S18.E20: Sister Wives Look Back (Special Episode)

[altopower]

Created because the official thread is still locked 10 minutes into the episode.

I really love Meri's comments about "Were you lying then or are you lying now?" about Kody talking about being in love with all his wives.

Maybe I'm the only one watching this after all. I clearly don't have much of a life if I'm watching Kody be a moron on Christmas Eve.

[mythoughtis]

He loved his wives… but his marriages were all 16 years old or more.  He’d lost the in love feeling.   He fell in love with the new  wife because she was NEW and shiny. This was always going to end in divorce for the other three.   

[altopower]

1 minute ago, mythoughtis said:

He fell in love with the new  wife because she was NEW and shiny.

Yup. New and shiny and pretty.

And wow - younger Robyn looked so much like Breana and AuROARa look now. Egads. And her neck was much smaller.
 

But dang, those brown dresses were so NOT attractive.

Kody was wrong. Just wrong when he picked the dress. And Robyn asked him not to tell the others that he picked it which is also evil.

[Granny58]

Idiot STILL won't admit his error with the wedding dress.😠

[mythoughtis]

Kody- husbands don’t pick the dress.   And  you are switching from ‘ I loved my wives’ to ‘ I didn’t want to marry Christine.’   All in the same talking head 

Edited December 25, 2023 by mythoughtis

[altopower]

I do not believe for one minute that Kody was working on his other marriages when he married Robyn. His whole world narrowed down to Robyn and maybe her kids because they were hers.

[Granny58]

Oh kody.  If the OG3 say theres a difference in your relationships then accept that you're just not seeing it!

[gentlespirit512]

Yes, I have no life. Watching this mess on Christmas Eve. One question, do Kody and Robyn on their wedding day look as in love as David and Christine did the other night? I’m not seeing it.

And love vomit? Sheesh!

[altopower]

Ah yes, the escape to Las Vegas. 

Gathering the family together in prayer isn't something they did much if at all after they moved. 

[mythoughtis]

4 minutes ago, altopower said:

Ah yes, the escape to Las Vegas. 

Gathering the family together in prayer isn't something they did much if at all after they moved. 

Notice how they gloss over the three days notice to the kids 

[altopower]

These relationship building clips are hard to watch. 

[CSunshine76]

I hate this asshat Kody. He doesn’t even try to redeem himself. Please go away from our TVs forever. 

[altopower]

And there goes Robyn, unable to watch the clip with tears in her voice as she unclips the recorder or whatever. 

That family commitment service was all made for TV. I've never heard of a family doing that for no reason. Or really at all.

[mythoughtis]

3 minutes ago, altopower said:

And there goes Robyn, unable to watch the clip with tears in her voice as she unclips the recorder or whatever. 

That family commitment service was all made for TV. I've never heard of a family doing that for no reason. Or really at all.

But she’s not Dramatic.  None of the OG wives carry on like her…. And it’s their marriages that imploded. Even Meri quit crying years ago. 

Edited December 25, 2023 by mythoughtis

[altopower]

Yeah, that Commitment to grow together worked out well, didn't it?

Well, this was fun. Not. 

[Julyolo]

These old clips are doing an excellent job IMO at showing how false Robyn and Kody have been all along with the other wives, and also how desperate and frantic they are now to control a narrative, that will make them look favorable to the viewers.  It's actually very sad and sickening to me how Kody and Robyn manipulated the other wives. 

[CSunshine76]

That Robyn “breakdown” was hilarious. Fake and dramatic much?!! 

[Gramto6]

Dang missed the note about this thread!! Guess I'm pathetic too watching on Christmas Eve...

@CSunshine76 yeah the breakdown was so fake! I looked really hard to see a tear...none to be found!

Edited December 25, 2023 by Gramto6

[SemiCharmedLife]

1 hour ago, CSunshine76 said:

That Robyn “breakdown” was hilarious. Fake and dramatic much?!! 

Thanks, Christine!  😂

[endure]

2 hours ago, altopower said:

And there goes Robyn, unable to watch the clip with tears in her voice as she unclips the recorder or whatever. 

That family commitment service was all made for TV. I've never heard of a family doing that for no reason. Or really at all.

Why can’t she watch it ….. or is she just being dramatic?

[renatae]

So many missing tears from Robyn's "sadness."

One by one, he told the others he didn't want to be in a relationship with them.

And he's so betrayed! The audacity! He can't imagine what went wrong. Oh, he was just acting till Robyn came along! That's it!

Asshat.

Edited December 26, 2023 by renatae

[endure]

Strange how Kody claims he was faking it all back in the day yet he seemed pretty sincere then, and now we see him as nothing but a fake, cruel, angry old asshole. And his soulmate is just as fake and nobody likes or supports them.  Even his children can't stand him and it has nothing to do with Christine. And I love that all his former wives are just happy to have moved on and away from him.  And he is the one left behind, bitter, resentful with his tearful(less) hag of a wife when he should be rejoicing that he found his soulmate and managed to get rid of other wives without any major issues. 

Edited December 25, 2023 by endure

[surfgirl]

Sobbyn is a dramatic twat. 

[Rabbit Hutch]

Kody initially loved the O.G. NOT AT ALL.  I believe him when he said something to the effect of acting out "in love" due to his religion.  Moreover, they had gotten the show and THEY ALL wanted to prove polygamy was a viable familial set up. What a scam, and they're all lying liars who lied.  😉

To this day Janelle is still flapping her gums about either going back to Kootie or even entering another family!  This is after them failing miserably.  😓

Kootie is a narcissist and narcissists only truly love themselves.  Everything else is smoke and mirrors.  🥱

 

[Yeah No]

43 minutes ago, Rabbit Hutch said:

Kody initially loved the O.G. NOT AT ALL.  I believe him when he said something to the effect of acting out "in love" due to his religion.  Moreover, they had gotten the show and THEY ALL wanted to prove polygamy was a viable familial set up. What a scam, and they're all lying liars who lied.  😉

I've always thought that.  I don't think marriage in their religion is supposed to have anything to do with love, at least not romantic love the way the monogamous world defines it.  After all, if romantic love were a part of it how unrealistic would it be to expect the husband in a polygamous marriage to be equally "fair" to each of the wives?  The heart wants what it wants and will naturally favor and be more "in love" with one wife over the others.  That's why "eros" or romantic love is probably discouraged in their world.  Of course religious sects and cults throw the word "love" around like we all love each other as "family", but familial love and romantic love are two different things.  Kody probably never experienced romantic love in the sense that the non-polygamous world means it until he just happened to fall in love with Robyn.  Although I have to say that after watching this episode it looks to me like he was already "in love" with her when he married her, which he should have known would be fraught with danger.  Or maybe by that point he just didn't care and was following his heart.  But it was irresponsible and unfair to do to the other wives.  But self-centered bastard that he is, he didn't care about them, only himself.

To illustrate what I mean about being "in love" versus just loving someone, I have to go way back to when I was in young and fell in love with my then boyfriend.  After a few months of him saying "I love you" he confessed that while he "loved" me, he was not "in love" with me.  I learned a BIG lesson after that about what that means and learned the signs.  My husband was head over heels for me.  Our friends used to call him "hopeless", LOL.  I had zero doubt that he was "in love" with me.  Kody was probably very convincing and high on his religious messages that made him "love everybody".  It made it easier for him to act the part of someone "in love" because it was supposedly God's will for him to love these women.  So he probably convinced the women of it.  And back then he probably would have thought he was in love with the OG wives.  He was just confused about what that meant by his religious messages.  Until he met Robyn and finally learned the difference for himself.

[ragingpixie]

One of the things that makes Kody simply insufferable at this point is his legitimate belief that he's been wronged. He is absolutely convinced of his own suffering. Nothing that any TV host, wife, or the general public says will change his mind. His love for Robyn has blinded him to his own assholery.

Robyn, on the other hand, despite having a low IQ and no common sense (and I do truly believe she's simply not very bright), is sensing the idiocy coming from the man-child she married. Hence her insistence that she "speaks Kody". All that means is that she stops him from saying what he really feels, and tries to twist his narrative into something more favorable.

If even ROBYN knows that Kody is spewing bullshit, then there's no hope for him left. Except he will never realize it.

[endure]

It's truly beyond logic to understand Kody when he is such a raging narcissist plus throw in the other misogynist and religious beliefs he has.  I guess he just can't accept any of what he deems personal failure.  No doubt he never loved his OG wives like he loves Robyn, and they were never as needy, dependent or obedient as she is.  And even in the show we saw some of the issues he had with his wives especially Meri and Christine to a point.  But every marriage has some issues.  We have never really been privy to his life with Robyn, their door is closed off more the other families were.  The wives eventually walked away from the commitment they had, some more easily than others.  But he essentially drove them out and yet his ego just can't  handle or accept he played a major role, the same way he has to blame Christine for the issues he has with his children.  If he isn't revered, adored and needed he is nothing and will not accept any reality no matter how much he sees his part played over and over again even on camera. It's always striking how happy and well Christine, Janelle and Meri look and behave since leaving and moving on.  It's in such sharp contrast to how Kody is living his miserable resentful life. 

[WhatAmIWatching]

Wow when they showed the Janelle wedding picture, I could've sworn that Robyn was standing there but it was Kody's mom! They resemble each other quite a lot, imo. 
 

Robyn can now pretend she was there from day one 😂 

[MsMalin]

Robyn intentionally asked dummy not to mention picking out the gown. He intentionally mentioned it knowing it would hurt the others.

He really did look like he loved all of the others in the beginning. I don't think that was fake. So now he is intentionally hurting them all.

God Robyn is out of control with the crying. She needs to be on antidepressants.

[endure]

35 minutes ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

Wow when they showed the Janelle wedding picture, I could've sworn that Robyn was standing there but it was Kody's mom! They resemble each other quite a lot, imo. 
 

Robyn can now pretend she was there from day one 😂 

Maybe she inserted her image in there, she does that!

[Andyourlittledog2]

Kody is a raging narcissist and has suffered narcissistic injury. He is so insecure that he cannot absorb even the smallest injury to his warped ego. And he is the epitome of 'you can't leave me! No one leaves me! I leave you!'  Except they did leave him and he will never ever accept it as okay. He doesn't want them, and their leaving solves a lot of relationship problems for him, but he cannot accept that they left him first. It really must be exhausting being in a relationship with him. And that whole thing with the wedding dress - he says he has a RIGHT to be involved with choosing the bride's dress because the wedding is about him. She is not a separate person with rights and privileges of her own - it's about him, always about him. Ugh.

I've thought they should just bring a fainting couch along with them wherever they go so Robyn will have somewhere to lay down whenever she has the vapors. She is a nineteenth century woman in a twenty-first century world. Whenever anything upsets her I can see her looking up, placing the back of her hand on her forehead and carefully 'falling' into the arms of someone nearby or gracefully onto her fainting couch while everyone fusses over her and a manly man orders her some tea with a little brandy in it.  Unfortunately for her we have moved forward from that time and all she can do is fake sob and declare that she is too fragile and delicate to experience such upset at the mere mention of just about anything. And sadly her daughters are being warped into delicate nineteenth century flowers under her wings. Do you think the girls will find some man wiling to put up with that crap? Or will they ever leave home at all?

Edited December 25, 2023 by Andyourlittledog2
typos

[endure]

11 minutes ago, Andyourlittledog2 said:

Kody is a raging narcisstic and has suffered narcissitic injury. He is so insecure that he cannot absorb even the smallest injury to his warped ego. And he is the epitome of 'you can't leave me! No one leaves me! I leave you!'  Except they did leave him and he will never ever accept it as okay. He doesn't want them, and their leaving solves a lot of relationship problems for him, but he cannot accept that they left him first. It really must be exhausting being in a relationship with him. And that whole thing with the wedding dress - he says he has a RIGHT to be involved with choosing the bride's dress because the wedding is about him. She is not a separate person with rights and privileges of her own - it's about him, always about him. Ugh.

I've thought they should just bring a fainting couch along with them wherever they go so Robyn will have somewhere to lay down whenever she has the vapors. She is a nineteenth century woman in a twenty-first century world. Whenever anything upsets her I can see her looking up, placing the back of her hand on her forehead and carefully 'falling' into the arms of someone nearby or gracefully onto her fainting couch while everyone fusses over her and a manly man orders her some tea with a little brandy in it.  Unfortunately for her we have moved forward from that time and all she can do is fake sob and declare that she is to fragile and delicate to experience such upset at the mere mention of just about anything. And sadly her daughters are being warped into delicate nineteenth century flowers under her wings. Do you think the girls will find some man wiling to put up with that crap? Or will they ever leave home at all?

 

[SemiCharmedLife]

3 hours ago, ragingpixie said:

 His love for Robyn has blinded him to his own assholery.

 

If we ever need a new title for Kootie's thread- this is perfect!!! 👏🏼👏🏼

[65mickey]

When Robyn first joined the family and for her early years with the Browns she had normal eyebrows. When did she get hold of the sharpie pen and draw on the eyebrows that she now has? 

[zamp33]

I personally think that this format is so much more interesting than the one on ones! I have been really enjoying it. 

Could Robyn be anymore dramatic at the sight of the commitment ceremony? 

[Fostersmom]

5 hours ago, MsMalin said:

God Robyn is out of control with the crying. She needs to be on antidepressants.

Will antidepressants help with fake crying though? 

[LotusFlower]

5 hours ago, MsMalin said:

He really did look like he loved all of the others in the beginning. I don't think that was fake. So now he is intentionally hurting them all.

I agree.  Meri nailed it when she said he’s now saying he never loved them only because it doesn’t fit his current narrative.  

[65mickey]

He is saying this to soothe his wounded ego. His wives left him and he says "I never loved them anyway." 

[Calibabydolly]

Will someone else please comment on the subliminal WINE RACK message behind Janelle in her home? While Christine needed a glass of wine before she could view the videos....Janelle needed 50 bottles, just in case! Was this a FU moment for the love bird couple or just a public service announcement for us viewers that she has completely moved on and is living her own life without Kody and all of his rules? 

[altopower]

33 minutes ago, Calibabydolly said:

Was this a FU moment for the love bird couple or just a public service announcement for us viewers that she has completely moved on and is living her own life without Kody and all of his rules? 

My guess is that it wasn't about the love bird couple at all. Janelle has moved on and is living her own life, and that includes plenty of wine. Works for me.

[islandgal140]

23 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

He loved his wives… but his marriages were all 16 years old or more.  He’d lost the in love feeling.   He fell in love with the new  wife because she was NEW and shiny. This was always going to end in divorce for the other three.   

 

23 hours ago, altopower said:

Yup. New and shiny and pretty.

 

I refuse to see a divorced woman, thousands of dollars in debt with 3 kids as new and shiny.  Robyn was refurbished, AT BEST.

And so as not to appear sexist, Kody is used factory seconds, with bald tires. NO refunds. 

[Gramto6]

55 minutes ago, Calibabydolly said:

Will someone else please comment on the subliminal WINE RACK message behind Janelle in her home? While Christine needed a glass of wine before she could view the videos....Janelle needed 50 bottles, just in case! Was this a FU moment for the love bird couple or just a public service announcement for us viewers that she has completely moved on and is living her own life without Kody and all of his rules? 

Also it is  possible she is stocking up for when all the kids and their spouses/girlfriends show up for holidays and visits. I imagine they put away a fair amount of wine at the Christmas gathering we saw photos of.

And sure, she may imbibe when she wants. No harm, no foul there by my book. If anyone deserves a glass when she wants, Janelle certainly does!

Edited December 26, 2023 by Gramto6

[OlderThanDirt]

From the clapperboard it looks like this was filmed at the end of October, 2023. That's almost current. Did someone say R&K are living somewhere other than Flagstaff. Maybe it was quoting Gwen?

[Chalby]

I just realized Kody embodies every cult-like religion with his words and actions. 

It's like if anyone disagrees with Kody or says anything's about disliking polygamy, then they are labeled subversive (just like Scientology and Mormon, etc)

The way he simmered in anger, and then went cold while Christine and the kids were talking about his lack of love for Christine, is similar to being confronted by the church and then ostracized and shunned.

He was so furious with MacKeltie for even 'agreeing' with Christine, you can tell he's already determined he's going to start to shun her. Just as a cult would banish and shun anyone if they said anything or agreed with anything against the church (or in Kody's situation, against him.)

Edited December 26, 2023 by Chalby

[SemiCharmedLife]

27 minutes ago, Chalby said:

He was so furious with MacKeltie for even 'agreeing' with Christine, you can tell he's already determined he's going to start to shun her. Just as a cult would banish and shun anyone if they said anything or agreed with anything against the church (or in Kody's situation, against him.)

Except Mykeltie is one of the few OG kids that still does a lot with K & R, so I think he'd want to keep her around.  

[endure]

8 hours ago, Andyourlittledog2 said:

Kody is a raging narcissist and has suffered narcissistic injury.

OMG such a perfect statement 👍👍

[Shelbie]

15 hours ago, Fostersmom said:

Will antidepressants help with fake crying though? 

They might if the antidepressants are as fake as her crying.

[Gramto6]

9 hours ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

Except Mykeltie is one of the few OG kids that still does a lot with K & R, so I think he'd want to keep her around.  

If Kootie is true to current form, Mykelti's "golden girl" status may soon change. If she champions Christine in any way, she is going to be on Kootie's hate list.

I think Mykelti is beginning to see the truth of the tale and recognizing that just maybe K&R are not totally truthful. She has to be seeing the good changes in Christine and how truly happy she is now vs the sad unhappy person she was. Especially as she sees the other OG moms also leaving she has to see it isn't "all Christine's fault". Time will tell where her loyalties really lie...and her reasons.

[Sandy W]

10 hours ago, Chalby said:

I just realized Kody embodies every cult-like religion with his words and actions. 

It's like if anyone disagrees with Kody or says anything's about disliking polygamy, then they are labeled subversive (just like Scientology and Mormon, etc)

The way he simmered in anger, and then went cold while Christine and the kids were talking about his lack of love for Christine, is similar to being confronted by the church and then ostracized and shunned.

He was so furious with MacKeltie for even 'agreeing' with Christine, you can tell he's already determined he's going to start to shun her. Just as a cult would banish and shun anyone if they said anything or agreed with anything against the church (or in Kody's situation, against him.)

He is motivated by the Kult of Kody.

[MsMalin]

Just remembered something new I learned: Robyn taught Kody how to scrunch his hair. And I assume they really like it that way because he commented on how bad the hair was in the past. I almost thought he looked cute in the flashbacks when he first met Robyn with the shorter straight hair.

And Robyn, its not just that she was thinner, but she was happy and smiling. Now she has that perpetual turned down frown and it it very unbecoming. Meanwhile, the 3 others are beaming and.happy.  In the.Friday episode she could not have looked more miserable.

The other thing, the other wives spoke very nicely of her in the past. She reminds me of my best friend who thought I hated her and nothing could be further from the truth.

In all fairness though, it must be hard when you are so hated in social media.  I think the biggest lesson here is "Be careful what you wish for". TV stardom was the worst thing to happen to the Browns.