partiers/Assholes, knows the trick of baiting someone into hitting you. That game is even easier if the person is drunk. The way Adam held his hands up and looked into the camera after the head butt told me that he had done it many times before.

 

 

You've actually made a good point. You'd assume someone like Adam knows when and when not to fight when alcohol is involved.

 

I agree with Raelia's predictions. I like her. She keeps out of the b.s. I think this is a good thing when the contestants are fully aware it's expected of them, but a couple won't play along that way. I can see her in the Top 3 near the end. Will's a few inches too tall to model, but I like his personality and he's another one who tries to stay out of trouble. I like his friendship with Matthew. Matthew's a good egg too.

 

Tyra probably wants Denzel near the end, but I feel like she's hoping Keith gets there too.

 

I wish they'd get rid of the social media scores and the fans' videos of comments. I don't care what they think.

Edited September 16, 2014 by Surrealist

[panthergirl13]

I hated the episode but loved the recap so much I want to marry it. 

 

Re the headbutt, I went back and watched it again. To me it appears that Romeo clearly butted Adam on the RIGHT side, near the eye. Then when Adam says "there's a bruise, you can see it" he's pointing to his left cheek. Then at panel, he's got what looks like discoloration under the right eye. 

 

[clearly this was the most riveting part of the entire thing for me]

[recurring dream]

 

I  also loved how Tyra was all "I'd give you a zero, but that's NOT ALLOWED", like she herself didn't make up all these crazy bullshit "rules" in the first place.

 

Exactly what I was thinking.  It's your own show, Tyra, you can do whatever the fuck you want to do so if you want to give a zero, give a fucking zero.

 

 

Re the headbutt, I went back and watched it again. To me it appears that Romeo clearly butted Adam on the RIGHT side, near the eye. Then when Adam says "there's a bruise, you can see it" he's pointing to his left cheek. Then at panel, he's got what looks like discoloration under the right eye.

 

I thought that too but realized when Adam is talking about the bruise, the shot of him saying it is  from the reflection in the mirror, hence why it looks like the left cheek.

 

Tyra probably wants Denzel near the end, but I feel like she's hoping Keith gets there too.

 

 

I definitely thinks she wants Denzel near the end, otherwise, for drama's sake, she would have put him with Will during the commercial shoot instead of Matthew.

Edited September 16, 2014 by recurring dream

[Surrealist]

I  also loved how Tyra was all "I'd give you a zero, but that's NOT ALLOWED", like she herself didn't make up all these crazy bullshit "rules" in the first place.

 

I actually re-watched that segment to make sure I heard her correctly. And yeah . . . she's the executive producer, so I'm not sure why she can't give out zeros if she wants to. Maybe her wig was on too tight.

 

I'm still confused about Denzel's beard weave. I've seen male models with goatees and one or two with a mustache, but for the most part, I assumed male models weren't supposed to have facial hair. Denzel isn't a favorite either, but he looked fine with the goatee.

 

I hated the episode but loved the recap so much I want to marry it.

 

Re the headbutt, I went back and watched it again. To me it appears that Romeo clearly butted Adam on the RIGHT side, near the eye. Then when Adam says "there's a bruise, you can see it" he's pointing to his left cheek. Then at panel, he's got what looks like discoloration under the right eye.

 

 

I enjoy the recaps and these forums. My offline friends don't watch these shows, so I need people with which to snark about the episodes and contestants.

 

I think, maybe, Adam was a bit hungover and confused which side of his face Romeo headbutted. Adam's eyes looked a little bloodshot in his TH.

 

They all need to lay off the booze.

 

I'm guessing, based on the "assault charge," Romeo will not be able to work his way back into the competition.

Edited September 16, 2014 by Surrealist

[panthergirl13]

 

I thought that too but realized when Adam is talking about the bruise, the shot of him saying it is  from the reflection in the mirror, hence why it looks like the left cheek.

Ah ha!! Good catch.

[Fallacy]

This show is the worst but I've watched every single damn season and am back for more. Why? I have no freaking clue. I hate myself for watching it.

 

I'm glad Romeo is gone because his character wasn't amusing at all. And he was clearly creating a reality tv character with all his witch bullshit.

 

Adam is also creating a reality tv character: the drunken frat boy. However, every once in awhile, I see the real guy inside there and he's shockingly intelligent.

 

I like Matt, Will, Shy, and Lennox. Everyone else bores me with their dating and drinking.

 

The one with the bleached hair was so much more attractive pre-makeover. She looks horrible with that hair and those eyebrows. I'm sure she will immediately get that bleached straw weave taken out the second she leaves the show. Poor girl. I thought she had a real chance to win until I saw her makeover. Scary.

[poppy-]

Adam, being one of the Top 1% of Partiers/Assholes, knows the trick of baiting someone into hitting you. That game is even easier if the person is drunk. The way Adam held his hands up and looked into the camera after the head butt told me that he had done it many times before.

 

Did what many times before? Goaded someone into hitting him while he was being filmed?  Adam was approached, not the reserve.  He did try to walk away. Then he tried to put the annoying drunk to bed. Then I fast forwarded because I don't want to watch that crap.  But I saw the headbutt. And all his hands-up gesture told me was that he was aware that violence could easily get him kicked out of the game.  The footage looked unambiguous to us, but from his POV, makes sense for him to try and make it crystal clear.

[Surrealist]

This show is the worst but I've watched every single damn season and am back for more. Why? I have no freaking clue. I hate myself for watching it.

I feel like this applies to 98% of the shows I watch. ;)

I don't get the love for Mirjana. She's vulgar. Nothing attractive about that.

[Fex]

I'm torn on Romeo's leaving. On the one hand, his personality was annoying and hard to take. On the other hand, I thought he took beautiful pho-tos. I wish he was just eliminated the regular way, so that he still would've done the photo shoots.

 

I like Lenox, but being a virgin should be no impediment to acting sexy. As another poster noted, 12 year olds in dance competitions know how to act (sometimes frighteningly) sexy.

 

The one with the bleached hair was so much more attractive pre-makeover. She looks horrible with that hair and those eyebrows. I'm sure she will immediately get that bleached straw weave taken out the second she leaves the show. Poor girl. I thought she had a real chance to win until I saw her makeover. Scary.

To me, she looks just like Janice of the Electric Mayhem.... 

 

[Zima]

I need to watch again, because I thought that right before Romeo started to fight with Adam, he and Adam were kind of embracing while Adam was trying to brush his teeth, and then Adam said "Dude, I'm not going to kiss you". And then Romeo flipped out. Was I hearing things?

 

Tyra was so full of shit at panel, giving Lenox a 1. Everyone knew damn well that no one was getting eliminated because of Romeo's early exit from the competition, so of course Tyra felt completely at ease showing such high disapproval with her crazy low score. And to give Ben a 5? "What's half of 10, Ben?" Stfu, Tyra. 

 

And yet, I continue to watch...

 

Oh, and also, THIS IS SO SPOT-ON:

 

"Unless you'd like to see Marjana and Kari uncomfortably kiss while the male models whoop and catcall, move along. I just feel bad for Denzel, who, after expressing his black and white ideas of sexuality last week, will no longer be able to find comfort in the arms of Marjana, now an irrefutable lesbian."

Edited September 17, 2014 by Zima

[GreyBunny]

Oh, Romeo.  Adam is just a stupid frat boy and you fell for one of the oldest fratboy tricks in the book, which makes you even stupider. 

[panthergirl13]

 

To me, she looks just like Janice of the Electric Mayhem.... 

THIS.

[ExMathMajor]

I've been too old for this show for a very long time now but the opening scene of this episode -- with Kari and Mirjana kissing while the boys hollered -- confirmed it. I should have done a Carrie Bradshaw and taken my tired old fart ass home but I stuck around for the entire episode. Seeing Romeo go home almost made it worthwhile. (Last word on him: He's an ass. Buh-bye.)

 

On the one hand I think Tyra's judgement of Lenox was a bit over the top but on the other hand I don't understand how after 20 cycles anyone going into this competition wouldn't know the deal. WhatEVER Tyra and Co. make you do, you do your best and you ask for more, dammit. All the cycles are online in some form so even if you'd never heard of ANTM before getting selected, I'm assuming you have a few weeks to get/buy/steal a CLUE about what you're getting into. Ugh. 

 

Unless I'm mistaken, isn't Raelia a virgin too? Yet somehow she was able to act sexier than most of the girls.

 

The love quadrangle is working my last nerve. Whoever called it The Real World is dead-on...and that's a show I had the sense to stop watching a VERY long time ago. I now like Shei (second only to Ben) because she called it out for what it was: unprofessional and completely unnecessary.

[whack-a-mole]

The love quadrangle is working my last nerve. Whoever called it The Real World is dead-on...and that's a show I had the sense to stop watching a VERY long time ago. I now like Shei (second only to Ben) because she called it out for what it was: unprofessional and completely unnecessary.

Agreed. All this nonsense made it a DVR only show for me. I just skip until they're doing something that looks like it's supposed to be related to modeling. They can hook up with whomever they do or don't want on their own time. I almost don't mind because the episodes go quickly instead of being bogged down with product placed filler.

[Surrealist]

Unless I'm mistaken, isn't Raelia a virgin too? Yet somehow she was able to act sexier than most of the girls.

 

You're correct. Raelia has mentioned a few times that she's a virgin. She can pull off seductive and sexy. At one point, she said something along the lines of how she couldn't hold Lenox's hand through this challenge. Raelia actually practices and when Lenox admitted that she hadn't, I knew Tyra would come after her ass.

[Talented Tenth]

I need to watch again, because I thought that right before Romeo started to fight with Adam, he and Adam were kind of embracing while Adam was trying to brush his teeth, and then Adam said "Dude, I'm not going to kiss you". And then Romeo flipped out. Was I hearing things?

 

Tyra was so full of shit at panel, giving Lenox a 1. Everyone knew damn well that no one was getting eliminated because of Romeo's early exit from the competition, so of course Tyra felt completely at ease showing such high disapproval with her crazy low score. And to give Ben a 5? "What's half of 10, Ben?" Stfu, Tyra. 

 

 

 

Romeo was in the bed with Will and one of the girls then he got up and went in the bathroom with Adam who was brushing his teeth.  It seemed like Romeo was starting horseplay with Adam.  Adam had a hand up trying to ward Romeo off.  He was trying to escort him out of the bathroom and they fell down as if wrestling.  Romeo had a smile on his face the whole time.  Adam said he was going to put Romeo in the bed and was behind him with his arms around him.  Romeo was saying "hold on, hold on" and then he turned around while Adam was trying to keep Romeo from doing whatever Romeo was trying to do.  That's when Adam said, "I'm not gonna kiss you, bro".  I can only assume that when Romeo went in the bathroom, he tried to kiss Adam or said he was going to or Romeo puckered his lips at some point during their interaction.  

 

It is funny that Tyra gave Lenox a 1 knowing damn well there wasn't going to be an elimination due to Romeo being disqualified.  Tyra hates when the contestants don't defer to her.  She felt Lenox wasn't bowing down enough.

[milkyaqua]

Tyra hates when the contestants don't defer to her.  She felt Lenox wasn't bowing down enough.

 

True but Lenox, along with anyone else who auditions for this show, should already know this before they audition.  Even if Lenox thought Tyra's "teach" was ridiculous (and it was especially with all of the made-up terms), she did give up.  Raelia was able to do it.  It doesn't mean I agree with Tyra's score, that was nonsense, but I find it hard to feel bad for these folks when then sign up for this or any other reality show especially one that's been on as long as this one has.

 

 

 

Tyra probably wants Denzel near the end, but I feel like she's hoping Keith gets there too.

 

She definitely wants a guy in the final.  But I still think Keith will be there and not Denzel.  At some point I can't believe that Denzel's not so great behavior on set with Yu Tsai will come up.  Also, if Tyra is looking for a model (and really, that's doubtful) Denzel along with Adam is one of the shorties.  Keith is the only guy who falls within an acceptable height with Ben pushing it.

Edited September 17, 2014 by milkyaqua

[Surrealist]

Keith is the only guy who falls within an acceptable height with Ben pushing it.

 

I couldn't agree more. I know Tyra seems keen on Denzel, but I get the impression that she'd rather have Keith as a finalist. Keith and Ben seem to be the only two who meet the height requirements for male models. I like Will, but he's too tall. The others look an inch or two too short. Adam looks like he's 5'8" tops.

[Mattipoo]

Lenox should have known that you get eliminated for not obeying Tyra's instructions during her ridiculous teaches. One particular instance that comes to mind was when AzMarie from the British Invasion cycle was sent home because she wouldn't do the booty tooch challenge using fake butt pads. But Tyra was a bitch for giving her a 1. Glad Romeo is gone, good riddance. Denzel and Mirjana can be next, they are both annoying and stupid. Will, Matthew or Shei for the win!

[phoenix780]

To me, she looks just like Janice of the Electric Mayhem....

 

Especially when she was running in the house at the beginning of the episode. 

 

This show isn't even "Real World," at least not my memory of the good years.  This is straight-up "The Challenge" after Road Rules died and it was just a bunch of random people.  They may as well film it overseas- then everyone can drink, right?  

 

And that's my main problem with all the bs drama, really.  I've seen it before.  I've seen it done better.  It's not fresh or interesting to see it again here.  I also don't give a shit about what two morons who've known each other for a week think when they're paired up with people other than the ones they cuddle with.  What would be fresh, however- and hold my attention- is more modeling.

 

Lennox is an idiot.  She's not causing any drama, and she gave up on the lesson or whatever.  Her social media score was high (7.3- higher than about half of them) so I'm looking forward to seeing what they do about that.  Will she go through to the end?  Or, will there be another week where they tank her in order to get her out?  She needs to consider shifting her storyline, maybe explore that sexuality with someone in the house.  Then she'll get good scores!

 

One thing about scores- tonight I noticed that Ms. Jay essentially votes twice.  He sets the initial challenge score, at least in this case, and he votes on the photo/commercial (I totally missed that they were actually recording the motion for a commercial).  That seems...off.

 

Denzel better watch his comments about male/male modeling.  It's only a matter of time before they randomly pair him with Will in a hypersexual photo, probably at a point when they want a bit more drama from Will, too, about his process of coming out to his family.  Oh- and when they're challenging Will to be more masculine, so Denzel has to take a "submissive" role.

 

On a slightly different note- if anyone who works for Line happens to be reading this...this is not good product placement.  Watching an old-looking 18 year-old explain how she can use the Line app to text images (stickers, whatever) to her fake boyfriend-of-the-week doesn't make me want to use it.  Showing it used to film a couple jackasses jumping over a bush...also not a great association (though I'm sure it was totally spontaneous for them to do that).  I might reconsider all the Line app stuff...unless it's a product for drunken famewhores, many of whom are far too old for this kind of famewhoring.  If that's the case, well, I should find a sticker to apologize.

[Rhondinella]

Agreed. All this nonsense made it a DVR only show for me. I just skip until they're doing something that looks like it's supposed to be related to modeling. They can hook up with whomever they do or don't want on their own time. I almost don't mind because the episodes go quickly instead of being bogged down with product placed filler.

 

I've been watching the show this way for years.  Pretty much never watch anything that happens at "the house."  Saves me time and blood pressure points.

[Zima]

Romeo was in the bed with Will and one of the girls then he got up and went in the bathroom with Adam who was brushing his teeth.  It seemed like Romeo was starting horseplay with Adam.  Adam had a hand up trying to ward Romeo off.  He was trying to escort him out of the bathroom and they fell down as if wrestling.  Romeo had a smile on his face the whole time.  Adam said he was going to put Romeo in the bed and was behind him with his arms around him.  Romeo was saying "hold on, hold on" and then he turned around while Adam was trying to keep Romeo from doing whatever Romeo was trying to do.  That's when Adam said, "I'm not gonna kiss you, bro".  I can only assume that when Romeo went in the bathroom, he tried to kiss Adam or said he was going to or Romeo puckered his lips at some point during their interaction.  

 

 

Okay, so I WASN'T hearing things. Do we think that part of the reason Romeo got so mad was because Adam rejected his amorous advances? I'm surprised this wasn't made into a big, dramatic point in the episode. 

[JustaPerson]

 

Denzel better watch his comments about male/male modeling.  It's only a matter of time before they randomly pair him with Will in a hypersexual photo, probably at a point when they want a bit more drama from Will, too, about his process of coming out to his family.  Oh- and when they're challenging Will to be more masculine, so Denzel has to take a "submissive" role.

 

Literally everything out of Keith, Denzel (and to a lesser degree Marijana's) mouths about the Matthew/Will thing has made me completely despise them.  So I am very much hoping for this for either one of them.

[oceanchild3]

I agree with so much that has been said already so I will try not to repeat too much. 

 

One thing that I thought looked so ridiculous over and over was the spider (girls except for Will) coming out of that web. The web looks like one of the playground toys at my son's school...only his are blue and yellow. It looked so cheap and silly. And I didn't really think any of the guys looked that good once they'd been bitten and were supposed to be dead. Idk. It looked super, super fake.

 

Regarding being sexy. I agree that you just do what Tyra says no matter how stupid you feel. And I also agree you can be sexy without having had sex. But I am disappointed that Tyra pushed this so much when she's gotten on contestant after contestant each season for being too sexy. And she has also crowned winners who might not be considered traditional sexy (Anne, Jaslene...just two off the top of my head). 

 

With all of Tyra's PSAs and things she wants to be progressive about, it seems like Denzel's, Keith's etc comments should really bother her and the image she should be wanting to put forward. 

Edited September 17, 2014 by oceanchild3

[GreyBunny]

The entire spider thing was hilarious.  They dressed them up like cheap vampire wannabes who wear bad plastic fangs and tacky red contacts and tell people to call them things like “Lord Bloodfang McDarkness the Third” and “Salacia, Mistress of the Night”.

 

This whole show is just so hopelessly low-rent.  

[WhineandCheez]

All this nonsense made it a DVR only show for me. I just skip until they're doing something that looks like it's supposed to be related to modeling.

 

Now that Tyra has latched onto the hookups-booze-partay paradigm she will never go back to the single sex format.  Alas, all of us oldtimers who long for the good ole days of Top Model will be watching it in about 13 minutes with FF'ding.

 

Mirjana is so gorgeous, her hair is great, but she acts low class.

Lennox just needs to be thankful that Tyra didn't chop her hair off.  She still could.

 

The entire spider thing was hilarious.  They dressed them up like cheap vampire wannabes who wear bad plastic fangs and tacky red contacts and tell people to call them things like “Lord Bloodfang McDarkness the Third” and “Salacia, Mistress of the Night”.

 

Anyone remember Goth Talk on SNL?

Edited September 17, 2014 by WhineandCheez

[panthergirl13]

Lennox just needs to be thankful that Tyra didn't chop her hair off.  She still could.

Indeed. And shave her eyebrows too, while she's at it.

[dolphincorn]

 

Kari still looks like a low-rent hooker after her "Ty-Over".

 

You just had to bring up Angelea, didn't you?  That wound is just too fresh . . .

[Gumby]

I hate the stupid social media voting too. But then, I also hated it when they eliminated someone who was wildly popular on the boards, and remember wishing there WAS a social media vote.

 

It really would suck to be stuck with a stiff, dull partner in the black widow challenge. I mean, if Lennox could manage to drag some sexy out of herself, it SURE wasn'tgonna happen with Romeo, a partner she felt repulsive. I wonder which two would have brought it the best had they been paired?

 

Speaking of repulsive, Marijana really is stunningly photogenic, and has somehow saluted her way all the way into Tyra's tooch-al area. 

 

HOWEVER.....

 

Can some Millennial tell me what "having a boyfriend" means these days? We first heard of him as she gleefully reported how he was clebratig her and boosting her socially. Wow, what a nice boyfriend! So she then not only flirts and touches recumbent, almost naked men, but talks about it, and does so ON CAMERA (almost FOR the camera, it seems). Both men have said, "Ah, but she has a boyfriend" while still canoodling with her. What am I missing? Because, ew - gross. I can only imagine he is mightily abusive or unfaithful, and she is getting revenge on him via nationally broadcast cuckolding.

Edited September 17, 2014 by Gumby

[Ladystardust]

I really miss when they would just critique the models at panel and then the judges would deliberate among themselves. This whole point system thing is ridiculous and seems to have no rules whatsoever (except for 0s are NOT ALLOWED).

 

Adam looks much better with his short hair, but he has a bit of an unsavory past too. I'm not sure he can act as though he's morally superior to Romeo. On a positive note, when they flashed Adam's family photo, I noticed his brother is pretty goodlooking.

Adams brother!! At first, I just thought, "Wow, Adam used to be better looking!". Then I realized Adam was on the other side of the picture. The whole bro/frat boy thing is annoying and eye-rolling if he was 21/22, but at 26 it just makes me sad. I'm only 2 years older than him and I can't imagine dating someone who acted like that. Hell, I can't imagine being FRIENDS with someone who still parties and drinks 24/7 at my age...settle down a little.

 

I thought Romeo's look was interesting, but my god he was annoying. I feel bad for the actual Wiccans out there that he publically insulted. He acted more like a 16-year-old goth who got a witchcraft book to piss of their parents. And speaking of his book, do actual Wiccans sit around in public reading Witchcraft for Beginners?? It seemed so fake.

[snakenax]

 

Can some Millennial tell me what "having a boyfriend" means these days?

It's pretty standard 'pretty teen girl who defines herself by the attention guys give her' stuff, she has a boyfriend but he isn't there so she needs surrogate boyfriends. If she were older i'd find it more repellent, but at 18 she's still stuck in the zero social consequences realm of high school.

 

I don't really get the whole 'Adam started it' or 'Adam was provoking it passive aggressively' stuff, as someone who has had to escort more than a few drunks to bed having to deal with one who is first overly touchy/amorous and then totally belligerent is pretty normal and he acted fairly responsible in trying to get Romeo back to bed via gentle encouragement and not getting belligerent back at him when Romeo was literally clinging to him and insulting him at the same time.

 

Though on the 'this feels kind of staged' area, nobody pulled Romeo off Adam until Romeo headbutted him.

[Qoass]

 

I really miss when they would just critique the models at panel and then the judges would deliberate among themselves. This whole point system thing is ridiculous and seems to have no rules whatsoever 

I agree completely.  I miss Janice (or even Tyra) jumping up to demonstrate how to turn a good pose into a great one.

 

 

(except for 0s are NOT ALLOWED).

Because then they'd have to admit that this show has...no point.

[whack-a-mole]

Because then they'd have to admit that this show has...no point.

I thought the point was semi-naked famewhores being asked to do absurd things because they believe it will help them obtain a modeling career. I gave up on the scoring and caring who wins years ago. Almost none of them get anything resembling careers out of it anyway. They could move to that grade free system some schools do and score one purple elephant and the next green horse and I wouldn't care. Might be fun to watch them try to make sense of something like that.

[Mattipoo]

Is Adam a personal trainer in real life? I kept hearing Romeo say "you are a personal trainer, not a model" during his drunk tirade.

[snakenax]

Is Adam a personal trainer in real life? I kept hearing Romeo say "you are a personal trainer, not a model" during his drunk tirade.

I think he's trying to say 'you look like a personal trainer, not a model'. Though that is a bit of a silly attempt at a insult, personal training is a common day job for male models. And also a bit silly of Romeo, who does have a very good base look for modeling.. which is irrepairable dropped by bad neck tattoos and large ear gauges. Plus neither are tall enough, but if they were at least Adam could slim down, Romeo's issues need medical procedures.

[Meushell]

Yikes! Haven't seen this show in years, but I watched This episode out of curiosity. So very bad.

Tyra teaching male models how to model like females. If you're going to do that, teach everyone how all genders model. Then later, she punishes a guy for doing the pooch, or whatever she called it, too well.

Are they safe in the house? Romeo should have been removed as soon as he made physical contact. Personally, I think people should be removed as soon as they even make the threat.

None of the challenges looked professional. Even the best spider commercial looked ridiculous.

Tyra power tripping over one of the contestants. Wtf!

"What have you learned?"

I wish Lennox had answered "That you're a bitch" and walked away. Sadly though, if she did, I'm sure it would have been edited to make Tyra look good.

Why is this episode called "The Girl Who Starts a Fight"? I am personally not offended by anything usually, but that seems weird since Romeo wasn't super flaming. Or is the girl who started the fight Tyra?

I didn't get the title either. Does Romeo prefer feminine pronouns? The title works if that is the case, but I did not get that impression from this episode.

I am glad that the titles are about the models again, and not about the silly guess stars.

[Surrealist]

I really miss when they would just critique the models at panel and then the judges would deliberate among themselves. This whole point system thing is ridiculous and seems to have no rules whatsoever (except for 0s are NOT ALLOWED).

 

Adams brother!! At first, I just thought, "Wow, Adam used to be better looking!". Then I realized Adam was on the other side of the picture. The whole bro/frat boy thing is annoying and eye-rolling if he was 21/22, but at 26 it just makes me sad. I'm only 2 years older than him and I can't imagine dating someone who acted like that. Hell, I can't imagine being FRIENDS with someone who still parties and drinks 24/7 at my age...settle down a little.

 

I thought Romeo's look was interesting, but my god he was annoying. I feel bad for the actual Wiccans out there that he publically insulted. He acted more like a 16-year-old goth who got a witchcraft book to piss of their parents. And speaking of his book, do actual Wiccans sit around in public reading Witchcraft for Beginners?? It seemed so fake.

 

YES! In the first episode, the judges sat in a circle ("round table") to discuss the contestants. I has hoping that that was going to be a permanent part of the show. I felt like it was a nod to the old structure, which was perfectly fine by me.

 

I sure hope Tyra talks to the show's executive producer about changing the voting system so that she can give out her zeros.  ;)

 

Adam's growing on me a little, but his brother is cute. I wonder how old he is. I also wonder if they're opposite personalities. His brother gave off that vibe.

 

I've complained about Romeo, but he does have that unique look. It's his attitude that's repellent. Plus he has too many tattoos for my taste. How about that pentagram he set up on the back porch? SMH.

 

Yikes! Haven't seen this show in years, but I watched This episode out of curiosity. So very bad.

 

 

My eyes don't seem to be working too well today, but at first, I read that as "I watched this episode out of spite."

Edited September 17, 2014 by Surrealist

[phoenix780]

I think the title on my DVR was the "guy" who starts a fight, not girl.  I can't remember, though. 

 

Someone mentioned Angelea...wasn't she in the photo with Alison that they cited as creating the word "tooch?"  Only they didn't even mention her.  I've read all the rumors, but man, whatever it was she did it sure pissed them off.

[Zima]

I think the title on my DVR was the "guy" who starts a fight, not girl.  I can't remember, though. 

 

Someone mentioned Angelea...wasn't she in the photo with Alison that they cited as creating the word "tooch?"  Only they didn't even mention her.  I've read all the rumors, but man, whatever it was she did it sure pissed them off.

 

Angelea was the one on All-Stars who the judges picked to win initially. However, before he final episodes aired, she told her friends and they told her friends and .... well, word spread so far that Tyra got wind that Angelea was telling people she won the cycle (before the final episodes aired). So Tyra took the win back and crowned Lisa instead. 

[Surrealist]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I totally expected Yu and Miss J to pull a simultaneous finger wag when they kicked out Romeo.

[C0mputerGeek]

Lennox just needs to be thankful that Tyra didn't chop her hair off.  She still could.

I actually think Lenox could use a cut. She is quite tall, but her legs are a bit stumpy. The length of her hair makes her appear even shorter. I would cut Lenox’s hair to shoulder length.

 

I do not get the appeal of Mirjana. She seems to equate being loud and obnoxious with confidence. Maybe it’s the fact that she took photos from another model and passed them off as herself, but she just comes across as low rent to me.

[Surrealist]

I do not get the appeal of Mirjana. She seems to equate being loud and obnoxious with confidence. Maybe it’s the fact that she took photos from another model and passed them off as herself, but she just comes across as low rent to me.

I feel the same way. She looks OK, but she's vulgar. The problem is she thinks she's a badass.

Edited September 17, 2014 by Surrealist

[GreyBunny]

The whole bro/frat boy thing is annoying and eye-rolling if he was 21/22, but at 26 it just makes me sad. I'm only 2 years older than him and I can't imagine dating someone who acted like that. Hell, I can't imagine being FRIENDS with someone who still parties and drinks 24/7 at my age...settle down a little.

I so agree, he needs to start growing up.  Acting like a fratboy when you're beyond your frat years is just pathetic.  In years to come I can imagine him being that 50-year-old guy who tries to hang out with 21-year-olds at nightclubs and parties and thinks he's "cool" and "hip" and "down with the young people" when in reality he's just creepy and weird and the young people just want him to go away. 

Edited September 18, 2014 by GreyBunny

[NixNox]

Love this recap so much!

I also wish Romeo had gone off in a bonfire. He's such an insult to Wiccans and he's generally whiny and most importantly he made me kind of respect Adam, who's the definition of dumb douchey frat guy. I personally would have thrown the camera and then Romeo over the stair railing if he'd headbutted, but he managed to remain so composed. I think putting his hands up was in an effort to do something with them other than socking that wannabe witch in his face. I hope no one learns their perspective of the Wiccan religion from this show it's mostly about finding balance in nature and not about doing spells for personal gain or to harm others. Also considering it's a religion Tyra and company's treatment of it like some sort of joke is a bit insensitive. I don't understand the sympathy for Lennox, Tyra said after they left training that it was important to practice and the very next minute Lennox said she wasn't going to practice. You'd think if she felt like she did so badly in the training that she'd try harder to practice for the photo shoot. If she's that self conscious than this really isn't the right career for her. I also don't get what's so good looking about Adam, to me he looks like what would happen if Wreck-It Ralph came to life. The hair cut is a slight improvement. His brother though...YUM.

As far as the Matt thing I don't think he's discovering anything. I distinctly remember him making a comment during the Marjana/Matt phase that he wasn't attracted to many women but he liked Marjana because I thought that was a weird thing for a straight guy to say. He just says he doesn't want to label himself which some people don't like but he hasn't denied an interest in guys.

And I don't know who picked Tyra's outfit for the episode but she looked like she might be hiding goat feet, part Satyr/part Model sounds like a theme for their next shoot. As far as the modeling I've been disillusioned about the future success of ANTM models ever since I saw the Australian version and realized almost all the contestants on our American original are way too old to start up a modeling career. But it is true that the quality of the program has been dropping ever since they did their first AllStars...Social Media Votes should be a non factor or maybe something that can be used to save them if they are going to be voted off but have the highest social media vote they get one last chance to photoshoot. And Tyra is going crazy with her -isms just because smize passed doesn't mean the rest will. I wish she had kept her talk show and dropped ANTM.

[kingshearte]

As a general rule, I don't call anything my "guilty pleasures," because I don't think I should have to feel guilty about what amuses me. But this show seems to be doing it's damndest to make me reconsider...

The only commercial I thought was remotely sexy was Will and Matthew's. Everyone else was just so over the top and/or awkward, and I totally agree that the tightie-wighties have got to go.

I'm super glad Romeo's gone. I gotta say, though, wrt Adam, his drinking is concerning. I haven't really had any first-hand experience with the Greek system, but one thing that seems to come up over and over again, in the news, in fiction, in studies, is that alcohol is a huge problem, especially in frats, and it's not a problem that resolves itself when the full-on frat days are over. I know Adam's not *that* far out of school, but I really do find the amount and the frequency of his drinking concerning, and I'm not remotely convinced that he has it as under control as he seems to think he does.

[dolphincorn]

 

Angelea was the one on All-Stars who the judges picked to win initially. However, before he final episodes aired, she told her friends and they told her friends and .... well, word spread so far that Tyra got wind that Angelea was telling people she won the cycle (before the final episodes aired). So Tyra took the win back and crowned Lisa instead.

 

And she launched a lawsuit this week claiming that Tyra took away her crown because she used to be an escort. It's in the other threads and on TMZ.

[Ladystardust]

Really? When did it become mandatory for someone to settle down at any age? I feel pretty sorry for you if you've given up your days of being wild and having fun because you are the ripe old age of 28. Are you serious?  No, getting drunk and partying is certainly not for everyone, nor is it everyone's definition of fun. However, when you  assume that anyone who is over 23 shouldn't be partying or drinking and that they should "settle down", I find that pretty sad and even offensive. He is not married, nor does he have kids.  He could be 60 and single and still partying it up, and as long as that's what he wants to do, I'd think he was super cool for doing what he wants with his life.  I hope that even if he ever does get married, he finds a partner in life that loves doing all of the things he enjoys, because it would be so sad for him to give up what he truly loves just because some other people might think that it's time for him to settle down. 

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that ANY sort of partying or drinking is pathetic after college - I didn't mean that at all. I'll admit that I've never really been into the party scene, but most people I knew in college who were like Adam kind of mellowed out a little by their late 20s. They still go to bars and stuff on the weekends, but don't party nightly and drink to the extent of when they were in college (which to be honest is hard to keep up with when you have a job, bills, etc. after school). From his comments, I get the idea that Adam is still partying/getting trashed nightly (or wants us to think so). But then again, I'm sure most people on reality shows drink and party a lot more than they would in their regular lives though. I did notice some maturity during the fight with Romeo, so I'm starting to think Adam's frat boy persona may be amped a bit for TV. If he's really a personal trainer, I doubt he can keep up the physique and stamina for that if he's drinking as much as he says.

[Wax Lion]

 

Why is this episode called "The Girl Who Starts a Fight"?  I am personally not offended by anything usually, but that seems weird since Romeo wasn't super flaming.  Or is the girl who started the fight Tyra?

 

It might be a mistake. Every other place where I've seen the episode title it's "The Guy Who Starts a Fight" including Hulu.

[ShadowDenizen]

Then later, she punishes a guy for doing the pooch, or whatever she called it, too well.

 

Meushell, I can lend you my “Tyra to English” dictionary if you like. (Though I’m still working on the 2014 edition, so you might miss some of the nuances, since she makes up fake-ass craziness every freaking episode!)

 

Social Media Votes should be a non factor or maybe something that can be used to save them if they are going to be voted off but have the highest social media vote they get one last chance to photoshoot

 

I like this idea; use it as a sort of “Life-Line” or “Tie-Breaker” or something.

 

The only commercial I thought was remotely sexy was Will and Matthew's. Everyone else was just so over the top and/or awkward, and I totally agree that the tightie-wighties have got to go.

 

Given that this is network TV, I’m not sure what else they could so. Thongs/G-Strings are clearly out (During the “Nude Photo Shoot” they used them, and there was a LOT of blurring going-on!), and they likely wouldn’t want to pay the rate to get a major underwear line (like Ginch Gonch, 2xist, etc.) onboard.

 

The pimping for the Line App just seems egregious, more so than the product-placement from past seasons.  (Eitehr that, or this bunch of hamsters are worse actors than in previous years!)

 

After rewatching the last few eps, I find Mirjana to be more and more distasteful, lowbrow and uncouth.  She really does seem to equate “success” with “obnoxiousness”.