Spoiler, Speculation and Social Media

[Irate Panda]

10 minutes ago, crazycatlady58 said:

I work retail and trust me it is not so easy that anyone could do it.  From this statement it sounds like any dullard can do customer service. You probably did not mean that and I probably am a little sensitive to remarks putting down the industry. I have been told that I am to smart for retail and once was told that a monkey could do my job.

I think maybe people were mentioning retail because Robyn was bragging about Kody being her ‘best customer” on the last episode.

 

Retail in general I think is extremely hard both physically and mentally.  I could never deal with the public so much.  I don’t have the patience!  I really admire people in customer service because I get irritated just walking in a grocery store and hearing from other customers.

[Irate Panda]

I don’t think Robyn will ever get a job or will consider posting money memes to her vision board a job.  However, if forced to work she could dust off her 90s long-legged jeans to be a backup dancer to any washed up boy band from the 90s.  

98 degrees

doesn’t want her, but I guess 99 degrees does

 

[LilyD]

On 1/9/2023 at 12:22 PM, HeyDougieHowser said:

According to Kodys nephew, Winn was physically abusive. Kody was the disappointing son, the one who hated the cold and the hard work of the ranch and wasn't manly enough.I think Kody went into plural marriage wanting to prove his masculinity to his Dad.

I don’t know anything about Winn. But I think that the Kody of some 40 years ago was an insecure teenager that likely fell short with his peers and possibly his dad. Polygamy was Kody’s way of showing off: Telling the world that he actually was awesome, very masculine, fertile and a highly desirable match. It made him confident and strong in his own little kingdom.

In one episode, they went back to his hometown. Kody clearly expected to be admired and applauded with his 4 wives and all those kids. He thought his school friends would be sick with envy. In truth, they were appalled, condemned his lifestyle and had little interest in rekindling any friendship.  Kody was in total shock when reality finally sunk in. You could see all the cracks in his confidence. He could be King in his plyg kingdom, but cross the border and he literally became the nobody again he had always been.

[Teafortwo]

1 hour ago, crazycatlady58 said:

I work retail and trust me it is not so easy that anyone could do it.  From this statement it sounds like any dullard can do customer service. You probably did not mean that and I probably am a little sensitive to remarks putting down the industry. I have been told that I am to smart for retail and once was told that a monkey could do my job.

I think Ginger90 was referring to Robyn's remark that she treats Kody like her 'best customer." 

[crazycatlady58]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

Robyn said, “They’re not looking at it like, ‘Oh, in my marriage, I’m going to treat this person like my best customer.’ In my marriage, when I have a problem, I’m not going to call him a name. I’m not going to hit below the belt. I’m not going to treat him like crap. I’m not going to do the silent treatment”.

 

Get it now?

Yes. I do apologize. I am sorry that I over reacted.

[goofygirl]

3 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

Or get a job.  Wonder what she is qualified to do?

Sleep? Sure isn't CRYING!  Maybe the nanny needs a NANNY! Better yet....

Sales at the local Victoria's Secret ?

Professional whiner?

[Teafortwo]

Someone posted this on Reddit. I'm putting it here because that's technically social media:

https://hayleycakesandcookies.com/product/sister-wife-cookies/

[goofygirl]

4 minutes ago, Teafortwo said:

Someone posted this on Reddit. I'm putting it here because that's technically social media:

https://hayleycakesandcookies.com/product/sister-wife-cookies/

Hayley's cookies look cute but they seem a tad bit expensive to me.  She might want to re-think the Sister Wife thing, too.

[Art Of Noiz]

9 hours ago, Pickleinthemiddle said:

None of them have been unsealed.  So technically he would still have his planet if he choose to call them through the 

Is the veil to heaven? I mean, that's a huge assumption in light of his treatment of these women and children.

And do they have to answer the call? 

[Lady of nod]

11 hours ago, Libby said:

I want to know what's going to happen with the money.

Christine seems to be satisfied with the money that she walked away with.

I hope that things work out financially for Meri and Janelle too.

Well Meri got that b and  b in Utah she just had to have while they were scraping up money to go to Flagstaff, if I remember correctly, so I  wouldn’t worry about her. She know how to get what she wants (except Kodouch).  Christine had a house to sell in Flagstaff. What does Janelle  get????

[Irate Panda]

Despite Kody’s nonsense I think he would find it hard not to have his own planet.  After they’re all gone from this world I speculate he would try and call all his exes through the veil.  Personally, if he did I hope they’d be like 

[Absolom]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/sister-wives-star-kody-brown-s-exes-gearing-up-with-lawyers-seeking-spousal-support-from-father-of-18-as-everyone-takes-sides/ar-AA169qn1?li=BBnb2gh

That should anger Kody.  Someone going after his money seems to be one of his big fears.

[Irate Panda]

I don’t see how any of them could get spousal support…even if there were spousal support for these spiritual “marriages” Kody would probably be seeking it from them since they probably all out earn him at this point.  I hope they do get their money back from any money put into Robyn’s house and I hope they force a sale of plague pass.  

[Pickleinthemiddle]

4 hours ago, Art Of Noiz said:

And do they have to answer the call? 

I don't know about that.  But I remember someone saying that the husband doesn't have to call them.  I guess if they haven't been a good sister wife.

[LilyD]

6 hours ago, Absolom said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/sister-wives-star-kody-brown-s-exes-gearing-up-with-lawyers-seeking-spousal-support-from-father-of-18-as-everyone-takes-sides/ar-AA169qn1?li=BBnb2gh

That should anger Kody.  Someone going after his money seems to be one of his big fears.

Interesting if true, but I’m not sure. The spousal support sounds ridiculous if you ask me. Technically, these women have been on their own for years and done great, so any claim for spousal support is probably going to fall through because of that. Surely, they must know.

The only truth I see lies in asking lawyers to untangle that financial mess of theirs to get their fair share out of it. Now that would probably make for some interesting tv! I’d love to see Kody forced to sell the land and hopefully his house to compensate Janelle and Meri!*

* Iirc, Meri wanted the family to chip in for that B&B but Kody refused. (It was on the show and left Meri baffled and disappointed) She must have found other ways to finance it as it didn’t come from the family.

[Auntie Freeze]

Yeah, I absolutely think that IF there are lawyers, it's to unravel the finances. They were all probably equal partners in the business that got the TLC money yet it's not been distributed that way. Janelle knows where those bodies are buried. Both Janelle and Meri are owed money. If I were Christine, I'd be offering support and standing with them but not actually seeking anything.

[RazzleberryPie]

1 hour ago, LilyD said:

Interesting if true, but I’m not sure. The spousal support sounds ridiculous if you ask me. Technically, these women have been on their own for years and done great, so any claim for spousal support is probably going to fall through because of that. Surely, they must know.

The only truth I see lies in asking lawyers to untangle that financial mess of theirs to get their fair share out of it. Now that would probably make for some interesting tv! I’d love to see Kody forced to sell the land and hopefully his house to compensate Janelle and Meri!*

* Iirc, Meri wanted the family to chip in for that B&B but Kody refused. (It was on the show and left Meri baffled and disappointed) She must have found other ways to finance it as it didn’t come from the family.

They almost did fine financially bc Janelle were single moms with 5-6 kids each and eligible for a lot of assistance. They still all applied for bankruptcy at times. Now that all the kids except Truly and Savannah are grown and kicked out of the nests, plus the decade of Sister Wives incomes, they’re SOL for alimony.  Spousal support, IMO, requires an actual legal spouse, so good luck there. 

[GeeGolly]

I didn't read the article but if the Browns hiring anyone they should be hiring an accountant. The way they've been talking about their house purchases, loans and such makes them a target for the IRS. Add in the MLMs and they're a bigger target.

I do hope Meri and Janelle get the money they loaned back.

[ginger90]

1 hour ago, LilyD said:

Interesting if true, but I’m not sure. The spousal support sounds ridiculous if you ask me. Technically, these women have been on their own for years and done great, so any claim for spousal support is probably going to fall through because of that. Surely, they must know.

The only truth I see lies in asking lawyers to untangle that financial mess of theirs to get their fair share out of it. Now that would probably make for some interesting tv! I’d love to see Kody forced to sell the land and hopefully his house to compensate Janelle and Meri!*

* Iirc, Meri wanted the family to chip in for that B&B but Kody refused. (It was on the show and left Meri baffled and disappointed) She must have found other ways to finance it as it didn’t come from the family.

Found this:

 

Arizona does not recognize common law marriage in any form. As such, cohabitating in Arizona will not create any presumption of marriage and cohabitating couples that are ending their relationship will not be able to use the Arizona divorce/family law process to assist them with dividing property.

[mythoughtis]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

Found this:

 

Arizona does not recognize common law marriage in any form. As such, cohabitating in Arizona will not create any presumption of marriage and cohabitating couples that are ending their relationship will not be able to use the Arizona divorce/family law process to assist them with dividing property.

I agree that’s the law and I agree with the spirit of it too. A legal marriage has legal and financial benefits and drawbacks.  It was designed that way.  You don’t get the marriage benefits if you aren’t married.   Of course, you don’t get the legal marriage drawbacks if you aren’t married either.  
 

The Browns knew all this too.  That why they had to ( or got to) go about property ownership, birth certificates, single mom status, etc  the way they did.  After all, it’s why Meri divorced Kody and Robyn legally married him. 

Edited January 11, 2023 by mythoughtis

[Libby]

James on My Take on Reality said that there are rules regarding withdrawals from an LLC.

He said that if Robyn or Kody were taking unapproved funds out of the business, it is not only unethical, it is a crime.

The original LLC that TLC was paying into had all of the adults names on it. If this is the family account that Janelle was talking about when she said that money was being spent on "other things", Kody and Robyn could be in big trouble.

[StatisticalOutlier]

2 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Arizona does not recognize common law marriage in any form. As such, cohabitating in Arizona will not create any presumption of marriage and cohabitating couples that are ending their relationship will not be able to use the Arizona divorce/family law process to assist them with dividing property.

Even in states that do recognize common-law marriage, cohabiting alone never creates a common-law marriage. 

(Heh--"cohabiting alone."  I mean that just because a couple lives together, or lives together for a certain amount of time (common lore has it at seven years, for some reason), that alone will never establish a common-law marriage.  There are other requirements that must be met in order to establish a common-law marriage.)

[Absolom]

Very few states still recognize any common law marriage at all.  Way back when more states had recognizable common law marriages, it was still one marriage at a time and in addition to actually living together (Kody's situation wouldn't apply) they had to "hold themselves out" to the community as married.  Even with common law, Kody is still married to one woman and had several girl friends.

[Mother of Odin]

On 12/30/2022 at 6:49 PM, Libby said:

Gwen's latest video on YouTube. I don't think she said anything that revealing.

 

Gwen is autistic?

[GeeGolly]

5 minutes ago, Mother of Odin said:

Gwen is autistic?

Apparently she has been diagnosed with autism. There's a huge spectrum. I'm guessing she falls more in the, formerly known as, Asperger's, end.

[Art Of Noiz]

4 hours ago, Auntie Freeze said:

Yeah, I absolutely think that IF there are lawyers, it's to unravel the finances. They were all probably equal partners in the business that got the TLC money yet it's not been distributed that way. Janelle knows where those bodies are buried. Both Janelle and Meri are owed money. If I were Christine, I'd be offering support and standing with them but not actually seeking anything.

I do not have all the land records, etc...but quite a while ago, I read that  Bonnie sold her house and put the money toward the B&B.  

[Granny58]

15 hours ago, LilyD said:

I don’t know anything about Winn. But I think that the Kody of some 40 years ago was an insecure teenager that likely fell short with his peers and possibly his dad. Polygamy was Kody’s way of showing off: Telling the world that he actually was awesome, very masculine, fertile and a highly desirable match. It made him confident and strong in his own little kingdom.

In one episode, they went back to his hometown. Kody clearly expected to be admired and applauded with his 4 wives and all those kids. He thought his school friends would be sick with envy. In truth, they were appalled, condemned his lifestyle and had little interest in rekindling any friendship.  Kody was in total shock when reality finally sunk in. You could see all the cracks in his confidence. He could be King in his plyg kingdom, but cross the border and he literally became the nobody again he had always been.

I think both could be true.  

5 hours ago, LilyD said:

* Iirc, Meri wanted the family to chip in for that B&B but Kody refused. (It was on the show and left Meri baffled and disappointed) She must have found other ways to finance it as it didn’t come from the family.

And hopefully that serves her well, disentangled from the Brown franchise.  

[ginger90]

Gwen commenting on season 17, episode 4:

 

 

[Absolom]

Does she have anything worthwhile to say?  I won't last 24 minutes.

[GeeGolly]

Just now, Absolom said:

Does she have anything worthwhile to say?  I won't last 24 minutes.

I'm watching it now. I'm struggling.

[Auntie Freeze]

My main take away was that Gabe (at least, Gwen indicated multiple kids) is absolutely done with Kidney.

Oh and gwen was initially going to move in with Gabe and Garrison which is cute.

[GeeGolly]

Made it 7 minutes.

[Tuxcat]

27 minutes ago, Auntie Freeze said:

My main take away was that Gabe (at least, Gwen indicated multiple kids) is absolutely done with Kidney.

Oh and gwen was initially going to move in with Gabe and Garrison which is cute.

Except in another breath she says she can't talk about spoilers. So it's hard to tell if she is talking about now or then in most of her comments.

[Art Of Noiz]

Gwen's podcast. I made it all the way through. She's not telling much, except that Robyn runs that show. Robyn is the patriarch. Lol.

Gwen is so diplomatic. I wonder if that's because her childhood was spent listening to the moms measured responses,  excuses for polygamy, etc. She's amazingly noncommittal, even better than Janelle. 

I like her. 

[Cetacean]

8 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Apparently she has been diagnosed with autism. There's a huge spectrum. I'm guessing she falls more in the, formerly known as, Asperger's, end.

Do we actually know that or is this just something that she threw out there?

[Auntie Freeze]

She spoke about having been diagnosed in an earlier video. She also said it was possible other family members might be similar but undiagnosed and that was their business. Or sentiment to that effect. This was in response to a question about other family members being on the spectrum, iirc.

Edited January 12, 2023 by Auntie Freeze

[GeeGolly]

14 minutes ago, Cetacean said:

Do we actually know that or is this just something that she threw out there?

Someone on here said Gwen suspected autism after seeing a few TikToks, so she went and got evaluated. She was then diagnosed. That's all I know about it.

[SunnyBeBe]

I watched all of Gwen’s podcast.  At marker 19 Gwen says though she was young when the show started, her mom was an outspoken woman and that Kody did not speak down to her  in private.  And, that Kody didn’t bully people for no reason.  Shen then says she is close to Meri and that Meri and Leon are doing better. She didn’t attend Bonnie’s funeral, but wish she had.  She says they all have favorite siblings and her favorite is Ysabell.  She doesn’t have a contract to not speak about certain things.  

Edited January 12, 2023 by SunnyBeBe

[Rabbit Hutch]

On 1/10/2023 at 7:34 PM, Irate Panda said:

I think maybe people were mentioning retail because Robyn was bragging about Kody being her ‘best customer” on the last episode.

Retail in general I think is extremely hard both physically and mentally.  I could never deal with the public so much.  I don’t have the patience!  I really admire people in customer service because I get irritated just walking in a grocery store and hearing from other customers.

Agreed.  I had a hard time working in retail.  That and waitressing were among my first jobs and it's from working those jobs that I can barely stand the public all of these years later.  I have a hard time with extremely entitled customers who think they're smarter than the employees, who BTW, have seen and heard EVERYTHING. 

I also have a smart mouth and I loved using it. Looking back I'm shocked I didn't get fired, but I guess my competence and the lack of anyone to hire to replace me probably protected me somewhat.  😛

I especially can't stand the stupid ones.  😒  OMG, some folks are so stupid!!

BLESS ALL of the retail workers, and the waitresses.  At least my experience taught me patience, and how to tip!  😁

[Art Of Noiz]

Re: Robyn. I can't imagine a person less suited for customer service. If she perceived attack, or thought she was being bullied! Omgosh the customer would get the drycry face. Lol. 

[Elizzikra]

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I don’t see how any of them could get spousal support…even if there were spousal support for these spiritual “marriages” Kody would probably be seeking it from them since they probably all out earn him at this point.  I hope they do get their money back from any money put into Robyn’s house and I hope they force a sale of plague pass.  

Spousal support, no, but I think that they could make an argument toward back child support. However (and it's a big one) that would legally jeopardize the wives if they stated on any legal document that the paternity of the child was unknown (for example, if they had collected any sort of benefit like food stamps). Honestly, I'd be shocked if they had anyone with any sort of authority going through their finances, though I suppose a private attorney would be bound by confidentiality. Is there such a thing as accountant/client privilege? Or if an accountant uncovered something shady in their financial dealings, would he/she be obliged to report it to appropriate authorities?

[goofygirl]

I'd be more interested in Prairie Plague Pass and why Douchie and Mrs. Douchie's name are on all 5 parcels.  This seems to be where they need a good real estate lawyer.

That whole spousal support thing is a non-starter, IMHO.

Real estate? YES.

[Art Of Noiz]

Paedon did a 3 hr live with Jon Yates. Paedon has his mom's habit of repeating himself. I found it a little hard to follow, but he really spilled some tea, lots about Meri. He wants to say way more than he did, but won't give away spoilers, or jeopardize his family's livelihood. 

Its worth the time. Imo. 

Edited to add. Dude needs his own thread. He's been wanting to talk for 12 years!

Edited January 12, 2023 by Art Of Noiz
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[kayak]

Is someone willing to summarize? I refuse to patronize John Yates.

 

[Tuxcat]

29 minutes ago, Art Of Noiz said:

Paedon did a 3 hr live with Jon Yates. Paedon has his mom's habit of repeating himself. I found it a little hard to follow, but he really spilled some tea, lots about Meri. He wants to say way more than he did, but won't give away spoilers, or jeopardize his family's livelihood. 

Its worth the time. Imo. 

Edited to add. Dude needs his own thread. He's been wanting to talk for 12 years!

Jon Yates has some seriously problematic takes - google him before you give him a view.

And Paedon is just a showboat spewing for attention.  He sounds just like his father. Plus he's talking about fake women's crying. Women's lack of respect. He accuses Gwen of using her bisexualtiy and autism to avoid criticism. He of course attacks Leon and Meri and says that no one talks to them. Accuses Meri of abuse and says that Leon being gay is Meri's punishment. He misgenders Leon multiple times, uses homophobic slurs (while saying he's not homophobic).  I don't question his experience but I do question his motivation and these sweeping generalizations. He seems very confused on things and to me it sounds like he is getting his info. from social media.

For example,  he was mad that Logan put Meri up front and that Christine was in the second row. But Gwen already explained that Christine moved to the second row aisle so she could film and livestream for Mykelti. Paedon is just a sh*t stirrer.

[Auntie Freeze]

Down The Rabbithole At Bedtime has pulled some clips which might be an easier watch than 4 hours of Yates. I'm sure other creators will as well.

I'd hope Paedon Googled before he did that live but I'm guessing he didn't cos he's his father's son.

Edit: At least Gwen has the wit to make a little money from her tales and put them out herself.

Edited January 12, 2023 by Auntie Freeze

[Auntie Freeze]

I'm watching this, for my sins. I can see why he says his mom looks at him sometimes and has to adjust her expectations of the man she'd like him to be vs who he is. I'll leave it there.

[Cetacean]

5 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

And Paedon is just a showboat spewing for attention.  He sounds just like his father.

Sadly, I agree.  He's a mini Kootie with a toxic mind.

[Meh]

Isn't the TLC money they all earn, put into a "family pot?" I imagine each wife was given money monthly from that "pot" for their personal living expenses, like rent, utilities, food, gas,  etc?  It is money they all earned, but Kody doles it out like it is his own personal money. Anyway, once they all separated from him, I bet he decided to stop those monthly payments, and that is why they have hired lawyers to get "spousal support." It is not really that, but money from the TLC "pot" that they have all earned and he is most likely with holding it now. Leaving them all with no income at all.

[ginger90]

I very much doubt the hiring lawyers stories. Just because “sources” say they should, doesn’t make it true.