Spoiler, Speculation and Social Media

[BAForever]

26 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

i'm waiting for the day when Janelle and Meri confront Kody and Robyn and ask  them to repay the money that K&R took from them to buy the first house. After all K&R made a huge profit with the sale of this house.  If Kody refuses to do this then Janelle and Meri should put their differences aside and collaborate on a tell all book. Embarrass them publicly. Show Kody for the con artist that he is. 

I'd buy a real tell-all book from Meri and/or Janelle.

[Gramto6]

39 minutes ago, BAForever said:

I'd buy a real tell-all book from Meri and/or Janelle.

But how would we know if it is really real? With all these Brownies, who knows if they'd ever tell the truth???  However, after the splits, the chances are better, but who knows?

[smarty]

14 hours ago, Denize said:

Apparently they bought the ugly house plus the adjacent vacant plot for that amount, both of which Janelle & Meri put money in the family account for.

That somewhat explains why the buyer paid over asking, because the original listing was only for the house, with the option to also buy the adjacent lot.  The final sale included the next door lot so that would easily have made it worth an extra $100,000.  

[laurakaye]

14 hours ago, Denize said:

Apparently they bought the ugly house plus the adjacent vacant plot for that amount, both of which Janelle & Meri put money in the family account for.

Maybe they are planning to raze the house and build something even bigger using the adjacent lot, and then sell it back to Kody and Robyn for 1 billion dollars.

Edited November 7, 2024 by laurakaye

[Denize]

1 hour ago, laurakaye said:

Maybe they are planning to raze the house and build something even bigger using the adjacent lot, and then sell it back to Kody and Robyn for 1 billion dollars.

And Kody would think it was a good deal since the new owners would have paid what it costs to have natural gas & water lines installed out to the property, as well as air-conditioning and non-baby-poop-colored paint inside and out. And the rotted deck & un-grouted tile around the tiny fireplace would be gone.

Though he'd probably need a few working wives to pay for it. 

Edited November 7, 2024 by Denize

[laurakaye]

17 minutes ago, Denize said:

Though he'd probably need a few working wives to pay for it. 

Too bad for Kody - he's fresh out of working wives, including the one he lives with.  Maybe he's pushing Day'unAuroraBrianna to go to medical school as his retirement plan.  Or at the very least, sending one of them to cosmetology school so even when he's broke, he won't be bald.

[Auntie Freeze]

I didn't know Meri was at Gwen's engagement party too. No wonder production peed Gwen off. All the adults in one place that isn't under Kody's control.

 

Edited November 8, 2024 by Auntie Freeze

[Auntie Freeze]

Meri's face when she understands what Janelle is getting at. You can see the panic and double-thinking behind her eyes. Should she trust Janelle over Kody?

https://people.com/sister-wives-janelle-warns-meri-to-protect-coyote-pass-property-amid-kody-robyn-dispute-8740763

I'm actually looking forward to this next episode. (I'll never learn!😆 )

[Denize]

I think Janelle is just telling Meri the truth about K&R. Even in that one scene on CP we saw with Meri & Kody, Meri figured out that she may only get ~2 acres (~1/7th of all the CP lots) based on the names on the properties, not her fair share of what she has put into CP & Robyn's mansion & adjacent lot. Legally, Kody would only have to split the profit on that one lot with K,J&M each getting 1/3 of the value.

Edited November 8, 2024 by Denize

[LilyD]

The CP division has always confused me. 

I definitely remember the first map with the separate parcels and Meri's lovely "private" pond. And then there was a new one with a new division and with Kody and Robyn's names on almost all of them combined with those of the other wives. 

I'm quite sure I read somewhere (Reddit maybe??) that it was purely for the show as the splitting of one big parcel into separate pieces was both time-consuming and costly.  And the idea of doing that twice was ridiculous. 

But if this really happened; that leaves me with one big question: What were the OG3 thinking when formally signing away their rights to most of the land, by making Robyn and Kody the legal owners of most of it???

 

[65mickey]

They were thinking about this like they thought about pulling up stakes and moving to Flagstaff before they even sold their homes in Vegas. Kody told them how it was going to be so they agreed. And it looks like Meri wasn't even thinking that Robyn and Kody would screw her on the Coyote Pass property.  If this property was purchased out of the family savings account why did R&B end up the the lion's share?  It's hard to believe that 3 women with just average intelligence could have been so completely ignorant of what was going down with this property. 

[LotusFlower]

48 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

They were thinking about this like they thought about pulling up stakes and moving to Flagstaff before they even sold their homes in Vegas. Kody told them how it was going to be so they agreed. And it looks like Meri wasn't even thinking that Robyn and Kody would screw her on the Coyote Pass property.  If this property was purchased out of the family savings account why did R&B end up the the lion's share?  It's hard to believe that 3 women with just average intelligence could have been so completely ignorant of what was going down with this property. 

Kody (and Robyn) are very, very manipulative.  Kody has always had a hold over them, and they fall for it every time.  Alone with their thoughts, or in private confessionals, they’re angry, but they usually turn to putty in front of Kody.  Look how Janelle called him “honey” in the last episode as he was waging his agenda.  Look how Meri was all giggly around him when she needed his help moving.  Kody has expensive taste so he undoubtedly put up a manipulative, reasonable-sounding argument about the “family” to get the money for the house, and they acquiesced, as they always did. 

It makes Christine’s break from Kody even more impressive. 

[Denize]

1 hour ago, LotusFlower said:

It makes Christine’s break from Kody even more impressive. 

I wonder if she got advice or if it was just a fluke that Kody had to take his name off her house to reduce his debtload to qualify for one of the mortgages with Robyn? So Christine just played his own game on him.

Since this family has been and is often in debt, Kody probably persuaded the ladies that the confusing way names were put on CP parcels was a way of spreading the liabilities. But nobody thought to ask, then why is YOUR name on everything?  Does Kody pay the property taxes on everything?

[Roslyn]

On 11/8/2024 at 4:48 PM, LilyD said:

The CP division has always confused me. 

I definitely remember the first map with the separate parcels and Meri's lovely "private" pond. And then there was a new one with a new division and with Kody and Robyn's names on almost all of them combined with those of the other wives. 

I'm quite sure I read somewhere (Reddit maybe??) that it was purely for the show as the splitting of one big parcel into separate pieces was both time-consuming and costly.  And the idea of doing that twice was ridiculous. 

But if this really happened; that leaves me with one big question: What were the OG3 thinking when formally signing away their rights to most of the land, by making Robyn and Kody the legal owners of most of it???

 

When they first talked about the CP property they always referred to it as if it was one rectangle of 14 or so acres that they planned on making into their own subdivision. Based on a few things they have said back then that seemed to be the plan that Kody "sold" them on. However, after they bought the property and it was posted online about the sale, people knew that it was in fact four separate parcels that bordered each other in the rectangle shape. In the beginning they only showed this graphic.

Then the new idea came when Kody decided that he wanted the property divided into five lots because "No one can have control over the pond". He sang the song and danced the dance that since Lot 2 and 3 had trees, they would have the same value as Lot 4 and 5, which are double the size of them. Somehow in his dreams he thought that a house could be built on Lot 1 when there are boundary lines, a gas road easement and a flood retention pond.

Only recently have they shown the actual parcels as they exist in the real world.

The last parcel on the right is the one that Christine had her name on, but quick claimed it to just Kody and Robyn.

They have also finally confessed that they paid outright for the two large lots, yet owner financed the two smaller lots and signed a contract that states if the whole amount isn't paid off by June 2023 that the entire four lots revert back to the original owner. And Kody thought he had made such a great deal getting the seller/owner to drop the CC&R's to seal the "dill".

[smarty]

I look at it this way: they paid $820,000 for all of Coyote Pass.  If each of them owned an equal share (all 5 of them), in 2018 they each had $164,000 equity in it.  

They gave Christine $130,000 to put down on her house in Flagstaff.

They gave Robyn $222,500 to put down on her house in Flagstaff.

Christine quit claimed her share of Coyote Pass over to Kody when she left, but she kept the down payment and increase in value of her house (she sold it for $180,000 more than she paid for it plus she kept the $130,000 down payment).  So lets say Christine walked away with $310,000 (ignoring realtor fees).  

If Meri, Janelle, Robyn and Kody split Coyote Pass equally NOW they each have  $820,000/4 = $205,000.  Probably somewhat more, because you'd assume the land appreciated in 6 years.  

But Robyn still comes out WAYYYY ahead, because the house they bought for $890,000 sold for $1,775,000, for a gain of $885,000.  And as far as has been shared on the show, neither Meri nor Janelle got a share of the $222,500 down payment back either.  So she's sitting on $885,000 appreciation + $222,500 down payment = $1,110,000 worth of equity.  Plus she still gets her share of Coyote Pass.

Janelle really lost out....

[Soapy Goddess]

7 hours ago, smarty said:

Janelle really lost out....

Janelle is/was way too trusting. She should hire legal counsel, but something tells me she'd rather just drop it and move on. I hope I'm wrong.

[Absolom]

She needs a good lawyer with a forensic accountant.

[65mickey]

The difficulty comes from neither Meri nor Janelle being legally married to Kody at the time all of this went down. I would imagine that legally this is no different than several friends getting together and pooling money into a savings account. First off I would love to know whose names were on the family accounts? Surely to God this money was not in just Kody's name. Maybe it was in the Brown Family LLC which would be better. But I have a feeling that the family account has been drained.   At least Janelle was seeing a lawyer to find out what could be done with the Coyote Pass property. 

Are there actual deeds filed in the clerk's office with the title holder's names on these 5 parcels of property?  Or it this just something that Kody and the wives came up with? 

[AZChristian]

9 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

Are there actual deeds filed in the clerk's office with the title holder's names on these 5 parcels of property?  Or it this just something that Kody and the wives came up with? 

There are four parcels on file with the Coconino County property records.  I've intentionally excluded the addresses to avoid breaking PTV rules.

[smarty]

If you break down how the original land cost by who was on the deed:

1.  Christine, Kody and Robyn : $300,000  (Christine was taken off in 2019)

2. Kody and Robyn: $170,000

3. Kody and Janelle: $170,000 

4. Kody, Janelle and Meri: $180,000

So legally Janelle owns half of $170,000 and one third of $180,000.   Meri only owns one third of $180,000.

This is exactly why they say polygamy is unfair to the "not legal" wives.  Janelle and Meri will have to sue for their fair share - which at the least is 1/4 the total of Coyote Pass and a share of the $222,500 down payment on Robyn's house.  No way should Janelle only be walking away with $145,000 and Meri $60,000 that they legally are titled to on Coyote Pass.  

Plus, that's not even taking into account the lump sum payment of $292,000 that was made in June of 2023 to pay off Coyote Pass.  Who put that money up?  I'd assume it came from the family account but if not, Janelle had to pay a share of that cutting into her net "estate".

[65mickey]

But if Janelle and Meri's names are not on the other 2 parcels that are titled to Kody and Robyn how can they have a  claim to the proceeds if these 2 parcels are sold?  I doubt that they are going to get any money out of Kody. He scammed his first 3 wives big time to provide for a cushy life with Robyn and her kids. 

[ginger90]

3 hours ago, smarty said:

1.  Christine, Kody and Robyn : $300,000  (Christine was taken off in 2019)

 

It was recorded on 08/02/2022.

Edited November 10, 2024 by ginger90

[mythoughtis]

The previews for next week’s  episode show  Ysabel distraught that David might replace Kody. 
 

Speculating why she would think that? 
1) Polygamists sometimes reassign wives and offspring regardless  of anyone’s wishes? 

2) She actually thinks  Christine will deny her seeing Kody/ vice-versa?

3) Kody has no interest in seeing Ysabel? 
 

I don’t see 1 or 2 coming into play here. They were AUB not FLDS.  Christine doesn’t like Kody, but she’s not going to deny her kids the chance to see him. In addition Ysabel is an adult and can drive herself to Flagstaff  if she wants  

it’s number 3 and  has nothing to do with David or Christine.   Kody only cares about the kids at Robyn’s house.  

 

 
 

[precious pupp]

Kody wasn't there for her when Ysabel needed him most.  It wouldn't have killed him to participate in her aftercare, if he was dead set on not traveling for the surgery.  Robyn was a total selfish bitch to tether him to her chateau, and she had the balls to whine, "my kids can't be without their dad."  Meanwhile, all the other children that bastard sired had to make do without him at all.  😡

 

[Natalie68]

On 11/9/2024 at 8:42 AM, LotusFlower said:

Kody (and Robyn) are very, very manipulative.  Kody has always had a hold over them, and they fall for it every time.  Alone with their thoughts, or in private confessionals, they’re angry, but they usually turn to putty in front of Kody.  Look how Janelle called him “honey” in the last episode as he was waging his agenda.  Look how Meri was all giggly around him when she needed his help moving.  Kody has expensive taste so he undoubtedly put up a manipulative, reasonable-sounding argument about the “family” to get the money for the house, and they acquiesced, as they always did. 

It makes Christine’s break from Kody even more impressive. 

I think a lot of how they are around Kody is 'managing' him.  They know he has an explosive temper and is an ass.  Although Meri would take him back in a heartbeat.  

[65mickey]

I think she would also. And I think he will be nice and pleasant to her so she will accept the small amount of property or money that he will say is her share of Coyote Pass. I just hope she will listen to Janelle and and not fall for this. 

[Twopper]

I don't post here much like I used to, but wow!!!  Had no idea the house sold and they had bought another one.   I did  think it sounds like the house Christine and her new husband whose name escapes me  would want with the big kitchen and plenty of parking.   

Is this supposed to be for another season where everyone is shown buying new houses and/or moving?   

[LilyD]

Wait.... did I read this correctly? Did K&R manage to sell their old house? When did that happen? Also wondering how much they eventually got it for....

[Kellyee]

1 hour ago, LilyD said:

Wait.... did I read this correctly? Did K&R manage to sell their old house? When did that happen? Also wondering how much they eventually got it for....

They actually sold it at a profit. There are news articles about it that you can Google. 

[ginger90]

1 hour ago, LilyD said:

Wait.... did I read this correctly? Did K&R manage to sell their old house? When did that happen? Also wondering how much they eventually got it for....

They closed on November 4th, for $1,775,000. I’m thinking the separate lot was included in the sale, but I don’t know for sure.

[mythoughtis]

I saw a rumor that Kody settled with Meri and Janelle regarding Coyote Pass last month. Anyone know if that is true or if people are confusing that property and the sale of Kody and Robyns’s house/adjacent lot? 

[AZChristian]

33 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

I saw a rumor that Kody settled with Meri and Janelle regarding Coyote Pass last month. Anyone know if that is true or if people are confusing that property and the sale of Kody and Robyns’s house/adjacent lot? 

As of yesterday, Meri and Janelle were both listed on lots at Coyote Pass.  If he "settled" with them, they haven't taken their names off the titles yet.

[GeorgiaRai]

Janelle & Maddie posted last week on Instagram that some grading has started at Taeda Farms, creating a spot for a garden, chicken coop & their "future home".  

"Clearing the Dream"

Edited January 29 by GeorgiaRai

[LilyD]

So, you hire this big, strong guy with a big strong machine that is pushing down your trees, and then you magically end up with an open space that is suitable for gardens and houses? 

Not saying you can’t do anything with that land, but it’s going to take lots and lots of time and money to make it suitable. Compared with this, CP was probably a lot easier to build on and look how long it took them there. Oh wait, they never even started there, did they?

 

[AZChristian]

50 minutes ago, LilyD said:

Not saying you can’t do anything with that land, but it’s going to take lots and lots of time and money to make it suitable. Compared with this, CP was probably a lot easier to build on and look how long it took them there. Oh wait, they never even started there, did they?

 

In order to start a project, you have to have a plan.  Kody's plan is to continue to running in circles and bitching about his ex-wives.

[BAForever]

On 1/28/2025 at 6:50 PM, GeorgiaRai said:

Janelle & Maddie posted last week on Instagram that some grading has started at Taeda Farms, creating a spot for a garden, chicken coop & their "future home".  

"Clearing the Dream"

Don't follow these people as much as others do- but just wondering, is the plan for Janelle to live in the same house as Maddie's family or an ADU type situation? Janelle's pretty low maintenance, she'd do just fine small.

Knowing how poorly they plan, no decision may have been made or disclosed yet, just pondering. 

[Auntie Freeze]

Wild speculation time. Remember Tony said in a talking head (or on a stream with Mykelti, I can't remember) that David was cool because he'd raised all those kids and not become an alcoholic or a gambling addict. Was he shading Kody? The way Janelle said she knows Kody drinks made me wonder. It would make leaving Vegas make more sense and, to some extent, the house full of expensive trash. Just a thought.

Edited February 3 by Auntie Freeze

[precious pupp]

Someone posted on Reddit a video of Robyn and Kody in Vegas, and claims they go there a lot.  So...money to piss away gambling, while they fight Christine regarding child support for Truely, and no help with medical bills for Ysabel, and Truely's kidney failure?  They are truly despicable, selfish, sorry excuses for parents (and human beings.)

[ginger90]

25 minutes ago, precious pupp said:

Someone posted on Reddit a video of Robyn and Kody in Vegas, and claims they go there a lot.  So...money to piss away gambling

Did the video show them gambling?

[mythoughtis]

The video I saw was of them going to a concert venue.  

[precious pupp]

36 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Did the video show them gambling?

Just another rumor, I guess.  I still think they're selfish and despicable.

[General Days]

 

1 hour ago, Auntie Freeze said:

Wild speculation time. Remember Tony said in a talking head (or on a stream with Mykelti, I can't remember) that David was cool because he'd raised all those kids and not become an alcoholic or a gambling addict. Was he shading Kody? The way Janelle said she knows Kody drinks made me wonder. It would make leaving Vegas make more sense and, to some extent, the house full of expensive trash. Just a thought.

 

Good topic. Thank you for posting something to take me out of my own head and my own life for a while. I'm going to blather at length about it, because denial ain't just a river in Egypt. 

 

ALCOHOL

Kody could have a drinking problem, but I tend to doubt it. A YouTuber, who should not evoke fortune telling in her name, pushed that rumor. The kids who've acknowledged that Kody will have a drink have also said he doesn't drink a lot.

 

GAMBLING

I know several non-gamblers who visit Vegas for other reasons. Shopping, restaurants, etc., can be more affordable (so that people will spend more money gambling). 

The Browns lived in Vegas for years. It's a big city within a few hours of Flagstaff, and it's one they know well. They have family and friends in St. George (which is close). Two of their kids live in Vegas (Logan, Hunter). Could Kody have a gambling problem? Sure. I don't think going to Vegas is evidence of it.

 

SHOPPING

More than one of the Browns have acknowledged Kody and Robyn have shopping issues (and we seem to have seen evidence of that in their possessions on the show). I think that is more likely than drinking and gambling. 

 

TONY

Tony is maybe a bigger Kody apologist than even Mykelti. Mykelti and Tony have indicated that something caused some distance between them and Robyn (and I guess from Kody). I don't follow their Patreon anymore, so I don't know what they've said recently, but even after they acknowledged that distance, they were ardent Kody and Robyn defenders.

I've watched Tony twist himself into an absolute pretzel, trying to rationalize Kody's bad on-screen behavior. I don't think Tony was shading Kody with that remark. I think Tony is awkward and a black-and-white thinker. He is also pretty straight-edged (I seem to recall he has never had a drink of alcohol). He wasn't a practicing Mormon for too too long after his conversion and mission, but I think the outward signs of morality appeal to Tony — that they're somehow easier for him to process.*

To me, his comment about David just sort of reveals how Tony sees the world. There's some truth behind Tony's statement — in that losing a spouse to suicide and being left to raise eight kids would have wrecked some people. I suspect that in Tony's mind "gambling and alcohol addictions" are how he's envisioning wreckage. 

 

 * Example of this: because the Browns stopped wearing their temple garments under clothes at some point when they lived in Las Vegas, Tony insists they don't believe the religion. In Tony's head there's no, "Well, they believe a lot of the teachings about God, but think a lot of the rules about coffee and underwear are silly."

A person can still have the basic worldview of a fundy Mormon, or a Roman Catholic, or a [insert your religion of choice here], while disregarding some of the more surface stuff.

Unless that person is Tony.

[Orcinus orca]

2 hours ago, precious pupp said:

...and no help with medical bills for Ysabel...

No worries, Sparkle Pony grifted her adoring fans to pay for that with a convenient online giving app.

[Auntie Freeze]

I was unaware that person without a single clue had pushed this narrative. I don't give them clicks. 😄

I just thought alcohol and gambling (rather than drink and drugs) were a weird thing to say. There was something in Janelle's way of speaking that made me think he's possibly a steady drinker. I need to rewatch. Then Kody's nonsense about tiny sips of whisky and stuff just sounded fake as hell. So maybe you don't like whisky but what is your poison. Like Robyn twisting around being oddly specific about not ever drinking a shot in a bar. So do you do shots at home then? As always, it's what they blatantly try not to say that leaves me with questions I'd not have had.

[General Days]

4 minutes ago, Auntie Freeze said:

I was unaware that person without a single clue had pushed this narrative. I don't give them clicks. 😄

I just thought alcohol and gambling (rather than drink and drugs) were a weird thing to say. There was something in Janelle's way of speaking that made me think he's possibly a steady drinker. I need to rewatch. Then Kody's nonsense about tiny sips of whisky and stuff just sounded fake as hell. So maybe you don't like whisky but what is your poison. Like Robyn twisting around being oddly specific about not ever drinking a shot in a bar. So do you do shots at home then? As always, it's what they blatantly try not to say that leaves me with questions I'd not have had.

 

You're right. The gambling thing (rather than "drink and drugs") is a little weird. 

I think I'm going to watch a second time, too. Last night, I think I wondered if Janelle's hesitance was because she was trying to not discuss Robyn.

It wouldn't matter any more, because Robyn's oldest three are adults, but it seems to me there was something Robyn and Preston Jessop's divorce or custody agreement which specified no drinking around (Robyn's three oldest) kids for either Preston or Robyn.

If it the Browns made that a rule of caution for the family, for a long time, it might have momentarily tripped up Janelle. Just a thought.

 

[Elodia]

3 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

The video I saw was of them going to a concert venue.  

Oooh, was Robyn dressed in black and was she wearing lots of heavy make up? Ya know, just like Janelle did? *clutching my pearls*

[precious pupp]

5 hours ago, Elodia said:

Oooh, was Robyn dressed in black and was she wearing lots of heavy make up? Ya know, just like Janelle did? *clutching my pearls*

I remember Robyn talking about Janelle going to rock concerts, like it was some shameful activity.  Robyn really tries to come off as Miss Purity sometimes, IMO.  

 

[Natalie68]

14 hours ago, precious pupp said:

I remember Robyn talking about Janelle going to rock concerts, like it was some shameful activity.  Robyn really tries to come off as Miss Purity sometimes, IMO.  

 

I think perhaps Robyn is regretting the reborn Polly Puritan persona.  She wants to bring back the 19 year old dancing queen from the old videos of her.  She has pigeon holed herself into this boring ass persona while her ex porch denizens are living their best lives taking shots and visiting the desert pod fulla stuff.

[Meow Mix]

I don't think Kody has an alcohol or gambling problem, but I do think he has gotten into online testosterone supplements.  His behavior for several seasons now has been very twitchy and erratic and he can go from calm to screaming incoherently in a matter of seconds.  Robyn's a fool to subject her younger kids to that.

[LilyD]

Iirc the AUB forbids alcohol. Kody is no longer an AUB member of course, so  I interpreted Janelle's comment as a reference to yet another bit of the faith or old lifestyle he abandoned.

And yes, I can see him using steroids. it would improve his muscles (therefore his manly looks) which is important to him. It would also explain his explosive and erratic behaviour.